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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:43:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 7/24/2014 1:50:15 PM EDT
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Crazy.
Granted I know the whole "beyond a reasonable doubt" standard doesn't necessarily apply in civil cases, but at best it boils down to a he said/she said deal which is pretty sketchy when you're talking defamation, plus it involving a public figure which usually affords a little more leeway. Makes me think more that there really may be a hard split, or again, that one guy who is a closet JV fan who simply can't let it go. I mean, at the end of the day you would have to believe that that one small allegation alone cost JV millions, when seemingly JV didn't prove any direct correlation. I.e. there simply was no massive public backlash JV could point to regarding the alleged statement. |
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Posted: 7/24/2014 3:52:19 PM EDT
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Jeebus H Christ. going into the fourth day over something like this... un fucking real. These are the types who voted in Franken and will re-elect him.
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Posted: 7/24/2014 9:43:38 PM EDT
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Jeebus H Christ. going into the fourth day over something like this... un fucking real. These are the types who voted in Franken and will re-elect him. As I said earlier. Ventura was elected to public office by these folks. Gr |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 2:26:36 AM EDT
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Lots of juries decide to finish Friday afternoon.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 3:51:01 AM EDT
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Realistically would JV had lost 5-15 million from this?
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:01:04 AM EDT
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Realistically would JV had lost 5-15 million from this? NO. HE HURT himself more than CK could have, even if CK hit him with a crow bar. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:18:11 AM EDT
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Realistically would JV had lost 5-15 million from this? Who knows, its tough to say. I doubt it, however. Quite frankly, I think both JV and CK are douchebags and full of shit. YMMV. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:21:18 AM EDT
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Who knows, its tough to say. I doubt it, however. Quite frankly, I think both JV and CK are douchebags and full of shit. YMMV. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Realistically would JV had lost 5-15 million from this? Who knows, its tough to say. I doubt it, however. Quite frankly, I think both JV and CK are douchebags and full of shit. YMMV. I disagree regarding CK. I met him prior to his murder and he was a very down to earth humble guy. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:54:47 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree regarding CK. I met him prior to his murder and he was a very down to earth humble guy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Realistically would JV had lost 5-15 million from this? Who knows, its tough to say. I doubt it, however. Quite frankly, I think both JV and CK are douchebags and full of shit. YMMV. I disagree regarding CK. I met him prior to his murder and he was a very down to earth humble guy.  He seems like a pleasant guy who certainly put himself in harm's way to protect others.edit filler article about Ventura, only worth a read if you are bored http://www.startribune.com/local/268448062.html
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:50:27 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:05:56 AM EDT
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Jesse claims that 23 CIA agents interrogate him in the basement of the capital when he was Gov.
Again, exactly, how did Kyle damage Ventura's reputation? 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:07:17 AM EDT
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Quote History"Did you know the CIA is implanted in your state government?" ",,,no,," I quit at that point
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:10:38 AM EDT
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"Did you know the CIA is implanted in your state government?" ",,,no,," I quit at that point Quote HistoryQuoted:
I quit at that point Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. At 9:54, UDT Ventura states he threatened the CIA for tailing him while he was in Cuba meeting Castro. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:22:21 AM EDT
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Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. At 9:54, UDT Ventura states he threatened the CIA for tailing him while he was in Cuba meeting Castro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I quit at that point Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. At 9:54, UDT Ventura states he threatened the CIA for tailing him while he was in Cuba meeting Castro. Make it to the end for the super lulz. Where he claims he told the CIA, "If you ever put a tail on me again without telling me, you'll find your tail floating in the river." Sure you did Jessee. ETA: Your edit beat me by seconds. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:25:43 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I quit at that point Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. he was in Cuba trying to export sheep there, sounds like he talked to Castro for about two seconds http://news.minnesota.publicradio.org/features/200209/27_khoom_cuba27/
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:28:12 AM EDT
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I've never paid much attention to him beyond knowing his a truther conspiracy whack job. He's really way way way out there, but whoever was there (reporters?) sat though that nonsense like he wasn't just completely bullshitting Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I quit at that point Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. To be fair, the press sits through Obama, Biden, and Pelosi pressers the same way, and they contain a similar amount of utter BS. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:34:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: To be fair, the press sits through Obama, Biden, and Pelosi pressers the same way, and they contain a similar amount of utter BS. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: To be fair, the press sits through Obama, Biden, and Pelosi pressers the same way, and they contain a similar amount of utter BS. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:40:41 AM EDT
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Jesse claims that 23 CIA agents interrogate him in the basement of the capital when he was Gov.
Again, exactly, how did Kyle damage Ventura's reputation?  http://youtu.be/lIzfXOfpFcAWhat if they were the same CIA agents that hid the bodies of the carjackers and those the SEALs shot in New Orleans? 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:45:38 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What if they were the same CIA agents that hid the bodies of the carjackers and those the SEALs shot in New Orleans? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Jesse claims that 23 CIA agents interrogate him in the basement of the capital when he was Gov. Again, exactly, how did Kyle damage Ventura's reputation? http://youtu.be/lIzfXOfpFcAWhat if they were the same CIA agents that hid the bodies of the carjackers and those the SEALs shot in New Orleans? |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 9:54:13 AM EDT
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Jesse claims that 23 CIA agents interrogate him in the basement of the capital when he was Gov.
Again, exactly, how did Kyle damage Ventura's reputation? http://youtu.be/lIzfXOfpFcAWhat if they were the same CIA agents that hid the bodies of the carjackers and those the SEALs shot in New Orleans? Arfcom solved the mystery. This just proves CK was telling the truth. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:26:32 AM EDT
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No news, just new speculation:
http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26114376/verdict-watch-at-jesse-ventura-defamation-trial |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:26:59 AM EDT
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Make it to the end for the super lulz. Where he claims he told the CIA, "If you ever put a tail on me again without telling me, you'll find your tail floating in the river." Sure you did Jessee. That just sounds like some of that choreographed/scripted pro wrestler smacktalk. [yawn] |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:31:59 AM EDT
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Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. At 9:54, UDT Ventura states he threatened the CIA for tailing him while he was in Cuba meeting Castro. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I quit at that point Get to the 1:26 mark for LOL's. At 9:54, UDT Ventura states he threatened the CIA for tailing him while he was in Cuba meeting Castro. I think it was Grayman or one of the other doctors here who said he had a distraught and delirious man come into the emergency room one time complaining that FBI agents were after him. They treated him with some meds and sent him on his way. 30 minutes later two guys in suits and sunglasses walked in looking for the man and they were FBI agents. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 11:46:14 AM EDT
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I think it was Grayman or one of the other doctors here who said he had a distraught and delirious man come into the emergency room one time complaining that FBI agents were after him. They treated him with some meds and sent him on his way. 30 minutes later two guys in suits and sunglasses walked in looking for the man and they were FBI agents. That was me... and it was actually the next day that the FBI showed up. We thought the guy was nuts and delusional (and he was), but he'd apparently made some threats against public officials in his paranoid state, and the FBI was just following up. And here we thought it was all just part of his delusional system. 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:02:08 PM EDT
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Day 4 Of Deliberation In Ventura Trial Ends With No Verdict ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP/WCCO) – The fourth day of deliberations has come to a close in the trial over former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura’s defamation lawsuit, and there is still no verdict.
The jury will not return for more deliberations now until Monday at 9 a.m. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/07/25/deliberations-in-ventura-trial-to-enter-day-4/ |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:11:42 PM EDT
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That was me... and it was actually the next day that the FBI showed up. We thought the guy was nuts and delusional (and he was), but he'd apparently made some threats against public officials in his paranoid state, and the FBI was just following up. And here we thought it was all just part of his delusional system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it was Grayman or one of the other doctors here who said he had a distraught and delirious man come into the emergency room one time complaining that FBI agents were after him. They treated him with some meds and sent him on his way. 30 minutes later two guys in suits and sunglasses walked in looking for the man and they were FBI agents. That was me... and it was actually the next day that the FBI showed up. We thought the guy was nuts and delusional (and he was), but he'd apparently made some threats against public officials in his paranoid state, and the FBI was just following up. And here we thought it was all just part of his delusional system. Just goes to show...just because someone is paranoid doesn't mean there aren't actually people out to get them. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:13:25 PM EDT
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http://www.theprospect.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/funny-gif-man-jump-out-the-window.gif Day 4 Of Deliberation In Ventura Trial Ends With No Verdict http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/07/25/deliberations-in-ventura-trial-to-enter-day-4/ Quote HistoryQuoted:
http://www.theprospect.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/funny-gif-man-jump-out-the-window.gif Day 4 Of Deliberation In Ventura Trial Ends With No Verdict ST. PAUL, Minn. (AP/WCCO) – The fourth day of deliberations has come to a close in the trial over former Minnesota Gov. Jesse Ventura’s defamation lawsuit, and there is still no verdict.
The jury will not return for more deliberations now until Monday at 9 a.m. http://minnesota.cbslocal.com/2014/07/25/deliberations-in-ventura-trial-to-enter-day-4/ WTF????? 
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:15:23 PM EDT
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So in my professional opinion as a non-lawyer, my guess would be the jury is still deadlocked over the basic issue of ruling for Ventura or Kyle. I would think that the impending weekend would have moved the jury a lot easier on say the amount of an award than it would on the basic issue of ruling in favor of one or the other. I.e. the whole "I don't want to have to come back in here on Monday" factor is much more likely to drive a compromise on dollar amounts than it is to sway any outliers to cave on innocent or guilty of defamation.
Professional lawyers feel free to make me look like an idiot here. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 12:37:56 PM EDT
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That was me... and it was actually the next day that the FBI showed up. We thought the guy was nuts and delusional (and he was), but he'd apparently made some threats against public officials in his paranoid state, and the FBI was just following up. And here we thought it was all just part of his delusional system. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I think it was Grayman or one of the other doctors here who said he had a distraught and delirious man come into the emergency room one time complaining that FBI agents were after him. They treated him with some meds and sent him on his way. 30 minutes later two guys in suits and sunglasses walked in looking for the man and they were FBI agents. That was me... and it was actually the next day that the FBI showed up. We thought the guy was nuts and delusional (and he was), but he'd apparently made some threats against public officials in his paranoid state, and the FBI was just following up. And here we thought it was all just part of his delusional system. What was his screen name? |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:04:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So in my professional opinion as a non-lawyer, my guess would be the jury is still deadlocked over the basic issue of ruling for Ventura or Kyle. I would think that the impending weekend would have moved the jury a lot easier on say the amount of an award than it would on the basic issue of ruling in favor of one or the other. I.e. the whole "I don't want to have to come back in here on Monday" factor is much more likely to drive a compromise on dollar amounts than it is to sway any outliers to cave on innocent or guilty of defamation. Professional lawyers feel free to make me look like an idiot here. I think this was pretty good 1-no one knows 2-the longer the jury is out usually the better for the plaintiff, but yeah, maybe it's a dead lock over whether Ventura said the shit about seals 3-kyle's estate has a problem For defamation, the jury has to find that Kyle harmed Ventura’s reputation with the story. I believe that has been shown. They also need to decide that the story was "not substantially accurate.” Chris Kyle himself, in video deposition a few months before his murder last year, admitted that details in the printed story were probably not true. For example, he didn’t see Ventura take a swing first. He also conceded that tables did not fly, since he says they were actually nowhere near any tables. He also admitted he didn’t witnesses Ventura hit his head on the ground. I believe that really does call into question the credibility of the entire story. Once Kyle got caught lying -and you can call it exaggerating or whatever-I think he started taking on water. Juries, in my limited experience, tend to kind of write people off once they think they are not trustworthy, even if they make a mistake about something minor. I have said for awhile I think Kyle was a bullshitter, he made up that story about the carjackers and he got into some kind of confrontation with Ventura. Kyle admitted in his book getting drunk, drunk driving, going out looking for fights (basically) in bars. I could see Ventura saying "Bush is a cocksucker, Kyle shoving him and then Kyle making up the part about Ventura saying "seals should die", shoving Ventura because he said Bush is a cocksucker wasn't as good a story Sure Ventura is nuts and spins wacky tales about the FBI, and martians and who knows what else, but he was probably compelling and well prepared when he testified about how hurt he was that Kyle had turned the SEAL community against him. 4-no one knows 5-no one knows 6-no one knows  |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:14:47 PM EDT
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http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/story/26114376/verdict-watch-at-jesse-ventura-defamation-trial I think this was pretty good 1-no one knows 2-the longer the jury is out usually the better for the plaintiff, but yeah, maybe it's a dead lock over whether Ventura said the shit about seals 3-kyle's estate has a problem For defamation, the jury has to find that Kyle harmed Ventura’s reputation with the story. I believe that has been shown. They also need to decide that the story was "not substantially accurate.” Chris Kyle himself, in video deposition a few months before his murder last year, admitted that details in the printed story were probably not true. For example, he didn’t see Ventura take a swing first. He also conceded that tables did not fly, since he says they were actually nowhere near any tables. He also admitted he didn’t witnesses Ventura hit his head on the ground. I believe that really does call into question the credibility of the entire story. Once Kyle got caught lying -and you can call it exaggerating or whatever-I think he started taking on water. Juries, in my limited experience, tend to kind of write people off once they think they are not trustworthy, even if they make a mistake about something minor. I have said for awhile I think Kyle was a bullshitter, he made up that story about the carjackers and he got into some kind of confrontation with Ventura. Kyle admitted in his book getting drunk, drunk driving, going out looking for fights (basically) in bars. I could see Ventura saying "Bush is a cocksucker, Kyle shoving him and then Kyle making up the part about Ventura saying "seals should die", shoving Ventura because he said Bush is a cocksucker wasn't as good a story Sure Ventura is nuts and spins wacky tales about the FBI, and martians and who knows what else, but he was probably compelling and well prepared when he testified about how hurt he was that Kyle had turned the SEAL community against him. 4-no one knows 5-no one knows 6-no one knows
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So in my professional opinion as a non-lawyer, my guess would be the jury is still deadlocked over the basic issue of ruling for Ventura or Kyle. I would think that the impending weekend would have moved the jury a lot easier on say the amount of an award than it would on the basic issue of ruling in favor of one or the other. I.e. the whole "I don't want to have to come back in here on Monday" factor is much more likely to drive a compromise on dollar amounts than it is to sway any outliers to cave on innocent or guilty of defamation. Professional lawyers feel free to make me look like an idiot here. I think this was pretty good 1-no one knows 2-the longer the jury is out usually the better for the plaintiff, but yeah, maybe it's a dead lock over whether Ventura said the shit about seals 3-kyle's estate has a problem For defamation, the jury has to find that Kyle harmed Ventura’s reputation with the story. I believe that has been shown. They also need to decide that the story was "not substantially accurate.” Chris Kyle himself, in video deposition a few months before his murder last year, admitted that details in the printed story were probably not true. For example, he didn’t see Ventura take a swing first. He also conceded that tables did not fly, since he says they were actually nowhere near any tables. He also admitted he didn’t witnesses Ventura hit his head on the ground. I believe that really does call into question the credibility of the entire story. Once Kyle got caught lying -and you can call it exaggerating or whatever-I think he started taking on water. Juries, in my limited experience, tend to kind of write people off once they think they are not trustworthy, even if they make a mistake about something minor. I have said for awhile I think Kyle was a bullshitter, he made up that story about the carjackers and he got into some kind of confrontation with Ventura. Kyle admitted in his book getting drunk, drunk driving, going out looking for fights (basically) in bars. I could see Ventura saying "Bush is a cocksucker, Kyle shoving him and then Kyle making up the part about Ventura saying "seals should die", shoving Ventura because he said Bush is a cocksucker wasn't as good a story Sure Ventura is nuts and spins wacky tales about the FBI, and martians and who knows what else, but he was probably compelling and well prepared when he testified about how hurt he was that Kyle had turned the SEAL community against him. 4-no one knows 5-no one knows 6-no one knows
All of this sounds about right to me. Didn't Kyle also say that he basically punched Ventura and immediately left the scene? Hero or not, he still comes off as a guy who punched out an old man and then ran, and then cashed in on it by writing about it in a book. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:25:39 PM EDT
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I can't quote it because I have the audiobook, but Kyle talked about the SEALs going out to bars and getting in fights all the time. He made some argument that it wasn't their fault, people picked fights with them because they were so awesome and all the girls in the bar would be falling all over them, but when you go out drinking and end up breaking noses and cracking skulls every weekend it's not because you are soooo good looking. He either said, or implied, he played the "I'm a SEAL" card to get out of trouble after getting into trouble with bar fights. There was a lot of weird, fucked up hazing stories too
The parts of the book where he was deployed are great, but a lot of the rest of the book had me going
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Posted: 7/25/2014 5:37:44 PM EDT
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I read (and posted) that article earlier. What I don't get is how on one hand the reporter says the minute it looked like Kyle was a bullshitter he becomes a liar and his testimony will probably get tossed by jurors, but Ventura is also a bullshitter who spins yarns about the FBI and aliens, yet he looks like a sympathetic character.
Granted we don't know the mind of the jury. And Kyle may not have been an angel by any stretch. But at the end of the day it is a wild stretch to think that the success of Kyle's book had anything to do with Ventura, that ventura lost money because of it, and the jury probably needs to just tell everybody to go home and get over themselves. ETA: There is also that whole bit about malice of forethought. If I am not mistaken it isn't enough that Kyle was telling tall tales...it has to be shown that he was doing it intentionally to harm ventura and cost him money. Kind of hard to argue that he did that when he initially shielded Ventura's identity in the book. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:03:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kind of hard to argue that he did that when he initially shielded Ventura's identity in the book. In the end you could pay a lawyer who had spent his career doing slander and libel cases (not me I have handled maybe 4 in 20+years) to watch the trial and he would be guessing as much as you and I are guessing. Adam Carolla has a line about how we expect everyone to be nice guys today, but do you think the robber barons, or Patton or Eisenhower were nice guys? Guys who get railroads built across huge tracts of dangerous wilderness, or who win wars, are probably not the nicest, most politically correct guys, but they are driven and get stuff done. I've avoided ever getting sued for libel or slander, but you couldn't drop me in a mountain pass with nothing but a rifle and expect me to slow down a whole battalion of infantry.
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:08:59 PM EDT
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In before the book "the Aimless Guide to Courtroom Drama."
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Posted: 7/25/2014 6:24:28 PM EDT
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I read (and posted) that article earlier. What I don't get is how on one hand the reporter says the minute it looked like Kyle was a bullshitter he becomes a liar and his testimony will probably get tossed by jurors, but Ventura is also a bullshitter who spins yarns about the FBI and aliens, yet he looks like a sympathetic character. Granted we don't know the mind of the jury. And Kyle may not have been an angel by any stretch. But at the end of the day it is a wild stretch to think that the success of Kyle's book had anything to do with Ventura, that ventura lost money because of it, and the jury probably needs to just tell everybody to go home and get over themselves. ETA: There is also that whole bit about malice of forethought. If I am not mistaken it isn't enough that Kyle was telling tall tales...it has to be shown that he was doing it intentionally to harm ventura and cost him money. Kind of hard to argue that he did that when he initially shielded Ventura's identity in the book. He turned around and said it was Ventura during interviews on the book tour. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:17:44 PM EDT
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I can't quote it because I have the audiobook, but Kyle talked about the SEALs going out to bars and getting in fights all the time. He made some argument that it wasn't their fault, people picked fights with them because they were so awesome and all the girls in the bar would be falling all over them, but when you go out drinking and end up breaking noses and cracking skulls every weekend it's not because you are soooo good looking. He either said, or implied, he played the "I'm a SEAL" card to get out of trouble after getting into trouble with bar fights. There was a lot of weird, fucked up hazing stories too The parts of the book where he was deployed are great, but a lot of the rest of the book had me going , now maybe that was BS too, who knows.
He had a bunch of stupid shit like that in the book that he should have left out. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:25:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He had a bunch of stupid shit like that in the book that he should have left out. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't quote it because I have the audiobook, but Kyle talked about the SEALs going out to bars and getting in fights all the time. He made some argument that it wasn't their fault, people picked fights with them because they were so awesome and all the girls in the bar would be falling all over them, but when you go out drinking and end up breaking noses and cracking skulls every weekend it's not because you are soooo good looking. He either said, or implied, he played the "I'm a SEAL" card to get out of trouble after getting into trouble with bar fights. There was a lot of weird, fucked up hazing stories too The parts of the book where he was deployed are great, but a lot of the rest of the book had me going , now maybe that was BS too, who knows.He had a bunch of stupid shit like that in the book that he should have left out. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:27:24 PM EDT
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I can't quote it because I have the audiobook, but Kyle talked about the SEALs going out to bars and getting in fights all the time. He made some argument that it wasn't their fault, people picked fights with them because they were so awesome and all the girls in the bar would be falling all over them, but when you go out drinking and end up breaking noses and cracking skulls every weekend it's not because you are soooo good looking. He either said, or implied, he played the "I'm a SEAL" card to get out of trouble after getting into trouble with bar fights. There was a lot of weird, fucked up hazing stories too The parts of the book where he was deployed are great, but a lot of the rest of the book had me going , now maybe that was BS too, who knows.
They KNOW they are better than anyone else in the place, they are REALLY good fighters, and they never back down. Combine that with your typical redneck bar dwellers who don't know the error of what they are doing, and you can do the math. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:32:00 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They KNOW they are better than anyone else in the place, they are REALLY good fighters, and they never back down. Combine that with your typical redneck bar dwellers who don't know the error of what they are doing, and you can do the math. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I can't quote it because I have the audiobook, but Kyle talked about the SEALs going out to bars and getting in fights all the time. He made some argument that it wasn't their fault, people picked fights with them because they were so awesome and all the girls in the bar would be falling all over them, but when you go out drinking and end up breaking noses and cracking skulls every weekend it's not because you are soooo good looking. He either said, or implied, he played the "I'm a SEAL" card to get out of trouble after getting into trouble with bar fights. There was a lot of weird, fucked up hazing stories too The parts of the book where he was deployed are great, but a lot of the rest of the book had me going , now maybe that was BS too, who knows.They KNOW they are better than anyone else in the place, they are REALLY good fighters, and they never back down. Combine that with your typical redneck bar dwellers who don't know the error of what they are doing, and you can do the math. |
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Posted: 7/25/2014 7:35:45 PM EDT
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I can't quote it because I have the audiobook, but Kyle talked about the SEALs going out to bars and getting in fights all the time. He made some argument that it wasn't their fault, people picked fights with them because they were so awesome and all the girls in the bar would be falling all over them, but when you go out drinking and end up breaking noses and cracking skulls every weekend it's not because you are soooo good looking. He either said, or implied, he played the "I'm a SEAL" card to get out of trouble after getting into trouble with bar fights. There was a lot of weird, fucked up hazing stories too The parts of the book where he was deployed are great, but a lot of the rest of the book had me going , now maybe that was BS too, who knows.
They KNOW they are better than anyone else in the place, they are REALLY good fighters, and they never back down. Combine that with your typical redneck bar dwellers who don't know the error of what they are doing, and you can do the math. 
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:06:20 AM EDT
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I can't quote it because I have the audiobook, but Kyle talked about the SEALs going out to bars and getting in fights all the time. He made some argument that it wasn't their fault, people picked fights with them because they were so awesome and all the girls in the bar would be falling all over them, but when you go out drinking and end up breaking noses and cracking skulls every weekend it's not because you are soooo good looking. He either said, or implied, he played the "I'm a SEAL" card to get out of trouble after getting into trouble with bar fights. There was a lot of weird, fucked up hazing stories too The parts of the book where he was deployed are great, but a lot of the rest of the book had me going , now maybe that was BS too, who knows.
They KNOW they are better than anyone else in the place, they are REALLY good fighters, and they never back down. Combine that with your typical redneck bar dwellers who don't know the error of what they are doing, and you can do the math.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 2:24:31 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2014 3:51:26 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2014 4:15:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2014 10:57:01 AM EDT
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Posted: 7/26/2014 11:22:24 AM EDT
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Even if he doesn't lose in the case, he has lost in the court of public opinion. So much this How so? His fan-club is prolly made up of folks unlike 1/2 here... I used to like him before he went looney tunes. After that, I just didn't care, and thought him to just be an asshole. When the altercation allegation came out, it didn't change my opinion of him that much, if at all. When he kept on with the lawsuit after CK died, then he became a shit-stained douchebag in my mind. Leave the man's family out of it. You don't take from widows and orphans, even rich ones, regardless of whether the man was an asshole or not. His actions with this suit have made me dislike him more than a comment or altercation would have. |
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Posted: 7/26/2014 12:29:38 PM EDT
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...... You don't take from widows and orphans, even rich ones, regardless of whether the man was an asshole or not..... So............if Michael Bloomberg caused an accident that left you injured, totaled your car and left you unable to ever work again: I presume you think it okay to sue the rich bastard if he survived? If Bloomberg was killed in the accident you wouldn't sue his estate? What if you filed suit while Bloomberg was alive and before it came to trial, he died? I'm sure you would drop the lawsuit and make do best you can.
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Posted: 7/26/2014 12:33:58 PM EDT
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So............if Michael Bloomberg caused an accident that left you injured, totaled your car and left you unable to ever work again: I presume you think it okay to sue the rich bastard if he survived? If Bloomberg was killed in the accident you wouldn't sue his estate? What if you filed suit while Bloomberg was alive and before it came to trial, he died? I'm sure you would drop the lawsuit and make do best you can.
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There is a significant difference between Bloomberg money and the money involved in the Kyle Estate, and before someone brings up writers' insurance I have already posted that writer's insurance tops out at $1 million and no one has been able to post anything suggesting that the Publisher's Insurance against liable will cover the Kyle estate. Bloomberg could lose a $5 -$15 million suit and never even know it unless someone told him and showed him his P&L statement, the same can not be said of the Kyle family. |
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