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Posted: 7/21/2014 10:18:21 AM EDT
Does any one know what happens to our old service weapons after they are replaced by newer versions. Do they destroy them or sell them over seas. You would think the Government would make a killing by converting to Semi and selling them to the US public. I bet demand would exceed supply and the Government could make a dent in that 16 trillion debt they have.
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They are given away to US police agencies, or as foreign aid, or just destroy them (google "captain crunch"). A mix of all three.
If you think the government would sell surplus firearms to the public at this point you're delusional. Yes they could recover a lot of money for the taxpayers but they won't. ATF's regulatory interpretation doesn't allow something to be "converted to semi". |
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a lot of the lowers are still in use...hang out in the retro section you quite often see a lot of pics of NG guys using A2 uppers on A1 lowers for example (even some slabsides out there)
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Does any one know what happens to our old service weapons after they are replaced by newer versions. Do they destroy them or sell them over seas. You would think the Government would make a killing by converting to Semi and selling them to the US public. I bet demand would exceed supply and the Government could make a dent in that 16 trillion debt they have. View Quote they wont even sell us semi handguns, or rifles, or let us bring home semi, or bolt action weapons from wars.... and NOW, we cant buy military trucks anymore .... deuce and a halfs are to awful for us to own. they are blocking return m1 garands and m1 carbines. you really think they will convert m-4 carbines, or m16a1's to sell to the public? |
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I think you get two free when you buy an MRAP. If your department issues cargo pants, they throw in two more.
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View Quote Dude, you, uh, might want to put ***WARNING: GRAPHIC PHOTO*** in front of those Cap'N Crunch images. The horror... |
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I handled a brand new out of the box M16A1, no butt trap, with sling, and 2 twenty round mags.
I got the PMCS cartoon manual as a souvenir. |
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They are given away to US police agencies, or as foreign aid, or just destroy them (google "captain crunch"). A mix of all three. If you think the government would sell surplus firearms to the public at this point you're delusional. Yes they could recover a lot of money for the taxpayers but they won't. ATF's regulatory interpretation doesn't allow something to be "converted to semi". View Quote I've helped destroy them. We cut them with oxyacetalyne torches. Everything had to be cut. Barrel, carrier, lower, upper, etc. Small parts are either reused into bench stock/shopstock or they're rendered useless and shitcanned. One of the worst days of my life. Imagining that if you turned around and sold those parts into the economy sans lower and FCG, you could be making easily $500 apiece on what the government bought for about $100. Many of these M16A2's were new, unfired in original boxes and even had the little cardboard tube down the barrel. |
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I believe this administration gives them to any Muslim Terrorist, that needs one.
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I've seen pallets of M16's bound for shipment outside of the US. I also saw as new M14's being taken out of their protective wrap, represerved, and put back in to new wrap. This was in the late 90's.
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Quoted: I've helped destroy them. We cut them with oxyacetalyne torches. Everything had to be cut. Barrel, carrier, lower, upper, etc. Small parts are either reused into bench stock/shopstock or they're rendered useless and shitcanned. One of the worst days of my life. Imagining that if you turned around and sold those parts into the economy sans lower and FCG, you could be making easily $500 apiece on what the government bought for about $100. Many of these M16A2's were new, unfired in original boxes and even had the little cardboard tube down the barrel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: They are given away to US police agencies, or as foreign aid, or just destroy them (google "captain crunch"). A mix of all three. If you think the government would sell surplus firearms to the public at this point you're delusional. Yes they could recover a lot of money for the taxpayers but they won't. ATF's regulatory interpretation doesn't allow something to be "converted to semi". I've helped destroy them. We cut them with oxyacetalyne torches. Everything had to be cut. Barrel, carrier, lower, upper, etc. Small parts are either reused into bench stock/shopstock or they're rendered useless and shitcanned. One of the worst days of my life. Imagining that if you turned around and sold those parts into the economy sans lower and FCG, you could be making easily $500 apiece on what the government bought for about $100. Many of these M16A2's were new, unfired in original boxes and even had the little cardboard tube down the barrel. |
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Even if they stripped the lower, and cut it up, along with the LPK/FCG, could sell the rest of the parts and make some decent coin from them. None of the other parts are regulated. Gov't waste sure is a waste.
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Don't worry about them getting cut up, guys.
They're just service rifles. It's not like they're anything special, historical, or rare. On the chance there is something historical or rare, there are dozens of copies in museums all over the country. How many do we really need to keep? You can't keep everything. If we need more we'll just make more. The problem isn't that the government destroys them, or wastes money (the gov't wastes money on all sorts of shit anyhow). The problem is that you can't just take your money and go buy your own. |
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A few thoughts.
1) The CMP program does sell "surplus" rifles, but obviously not the M16 / M4 platform. The CMP charter in fact was to promote marksmanship and was formed when the government realized that in time of war, it needed civilians with basic marksmanship skills if and when they were drafted into military service. 2) The rifles sold by the CMP are only a small fraction of the actual quantity of M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, 1903 Springfield, etc. manufactured for use by the armed forces in a wartime situation, that were then rendered obsolete in peacetime by either draw downs or new weapons developments. 3) While there are likely a few thousand ARFCOMMers out there that would pay for the parts kits, I highly doubt there is a market for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of surplus parts "kits." Unlike the M1 Garand, there are a number of manufacturers currently mass producing milspec parts and complete rifles that are able to provide components to the civilian population. 4) It is political suicide for whoever signs up for authorizing the sale, even if just parts, of an "Assault Rifle" or "Assault Rifle Parts." out of government stock, even if it was done at a profit. |
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"It's like Christmas," said Kirkpatrick. "You open up a box and say 'I've never seen this before. What is this?'" SO LET'S DESTROY IT. :( |
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"It's like Christmas," said Kirkpatrick. "You open up a box and say 'I've never seen this before. What is this?'"
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A few thoughts. 1) The CMP program does sell "surplus" rifles, but obviously not the M16 / M4 platform. The CMP charter in fact was to promote marksmanship and was formed when the government realized that in time of war, it needed civilians with basic marksmanship skills if and when they were drafted into military service. 2) The rifles sold by the CMP are only a small fraction of the actual quantity of M1 Rifle, M1 Carbine, 1903 Springfield, etc. manufactured for use by the armed forces in a wartime situation, that were then rendered obsolete in peacetime by either draw downs or new weapons developments. 3) While there are likely a few thousand ARFCOMMers out there that would pay for the parts kits, I highly doubt there is a market for the hundreds of thousands, if not millions of surplus parts "kits." Unlike the M1 Garand, there are a number of manufacturers currently mass producing milspec parts and complete rifles that are able to provide components to the civilian population. 4) It is political suicide for whoever signs up for authorizing the sale, even if just parts, of an "Assault Rifle" or "Assault Rifle Parts." out of government stock, even if it was done at a profit. View Quote 5) It protects US companies and jobs. |
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View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes What is sorta fucked up is reading the statements of the crew that mans that machine. http://www.army.mil/article/64835/ Each of the employees, who all have an interest in guns, particularly enjoy seeing older weapons, or weapons they haven't dealt with before, come in.
"It's like Christmas," said Kirkpatrick. "You open up a box and say 'I've never seen this before. What is this?'" An interest in firearms, especially older ones...lol, yeah right, more like an interest in feeding shit into a shredder. I would bet that their interest lies not in guns but in DESTROYING guns. Beaten to it. |
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http://www.globaltimes.cn/Portals/0/attachment/2011/73c4fdf8-4953-4ba6-865d-4e8fd5f32f96.jpeg View Quote Why are they running over a bunch of airsoft guns? |
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They are given away to US police agencies, or as foreign aid, or just destroy them (google "captain crunch"). A mix of all three. If you think the government would sell surplus firearms to the public at this point you're delusional. Yes they could recover a lot of money for the taxpayers but they won't. ATF's regulatory interpretation doesn't allow something to be "converted to semi". View Quote They could legally sell the uppers couldn't they? Err, maybe not. I guess the 14.5 uppers might be an issue. |
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It is sad.
Several years ago a bunch of US Government M16A2 rifles that had been sent for use in Central America were sold and reimported into the US, had the lower cut up and the rest sold as kits. I picked a couple up for less than $300 each. A couple of stripped Bushmaster lowers and Model 1 FCG kits and they were good to go. The finish on the kits was well used, but the internals were like new, as were the bores. No way in the world that would happen today. |
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Writing this makes me feel old. In the early 90s I was issued a M16. It looked like an A1 manufactured by colt, but did not have A1 on it. Triangle guards every thing like an A1 just no stamp. Around 96 we turned in our rifles and they came back as A2s. The lower was the same except auto was milled off and replaced with burst, also the serial number was hit with xxxxxxx and a new number stamped underneith. All new parts and upper minus the lower. We still have those weapons today. I personally liked the A1 config better then the A2. Not just the auto, the A1 config just felt better for some reason. There are no plans to change the weapons out, I qual with mine every year and she shoots fine.
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My brother's police dept bought some. They converted them to semi auto. |
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Does any one know what happens to our old service weapons after they are replaced by newer versions. Do they destroy them or sell them over seas. You would think the Government would make a killing by converting to Semi and selling them to the US public. I bet demand would exceed supply and the Government could make a dent in that 16 trillion debt they have. View Quote No offense, OP, but you should really take some of the advice you've been getting & use your Google function for answers to some of these questions you've been asking in tech before they've become locked or moved to GD. Most of your questions are easily answered from Google Searching. Some questions are genuinely naive & ignorant of the subject matter, (NP no one is all knowing) but your short track record with this many easily obtainable answers to your questions is starting to get you raped. |
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They're free. And if the mil ever wants them back they'll have to return them to the condition they received them in. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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My brother's police dept bought received some on using the Gov't 1033 Program. They converted them to semi auto. They're free. And if the mil ever wants them back they'll have to return them to the condition they received them in. This is truth |
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Does any one know what happens to our old service weapons after they are replaced by newer versions. Do they destroy them or sell them over seas. You would think the Government would make a killing by converting to Semi and selling them to the US public. I bet demand would exceed supply and the Government could make a dent in that 16 trillion debt they have. View Quote They can't convert them to semi, because the gAyTF has their "once an MG always an MG" bullshit. I have a better idea.. Repeal Hughes, GCA, and NFA, and sell them to us through the CMP. Won't see that in my lifetime though. |
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I imagine the same thing they do with most of the humvees.
Shred em. |
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5) It protects US companies and jobs. View Quote That's all it is. We're still making M16s/M4s, so it really makes no difference when we cut up a worn out one. As a reservist who has needed to qualify on seriously beat-up shit (got expert anyhow, trololololol), I don't care if they chop a few of them up to get me a new-er-ish one. I do not care. Generally speaking, there's no historical value here. Yes, of course there are exceptions, and that's a shame. But it's not typical. The problem is that I can't just go to my local gun shop and buy an Anderson Mfg M16 receiver for $45 + $200 + $15 transfer or whatever. If you guys could buy $300 M16 receivers, you wouldn't be complaining either. Put the blame where it belongs, with congress, not the military. |
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