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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Genuinely curious as to why you would relate Jews to Nazis. If they are willing to commit genocide to achieve lasting peace... well then you'll have your answer. Having experienced it once before, I'd say they learned never to just "lay back" and take it ever again. I'm of the opinion let'em sort it out. When both sides get tired or one side eliminates the other it'll stop. |
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You never know what warhead was being used in insurgency? Anti-Personnel (which they had a lot of), old RPG-2 rounds, off axis so the jet isn't square against the armor? A standard armor piercing RPG round will penetrate a bradley. View Quote Forgive me going off topic, however it is armor related. Perhaps this should be in another thread. I know there are a variety of anti-armor warheads for the RPG, and other shoulder fired weapons. Some of which will even defeat Abram's armor. 1. How many different types are there? 2. How frequently are they encountered? (Do enemies in Afghanistan, Iraq or even Hamas have "a lot" of them or are they rare?) 3. Reactive armor is a solution for a MBT. Do the cages around a Stryker work? Are there other "low tech" and/or light weight options to defend against these threats? |
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Something about that pic of the three Killdozers brings a smile to the face.
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Reading is fundamental. No one asked for your opinion. They asked for pictures. http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2014/07/F140709YS20-e1404900229996.jpg View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Reading is fundamental. No one asked for your opinion. They asked for pictures. Israeli Armor photo thread- Operation Protective Edge http://cdn.timesofisrael.com/uploads/2014/07/F140709YS20-e1404900229996.jpg Just FWIW,the last time the Israelis used these in Gaza,the Brits complained since they're old Centurions. |
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Quoted: short answer? No. Bradley was designed to swim, not to take RPG hits. RPGs were taking out light armored tanks (AMX) in the 1960s and 1970s. The newer stuff is just more effective. You never know what warhead was being used in insurgency? Anti-Personnel (which they had a lot of), old RPG-2 rounds, off axis so the jet isn't square against the armor? A standard armor piercing RPG round will penetrate a bradley. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: I'm sure you know more about this than me, but could there be a difference in the rounds you're referring to? Are most RPG rounds a weaker kind of AP? Because I saw a MATV take multiple RPGs and minus one guy who needed a stretcher, everybody walked away. I don't want to get into too much detail on an open forum but I seem to remember from Mech leaders that the Brad is resistant to RPGs except one or two spots. short answer? No. Bradley was designed to swim, not to take RPG hits. RPGs were taking out light armored tanks (AMX) in the 1960s and 1970s. The newer stuff is just more effective. You never know what warhead was being used in insurgency? Anti-Personnel (which they had a lot of), old RPG-2 rounds, off axis so the jet isn't square against the armor? A standard armor piercing RPG round will penetrate a bradley. Top attack EFP warheads are a different ballgame entirely.
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The Merkeva may or may not be the best MBT, but in my opinion it's the best looking MBT. http://s28.postimg.org/r7o2nvb3h/F140718_HP31.jpg Abrams or go home. This has thicker top armor. And probably rear to? |
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You have to be insane to think that there is a "right" side in that war. At least we have some good real-world data of what happens when an Merkava tank shoots a DU slug into a preschool. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. You have to be insane to think that there is a "right" side in that war. At least we have some good real-world data of what happens when an Merkava tank shoots a DU slug into a preschool. BiAtch |
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Genuinely curious as to why you would relate Jews to Nazis. If they are willing to commit genocide to achieve lasting peace... well then you'll have your answer. I guess that clarification means that the Jews are supposed to be the "stone-age terrorist psychopaths," then. You're wrong in so many ways. |
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. You have to be insane to think that there is a "right" side in that war. At least we have some good real-world data of what happens when an Merkava tank shoots a DU slug into a preschool. Welcome to ignore |
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The Merkeva may or may not be the best MBT, but in my opinion it's the best looking MBT. http://s28.postimg.org/r7o2nvb3h/F140718_HP31.jpg Sorry, I disagree. Nothing looks as formidable as an Abrams. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/1d/T-90_Bhisma_cropped.jpg That thing is seriously the worst MBT ever created. It's basically a T-72 with some cool gadgets. There's a reason you always see Russian armor decked out in ERA. What armor? |
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Genuinely curious as to why you would relate Jews to Nazis. If they are willing to commit genocide to achieve lasting peace... well then you'll have your answer. Let me guess. Still haven't hit 30 and voted Paul. |
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These threads really bring out the finest people...... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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On ships. The way all our shit travels. We cube out before we gross out. So the weight doesn't matter. Or we could buy light shit the AF loves and then die when we get to the battlefield. See also: Strykers. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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I've never seen this thing before. Looks fucking amazing. 60t APC with a giant roomy interior and individual fold-up seats, all kinds of shelves & stowage. Driver, commander, and dismounts all in the same compartment with plenty of room to move around without crawling all over one another. http://i.imgur.com/8RGjcOj.jpg And just look at the fucking size of it: http://i.imgur.com/oOyFOO3.jpg After spending years stuck in the arse of a LAV the Namer looks like heaven. Oh, and check this tidbit from the Wiki: The US Army conducted non-developmental vehicle operational assessments of current combat vehicles in 2012 to evaluate capabilities against requirements for purchase of a new IFV for the Ground Combat Vehicle program. One of the vehicles validated was the Namer.[21] On 2 April 2013, the Congressional Budget Office released a report that advised purchasing current vehicles instead of developing a new vehicle for the GCV program. Buying the Namer would cost $9 billion less, and met the required nine-man carrying capacity.[22] The army responded by saying that although the Namer and other vehicles assessed in 2012 met some GCV requirements, no currently fielded vehicle met enough without needing significant redesign.[23] You guys could've had these things but instead you chose to spend billions more on god only knows what (and god only knows how many delays). How do you plan on transporting them quickly and in numbers across oceans? That's the downside. On ships. The way all our shit travels. We cube out before we gross out. So the weight doesn't matter. Or we could buy light shit the AF loves and then die when we get to the battlefield. See also: Strykers. Hey, if the Army or Marines want them and can reasonably convince me they will actually employ them, I'm fine with footing the bill. It is a kick ass vehicle. I would like it to be domestically produced, though. But the five sided funny farm has decided it doesn't want it. The only reasonable arguments that can be made against it, I have articulated. |
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That last picture. I never knew that the "wings" on the Merkavas turret were spaced armor. Cool. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
That last picture. I never knew that the "wings" on the Merkavas turret were spaced armor. Cool. Some ones going to be in a world of shit when someone find's out they didn't have the end plate on that. see the screw holes? |
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Quoted: Was that the preschool with the rockets in it, or the preschool they were building suicide belts in? I forget which. There really is a clear right and wrong in that fight, if you don't see it you just don't want to see it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. You have to be insane to think that there is a "right" side in that war. At least we have some good real-world data of what happens when an Merkava tank shoots a DU slug into a preschool. |
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http://i.imgur.com/LJ1wO3f.png I believe it was canceled. I believe it was based on a more modern Merkava chasis than the Namer. To be honest, it makes more sense for the Izzy's. Having to haul a 70 ton APC/IFV around would suck. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Now that they have a good amount of them, I'd like to hear how the Namers are doing. http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/middle_east/israel/light_armoured/namer/pictures1/Namer_APC_tracked_infantry%20armoured_vehicle_personnel_carrier_Israel_Israeli_Defense_Forces_Army_IDF_defence_industry_017.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/r1x8w9.jpg Scaring the shit out of everything it can actually get to... Just needs a 30mm Bushmaster or 40Mmm BAE turret on top... I present the Uber-Bradley... Now with 15,000% more armor. America has a few being testing for the GCV program, and I read they stuck a unmanned 30mm cannon on one. Can't find pictures of that, though. http://i.imgur.com/LJ1wO3f.png I believe it was canceled. I believe it was based on a more modern Merkava chasis than the Namer. To be honest, it makes more sense for the Izzy's. Having to haul a 70 ton APC/IFV around would suck. I wouldn't worry about the hauling- since they're more or less completely surrounded by the enemy, and their country is so small- they don't have to travel far. ETA for speed-typing mistake. |
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The Merkeva may or may not be the best MBT, but in my opinion it's the best looking MBT. http://s28.postimg.org/r7o2nvb3h/F140718_HP31.jpg Abrams or go home. This has thicker top armor. And probably rear to? yup, top armor on the Merk 4 is in the 10-12" range while on the Abrams its under 2". hopefully the US will never fight someone that has modern top-attack ATGMs where the Abrams comes out ahead is in the turret front area that has the DU armor layer Didn't two Merkevas get knocked out in Lebanon in 2006 with Russian AT-14 missiles? |
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I wouldn't about the hauling- since they're more or less completely surrounded by the enemy, and their country is so small- they don't have to travel far. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Now that they have a good amount of them, I'd like to hear how the Namers are doing. http://www.armyrecognition.com/images/stories/middle_east/israel/light_armoured/namer/pictures1/Namer_APC_tracked_infantry%20armoured_vehicle_personnel_carrier_Israel_Israeli_Defense_Forces_Army_IDF_defence_industry_017.jpg http://i62.tinypic.com/r1x8w9.jpg Scaring the shit out of everything it can actually get to... Just needs a 30mm Bushmaster or 40Mmm BAE turret on top... I present the Uber-Bradley... Now with 15,000% more armor. America has a few being testing for the GCV program, and I read they stuck a unmanned 30mm cannon on one. Can't find pictures of that, though. http://i.imgur.com/LJ1wO3f.png I believe it was canceled. I believe it was based on a more modern Merkava chasis than the Namer. To be honest, it makes more sense for the Izzy's. Having to haul a 70 ton APC/IFV around would suck. I wouldn't about the hauling- since they're more or less completely surrounded by the enemy, and their country is so small- they don't have to travel far. That was the point. The Israelis don't really need to transport them. We would. |
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The Merkeva may or may not be the best MBT, but in my opinion it's the best looking MBT. http://s28.postimg.org/r7o2nvb3h/F140718_HP31.jpg Abrams or go home. This has thicker top armor. And probably rear to? yup, top armor on the Merk 4 is in the 10-12" range while on the Abrams its under 2". hopefully the US will never fight someone that has modern top-attack ATGMs where the Abrams comes out ahead is in the turret front area that has the DU armor layer Didn't two Merkevas get knocked out in Lebanon in 2006 with Russian AT-14 missiles? More than that. 40-something took hits. About half had significant penetrations and damage. A single digit number (2? 4? I cannot recall) were damaged beyond repair/catastrophic losses. Despite this, casualties among buttoned-up tankers were very light. Single-digit KIAs if I recall. Most of the WIA were fairly minor. There were some seriously injured tankers though, which isn't surprising. |
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View Quote Don't forget, Merks have the engine compartment up front, so that space functions as a big standoff to protect against the really big stuff. There's more armor between the engine compartment and the crew compartment I believe. The big side armor add-ons on the turret are also visible since one section is removed in those photos which lets you see how thick those parts are. |
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Don't forget, Merks have the engine compartment up front, so that space functions as a big standoff to protect against the really big stuff. There's more armor between the engine compartment and the crew compartment I believe. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Don't forget, Merks have the engine compartment up front, so that space functions as a big standoff to protect against the really big stuff. There's more armor between the engine compartment and the crew compartment I believe. The unusual engine-foward arrangement of the Merkava is also why she makes a good IFV/APC conversion. Couldn't really do the same thing with an Abrams... Not practically. |
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Genuinely curious as to why you would relate Jews to Nazis. If they are willing to commit genocide to achieve lasting peace... well then you'll have your answer. Tell me how many Japanese civilians we killed in Japan with nukes in WW2 and in Germany when we firebombed pretty much everything oh highest of morality? |
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Genuinely curious as to why you would relate Jews to Nazis. If they are willing to commit genocide to achieve lasting peace... well then you'll have your answer. Tell me how many Japanese civilians we killed in Japan with nukes in WW2 and in Germany when we firebombed pretty much everything oh highest of morality? Engaging civilian targets, primarily production facilities, in an effort to both interrupt production of war materials AND demoralize the populace and government to the point of giving up to end the war, is not the same as trying to annihilate a group of people because they don't share your religious beliefs. |
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Engaging civilian targets, primarily production facilities, in an effort to both interrupt production of war materials AND demoralize the populace and government to the point of giving up to end the war, is not the same as trying to annihilate a group of people because they don't share your religious beliefs. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Genuinely curious as to why you would relate Jews to Nazis. If they are willing to commit genocide to achieve lasting peace... well then you'll have your answer. Tell me how many Japanese civilians we killed in Japan with nukes in WW2 and in Germany when we firebombed pretty much everything oh highest of morality? Engaging civilian targets, primarily production facilities, in an effort to both interrupt production of war materials AND demoralize the populace and government to the point of giving up to end the war, is not the same as trying to annihilate a group of people because they don't share your religious beliefs. You're asserting Israel is leading the ground war because Hamas aren't Jews!? That's an infinite stretch. Show me the evidence. Obviously they CAN'T be defending themselves from the thousands of rockets that have been launched at them from Hamas. That wouldn't make sense. Did you attend UC Berkley? |
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. Genuinely curious as to why you would relate Jews to Nazis. If they are willing to commit genocide to achieve lasting peace... well then you'll have your answer. Tell me how many Japanese civilians we killed in Japan with nukes in WW2 and in Germany when we firebombed pretty much everything oh highest of morality? Engaging civilian targets, primarily production facilities, in an effort to both interrupt production of war materials AND demoralize the populace and government to the point of giving up to end the war, is not the same as trying to annihilate a group of people because they don't share your religious beliefs. So you're saying that that's what Israel is doing? |
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Don't want a DU slug in your preschool? Then don't store your munitions in the preschool. You realize Hamas deliberately intertwined their resources within the civilian community such that when the unfortunate but inevitable civilian collateral casualties occur it stirs up self righteous indignation among those lacking critical thinking the world over? I have never seen any proof of Isreal targeting a civilian location for the sole purpose of causing civilian casualties. Can't say the same for their opposition however. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Stone-age terrorist psychopaths vs 21st century Nazi thugs. I really don't give a shit who will win. You have to be insane to think that there is a "right" side in that war. At least we have some good real-world data of what happens when an Merkava tank shoots a DU slug into a preschool. Don't want a DU slug in your preschool? Then don't store your munitions in the preschool. You realize Hamas deliberately intertwined their resources within the civilian community such that when the unfortunate but inevitable civilian collateral casualties occur it stirs up self righteous indignation among those lacking critical thinking the world over? I have never seen any proof of Isreal targeting a civilian location for the sole purpose of causing civilian casualties. Can't say the same for their opposition however. A DU sabot would just rip through and keep going. If it didn't hit the kid the kid would probably be OK. Depleted Uranium sounds way scarier than High Explosive Anti-Tank. |
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