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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:48:36 AM EDT
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If he wouldn't have started resisting it wouldn't have went that far. I'm curious as to what the autopsy reviles. I'm guessing being grossly over weight is the issue.,
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:50:34 AM EDT
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He killed himself.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:52:15 AM EDT
[#3]
In.
But at least that's one less person selling smokes for less than $15/pack. The nerve of people.  |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:59:01 AM EDT
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I've watched almost every episode of COPS so I've learned that if you can say "I can't breathe" you can breathe.
Also if you have any health problems don't resist and fight with the police. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:04:32 AM EDT
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Stories like this, and the kid who got shot with the game controller....
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He killed himself. - Charges = 
Class dismissed. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:04:45 AM EDT
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Back up!
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:15:30 AM EDT
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I'd be interested to know exactly what they were attempting to take him in to custody for. The selling cigarettes sounds weird, but then again I don't live in NYC so that may be normal.
Either way, that was a big boy. He had quite a bit of fight in him when it first started and he was acting belligerent before LE even attempted to go hands on. He proceeded to put up a struggle even with 4 or 5 officers attempting to get him to the ground. If you know you have health issues, don't fight the Police. As a matter of fact, I think "don't fight the Police" is a pretty good strategy in any situation, healthy or not. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:15:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYeah, as soon as they realized the bad PR wagon was on its way... Back up! Back up! Back up! 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:24:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stories like this, and the kid who got shot with the game controller.... + Replies like this ? - Charges = http://l.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/nOp4Zxb1QQbC2hvVfJGapA--/dz02NDA7Zmk9ZmlsbDtweW9mZj0wO2g9MzYwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-07-15/0d4a9410-0c17-11e4-9072-f73053493c59_076758c979e2e41b590f6a7067001ca6.jpg Class dismissed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Stories like this, and the kid who got shot with the game controller.... + Replies like this ? Quoted: He killed himself. - Charges = http://l.yimg.com/uu/api/res/1.2/nOp4Zxb1QQbC2hvVfJGapA--/dz02NDA7Zmk9ZmlsbDtweW9mZj0wO2g9MzYwO2FwcGlkPXl0YWNoeW9u/http://l.yimg.com/os/publish-images/news/2014-07-15/0d4a9410-0c17-11e4-9072-f73053493c59_076758c979e2e41b590f6a7067001ca6.jpg Class dismissed. He may not have agreed with what the cops wanted to arrest him for but he would have gotten his day in court. All he had to do was put his hands behind his back and get charged with whatever they had on him. Failing his arms around and refusing to be put in cuffs was not the right life choice for him. Obviously the cops don't carry Tasers or his butt would have gotten lit up. Also I wouldn't have used the arm around the neck as a method to subdue him. Wether the cop was choking him or not it looks really bad and will result in a substantial payout to his family. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:26:25 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd be interested to know exactly what they were attempting to take him in to custody for. The selling cigarettes sounds weird, but then again I don't live in NYC so that may be normal. Either way, that was a big boy. He had quite a bit of fight in him when it first started and he was acting belligerent before LE even attempted to go hands on. He proceeded to put up a struggle even with 4 or 5 officers attempting to get him to the ground. If you know you have health issues, don't fight the Police. As a matter of fact, I think "don't fight the Police" is a pretty good strategy in any situation, healthy or not. Yeah the minimum by law is like 10-something. I get mine in Jersey when I got to EWR. I don't know what the penalty is for selling out-of-state untaxed smokes, but it couldn't be too harsh. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:30:55 AM EDT
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So much for the old "there's never a cop around when you need one" thing, huh? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:31:37 AM EDT
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Well, Extorris must be getting his 15 minutes of sleep to not be the OP.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:32:26 AM EDT
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:33:49 AM EDT
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. Exactly. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:45:11 AM EDT
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I didn't see the slamming part.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:53:33 AM EDT
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I guess he learned a valuable lesson . It appears he was a slow learner since he has been arrested before
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:01:14 AM EDT
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As a matter of fact, I think "don't fight the Police" is a pretty good strategy in any situation, healthy or not. Comply or die! It's the mantra for transformed America. Now pick up that can. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:09:30 AM EDT
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Comply or die! It's the mantra for transformed America. Now pick up that can. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a matter of fact, I think "don't fight the Police" is a pretty good strategy in any situation, healthy or not. Comply or die! It's the mantra for transformed America. Now pick up that can. Transformed America? No, it's always been like this. The police have NEVER been the judge or jury, arguing and fighting with them to get out of an arrest has never been the right course of action. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:12:28 AM EDT
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"I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe."
The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:12:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd be interested to know exactly what they were attempting to take him in to custody for. The selling cigarettes sounds weird, but then again I don't live in NYC so that may be normal. Either way, that was a big boy. He had quite a bit of fight in him when it first started and he was acting belligerent before LE even attempted to go hands on. He proceeded to put up a struggle even with 4 or 5 officers attempting to get him to the ground. If you know you have health issues, don't fight the Police. As a matter of fact, I think "don't fight the Police" is a pretty good strategy in any situation, healthy or not. Bootlegged cigarettes is pretty big in NYC and even NY due to the extremely high taxes. A pack of cigarettes in NY go for ten bucks while in NYC they go for 15 bucks. There is a lot of money to be made buying them down south for 3-4 bucks a pack and then selling them for close to full price to bodegas who sell them at regular cost. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:35:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. Obviously he could breath, maybe not to the level he was used to, but he could do it. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 7:50:17 AM EDT
[#22]
selling untaxed cigarettes.... FFS I am glad those officers went home safe and the streets of New York are much safer.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:06:32 AM EDT
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Cop acted way outside of policy. Choke holds have been a no-no on the NYPD since the Anthony Baez case.
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Well, Extorris must be getting his 15 minutes of sleep to not be the OP. You really think I'd be awake at 5:30am? 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:07:52 AM EDT
[#24]
death for selling untaxed cigs.
seams fair. The cop will get a vacation, then a promotion. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:09:42 AM EDT
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I've watched almost every episode of COPS so I've learned that if you can say "I can't breathe" you can breathe. Also if you have any health problems don't resist and fight with the police. That still doesn not excue police. A jury of peers should always make the determination if it was warranted. At least a grand jury. Not another cop, not a DA. Peers should decide. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:11:10 AM EDT
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Exactly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. Exactly. death for resisting seems fair. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:12:54 AM EDT
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The cop will get a vacation, then a promotion. Really? The last cop from that department who did the same thing got 7 and 1/2 years in federal prison. ETA: You can't be promoted from cop to Sgt. on NYPD without passing a civil service exam.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:17:25 AM EDT
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Hope all of those assholes feel better now.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:17:56 AM EDT
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So much for the old "there's never a cop around when you need one" thing, huh? We are all safer now that the untaxed cigarettes are off the street. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:18:23 AM EDT
[#30]
Murder
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:20:21 AM EDT
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The inability to breath also prevents you from talking. Obviously he could breath, maybe not to the level he was used to, but he could do it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. Obviously he could breath, maybe not to the level he was used to, but he could do it. A choke hold can cut off breathing, or blood flow. Either way, if you are choking someone, you are actively trying to kill them, resistance is natural. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:22:11 AM EDT
[#32]
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That still doesn not excue police. A jury of peers should always make the determination if it was warranted. At least a grand jury. Not another cop, not a DA. Peers should decide. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I've watched almost every episode of COPS so I've learned that if you can say "I can't breathe" you can breathe. Also if you have any health problems don't resist and fight with the police. That still doesn not excue police. A jury of peers should always make the determination if it was warranted. At least a grand jury. Not another cop, not a DA. Peers should decide. Jury of peers should decide what? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:25:25 AM EDT
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death for resisting seems fair. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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For the life of me I can't understand why you would ever resist arrest. No cop has EVER said "Well he doesn't want to be arrested so let's let him go".
Resisting is ALWAYS going to make it worse on YOU. You are going to get hurt and get more charges. If cops want to arrest you, you WILL be arrested. Your only option is to fight it in court or possibly at the police station afterwards while having a calm conversation. Exactly. death for resisting seems fair. Fairness doesn't have anything to do with it. Depending on how far you go in resisting, the worst outcome for you could be death. As already pointed out, the choke hold was a no-go. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:42:18 AM EDT
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I'm going with poor health killed him.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:43:19 AM EDT
[#35]
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I'm going with poor health killed him. Probably from smoking his supply of untaxed cigarettes. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:51:12 AM EDT
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I'm going with poor health killed him. Yeah, he should have been in better shape to withstand that. He probably would have fell over and died at the exact same time and day without his encounter with police.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:52:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
Cop acted way outside of policy. Choke holds have been a no-no on the NYPD since the Anthony Baez case. You really think I'd be awake at 5:30am? Quote HistoryQuoted:
Cop acted way outside of policy. Choke holds have been a no-no on the NYPD since the Anthony Baez case. Quoted:
Well, Extorris must be getting his 15 minutes of sleep to not be the OP. You really think I'd be awake at 5:30am? Well, you might have still been up.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:53:45 AM EDT
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Transformed America? No, it's always been like this. The police have NEVER been the judge or jury, arguing and fighting with them to get out of an arrest has never been the right course of action. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As a matter of fact, I think "don't fight the Police" is a pretty good strategy in any situation, healthy or not. Comply or die! It's the mantra for transformed America. Now pick up that can. Transformed America? No, it's always been like this. The police have NEVER been the judge or jury, arguing and fighting with them to get out of an arrest has never been the right course of action. That's why we're all loyal subjects of the Queen, right? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:54:15 AM EDT
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"I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. If you are speaking, you are breathing. That is why if you see someone apparently choking you ask them questions, if they respond you do not perform the Heimlich maneuver on them. If they cannot respond, they are indeed choking & not breathing...and in need of assistance. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:54:34 AM EDT
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At least they didn't chokehold and slam any bystanders.
__________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:55:05 AM EDT
[#41]
Just another day in the big apple.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:56:30 AM EDT
[#42]
I'm glad the harmful untaxed cigarettes are off the street along with the untaxed cigarette pusher!!
But did the cops make it home safely? That's what I want to know. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:58:04 AM EDT
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Just another day in the big apple. yep |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:00:37 AM EDT
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I'm glad the harmful untaxed cigarettes are off the street along with the untaxed cigarette pusher!! But did the cops make it home safely? That's what I want to know. According to the middle of the road and unbiased article that was linked in the OP, it seems they did. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:01:07 AM EDT
[#45]
Guy looked like the picture of good health.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:05:45 AM EDT
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My favorite part of the "article"
New York City police officers killed a man Thursday after he had broken up a fight between two other men, insisting on placing him in a chokehold and slamming his head to the pavement, piling on top of him as he gasped for air and as he continually told the cops he couldn’t breathe. "Sir, we must insist that we place you in a choke hold and slam your head on the pavement. Kindly cease your resisting so we can do this. Really, we insist." |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:07:37 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:
If you are speaking, you are breathing. That is why if you see someone apparently choking you ask them questions, if they respond you do not perform the Heimlich maneuver on them. If they cannot respond, they are indeed choking & not breathing...and in need of assistance. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"I can't breathe, I can't breathe, I can't breathe." The most mportant function of life was deprived of him, that's what killed him. The cops were probably unaware that he needed that to live. If you are speaking, you are breathing. That is why if you see someone apparently choking you ask them questions, if they respond you do not perform the Heimlich maneuver on them. If they cannot respond, they are indeed choking & not breathing...and in need of assistance. Maybe he was saying "I can't breathe!" because he started having a heart attack, and "I can't breathe!" is a fairly decent description of what a heart attack can feel like? Dude looks like he was overdue for a heart attack, but they should have been able to get him to an ER on time, if they weren't more concerned about untaxed cigarettes. __________________________________________________________________ Cross-platform electronic bound book (original thread). PGP public key. «nolite confidere in principibus, in filiis hominum quibus non est salus» |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:10:38 AM EDT
[#48]
damn
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:11:38 AM EDT
[#49]
These things have an amazing tendency to not happen to people who don't resist arrest, and don't fight with the cops.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:16:18 AM EDT
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They couldn't have written him a citation for selling cigarettes and called it a day? To me that's like arresting someone for not wearing a seat belt.
I agree that people who are really choking cannot say they are choking. I actually thought he went down pretty easy. He definitely could have been held down and cuffed without that many people crushing him. Obviously flailing your arms around and resisting arrest aren't a good idea but the way police seem to handle arrests these days by having 4 or 5 people kneel on a person is ridiculous. His family will get either a 7 figure judgement or 6 figure settlement to go away.... From a purely economic stand point not even thinking about whether this man was at fault or not the police made an absolutely fucking stupid move and the tax payers will suffer for it. |
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