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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:07:46 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I thought I got hosed paying $999 for my Vepr 12. After today, I'm not too upset about it  Don't feel bad I paid for $1100 for mine during one of the panics.  |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:11:24 PM EDT
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Damn and I'm still hoping someone will buy my Yugo OPAP and SKS collection in the EE.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:21:51 PM EDT
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Just putting it out there....AR's still cheap and plentiful.
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:29:38 PM EDT
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All of a sudden, my POS Romanian I picked up for $300 back in 08 that I never shoot, seems like a steal.  I bought mine in July of 2008 for $369. |
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Posted: 7/17/2014 10:31:35 PM EDT
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I bought mine in July of 2008 for $369. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All of a sudden, my POS Romanian I picked up for $300 back in 08 that I never shoot, seems like a steal. I bought mine in July of 2008 for $369. Kalashnikov made your Romanians? Or would that be Century Arms International out of Cugir Romania? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:13:56 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any chance a US maker of CORRECTLY PATTERNED AK Shotguns will show up? A direct copy (all parts interchange) of the Saiga or VEPR? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:41:24 AM EDT
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Any chance a US maker of CORRECTLY PATTERNED AK Shotguns will show up? A direct copy (all parts interchange) of the Saiga or VEPR? cai has the fury but i don't really know much about it |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 3:48:15 AM EDT
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Kalashnikov made your Romanians? Or would that be Century Arms International out of Cugir Romania? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All of a sudden, my POS Romanian I picked up for $300 back in 08 that I never shoot, seems like a steal. I bought mine in July of 2008 for $369. Kalashnikov made your Romanians? Or would that be Century Arms International out of Cugir Romania? Yeah, not sure why so many are posting about Yugos and Romanians in this thread. Both are unaffected by this and will continue to be imported. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:02:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: cai has the fury but i don't really know much about it Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Any chance a US maker of CORRECTLY PATTERNED AK Shotguns will show up? A direct copy (all parts interchange) of the Saiga or VEPR? cai has the fury but i don't really know much about it  |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:15:43 AM EDT
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Trashcan sales will suffer a sharp decline the next few weeks
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:17:26 AM EDT
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Does this even affect VEPRs?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:23:32 AM EDT
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Trashcan sales will suffer a sharp decline the next few weeks No kidding. I understand the basis of why everyone is upset, but this whole thing has exactly zero affect on my firearm purchasing plans. I never planned on owning one of these things anyway. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 4:46:09 AM EDT
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makes me happy I got my arsenal a few years ago
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:17:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Does this even affect VEPRs? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Edit: http://rostec.ru/en/about/company/165 The sanction says "any company in which Kalashnikov has an interest", so I would say yes, VEPRS are affected. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:30:04 AM EDT
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LOL. While I normally share your sentiment about buying US made products, the issue is this administration's underhanded attempt at ass-fucking gun owners which just-so-happens to spill poopy corn-laden semen all over American manufacturers in the process. And fuck freedom right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fine with me. Buy American! LOL. While I normally share your sentiment about buying US made products, the issue is this administration's underhanded attempt at ass-fucking gun owners which just-so-happens to spill poopy corn-laden semen all over American manufacturers in the process. And fuck freedom right? You win the "Quote of the Day" award.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 5:31:27 AM EDT
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I'm not an AK person but I will not line Russian pockets. Ever.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:35:26 AM EDT
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Good news I got my VEPR 12 from a great shop with a good price at $750.. bad news, I may need to buy mags at "neck beard" prices
Thank you to ncthorn1623 for posting the news! |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:40:13 AM EDT
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I see everyone bidding on all the Vepr 12's on gunbroker. All going over $1k+.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:48:55 AM EDT
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I see everyone bidding on all the Vepr 12's on gunbroker. All going over $1k+. Which is funny because the SGL AK-74 rifles are just sitting there with little or no bids, at the same price they were last week... 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:56:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Which is funny because the SGL AK-74 rifles are just sitting there with little or no bids, at the same price they were last week... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I see everyone bidding on all the Vepr 12's on gunbroker. All going over $1k+. Which is funny because the SGL AK-74 rifles are just sitting there with little or no bids, at the same price they were last week... Maybe the 5.45 ammo is scaring folks off. I've had my SGL-31 for years now, it's been a great rifle. I'm now regretting not picking up an SGL-21 when I had the chance.. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:59:06 AM EDT
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Yeah, not sure why so many are posting about Yugos and Romanians in this thread. Both are unaffected by this and will continue to be imported. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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All of a sudden, my POS Romanian I picked up for $300 back in 08 that I never shoot, seems like a steal. I bought mine in July of 2008 for $369. Kalashnikov made your Romanians? Or would that be Century Arms International out of Cugir Romania? Yeah, not sure why so many are posting about Yugos and Romanians in this thread. Both are unaffected by this and will continue to be imported. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Lol some people need to chill out - I never had any interest in a Kalashnikov concern rifle (or can ever remember seeing one in a store)... Plenty of companies fill the gap for alot less |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:04:34 AM EDT
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Maybe the 5.45 ammo is scaring folks off. I've had my SGL-31 for years now, it's been a great rifle. I'm now regretting not picking up an SGL-21 when I had the chance.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see everyone bidding on all the Vepr 12's on gunbroker. All going over $1k+. Which is funny because the SGL AK-74 rifles are just sitting there with little or no bids, at the same price they were last week... Maybe the 5.45 ammo is scaring folks off. I've had my SGL-31 for years now, it's been a great rifle. I'm now regretting not picking up an SGL-21 when I had the chance.. I'll sell my Siaga 12 and Vepr 12 at some point, but I won't ever sell my SGL-31. Just not that much utility or fun in the shotguns. They end up collecting dust in the safe. Also, never assume a collective understanding or intelligence in the panic herd. (the smart money isn't buying after the fact) |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:43:17 AM EDT
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I'm debating selling my sgl-21. It's a nice rifle, but if people are willing to spend double what I paid for it just to have a russian made rifle, I can buy a Bulgarian arsenal for a lot less and have enough left over to buy a crate of ammo.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:18:39 AM EDT
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Good news I got my VEPR 12 from a great shop with a good price at $750.. bad news, I may need to buy mags at "neck beard" prices
Thank you to ncthorn1623 for posting the news! lol, get ready to be raped. Enter this item # into ebay search for one Vepr 12 Molot mag 121383248025 this is not my auction btw I have 13 of these, should i sell?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:23:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Damn and I'm still hoping someone will buy my Yugo OPAP and SKS collection in the EE. Its to soon, but if its unfired & still have the box & tag put it on GB in 30days. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 11:42:37 AM EDT
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LOL. While I normally share your sentiment about buying US made products, the issue is this administration's underhanded attempt at ass-fucking gun owners which just-so-happens to spill poopy corn-laden semen all over American manufacturers in the process. And fuck freedom right? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fine with me. Buy American! LOL. While I normally share your sentiment about buying US made products, the issue is this administration's underhanded attempt at ass-fucking gun owners which just-so-happens to spill poopy corn-laden semen all over American manufacturers in the process. And fuck freedom right? What would prevent a US Company from making AKs? Is there some kind of international patent on it? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 12:12:13 PM EDT
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What would prevent a US Company from making AKs? Is there some kind of international patent on it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fine with me. Buy American! LOL. While I normally share your sentiment about buying US made products, the issue is this administration's underhanded attempt at ass-fucking gun owners which just-so-happens to spill poopy corn-laden semen all over American manufacturers in the process. And fuck freedom right? What would prevent a US Company from making AKs? Is there some kind of international patent on it? I doubt it, I would think it'd be public domain by now as the design is damn near 70 years old. But as Miami_JBT pointed out a couple pages back, it almost certainly would be more expensive due to the manufacturing process and reduced competition from imports. And from my admittedly limited knowledge of AK's, it seems like a fair amount of US made AK products aren't as highly regarded as the imported stuff. Magazines being one example. Link to Miami_JBT's post |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:28:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol, get ready to be raped. Enter this item # into ebay search for one Vepr 12 Molot mag 121383248025 this is not my auction btw I have 13 of these, should i sell? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Good news I got my VEPR 12 from a great shop with a good price at $750.. bad news, I may need to buy mags at "neck beard" prices Thank you to ncthorn1623 for posting the news! lol, get ready to be raped. Enter this item # into ebay search for one Vepr 12 Molot mag 121383248025 this is not my auction btw I have 13 of these, should i sell? 13!? You Douche!... sell me one? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:32:45 PM EDT
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Fine with me. Buy American! LOL. While I normally share your sentiment about buying US made products, the issue is this administration's underhanded attempt at ass-fucking gun owners which just-so-happens to spill poopy corn-laden semen all over American manufacturers in the process. And fuck freedom right? What would prevent a US Company from making AKs? Economics and manufacturing processes. Is there some kind of international patent on it?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 6:33:02 PM EDT
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Since NIB SGL-21's are out of my price range, I may settle for the "American Made" C39 instead.. thoughts?
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:35:48 PM EDT
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13!? You Douche!... sell me one?
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Good news I got my VEPR 12 from a great shop with a good price at $750.. bad news, I may need to buy mags at "neck beard" prices
Thank you to ncthorn1623 for posting the news! lol, get ready to be raped. Enter this item # into ebay search for one Vepr 12 Molot mag 121383248025 this is not my auction btw I have 13 of these, should i sell? 13!? You Douche!... sell me one?
Lol, i got in before all this mess started. 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 8:55:06 PM EDT
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Since NIB SGL-21's are out of my price range, I may settle for the "American Made" C39 instead.. thoughts? Here you go- http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/156022_Anyone_have_any_experience_with_the_Century_C39_Milled_Chrome_Lined_AK.html |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:03:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lol, i got in before all this mess started. Having two Vepr 12's in my safe 13 mags isnt that many. It is tempting to sell some though, must resist. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Good news I got my VEPR 12 from a great shop with a good price at $750.. bad news, I may need to buy mags at "neck beard" prices Thank you to ncthorn1623 for posting the news! lol, get ready to be raped. Enter this item # into ebay search for one Vepr 12 Molot mag 121383248025 this is not my auction btw I have 13 of these, should i sell? 13!? You Douche!... sell me one? Lol, i got in before all this mess started. Having two Vepr 12's in my safe 13 mags isnt that many. It is tempting to sell some though, must resist. Let me know if you lose your fight against temptation, my VEPR needs some love  |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:04:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Since NIB SGL-21's are out of my price range, I may settle for the "American Made" C39 instead.. thoughts? Here you go- http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_64/156022_Anyone_have_any_experience_with_the_Century_C39_Milled_Chrome_Lined_AK.html Thanks, looks good so far. My LGS is looking for an SGL-21, but I'm not holding my breath. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:10:12 PM EDT
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There must be one hell of a strippers and blow party going on at Arsenal Bulgaria headquarters right now.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:19:22 PM EDT
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There must be one hell of a strippers and blow party going on at Arsenal Bulgaria headquarters right now. There wasn't already? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:22:58 PM EDT
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Let me know if you lose your fight against temptation, my VEPR needs some love
You do know about Csspecs coming out with a steel made V12 mag right? http://stores.csspecs.com/coming-soon-vepr-12/ 
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:49:47 PM EDT
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looks like buds wants 1399 for their vepr 12s right now....
looks like I should have bought a bunch a few days ago at $799.
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Posted: 7/18/2014 9:51:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know about Csspecs coming out with a steel made V12 mag right? http://stores.csspecs.com/coming-soon-vepr-12/  http://youtu.be/O0xWF3_oaXkQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let me know if you lose your fight against temptation, my VEPR needs some love You do know about Csspecs coming out with a steel made V12 mag right? http://stores.csspecs.com/coming-soon-vepr-12/ http://youtu.be/O0xWF3_oaXkI did not, thanks! I've bookmarked the link, I'll definitely buy a couple. I'm still learning about this shotgun.. any ammo I should avoid? |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:02:29 PM EDT
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I did not, thanks! I've bookmarked the link, I'll definitely buy a couple. I'm still learning about this shotgun.. any ammo I should avoid? He said on another forum that they are @ 3 weeks out from shipping and prices will be $55 each. He also said that he had so many mags ready that they are stacked up like firewood, no reason why there shouldnt be enough for everyone to get some. Most any 2 3/4- 3" shells from light bird loads to slugs will work fine.Stay away from the cheap Winchester bird loads that are crap loads even in single shot shotguns. Some guys break the action in with higher power loads, i started with federal 7 1/2 field loads.Havent had but 2 FTE and that was with cheap estate bird loads from walmart. The best all around i have shot is federal, even the cheap loads from walmart cycle great. Here is some good info on chokes.Liquidmetal here on the forums knows a lot about them in the thread below.Each shotgun will be a bit different in what it eats until broken in.Mine only took @ 2 mags to get nice and smooth. Slugs and choke info- very good read http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/155875_vepr_12_slug_accuracy_results.html Ammo thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/156004_Vepr_12_and_cheap_ammo_.html |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:06:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He said on another forum that they are @ 3 weeks out from shipping and prices will be $55 each. He also said that he had so many mags ready that they are stacked up like firewood, no reason why there shouldnt be enough for everyone to get some. Most any 2 3/4- 3" shells from light bird loads to slugs will work fine.Stay away from the cheap Winchester bird loads that are crap loads even in single shot shotguns. Some guys break the action in with higher power loads, i started with federal 7 1/2 field loads.Havent had but 2 FTE and that was with cheap estate bird loads from walmart. The best all around i have shot is federal, even the cheap loads from walmart cycle great. Here is some good info on chokes.Liquidmetal here on the forums knows a lot about them in the thread below.Each shotgun will be a bit different in what it eats until broken in.Mine only took @ 2 mags to get nice and smooth. Slugs and choke info- very good read http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/155875_vepr_12_slug_accuracy_results.html Ammo thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/156004_Vepr_12_and_cheap_ammo_.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I did not, thanks! I've bookmarked the link, I'll definitely buy a couple. I'm still learning about this shotgun.. any ammo I should avoid? He said on another forum that they are @ 3 weeks out from shipping and prices will be $55 each. He also said that he had so many mags ready that they are stacked up like firewood, no reason why there shouldnt be enough for everyone to get some. Most any 2 3/4- 3" shells from light bird loads to slugs will work fine.Stay away from the cheap Winchester bird loads that are crap loads even in single shot shotguns. Some guys break the action in with higher power loads, i started with federal 7 1/2 field loads.Havent had but 2 FTE and that was with cheap estate bird loads from walmart. The best all around i have shot is federal, even the cheap loads from walmart cycle great. Here is some good info on chokes.Liquidmetal here on the forums knows a lot about them in the thread below.Each shotgun will be a bit different in what it eats until broken in.Mine only took @ 2 mags to get nice and smooth. Slugs and choke info- very good read http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/155875_vepr_12_slug_accuracy_results.html Ammo thread http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_4_80/156004_Vepr_12_and_cheap_ammo_.html Bookmarked, thanks again! |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:13:28 PM EDT
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Bookmarked, thanks again! Your welcome, glad i could help.If you have any questions feel free to pm me or post in those threads. The guys over in the AK part of the forums are very knowledgeable and helpful on these AK platform guns.Just ask away its the only way to learn about them. Im going to get the winchoke adapter from ak-builder and see how she does with different loads including slugs. http://ak-builder.com/index.php?dispatch=products.view&product_id=30105 |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:19:56 PM EDT
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I did not, thanks! I've bookmarked the link, I'll definitely buy a couple. I'm still learning about this shotgun.. any ammo I should avoid? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Let me know if you lose your fight against temptation, my VEPR needs some love
You do know about Csspecs coming out with a steel made V12 mag right? http://stores.csspecs.com/coming-soon-vepr-12/ http://youtu.be/O0xWF3_oaXkI did not, thanks! I've bookmarked the link, I'll definitely buy a couple. I'm still learning about this shotgun.. any ammo I should avoid? I use SGM Tactical mags in mine, $45ish for 12 & 10 round mags. No issues shooting walmart bulk #7/8s. Ive shot a few slugs and buckshot through it too, but letting my 12 yo stepson blast away with birdshot is the majority of the rounds it's fired. |
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Posted: 7/18/2014 10:26:48 PM EDT
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I use SGM Tactical mags in mine, $45ish for 12 & 10 round mags. No issues shooting walmart bulk #7/8s. Ive shot a few slugs and buckshot through it too, but letting my 12 yo stepson blast away with birdshot is the majority of the rounds it's fired. So far mine has shot very well.I had some feeding issues with the SGM mags (12 round) the Russian mags have worked flawlessly so far.They seem to fit better and are smoother than the SGM's, at least the ones i have. Here is a tip for cheap blasting ammo.Head to walmart and look for the 100 round value packs of field loads.They are roll back priced at $19.97 for the 100 round pack.Some stores only have the Winchester value packs but the Federal is the on you want as its on rollback pricing.I bought 6 packs from one walmart yesterday, its good cheap fun. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 12:55:17 PM EDT
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Cross-post of what I said in another thread:
As much as I'll probably get flamed for this, I really don't think this will last. It happened because of Russian meddling in Ukraine. If Russia stops tooling around over there, the sanctions will probably be lifted. Crippling a Russian industry via sanctions after they reversed the behavior would be terribl foreign policy (not that this Admin knows anything about foreign policy). Fortunately for us, this issue isn't some "domestic" thing that only affects the US, where Obama can act with impunity (how sad that I just typed that?). Placing sanctions on a foreign nation for X reason, the foreign nation changing X action, and then the country that placed the sanctions refusing to withdraw the sanctions would be suicide from a foreign policy perspective and would severely damage what little is left of US-Russian relations. What I would worry more about is that it's obvious that Russia doesn't care what we think about what's going on in Ukraine or strongly worded letters, and I fear we'll have another 'Sudetenland Crisis' on our hands. |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 12:59:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You do know about Csspecs coming out with a steel made V12 mag right? http://stores.csspecs.com/coming-soon-vepr-12/ http://youtu.be/O0xWF3_oaXkQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let me know if you lose your fight against temptation, my VEPR needs some love You do know about Csspecs coming out with a steel made V12 mag right? http://stores.csspecs.com/coming-soon-vepr-12/ http://youtu.be/O0xWF3_oaXk |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 1:22:57 PM EDT
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You do know about Csspecs coming out with a steel made V12 mag right? http://stores.csspecs.com/coming-soon-vepr-12/ http://youtu.be/O0xWF3_oaXk@3 weeks time.The first batch is a trial run of 500 mags from what i understand to make fine adjustments, etc for fitment. After that full scale production |
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Posted: 7/19/2014 2:22:36 PM EDT
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On the lines of US made AKs, Jim Fuller was on Yeagers channel talking about the ban and Rifle Dynamics plan to produce US made AKs. It's rifle dynamics so I fear it may have a hefty price tag but its a step in a good direction. FBHO
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Posted: 7/19/2014 2:28:59 PM EDT
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Would you guys fo on a converted Saiga 12 with <100 rounds thru it for $875?
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Posted: 7/19/2014 2:57:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Would you guys fo on a converted Saiga 12 with <100 rounds thru it for $875? |
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