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The government believes it was the Russians, but they don't yet have solid proof. Why is that hard to grasp? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well, I guess that I was wrong. Russia had nothing to do with this. Zip. I am sorry and I apologize. The government believes it was the Russians, but they don't yet have solid proof. Why is that hard to grasp? Statements from the Kenyan and Lurch today notwithstanding. |
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Update for 23 july 2014:
First Royal Netherlands Airforce C-130 has taken off from Charkov with a number of remains. They will arrive here in a couple of hours. An Australian Air Force C-17 will also join the transport from Charkov. All the bodies will be brought to Eindhoven Airport/Airbase in the Netherlands. From there they will be transported to a military base in Hilversum where forensic experts will conduct DNA-analysis to indentify the victims. The Ukrainians held a honourable salut to the victims on the airport of Charkov just before the first departure. The highway between Eindhoven and Hilversum will be shut off temporarily to let the transport get there unhindered. Today has been declared a day of national grieve. Flags are flying halfway, music on the radio is also adjusted. |
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We join the Netherlands in grief.
We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn.
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote Aussie, we do care. |
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Quoted: We join the Netherlands in grief. View Quote We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. Didn't we [America] have one on board?
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I wouldn't take the views of a few as the majority. There are a couple Russians and Russophiles who want to deflect responsibility and minimize what has happened while a couple sad men with terminal cases of Obama derangement rejoice in anything that makes the US government embarrassed and appear weaker.
The majority of civilized people stand with those who are grieving. |
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The government believes it was the Russians, but they don't yet have solid proof. Why is that hard to grasp? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Well, I guess that I was wrong. Russia had nothing to do with this. Zip. I am sorry and I apologize. The government believes it was the Russians, but they don't yet have solid proof. Why is that hard to grasp? Because you keep saying "the government believes". It would be MUCH more credible if you correctly said "our military believes". |
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Your wife. You have a theory that she's having sex with Putin. She stays out all night, and immediately takes a shower when she comes home. You have texts, tweets and Facebook posts between them, where they talk about having sex. You have seen her coming out of Putin's apartment after being out all night. You have found used condoms filled with Putin DNA in your bedside waste basket. NONE of that is proof that Putin is having sex with your wife. But you know damned well that Putin is having sex with your wife. That's the level of proof we have that Russians are directly involved in shooting down MH17. |
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Imagine for a moment.... Your wife. You have a theory that she's having sex with Putin. She stays out all night, and immediately takes a shower when she comes home. You have texts, tweets and Facebook posts between them, where they talk about having sex. You have seen her coming out of Putin's apartment after being out all night. You have found used condoms filled with Putin DNA in your bedside waste basket. NONE of that is proof that Putin is having sex with your wife. But you know damned well that Putin is having sex with your wife. That's the level of proof we have that Russians are directly involved in shooting down MH17. View Quote Good analogy. Yet people like Ron Paul still blame Bush. You just can't make this shit up. |
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Quoted: We join the Netherlands in grief. View Quote We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. Fuck Him
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Malaysia airlines continues to display sound judgement and decision making, they have learned their lessons about flying their aircraft over contentious airspace and no longer overfly the Ukraine.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10980588/MH17-Malaysia-Airlines-flies-over-Syria-instead-of-Ukraine.html |
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We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. I care.... when evil is committed and they are not held to answer for their crimes I care. I have a true hatred for Putin and his ilk. He is the same turd that ruined my Cuba. Fuck Him View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We join the Netherlands in grief. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. I care.... when evil is committed and they are not held to answer for their crimes I care. I have a true hatred for Putin and his ilk. He is the same turd that ruined my Cuba. Fuck Him He's a FUCKING THUG!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Breaking on Fox: two Ukrainian fighter air craft just reported shot down in eastern Ukraine.
Guess they still have anti air systems...... |
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Quoted: Breaking on Fox: two Ukrainian fighter air craft just reported shot down in eastern Ukraine. Guess they still have anti air systems...... View Quote |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. Aussie, we do care. Concur. I wish we had sent forces to secure the crash sight, then bombed the shit out of all the Russians/Separatists we could find. |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote Except for the American, Quinn Lucas Schansman, that died, thanks very much. |
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Quoted: Quoted: We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. Aussie, we do care. There are some here that don't, and have posted in this thread stating that belief. I differentiate between them, who are in the minority, and everyone else
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Living next to Volkel airbase, I heard a couple of F-16's take off just now. My guess is that they are escorting the C-130 that is about to arrive in Dutch airspace.
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote There are a few idiots who don't care. They don't speak for the rest of us. |
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We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. I care.... when evil is committed and they are not held to answer for their crimes I care. I have a true hatred for Putin and his ilk. He is the same turd that ruined my Cuba. Fuck Him View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We join the Netherlands in grief. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. I care.... when evil is committed and they are not held to answer for their crimes I care. I have a true hatred for Putin and his ilk. He is the same turd that ruined my Cuba. Fuck Him And they are not held to answer because Obama has weakened us tremendously. |
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Australian C-17 has just taken off from Charkov and is now on its way to the Netherlands.
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote you guys are superfriends for a reason... |
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I wouldn't take the views of a few as the majority. There are a couple Russians and Russophiles who want to deflect responsibility and minimize what has happened while a couple sad men with terminal cases of Obama derangement rejoice in anything that makes the US government embarrassed and appear weaker. The majority of civilized people stand with those who are grieving. View Quote accurate statement, unfortunately |
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So the Russians are claiming that it was a Ukrainian BUK, and ALSO a Ukrainian SU-25? Even though no Ukrainian BUKs were actually in range, and the SU-25 has a max ceiling that's thousands of feet below where the 777 was flying? I guess there are idiots who will buy it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Per Dr. Paul Craig Roberts, Asst. Sect. of the Treasury under Reagan, the fingers points to the Ukrainians. http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2014/07/21/guilt-insinuation-paul-craig-roberts/ The Russian government continues to release facts, including satellite photos showing the presence of Ukrainian Buk anti-aircraft missiles in locations from which the airliner could have been brought down by the missile system and documentation that a Ukrainian SU-25 fighter jet rapidly approached the Malaysian airliner prior to its downing. The head of the Operations Directorate of Russian military headquarters said at a Moscow press conference today (July 21) that the presence of the Ukrainian military jet is confirmed by the Rostov monitoring center.
The Russian Defense Ministry pointed out that at the moment of destruction of MH-17 an American satellite was flying over the area. The Russian government urges Washington to make available the photos and data captured by the satellite. President Putin has repeatedly stressed that the investigation of MH-17 requires “a fully representative group of experts to be working at the site under the guidance of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO).” Putin’s call for an independent expert examination by ICAO does not sound like a person with anything to hide. So the Russians are claiming that it was a Ukrainian BUK, and ALSO a Ukrainian SU-25? Even though no Ukrainian BUKs were actually in range, and the SU-25 has a max ceiling that's thousands of feet below where the 777 was flying? I guess there are idiots who will buy it. Man....that Air to Air missile from that SU-25 blew the whole front end of a 777 off? Even though the SU-25 is a Air to Ground fighter jet and couldn't reach it? Where is the AN-26 the Russian Goons claimed to shoot down on two different social media sites? Must be a stealth squadron of Ukrainians to slip into enemy territory with a huge, slow moving, lightly armored BUK system and get out just fine. Trolls will troll. |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote Ignore them....some members here also laugh at cops getting shot. They are eggs in the same basket. |
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Except for the American, Quinn Lucas Schansman, that died, thanks very much. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. Except for the American, Quinn Lucas Schansman, that died, thanks very much. He's talking about no one caring. Someone already stated about him being a "dual citizen under another passport...no fucks given" in this thread. |
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Malaysia airlines continues to display sound judgement and decision making, they have learned their lessons about flying their aircraft over contentious airspace and no longer overfly the Ukraine. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/10980588/MH17-Malaysia-Airlines-flies-over-Syria-instead-of-Ukraine.html View Quote I count no less than 12 commercial airliners from/to Europe that over Syria at the moment. With another two dozen looking like they are about to do the same. It's not just Malaysia Airlines. Just check out the flight path of KLM876 today! - Nevermind, it looks like they may be using estimated data at the moment: 482 knots, 32000 feet, and almost right over the MH17 crash site. |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote Hey brother...I, for one, give a damn. I am sorry that many of your fellow citizens were murdered and I'm even more sorry that our current elected leadership are too fucking spineless to do anything about it. I am honestly ashamed of my Nation's government right now. May God forgive them because I cannot find it in my heart to do so... |
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http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/reutersukrainejet_20140723_083342.jpg BREAKING NEWS: TWO UKRAINIAN Sukhoi 25 fighter jets, like the one pictured above, were shot down over eastern Ukraine View Quote You'd think they'd have access to Google. |
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http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/reutersukrainejet_20140723_083342.jpg BREAKING NEWS: TWO UKRAINIAN Sukhoi 25 fighter jets, like the one pictured above, were shot down over eastern Ukraine View Quote Oh, Fox News, bless your hearts. |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. Aussie, we do care. There are some here that don't, and have posted in this thread stating that belief. I differentiate between them, who are in the minority, and everyone else Being ignorant of Aussie sentiment and leadership...is anyone calling in Australia for their armed forces to do anything about the Russ....I mean Rebels in Ukraine? (of course after the "proof" is shown it was separatists) |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote WE CARE. Our president does not on the other hand. I want to see those fucking BUK systems razed with some US fighter jets luring them out for a game of hide and seek. |
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http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/reutersukrainejet_20140723_083342.jpg BREAKING NEWS: TWO UKRAINIAN Sukhoi 25 fighter jets, like the one pictured above, were shot down over eastern Ukraine Oh, Fox News, bless your hearts. 25..27...whatever it takes. |
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http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/reutersukrainejet_20140723_083342.jpg BREAKING NEWS: TWO UKRAINIAN Sukhoi 25 fighter jets, like the one pictured above, were shot down over eastern Ukraine View Quote By Ukrainian SU-25's? |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. View Quote Those that don't care are out of touch with reality. They're not worth getting worked up over. Like you said, they're only a few. Most of us do care. |
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http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/reutersukrainejet_20140723_083342.jpg BREAKING NEWS: TWO UKRAINIAN Sukhoi 25 fighter jets, like the one pictured above, were shot down over eastern Ukraine Oh, Fox News, bless your hearts. Fox News photo fuck up is bad enough. Some of those comments, full retard. |
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Maybe EU will step up.
Charles Hawley ?@charles_hawley 10m Wow, sharp words from German Foreign Ministry spokesperson: "#Russia has promised a lot and delivered nothing. We've had enough." #MH17 Maxim Eristavi ?@MaximEristavi 2m Whoa. Germany's Merkel via her spox calls for speedy EU sanctions against Russia |
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Government of Russia ?@GovernmentRF 33m
#Russia will use the #WTO to protect its interests - #Medvedev |
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http://a57.foxnews.com/www.foxnews.com/images/root_images/0/0/reutersukrainejet_20140723_083342.jpg BREAKING NEWS: TWO UKRAINIAN Sukhoi 25 fighter jets, like the one pictured above, were shot down over eastern Ukraine By Ukrainian SU-25's? Mother Russia will inform us they were shot down by another Ukrainian SU-25 or SAM. Mother Russia will say this is proof the Ukranians are reckless and also behind MH17. Obama will nod his head with that stupid grimace he does, and then head for the back nine. |
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http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782
Did you know Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam? Did you know that, for some darkly inexplicable reason, on July 17, MH17 moved off the standard flight path that it had taken every time before, and moved north, toward rebel-held areas outside Donetsk? Or that the dispatchers summoned the plane lower just before the crash? Or that the plane had been recently reinsured? Or that the Ukrainian army has air defense systems in the area? Or that it was the result of the Ukrainian military mistaking MH17 for Putin’s presidential plane, which looks strangely similar? Did you know that the crash of MH17 was all part of an American conspiracy to provoke a big war with Russia? Well, it’s all true—at least if you live in Russia, because this is the Malaysia Airlines crash story that you’d be seeing. |
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Maxim Eristavi ?@MaximEristavi 1m
#MH17: “We believe that Russia has played a decisive role in this crisis” - US amb. @GeoffPyatt to @BBCr4today |
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We join the Netherlands in grief. We have sent 2 of our best men to oversee our part of the investigation, and to get our people home. Its all over our tv and our government has constantly kept us all up to date. Some on this forum don't care because no Americans died. Well we cared when 9/11 happened and we have been in every major conflict with the USA for over 100 years so you better give a damn. Aussie, we do care. There are some here that don't, and have posted in this thread stating that belief. I differentiate between them, who are in the minority, and everyone else Fifty...For what it's worth, I care as well. True some here don't (along with our current resident in the WH,) but the vast majority of Americans *do* care. |
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http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782 Did you know Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam? Did you know that, for some darkly inexplicable reason, on July 17, MH17 moved off the standard flight path that it had taken every time before, and moved north, toward rebel-held areas outside Donetsk? Or that the dispatchers summoned the plane lower just before the crash? Or that the plane had been recently reinsured? Or that the Ukrainian army has air defense systems in the area? Or that it was the result of the Ukrainian military mistaking MH17 for Putin’s presidential plane, which looks strangely similar?Did you know that the crash of MH17 was all part of an American conspiracy to provoke a big war with Russia? Well, it’s all true—at least if you live in Russia, because this is the Malaysia Airlines crash story that you’d be seeing. View Quote I know lifenews.ru is viewed as a "legitimate" news source over there, but tvrain.ru and vesti.ru, are these their equivalent of infowars, or some crap like that? |
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http://youtu.be/1YGJe8Go9j4 That video sure looks like a MIG-29 to me. But Im guessing a SU-27. Flying in the heart of a AAA and manpad envelope. http://youtu.be/l9JeekgRxms?list=UUAZg55_KAkaKdJxqDd4JksA View Quote |
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http://www.newrepublic.com/node/118782 Did you know Malaysia Airlines Flight 17 was full of corpses when it took off from Amsterdam? Did you know that, for some darkly inexplicable reason, on July 17, MH17 moved off the standard flight path that it had taken every time before, and moved north, toward rebel-held areas outside Donetsk? Or that the dispatchers summoned the plane lower just before the crash? Or that the plane had been recently reinsured? Or that the Ukrainian army has air defense systems in the area? Or that it was the result of the Ukrainian military mistaking MH17 for Putin’s presidential plane, which looks strangely similar?Did you know that the crash of MH17 was all part of an American conspiracy to provoke a big war with Russia? Well, it’s all true—at least if you live in Russia, because this is the Malaysia Airlines crash story that you’d be seeing. View Quote They also told them we ate babies and were shown a picture of a Gerber Baby Food can...but that was like ages ago...30yrs I think. |
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Quoted: Christopher Miller ?@ChristopherJM 7m Someone get @AP a new headline writer ASAP. https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BtO9ZJ7IIAAZKtC.png View Quote |
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