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Posted: 7/8/2014 7:44:07 AM EDT
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i hope at trial they show all of venturas conspiracy theory crap to the jury.. GR They probably could, since it's relevant to his damages. He's going to say all his speaking engagements and stuff dried up because of this book. The defense will offer all that tinfoil whackjob stuff to show an alternate reason why he's not getting work. |
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Posted: 7/8/2014 7:53:15 AM EDT
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They probably could, since it's relevant to his damages. He's going to say all his speaking engagements and stuff dried up because of this book. The defense will offer all that tinfoil whackjob stuff to show an alternate reason why he's not getting work. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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i hope at trial they show all of venturas conspiracy theory crap to the jury.. GR They probably could, since it's relevant to his damages. He's going to say all his speaking engagements and stuff dried up because of this book. The defense will offer all that tinfoil whackjob stuff to show an alternate reason why he's not getting work. maybe ventura will bring ron paul in as an expert to back him up. 
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Posted: 7/8/2014 2:14:44 PM EDT
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Both of those men know how to finish a fight, why would you expect anything different from Jessie or any other man for that matter. Its not about the widow.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:22:06 AM EDT
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Ventura suit off to heated start as author’s widow takes stand
Quote HistoryThe widow of a former Navy SEAL engaged in some testy exchanges with an attorney for Jesse Ventura during the opening day of a trial of a defamation lawsuit filed by the former governor.
Taya Kyle suggested several times that attorney David B. Olson was misstating the testimony she gave during sworn depositions before the trial. Quote HistoryThe widow of a former Navy SEAL engaged in some testy exchanges with an attorney for Jesse Ventura during the opening day of a trial of a defamation lawsuit filed by the former governor.
Taya Kyle suggested several times that attorney David B. Olson was misstating the testimony she gave during sworn depositions before the trial. A 10-member jury was selected Tuesday morning, followed by opening statements from lawyers for both sides and then Taya Kyle’s testimony later in the day.
Kyle’s attorney, John Borger, objected to several questions she was asked, saying they weren’t relevant. But U.S. District Judge David Kyle, who is unrelated to the defendant, allowed most of them. Borger told jurors he would produce numerous witnesses who saw various parts of the incident described in the book and who heard Ventura’s comments that night.
Jurors were shown a brief excerpt of a video deposition by Chris Kyle, and Borger said that Kyle testified in the deposition that he is “absolutely sure” of what he wrote concerning Ventura’s behavior that night. The trial moved quickly on its first day. Six men and four women were chosen from a jury pool of 26 interviewed by Judge Kyle. They include a mortgage specialist; a psychology student at Minnesota State University, Mankato; a plant manager for 3M Co.; a corn and soybean farmer; a construction superintendent, and two employees of Target Corp. who said they did not know each other. Ventura, dressed in a dark suit and striped tie, rocked back and forth in his chair as the judge interviewed potential jurors. Borger told jurors he will have witnesses who will verify Kyle’s account of the bar fight and testify they heard the “insensitive comments.” http://www.startribune.com/local/266230451.html?page=2&c=y |
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:28:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: ..or he could be a fucking man about it and let it the fuck go seeing as how the guy he had beef with was murdered. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't...just like probably half the shit that Ventura has claimed over the years. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: The man is dead, just leave it alone he could lose anyway even if he convinces a jury it never happened but that's a different kettle of fish ..or he could be a fucking man about it and let it the fuck go seeing as how the guy he had beef with was murdered. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't...just like probably half the shit that Ventura has claimed over the years. |
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:31:36 AM EDT
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At least Ventura got a hair cut. Slander and libel suits suck, probably more so when the defendant is a murdered SEAL. Regardless of what happened it'll be an uphill slog for Ventura with pretty far ranging cross examination.
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:41:30 AM EDT
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No shit. His kids and widow aren't responsible, Kyle is dead, Ventura just needs to STFU and stop being a dick. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The man is dead, just leave it alone he could lose anyway even if he convinces a jury it never happened but that's a different kettle of fish ..or he could be a fucking man about it and let it the fuck go seeing as how the guy he had beef with was murdered. Maybe it happened, maybe it didn't...just like probably half the shit that Ventura has claimed over the years. The rules have to apply as fairly as possible to each and every individual or the book needs thrown out the window, even when it's in regard to a tragic set of circumstances and a revered American hero against some toolbag like Ventura. You would have every right to challenge a printed "lie," even if the person that printed it died, so as should that cockstick Jesse The Body. Yes it sucks it comes back on the widow now but as I understand it the proceedings were started before Kyle's death so I can see why he wouldn't just drop it as he sees it as "clearing his name" which we all should have a right to do. |
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Posted: 7/9/2014 4:46:18 AM EDT
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I really liked Predator as a lad.
I even liked this one show in like the super late 80s about racing RC cars that Ventura hosted. But man this guy has ridden a lot of coattails and stepped on a lot of heads. He sure plays up the Navy SEAL card despite never having been on a SEAL team. I read Chris Kyles book. The Ventura incident was barely half a page and he wasn't named. Chris Kyle got his notoriety by doing his military job. Before he died he was on a few TV shows and so on, but only became a 'name' through some pretty exceptional service. Ventura was a heel wrestler who wont shut up about stuff he never did. Nobody sued him. Let it go. |
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Posted: 7/10/2014 6:19:40 PM EDT
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Ventura’s SEAL Teammate Testifies In Defamation Trial
Bill DeWitt testified that at no time did he hear the former governor act loud or obnoxious, and that the 1970 UDT/SEALs team certainly did not witness a fight. But under cross examination, DeWitt admitted his hearing is impaired, and that he had not been with Ventura the entire night.
And lawyers for Kyle’s widow say Ventura has been capable of offensive statements, including calling America “a fascist country,” saying he now refuses “to salute the flag,” that he “lost his patriotism” and that SEALs are “elite killer squads.” But Dewitt also said he did not see Ventura leave McP’s. He was not with him in the parking lot, where Chris Kyle claims he threw the punch. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/07/10/venturas-seal-teammate-testifies-in-defamation-trial/ http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25990525/testimony-was-jesse-ventura-really-punched-at-seals-reunion |
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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:08:37 PM EDT
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Well, if he "win's", the jury could always just award him "One Dollar"......
Kind of a "WIN", but you're still a DOUCHE....... |
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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:23:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ventura’s SEAL Teammate Testifies In Defamation Trial http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/07/10/venturas-seal-teammate-testifies-in-defamation-trial http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25990525/testimony-was-jesse-ventura-really-punched-at-seals-reunion Quote HistoryQuoted: Ventura’s SEAL Teammate Testifies In Defamation Trial Bill DeWitt testified that at no time did he hear the former governor act loud or obnoxious, and that the 1970 UDT/SEALs team certainly did not witness a fight. But under cross examination, DeWitt admitted his hearing is impaired, and that he had not been with Ventura the entire night. And lawyers for Kyle’s widow say Ventura has been capable of offensive statements, including calling America "a fascist country,” saying he now refuses "to salute the flag,” that he "lost his patriotism” and that SEALs are "elite killer squads.” But Dewitt also said he did not see Ventura leave McP’s. He was not with him in the parking lot, where Chris Kyle claims he threw the punch. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/07/10/venturas-seal-teammate-testifies-in-defamation-trial http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25990525/testimony-was-jesse-ventura-really-punched-at-seals-reunion  How did they end up in the parking lot? I thought kyle said something about tables flying http://www.startribune.com/local/266448121.html kyle admitted in a video deposition that he had exaggerated the story. Kyle had said he would donate the book's proceeds to veterans causes, it grossed millions of dollars but only $ 52k was donated ( but they kept the money because of the lawsuit, or expenses blah blah). Oh and they "didn't have time to set up a nonprofit" huh She cried on the stand and kyle's video testimony will evoke sympathy, not sure how Ventura comes across. |
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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:28:48 PM EDT
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Ventura needs to shut up and go away, any guy who wears pink, a boa, and sequined tights has to be suspect. Guy is an attention whore.
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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:30:29 PM EDT
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To the 1,000 of you that donated cash last year - it might come in handy since fighting Jesse off likely ain't gonna be cheap ... http://www.laruetactical.com/newsletter/check.jpg Thanks for the nudge Mark.Do you have a link for the legal fund? |
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Posted: 7/10/2014 7:43:26 PM EDT
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Honestly, regardless of the court's outcome, most likely we will never know the truth unless Ventura was the one who lied and he confesses. I don't care for Ventura, however the Kyle family have had so many of WTF accusations that it makes you wonder after a while...
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Posted: 7/10/2014 8:01:11 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:14:42 PM EDT
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I know several ( well, two former SEALS) they are both a couple of douche bags so, I figure they all are..... Anyway. IDGAS one way or the other. I for one am not gonna bow to your idol(s).
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:31:51 PM EDT
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Fuck Ventura with a rusty spike. |
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:38:42 PM EDT
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I know several ( well, two former SEALS) they are both a couple of douche bags so, I figure they all are..... Anyway. IDGAS one way or the other. I for one am not gonna bow to your idol(s).
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:48:39 PM EDT
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Edited-joker581
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Posted: 7/10/2014 9:49:32 PM EDT
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I honestly think Ventura is suffering from some sort of dementia. He was lucid, he was sane, then he became the Governor and then after about 2 years says and does nothing but whackadoo tinfoil conspiracy shit. When he was gov the MN Troopers fucking HATED him. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:35:04 AM EDT
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Ventura’s past bombast cited in book defamation trial
Ventura has called the United States “a fascist” country, said Navy SEALs are part of “illegal gangland operations” and said he no longer would salute the U.S. flag, said Leita Walker, an attorney for the estate of Chris Kyle. Walker, a lawyer for Taya Kyle, who oversees her husband’s estate, sought to show Thursday that given his past provocative statements, Ventura was capable of making the disparaging comments cited in Chris Kyle’s book. Truther Nonsense Exposed To Jury Walker cross-examined DeWitt, noting that Ventura had “built a brand of being a little outrageous.”
“Would you agree with Mr. Ventura who said the SEALs are elite killer squads?” she asked him. DeWitt first declined to answer, saying it was classified information, but, after being ordered to do so by Judge Richard H. Kyle, said SEALs have been tied to an assassination program. She then asked DeWitt if he was aware that Ventura said the SEALs “are part of illegal gangland operations.” She asked what he thought about a statement Ventura made at a news conference that the United States was “a fascist country.” DeWitt, apparently taken aback, asked, “What’s your definition of fascist?” Walker did not answer, instead asking DeWitt if he was aware that Ventura had stated that he “doesn’t respect our country,” that he was going to “refuse to salute the flag” and had lost his patriotism, and that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were perpetrated by the Bush administration. http://www.startribune.com/local/266595051.html?page=2&c=y |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:41:05 AM EDT
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Ventura’s past bombast cited in book defamation trial Truther Nonsense Exposed To Jury http://www.startribune.com/local/266595051.html?page=2&c=y Quote HistoryQuoted:
Ventura’s past bombast cited in book defamation trial Ventura has called the United States “a fascist” country, said Navy SEALs are part of “illegal gangland operations” and said he no longer would salute the U.S. flag, said Leita Walker, an attorney for the estate of Chris Kyle. Walker, a lawyer for Taya Kyle, who oversees her husband’s estate, sought to show Thursday that given his past provocative statements, Ventura was capable of making the disparaging comments cited in Chris Kyle’s book. Truther Nonsense Exposed To Jury Walker cross-examined DeWitt, noting that Ventura had “built a brand of being a little outrageous.”
“Would you agree with Mr. Ventura who said the SEALs are elite killer squads?” she asked him. DeWitt first declined to answer, saying it was classified information, but, after being ordered to do so by Judge Richard H. Kyle, said SEALs have been tied to an assassination program. She then asked DeWitt if he was aware that Ventura said the SEALs “are part of illegal gangland operations.” She asked what he thought about a statement Ventura made at a news conference that the United States was “a fascist country.” DeWitt, apparently taken aback, asked, “What’s your definition of fascist?” Walker did not answer, instead asking DeWitt if he was aware that Ventura had stated that he “doesn’t respect our country,” that he was going to “refuse to salute the flag” and had lost his patriotism, and that the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks were perpetrated by the Bush administration. http://www.startribune.com/local/266595051.html?page=2&c=y Lol What did they think they were going to be asked? They probably think they are the majority of the public Gr |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:45:59 AM EDT
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Fuck Ventura. +1 This lawsuit is harming ventura's reputation far more than Kyles book. It's John-Edwards-cheating-on-his-dying-wife low. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:57:41 AM EDT
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That's an interesting tidbit about being a public figure. If I meet Jessica Alba at a party or event and then later write a book claiming I banged a Hollywood actress and when asked for clarification claim it was her, she would have to prove "actual malice" or that I knowingly made false statements? Essentially she would have to prove that she didn't sleep with me rather than I have to prove that I did sleep with her...am I reading that correctly? For the record I'm not defending Ventura just asking for clarification. your herpes would be proof. 
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:20:44 AM EDT
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After examining all of the evidence available to me, I've concluded that Jesse Ventura is responsible for 103% of the defamation of the character of Jesse Ventura.
Maybe he should sue himself? |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:35:08 AM EDT
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i finally read Kyles book. Good read. Ventura is an asshat, book or no book and we all know it.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 6:15:37 AM EDT
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+1 This lawsuit is harming ventura's reputation far more than Kyles book. It's John-Edwards-cheating-on-his-dying-wife low. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Fuck Ventura. +1 This lawsuit is harming ventura's reputation far more than Kyles book. It's John-Edwards-cheating-on-his-dying-wife low. I will laugh my ass off if Ventura loses - IMHO. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 10:11:27 AM EDT
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Ventura takes the stand
Former Gov. Jesse Ventura showed his emotional and pugnacious sides during his first session on the stand in his defamation lawsuit in federal court in St. Paul Friday. In testimony before the noon recess, Ventura said that after the Iraq war, he decided to have the trident, symbol of the underwater demolition teams, tattooed on his chest.
“Do I need to show it, or will opposing counsel believe me?” he asked loudly. “Maybe opposing counsel wants to see it.” U.S. District Judge Richard Kyle answered first. “You’re not going to show it,” he said. “Let’s break for lunch.” The trial is in its fourth day and is expected to last about three weeks. The suit is against Kyle’s estate, which is run by his widow, Taya Kyle. Kyle was killed in 2013 by a young veteran he was mentoring. http://www.startribune.com/local/266771721.html?page=2&c=y |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 12:34:09 PM EDT
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The trial is in its fourth day and is expected to last about three weeks. The suit is against Kyle’s estate, which is run by his widow, Taya Kyle. Kyle was killed in 2013 by a young veteran he was mentoring. http://www.startribune.com/local/266771721.html?page=2&c=y Three weeks for the trial? Seriously? Holy cow. Did they select the jurors form a pool of transorbital lobotomy recipients? How are they not jumping over the rail of the jury box and punching Ventura themselves? |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 12:56:24 PM EDT
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If it did happen at a SEAL's wake, then there should be other SEALs who saw it. Ventura is nutty enough that I could believe he went to the wake and said something. From what I remember from Chris' book, they were at a bar soon after the death of a fellow SEAL. He didn't mention Ventura by name, but it is obvious in the book that that is who he was talking about. JV was talking shit about the war and I'm pretty sure said some shit about the SEAL who was killed. Thus he got knocked the 'f out. Chris Kyle was a B.M.F. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:08:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How can you not know how to hotlink Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ventura’s SEAL Teammate Testifies In Defamation Trial Bill DeWitt testified that at no time did he hear the former governor act loud or obnoxious, and that the 1970 UDT/SEALs team certainly did not witness a fight. But under cross examination, DeWitt admitted his hearing is impaired, and that he had not been with Ventura the entire night. And lawyers for Kyle’s widow say Ventura has been capable of offensive statements, including calling America "a fascist country,” saying he now refuses "to salute the flag,” that he "lost his patriotism” and that SEALs are "elite killer squads.” But Dewitt also said he did not see Ventura leave McP’s. He was not with him in the parking lot, where Chris Kyle claims he threw the punch. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/07/10/venturas-seal-teammate-testifies-in-defamation-trial http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/25990525/testimony-was-jesse-ventura-really-punched-at-seals-reunion How did they end up in the parking lot? I thought kyle said something about tables flying http://www.startribune.com/local/266448121.html kyle admitted in a video deposition that he had exaggerated the story. Kyle had said he would donate the book's proceeds to veterans causes, it grossed millions of dollars but only $ 52k was donated ( but they kept the money because of the lawsuit, or expenses blah blah). Oh and they "didn't have time to set up a nonprofit" huh She cried on the stand and kyle's video testimony will evoke sympathy, not sure how Ventura comes across. Wow it saddens me to hear that Kyle was such a story teller at best. Sad deal for sure. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 2:26:07 PM EDT
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What I got out of Kyle's book was that Ventura was acting like an asshole, whether or not he was that night he sure as hell is now.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:13:56 PM EDT
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I didn't realize that Ventura had a reputation that even could be harmed. He's been saying for years that he was a SEAL, even though at the time he served they were called UDT. When called on it, he just says, "UDT, SEAL, what's the difference?" Big fucking difference, Jesse. I've never been either one, and I know that. He needs to just crawl off somewhere and shut up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Levine said Ventura has a high bar to clear, and to win damages, he must also prove his reputation was harmed in a quantifiable way. I didn't realize that Ventura had a reputation that even could be harmed. He's been saying for years that he was a SEAL, even though at the time he served they were called UDT. When called on it, he just says, "UDT, SEAL, what's the difference?" Big fucking difference, Jesse. I've never been either one, and I know that. He needs to just crawl off somewhere and shut up. Sorry to nitpick but they weren't called UDT at the time. UDT and SEALs were two separate groups. Jesse can only laughably be called a SEAL as an honorary title since UDT was folded into the SEALs after he left the UDT and Navy. Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. In 1983, eight years after Ventura left the Navy, the UDTs were disbanded and those operators were retrained and retasked as SEALs. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:14:33 PM EDT
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I know several ( well, two former SEALS) they are both a couple of douche bags so, I figure they all are..... Anyway. IDGAS one way or the other. I for one am not gonna bow to your idol(s). '14ers. They're like '13ers but they go to 11. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:22:07 PM EDT
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jurors will have to assess whether Ventura's reputation was damaged This will do a LOT more damage than whether or not Kyle knocked him on his ass. Fuck man, I can't tell you how many times I got knocked on my ass but I never got terrible butt-hurt over it...and I don't think my rep ever suffered for it. I thought his rep suffered a lot more because he was running his suck hole disrespecting other SEALs and Bush the Younger. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:28:46 PM EDT
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When attention whores collide.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:31:29 PM EDT
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This will do a LOT more damage than whether or not Kyle knocked him on his ass. Fuck man, I can't tell you how many times I got knocked on my ass but I never got terrible butt-hurt over it...and I don't think my rep ever suffered for it. I thought his rep suffered a lot more because he was running his suck hole disrespecting other SEALs and Bush the Younger. Quote HistoryQuoted:
jurors will have to assess whether Ventura's reputation was damaged This will do a LOT more damage than whether or not Kyle knocked him on his ass. Fuck man, I can't tell you how many times I got knocked on my ass but I never got terrible butt-hurt over it...and I don't think my rep ever suffered for it. I thought his rep suffered a lot more because he was running his suck hole disrespecting other SEALs and Bush the Younger. Isn't he claiming that the entire incident never happened? If so, then there's not just reputation damage from him getting punched. There's also damage related to someone saying that he said SEALs needed to lose some guys if he really didn't say it. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:38:56 PM EDT
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I'd say his reputation suffered more from his anti-war antics, 9/11 trutherism, and various other crap that has flowed out of his mouth. The "punch out" incident isn't nearly as radioactive as that stuff.
And suing the dead man's widow is just the cherry on top of this sh*t sundae. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:48:54 PM EDT
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Ventura is a washed up has-been that will do anything to keep his name in the media. He talks a lot about conspiracy theories yet does nothing about any of them, just like the fat man in Austin,TX. Makes me wonder how much of the CIA budget goes to the two of them. Anyone that would attack a dead military hero's family is either working an agenda or, is mentally unstable at best.
 
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Posted: 7/11/2014 3:58:05 PM EDT
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If Ventura had half a brain (he doesn't) and IF he never said that stuff at the wake (I think he did) then instead of nuking himself though this PR nightmare, all he should have said to rebut the story was, "No it never happened and no, I didn't say anything like that. We ran into each other at a bar, after a wake, and a lot of beers were drunk at that bar that night. I don't think anybody could honestly say they were in the right frame of midn to be quoting anybody) and move on. Nobody would have ever remember what Ventura allegedly said.
But for me, the guy is king douche for his bogus SEAL claims. He was not a SEAL. Period. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:00:26 PM EDT
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On the witness stand in his defamation trial against a former Navy SEAL sniper-turned-author, Jesse Ventura had no shortage of things to expound upon: his high school football team, his T-shirt collection, Johnny Depp's beard, the Abraham Lincoln assassination. Webber asked if continuing the lawsuit against Kyle's estate, represented by Kyle's widow, was consistent with SEAL ethos. A petition circulated in 2013 seeking to remove Ventura from the Underwater Demolition Team-SEAL Association called his pursuit of the lawsuit after Kyle's death dishonorable. http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26132385/jesse-ventura-denies-he-was-bar-fight-navy |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:04:58 PM EDT
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Gary Busy is shaking his head. http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26132385/jesse-ventura-denies-he-was-bar-fight-navy Quote HistoryQuoted:
Gary Busy is shaking his head. On the witness stand in his defamation trial against a former Navy SEAL sniper-turned-author, Jesse Ventura had no shortage of things to expound upon: his high school football team, his T-shirt collection, Johnny Depp's beard, the Abraham Lincoln assassination. Webber asked if continuing the lawsuit against Kyle's estate, represented by Kyle's widow, was consistent with SEAL ethos. A petition circulated in 2013 seeking to remove Ventura from the Underwater Demolition Team-SEAL Association called his pursuit of the lawsuit after Kyle's death dishonorable. http://www.twincities.com/localnews/ci_26132385/jesse-ventura-denies-he-was-bar-fight-navy Oh and since Ventura's claim that he never could say what he said hinges on his testimony of his being a dedicated SEAL, collecting t-shirts and getting a trident tattoo, I'd love for Defense counsel to open Monday with, "But isn't it true Mr. Ventura that you never actually were a SEAL?" |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:11:01 PM EDT
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Oh and since Ventura's claim that he never could say what he said hinges on his testimony of his being a dedicated SEAL, collecting t-shirts and getting a trident tattoo, I'd love for Defense counsel to open Monday with, "But isn't it true Mr. Ventura that you never actually were a SEAL?" Quote HistoryQuoted:
Oh and since Ventura's claim that he never could say what he said hinges on his testimony of his being a dedicated SEAL, collecting t-shirts and getting a trident tattoo, I'd love for Defense counsel to open Monday with, "But isn't it true Mr. Ventura that you never actually were a SEAL?" Why not the UDT symbol? He should be proud of the training he actually did. Although Ventura underwent UDT training, he never attempted the additional 26-week SEAL Qualification Training. On completion of his BUD/S training, Ventura was assigned to a UDT team. 
Underwater Demolition Team (UDT) - Enlisted |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:16:44 PM EDT
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If I had to bet money Ventura said something stupid to the people in the funeral in passing at the bar when his old duffer buddies were not around and kyle exaggerated it into Ventura saying seals should die and bush was an asshole. Sounds like kyle admitted he had misstated what Ventura said and exaggerated the physical confrontation.
Jury won't like the thought of Ventura trying to take money from Kyle's estate. I wouldn't touch this case with a ten foot pole. I don't see the "you were udt, not seal" stuff meaning anything to a jury and maybe backfiring.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:18:18 PM EDT
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Other Witnesses http://www.startribune.com/local/167764165.html Quote HistoryQuoted:
Other Witnesses Debbie Lee, who lost her son, Navy SEAL Marc Lee, in Iraq, said the group was mournful and respectful. "It was not a belly-up-to-the-bar type of event," she wrote.
One of her son's SEAL teammates introduced her to Ventura, whom she found offensive. She said she heard him criticize the war and called President George Bush a jerk. Ventura could only talk about himself, she said. "He did not say he was sorry for my loss." Bob Gassoff, the SEAL who introduced Lee to Ventura, said the former governor wore a beard braided into pony tails and a blue SEAL team hat. "He was badmouthing the war and President Bush. He was upsetting the families of deceased SEALs," Gassoff said. Andrew Paul, a reservist Navy SEAL, said he notified Mansoor's family about his death and helped carry his body off the plane. "I grew up watching [the movie] 'Predator' and professional wrestling. I thought it would be cool to meet 'The Body,'" he said. But Ventura's behavior that night revolted him, Paul said. "He was saying the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. In my opinion, he was being as anti-American as you can possibly get. Now, he would probably argue that he was being very American by challenging the government, but for a bunch of guys who had just laid their lives on the line for their country and who were at a wake for their fallen comrade, he's lucky the punch to the face is all he got." Jeremiah Dinnell, an active-duty SEAL, was the exception.
"I heard Ventura say that we shouldn't be over in Iraq, doing what we were doing," he said. "And then he said that the SEALs deserved to lose some guys because of what we were doing. "That's when Chris punched him. All of us wanted to. Chris was just the first one to pop him." http://www.startribune.com/local/167764165.html Are there really Navy Seals in the Reserves? |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:19:39 PM EDT
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Are there really Navy Seals in the Reserves? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Other Witnesses Debbie Lee, who lost her son, Navy SEAL Marc Lee, in Iraq, said the group was mournful and respectful. "It was not a belly-up-to-the-bar type of event," she wrote.
One of her son's SEAL teammates introduced her to Ventura, whom she found offensive. She said she heard him criticize the war and called President George Bush a jerk. Ventura could only talk about himself, she said. "He did not say he was sorry for my loss." Bob Gassoff, the SEAL who introduced Lee to Ventura, said the former governor wore a beard braided into pony tails and a blue SEAL team hat. "He was badmouthing the war and President Bush. He was upsetting the families of deceased SEALs," Gassoff said. Andrew Paul, a reservist Navy SEAL, said he notified Mansoor's family about his death and helped carry his body off the plane. "I grew up watching [the movie] 'Predator' and professional wrestling. I thought it would be cool to meet 'The Body,'" he said. But Ventura's behavior that night revolted him, Paul said. "He was saying the wrong things in the wrong place at the wrong time. In my opinion, he was being as anti-American as you can possibly get. Now, he would probably argue that he was being very American by challenging the government, but for a bunch of guys who had just laid their lives on the line for their country and who were at a wake for their fallen comrade, he's lucky the punch to the face is all he got." Jeremiah Dinnell, an active-duty SEAL, was the exception.
"I heard Ventura say that we shouldn't be over in Iraq, doing what we were doing," he said. "And then he said that the SEALs deserved to lose some guys because of what we were doing. "That's when Chris punched him. All of us wanted to. Chris was just the first one to pop him." http://www.startribune.com/local/167764165.html Are there really Navy Seals in the Reserves? Yes. I'm pretty sure that they all start out on active duty though. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:20:18 PM EDT
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Are there really Navy Seals in the Reserves? Yep, two Reserve SEAL Teams of men who were originally active duty. |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:21:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If I had to bet money Ventura said something stupid to the people in the funeral in passing at the bar when his old duffer buddies were not around and kyle exaggerated it into Ventura saying seals should die and bush was an asshole. Sounds like kyle admitted he had misstated what Ventura said and exaggerated the physical confrontation. Jury won't like the thought of Ventura trying to take money from Kyle's estate. I wouldn't touch this case with a ten foot pole. I don't see the "you were udt, not seal" stuff meaning anything to a jury and maybe backfiring. That's my take too. It sounds to me like this is a collision of tale tellers.
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:27:19 PM EDT
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I didn't realize that Ventura had a reputation that even could be harmed. He's been saying for years that he was a SEAL, even though at the time he served they were called UDT. When called on it, he just says, "UDT, SEAL, what's the difference?" Big fucking difference, Jesse. I've never been either one, and I know that. He needs to just crawl off somewhere and shut up. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Levine said Ventura has a high bar to clear, and to win damages, he must also prove his reputation was harmed in a quantifiable way. I didn't realize that Ventura had a reputation that even could be harmed. He's been saying for years that he was a SEAL, even though at the time he served they were called UDT. When called on it, he just says, "UDT, SEAL, what's the difference?" Big fucking difference, Jesse. I've never been either one, and I know that. He needs to just crawl off somewhere and shut up. I thought they'd been SEALs since the 60's? |
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Posted: 7/11/2014 4:31:35 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jury won't like the thought of Ventura trying to take money from Kyle's estate. I wouldn't touch this case with a ten foot pole. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If I had to bet money Ventura said something stupid to the people in the funeral in passing at the bar when his old duffer buddies were not around and kyle exaggerated it into Ventura saying seals should die and bush was an asshole. Sounds like kyle admitted he had misstated what Ventura said and exaggerated the physical confrontation. Jury won't like the thought of Ventura trying to take money from Kyle's estate. I wouldn't touch this case with a ten foot pole. I don't see the "you were udt, not seal" stuff meaning anything to a jury and maybe backfiring. That's my take too. It sounds to me like this is a collision of tale tellers. |
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