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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:33:15 PM EDT
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Uncle crazy Ventura was a UDT guy. Nowadays, they have been accepted as SEALs
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:33:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If I had to bet money Ventura said something stupid to the people in the funeral in passing at the bar when his old duffer buddies were not around and kyle exaggerated it into Ventura saying seals should die and bush was an asshole. Sounds like kyle admitted he had misstated what Ventura said and exaggerated the physical confrontation. Jury won't like the thought of Ventura trying to take money from Kyle's estate. I wouldn't touch this case with a ten foot pole. I don't see the "you were udt, not seal" stuff meaning anything to a jury and maybe backfiring. That's my take too. It sounds to me like this is a collision of tale tellers. Same here. There are many things he's done which are above and beyond what was asked of him. I still view him in a positive light in that regard. Jesse the body Ventura on the other hand? I'm not sure what he's done worth mentioning. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:37:01 PM EDT
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Ventura is a truther pos.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:43:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ventura is a truther pos. this |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 5:09:12 PM EDT
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Jesse is a douche no matter what happens in court
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Posted: 7/11/2014 7:13:35 PM EDT
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Uncle crazy Ventura was a UDT guy. Nowadays, they have been accepted as SEALs Quote HistoryQuoted:
Uncle crazy Ventura was a UDT guy. Nowadays, they have been accepted as SEALs Completely false. UDT's did not do the extra 26 weeks of Seal training. Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 7:15:33 PM EDT
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How epic would it be if CKs widow punched Ventura in the cock sucker?
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:57:26 AM EDT
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Completely false. UDT's did not do the extra 26 weeks of Seal training. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uncle crazy Ventura was a UDT guy. Nowadays, they have been accepted as SEALs Completely false. UDT's did not do the extra 26 weeks of Seal training. Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. The UDT-SEAL Association seems to consider all of NSW to be part of the tribe. |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 3:05:44 AM EDT
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meh, is this nonsense still going on? Thanks a lot Obama. |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 6:16:05 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Completely false. UDT's did not do the extra 26 weeks of Seal training. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Uncle crazy Ventura was a UDT guy. Nowadays, they have been accepted as SEALs Completely false. UDT's did not do the extra 26 weeks of Seal training. Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 8:17:46 AM EDT
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You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80&highlight=ventura Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Uncle crazy Ventura was a UDT guy. Nowadays, they have been accepted as SEALs Completely false. UDT's did not do the extra 26 weeks of Seal training. Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80&highlight=ventura I get this feeling, that you might know a thing or two about cool guy groups. |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 11:48:05 AM EDT
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How epic would it be if CKs widow punched Ventura in the cock sucker? After three long weeks of this, I'm thinking someone on the jury might do it! |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 1:02:44 PM EDT
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You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80&highlight=ventura Quote HistoryQuoted:
You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80&highlight=ventura Just to be clear, I don't think you know what's going on. Jesse Ventura claimed to be a SEAL (5326) not a UDT (5321). They were two completely different MOS's and training. When the UDT's went away in 1983, the association accepted them as part of the community in an honorary manner. HOWEVER ----- What Jesses claimed was that he was a SEAL. Interviewer: You had been a Navy SEAL before becoming a wrestler. What's the difference between the kind of body of a Navy SEAL and a wrestler?
Ventura: Oh, much much different. I view it this way: When I was a wrestler, I could pick up buildings. When I was a SEAL, I could scale them. Retired SEAL Master Chief Dick Ray, who had been a legendary BUD/S instructor during the '70s. ...
I asked Dick about the different NECs for UDT and SEALs. He didn't pause: "5321 for UDT, 5326 for SEALs. Anyone who'd only served in UDT before the Teams combined in 1983 couldn't truthfully claim to have been a SEAL." I told Dick that Jesse had left active duty in 1974. "Couldn't have been a SEAL, then." Are you starting to understand? http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_4.htm |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:25:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Just to be clear, I don't think you know what's going on. Jesse Ventura claimed to be a SEAL (5326) not a UDT (5321). They were two completely different MOS's and training. When the UDT's went away in 1983, the association accepted them as part of the community in an honorary manner. HOWEVER ----- What Jesses claimed was that he was a SEAL. Are you starting to understand? http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_4.htm Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80&highlight=ventura Just to be clear, I don't think you know what's going on. Jesse Ventura claimed to be a SEAL (5326) not a UDT (5321). They were two completely different MOS's and training. When the UDT's went away in 1983, the association accepted them as part of the community in an honorary manner. HOWEVER ----- What Jesses claimed was that he was a SEAL. Interviewer: You had been a Navy SEAL before becoming a wrestler. What's the difference between the kind of body of a Navy SEAL and a wrestler? Ventura: Oh, much much different. I view it this way: When I was a wrestler, I could pick up buildings. When I was a SEAL, I could scale them. Retired SEAL Master Chief Dick Ray, who had been a legendary BUD/S instructor during the '70s. ... I asked Dick about the different NECs for UDT and SEALs. He didn't pause: "5321 for UDT, 5326 for SEALs. Anyone who'd only served in UDT before the Teams combined in 1983 couldn't truthfully claim to have been a SEAL." I told Dick that Jesse had left active duty in 1974. "Couldn't have been a SEAL, then." Are you starting to understand? http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_4.htm Did you read it?
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Posted: 7/12/2014 2:44:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/12/2014 3:00:18 PM EDT
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whether Jessie ventura can call himself a SEAL or not is for the SEAL community to decide. putting this widow through this bullshit because of your ego means you earned your badge for the DOUCHE team.
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Posted: 7/12/2014 3:40:39 PM EDT
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Just to be clear, I don't think you know what's going on. Jesse Ventura claimed to be a SEAL (5326) not a UDT (5321). They were two completely different MOS's and training. When the UDT's went away in 1983, the association accepted them as part of the community in an honorary manner. HOWEVER ----- What Jesses claimed was that he was a SEAL. Are you starting to understand? http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_4.htm Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80&highlight=ventura Just to be clear, I don't think you know what's going on. Jesse Ventura claimed to be a SEAL (5326) not a UDT (5321). They were two completely different MOS's and training. When the UDT's went away in 1983, the association accepted them as part of the community in an honorary manner. HOWEVER ----- What Jesses claimed was that he was a SEAL. Interviewer: You had been a Navy SEAL before becoming a wrestler. What's the difference between the kind of body of a Navy SEAL and a wrestler?
Ventura: Oh, much much different. I view it this way: When I was a wrestler, I could pick up buildings. When I was a SEAL, I could scale them. Retired SEAL Master Chief Dick Ray, who had been a legendary BUD/S instructor during the '70s. ...
I asked Dick about the different NECs for UDT and SEALs. He didn't pause: "5321 for UDT, 5326 for SEALs. Anyone who'd only served in UDT before the Teams combined in 1983 couldn't truthfully claim to have been a SEAL." I told Dick that Jesse had left active duty in 1974. "Couldn't have been a SEAL, then." Are you starting to understand? http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_4.htm This is shit that was hashed out years ago. Ventura's considered a SEAL by the Navy and by the SEAL community. They may wish they could change that now, but it is what it is. |
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Posted: 7/12/2014 3:46:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is shit that was hashed out years ago. Ventura's considered a SEAL by the Navy and by the SEAL community. They may wish they could change that now, but it is what it is. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You don't know shit and what I posted is not false. Read this thread or keep showing your ignorant ass. http://www.socnet.com/showthread.php?t=80&highlight=ventura Just to be clear, I don't think you know what's going on. Jesse Ventura claimed to be a SEAL (5326) not a UDT (5321). They were two completely different MOS's and training. When the UDT's went away in 1983, the association accepted them as part of the community in an honorary manner. HOWEVER ----- What Jesses claimed was that he was a SEAL. Interviewer: You had been a Navy SEAL before becoming a wrestler. What's the difference between the kind of body of a Navy SEAL and a wrestler? Ventura: Oh, much much different. I view it this way: When I was a wrestler, I could pick up buildings. When I was a SEAL, I could scale them. Retired SEAL Master Chief Dick Ray, who had been a legendary BUD/S instructor during the '70s. ... I asked Dick about the different NECs for UDT and SEALs. He didn't pause: "5321 for UDT, 5326 for SEALs. Anyone who'd only served in UDT before the Teams combined in 1983 couldn't truthfully claim to have been a SEAL." I told Dick that Jesse had left active duty in 1974. "Couldn't have been a SEAL, then." Are you starting to understand? http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt_4.htm This is shit that was hashed out years ago. Ventura's considered a SEAL by the Navy and by the SEAL community. They may wish they could change that now, but it is what it is. If Don says so, thats all I need. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 8:47:14 AM EDT
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Ventura: Yearly earnings drop from $1M to $100,000 because of 'American Sniper'
ST. PAUL, Minn. (KMSP) -
Jesse Ventura returned to the witness stand Monday morning in his defamation lawsuit against the estate of former Navy SEAL and “American Sniper” author Chris Kyle. Ventura told the jury on Monday his yearly earnings dropped from $1 million to $100,000 after the book started getting publicity. He's been written about before, but has never sued an author because none have gone on television accusing him of treason, Ventura said. http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26012429/ventura-returns-to-witness-stand-in-defamation-trial |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:01:52 AM EDT
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I would want to punch everybody if I was stuck on that fucking jury. Three weeks of shitbaggery and two beers I swear occifer?
Holy shitcircus. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:07:47 AM EDT
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Ventura: Yearly earnings drop from $1M to $100,000 because of 'American Sniper' http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26012429/ventura-returns-to-witness-stand-in-defamation-trial Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ventura: Yearly earnings drop from $1M to $100,000 because of 'American Sniper' ST. PAUL, Minn. (KMSP) -
Jesse Ventura returned to the witness stand Monday morning in his defamation lawsuit against the estate of former Navy SEAL and “American Sniper” author Chris Kyle. Ventura told the jury on Monday his yearly earnings dropped from $1 million to $100,000 after the book started getting publicity. He's been written about before, but has never sued an author because none have gone on television accusing him of treason, Ventura said. http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26012429/ventura-returns-to-witness-stand-in-defamation-trial He did that short TV series that made him look like a complete idiot. No wonder his earnings dropped. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:25:40 AM EDT
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The punch - whether it happened or not- isn't so much the issue as is were the alleged reasons behind it true. Was Jesse Ventura actually there and making disparaging comments about currently serving SEALs etc? That would be the defamation. Going after the widow is lowbrow but if it is true that a smear is still being published and profited upon,should that not be rectified? There is a difference between clearing ones name and seeking money/publicity and Ventura is the one who makes this distinction more difficult in his attentionwhoring ways. Jesse Ventura is a nutcase but that does not make it any more acceptable to print and repeat untruths. The other side of this is that if he indeed was found to be guilty of needing popped for the reason given in the book,it makes him out to be an even bigger asshole. At this point the only one publicizing Jesse Ventura's association with that event is Jesse Ventura. Fuck him. If he'd shut his mouth, just about everyone would forget about it, and it would just go back to being a small "CSB" in Kyle's book. ETA - and he'd still be a douche. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:43:01 AM EDT
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Whether he is a SEAL or UDT is irrelevant to me.
The relevant part is whether or not he verbally slammed the SEALS and/or America in their time of grief. It sounds a lot like he did and got punched for it. Suing Kyle's widow is just plain wrong. Jesse is wrong and his lack of character is showing...... |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 9:54:07 AM EDT
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Defense questions Jesse Ventura about recollections
The defense played a video of Ventura’s deposition in which he said he could remember nothing about being at California bar at the time of the incident in 2006. http://www.startribune.com/local/267017351.html |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:40:44 AM EDT
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Suing Kyle's widow is just plain wrong. Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:49:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Suing Kyle's widow is just plain wrong. Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. I haven't seen it in the few articles I've read. Did the process begin before Kyle was even killed?
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:53:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He did that short TV series that made him look like a complete idiot. No wonder his earnings dropped. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ventura: Yearly earnings drop from $1M to $100,000 because of 'American Sniper' ST. PAUL, Minn. (KMSP) - Jesse Ventura returned to the witness stand Monday morning in his defamation lawsuit against the estate of former Navy SEAL and "American Sniper” author Chris Kyle. Ventura told the jury on Monday his yearly earnings dropped from $1 million to $100,000 after the book started getting publicity. He's been written about before, but has never sued an author because none have gone on television accusing him of treason, Ventura said. http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26012429/ventura-returns-to-witness-stand-in-defamation-trial He did that short TV series that made him look like a complete idiot. No wonder his earnings dropped. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:56:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Defense questions Jesse Ventura about recollections http://www.startribune.com/local/267017351.html Quote HistoryQuoted: Defense questions Jesse Ventura about recollections The defense played a video of Ventura’s deposition in which he said he could remember nothing about being at California bar at the time of the incident in 2006. http://www.startribune.com/local/267017351.html |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:58:14 AM EDT
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Ventura is just trying to shake them down for a settlement. They're filming the movie now and will probably start promoting it later this fall and don't need him running around.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:58:39 AM EDT
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I haven't seen it in the few articles I've read. Did the process begin before Kyle was even killed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suing Kyle's widow is just plain wrong. Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. I haven't seen it in the few articles I've read. Did the process begin before Kyle was even killed? Yes. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 11:59:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Regardless of the merits of the case, some big, fat, bald, old, professional wrestler going after a young, attractive, recently widowed woman isn't going to look good in front of a jury. Ventura should be easy to prove as a bull shitter or whack job too, I hope they discuss his conspiracy theories. Not in the book, but on a radio show or something, he said that person punched was Ventura. Quote HistoryQuoted: Regardless of the merits of the case, some big, fat, bald, old, professional wrestler going after a young, attractive, recently widowed woman isn't going to look good in front of a jury. Ventura should be easy to prove as a bull shitter or whack job too, I hope they discuss his conspiracy theories. Quoted: I don't recall anywhere in Kyle's book that he named Mr. Bigmouth. Ventura should drop the issue with Kyle's estate. Leave the widow alone. Not in the book, but on a radio show or something, he said that person punched was Ventura. Yep. Ventura likely has a case, (As much as I hate to say it, Chris appears to have been up to telling some fish stories once he was back stateside) but he's just going to look like an asshole if he wins. Or loses.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:05:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If it did happen at a SEAL's wake, then there should be other SEALs who saw it. Ventura is nutty enough that I could believe he went to the wake and said something. Having met ventura when he was running for gov and seeing him interact with normal people off camera, I have a tendancy to believe all negative things i hear about him. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:06:33 PM EDT
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Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suing Kyle's widow is just plain wrong. Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. While true, it is largely semantics. In practice, Ventura is taking money out of Kyle's wife's pockets. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:16:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yes. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Suing Kyle's widow is just plain wrong. Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. I haven't seen it in the few articles I've read. Did the process begin before Kyle was even killed? Yes. OK, so the whole suing the widow thing is nonsense. Not that the case itself isn't nonsense from both sides and on all levels.
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:18:21 PM EDT
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You fail to understand shit. Did you visit the link I posted? Did you read it? I did read your links, and frankly if the SEAL community has officially accepted them then I suppose he is in fact a SEAL. I recant my earlier "he's not a SEAL" claims. Just my 2 cents on it though, that is sort of a derpy approach to it. Personally I wouldn't want to retroactively accept a title that didn't apply to me when I served, as the only reason to do so would be to make yourself sound cool by association. I.e. MARSOC didn't exist when I was in, and though I graduated ARS/BRC and earned the Recon Marine title and MOS, I don't think I would ever tell people I was MARSOC if suddenly MARSOC became the coolest hippest gig on the planet and made all the chicks and neckbeards swoon. Even if the Corps came out and said, "you know what, to avoid confusion, you're all MARSOC, and if you served beforehand, fuck it, you're MARSOC too. Everyone write books about it and claim your 10% discount on Oakley products." Hell, I've had folks introduce me and if they get my background wrong (by making it cooler, i.e. Force Recon) I immediately correct it, so as never to be accused of pumping my own tires by claiming I was something I wasn't. And if Don Shipley thinks having to explain UDT is a pain in the ass, he should try getting the stupid looks when you try explaining what Radio Recon is
But if that's what the SEALs wanna do, more power to em I suppose. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:19:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I honestly think Ventura is suffering from some sort of dementia. He was lucid, he was sane, then he became the Governor and then after about 2 years says and does nothing but whackadoo tinfoil conspiracy shit. He shook and rocked back and forth while talking back when he was campaigning. Not a nervous habit. His head bobbed around. He was nuts then, he's just nutsier now 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:22:36 PM EDT
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I find it hard to believe that Ventura said at a deposition that he had no memory of being there. I suspect the reporter is trying to say he remembered nothing remarkable about the night, or something like that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Defense questions Jesse Ventura about recollections The defense played a video of Ventura’s deposition in which he said he could remember nothing about being at California bar at the time of the incident in 2006. http://www.startribune.com/local/267017351.html Sometimes a traumatic injury to the head can blank out the events immediately leading up to the injury............ 
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:25:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Regardless of the merits of the case, some big, fat, bald, old, professional wrestler going after a young, attractive, recently widowed woman isn't going to look good in front of a jury. Ventura should be easy to prove as a bull shitter or whack job too, I hope they discuss his conspiracy theories. Quoted: I don't recall anywhere in Kyle's book that he named Mr. Bigmouth. Ventura should drop the issue with Kyle's estate. Leave the widow alone. Not in the book, but on a radio show or something, he said that person punched was Ventura. Yep. Ventura likely has a case, (As much as I hate to say it, Chris appears to have been up to telling some fish stories once he was back stateside) but he's just going to look like an asshole if he wins. Or loses. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:26:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sometimes a traumatic injury to the head can blank out the events immediately leading up to the injury............ Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Defense questions Jesse Ventura about recollections The defense played a video of Ventura’s deposition in which he said he could remember nothing about being at California bar at the time of the incident in 2006. http://www.startribune.com/local/267017351.html Sometimes a traumatic injury to the head can blank out the events immediately leading up to the injury............ |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:37:14 PM EDT
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I think Kyle even admitted that he was lying when he said he hit Ventura so hard that tables went flying Lying is a strong word. When you are talking about a bar fight on an entertainment radio program or TV interview I don't think most people expect you to give a legal deposition-accurate account of the fight. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:39:32 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sorry to nitpick but they weren't called UDT at the time. UDT and SEALs were two separate groups. Jesse can only laughably be called a SEAL as an honorary title since UDT was folded into the SEALs after he left the UDT and Navy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Levine said Ventura has a high bar to clear, and to win damages, he must also prove his reputation was harmed in a quantifiable way. I didn't realize that Ventura had a reputation that even could be harmed. He's been saying for years that he was a SEAL, even though at the time he served they were called UDT. When called on it, he just says, "UDT, SEAL, what's the difference?" Big fucking difference, Jesse. I've never been either one, and I know that. He needs to just crawl off somewhere and shut up. Sorry to nitpick but they weren't called UDT at the time. UDT and SEALs were two separate groups. Jesse can only laughably be called a SEAL as an honorary title since UDT was folded into the SEALs after he left the UDT and Navy. Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. In 1983, eight years after Ventura left the Navy, the UDTs were disbanded and those operators were retrained and retasked as SEALs. Pretty shitty that he would claim to be a SEAL and to have done combat tours, since by all accounts, his elder brother is the real deal. A slap in the face if ever there was one. But it wouldn't be the first time anyone pulled a stunt like this - http://sofrep.com/35903/tom-heben-special-forces-poser/ - and it won't be the last. Shit birds can hatch in any nest. A pretty extensive and well researched (and source cited article) paints Ventura as a bit of a fraud and a braggart. http://cursor.org/stories/seal_or_udt.htm The author, CDR Bill Salisbury, USN, SEAL (ret.), has his credentials for all to see - http://www.warboats.org/mst2bremmer/Salisbury.htm - and God knows SCPO Don Shipley, USN, SEAL (ret.), would stomp the shit out of him were he a phony. From "The Men with Green Faces" documentary/recruiting film "All [SEALs] are volunteers from the famed Frog Men of the Navy's Underwater Demolition Teams. But once out of water, most similarity with Frog Men ends." I agree with Salisbury. And think that as a person Ventura is a real goon. I still like watching "Predator" but he's still a goon. But opinions differ. And Shipley, as well as Brandon Webb (also a SEAL, and a close friend and teammate of Kyle's), defend Ventura's claims - http://sofrep.com/36086/truth-jesse-venturas-navy-seal-status/ - in the face of overwhelming and damning fact. In the matter of hard fact and bare reality, what the NSW community thinks now is largely irrelevant since they don't seem to agree about this anyway. And if it weren't something so tied up in a person's self image source documents would be enough. Check the files. A billet is a billet and no amount of good feelings goes back in time and changes a 5321 to a 5326. I'm not on the Teams, but I desperately want to be, and this shit storm is really disheartening. They say never meet your heroes. This may be why. The Group guys are doing a much better job of keeping a low profile these days... as long as Larry Vickers and Kyle Lamb don't decide to run for office or get into a bar fight. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:43:58 PM EDT
[#42]
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I did read your links, and frankly if the SEAL community has officially accepted them then I suppose he is in fact a SEAL. I recant my earlier "he's not a SEAL" claims. Just my 2 cents on it though, that is sort of a derpy approach to it. Personally I wouldn't want to retroactively accept a title that didn't apply to me when I served, as the only reason to do so would be to make yourself sound cool by association. I.e. MARSOC didn't exist when I was in, and though I graduated ARS/BRC and earned the Recon Marine title and MOS, I don't think I would never tell people I was MARSOC if suddenly MARSOC became the coolest hippest gig on the planet and made all the chicks and neckbeards swoon. Even if the Corps came out and said, "you know what, to avoid confusion, you're all MARSOC, and if you served beforehand, fuck it, you're MARSOC too. Everyone write books about it and claim your 10% discount on Oakley products." Hell, I've had folks introduce me and if they get my background wrong (by making it cooler, i.e. Force Recon) I immediately correct it, so as never to be accused of pumping my own tires by claiming I was something I wasn't. And if Don Shipley thinks having to explain UDT is a pain in the ass, he should try getting the stupid looks when you try explaining what Radio Recon is
But if that's what the SEALs wanna do, more power to em I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You fail to understand shit. Did you visit the link I posted? Did you read it? I did read your links, and frankly if the SEAL community has officially accepted them then I suppose he is in fact a SEAL. I recant my earlier "he's not a SEAL" claims. Just my 2 cents on it though, that is sort of a derpy approach to it. Personally I wouldn't want to retroactively accept a title that didn't apply to me when I served, as the only reason to do so would be to make yourself sound cool by association. I.e. MARSOC didn't exist when I was in, and though I graduated ARS/BRC and earned the Recon Marine title and MOS, I don't think I would never tell people I was MARSOC if suddenly MARSOC became the coolest hippest gig on the planet and made all the chicks and neckbeards swoon. Even if the Corps came out and said, "you know what, to avoid confusion, you're all MARSOC, and if you served beforehand, fuck it, you're MARSOC too. Everyone write books about it and claim your 10% discount on Oakley products." Hell, I've had folks introduce me and if they get my background wrong (by making it cooler, i.e. Force Recon) I immediately correct it, so as never to be accused of pumping my own tires by claiming I was something I wasn't. And if Don Shipley thinks having to explain UDT is a pain in the ass, he should try getting the stupid looks when you try explaining what Radio Recon is
But if that's what the SEALs wanna do, more power to em I suppose. I equate it to the Vietnam era LRRP units being considered as part of the Ranger lineage even though they did not serve in Ranger Bats. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:45:28 PM EDT
[#43]
utNo offense, and not to take the side of JV, but I kinda figured That Kyles Deboing Ventura story was BS.
First off real men dont knock out senior citizens, and by all accounts Kyle was hardcore. B Ventura is a truther dipshit whose very existance would royally piss off a guy like Kyle. Kyle probably said it to fuck him over. I hope a line of Seals show up and lie. Fuck truthers. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:46:27 PM EDT
[#44]
Attorney says Ventura can't show that memoir hurt his reputation
Former Gov. Jesse Ventura has no direct evidence that he lost any job opportunities because of the memoir “American Sniper,” an attorney for Chris Kyle’s estate said Monday during his spirited cross examination in Ventura’s defamation case. The defense played a video of Ventura’s deposition in which he said he could remember nothing about being at California bar at the time of the incident in 2006.
The 10-member jury watched intently as the defense showed photographs and played audio of a news conference in which Ventura called the United States “a fascist country.” http://www.startribune.com/local/267017351.html Jessee can't remember things. Tom Hauser @5hauser · 3h On many occasions when Kyle's attorneys ask Ventura about quotes in his own books, Ventura days he doesn't remember writing what is quoted. Hey, I forgot $2 million dollars. Tom Hauser @5hauser · 3h
Ventura tax returns show he earned $13,654,329 during that 11-year period. Ventura earlier testified he earned $11 million. Oops......!!! Tom Hauser @5hauser · 3h
Under cross examination, Ventura admits he can't say for certain he's lost any job opportunities as a result of Chris Kyle's story. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:47:58 PM EDT
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Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suing Kyle's widow is just plain wrong. Making the point for the 50th time on this subject...he's not suing the widow. He's suing the estate. She's the executor of the estate. Here is my point. Chris is dead Leave it alone. Ventura is an asshole for continuing. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:50:24 PM EDT
[#46]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I did read your links, and frankly if the SEAL community has officially accepted them then I suppose he is in fact a SEAL. I recant my earlier "he's not a SEAL" claims. Just my 2 cents on it though, that is sort of a derpy approach to it. Personally I wouldn't want to retroactively accept a title that didn't apply to me when I served, as the only reason to do so would be to make yourself sound cool by association. I.e. MARSOC didn't exist when I was in, and though I graduated ARS/BRC and earned the Recon Marine title and MOS, I don't think I would never tell people I was MARSOC if suddenly MARSOC became the coolest hippest gig on the planet and made all the chicks and neckbeards swoon. Even if the Corps came out and said, "you know what, to avoid confusion, you're all MARSOC, and if you served beforehand, fuck it, you're MARSOC too. Everyone write books about it and claim your 10% discount on Oakley products." Hell, I've had folks introduce me and if they get my background wrong (by making it cooler, i.e. Force Recon) I immediately correct it, so as never to be accused of pumping my own tires by claiming I was something I wasn't. And if Don Shipley thinks having to explain UDT is a pain in the ass, he should try getting the stupid looks when you try explaining what Radio Recon is But if that's what the SEALs wanna do, more power to em I suppose. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You fail to understand shit. Did you visit the link I posted? Did you read it? I did read your links, and frankly if the SEAL community has officially accepted them then I suppose he is in fact a SEAL. I recant my earlier "he's not a SEAL" claims. Just my 2 cents on it though, that is sort of a derpy approach to it. Personally I wouldn't want to retroactively accept a title that didn't apply to me when I served, as the only reason to do so would be to make yourself sound cool by association. I.e. MARSOC didn't exist when I was in, and though I graduated ARS/BRC and earned the Recon Marine title and MOS, I don't think I would never tell people I was MARSOC if suddenly MARSOC became the coolest hippest gig on the planet and made all the chicks and neckbeards swoon. Even if the Corps came out and said, "you know what, to avoid confusion, you're all MARSOC, and if you served beforehand, fuck it, you're MARSOC too. Everyone write books about it and claim your 10% discount on Oakley products." Hell, I've had folks introduce me and if they get my background wrong (by making it cooler, i.e. Force Recon) I immediately correct it, so as never to be accused of pumping my own tires by claiming I was something I wasn't. And if Don Shipley thinks having to explain UDT is a pain in the ass, he should try getting the stupid looks when you try explaining what Radio Recon is But if that's what the SEALs wanna do, more power to em I suppose.  |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:52:51 PM EDT
[#47]
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I equate it to the Vietnam era LRRP units being considered as part of the Ranger lineage even though they did not serve in Ranger Bats. Question, totally get considering them part of the Ranger lineage, do you commonly refer to them as Rangers? Honest question, I don't know if you do or not. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:55:52 PM EDT
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Ventura: Yearly earnings drop from $1M to $100,000 because of 'American Sniper' http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26012429/ventura-returns-to-witness-stand-in-defamation-trial Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ventura: Yearly earnings drop from $1M to $100,000 because of 'American Sniper' ST. PAUL, Minn. (KMSP) -
Jesse Ventura returned to the witness stand Monday morning in his defamation lawsuit against the estate of former Navy SEAL and “American Sniper” author Chris Kyle. Ventura told the jury on Monday his yearly earnings dropped from $1 million to $100,000 after the book started getting publicity. He's been written about before, but has never sued an author because none have gone on television accusing him of treason, Ventura said. http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26012429/ventura-returns-to-witness-stand-in-defamation-trial Maybe we should take up a collection for him. Anybody want to run that by site staff? |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:57:13 PM EDT
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Question, totally get considering them part of the Ranger lineage, do you commonly refer to them as Rangers? Honest question, I don't know if you do or not. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I equate it to the Vietnam era LRRP units being considered as part of the Ranger lineage even though they did not serve in Ranger Bats. Question, totally get considering them part of the Ranger lineage, do you commonly refer to them as Rangers? Honest question, I don't know if you do or not. Yes, without hesitation or equivacation. Much of the training I received in the early 1980s was learned through their sacrifice. |
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Posted: 7/14/2014 12:58:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Lying is a strong word. When you are talking about a bar fight on an entertainment radio program or TV interview I don't think most people expect you to give a legal deposition-accurate account of the fight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I think Kyle even admitted that he was lying when he said he hit Ventura so hard that tables went flying Lying is a strong word. When you are talking about a bar fight on an entertainment radio program or TV interview I don't think most people expect you to give a legal deposition-accurate account of the fight. How many months did Kyle have between the radio interview, the start of the lawsuit and the deposition to say that he got carried away telling the story?
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