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Posted: 1/25/2016 7:03:15 PM EDT
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It's pretty close, but if I had to use my BumpSAW back in Iraq, I would say it would only maybe work from defensive positions. I think if you trained on it enough, you might get it... But as I always say, if the ruskies are parachuting in over calumet, the NFA is irrelevant. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What's the best stock to go with? I know they all ah e their advantages but from everyone here who has tried them all, what do I get? And do any had a qd strap on the stock? I believe the general consensus is the Fostech DefenAR15 is the best made... the rest are basically plastic and the same. - Clint Agreed. 
Looks good and well made. That being said I'll wait for the price to come down a little bit. Quick question, do you think bump stocks have a place in real world battlefield applications? I'm completely ignorant to them I admit. I've never held or shot one but my concern would be having to "float" the stock to get it to bumpfire under stress in a firefight. Also, the trigger block that's built in to the stock, seems like that would be a hindrance when shooting semi / precision shots. It's pretty close, but if I had to use my BumpSAW back in Iraq, I would say it would only maybe work from defensive positions. I think if you trained on it enough, you might get it... But as I always say, if the ruskies are parachuting in over calumet, the NFA is irrelevant. |
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Posted: 1/25/2016 7:34:32 PM EDT
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Did I miss your reply in that quote tree?
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Posted: 1/31/2016 2:14:13 AM EDT
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Posted: 1/31/2016 2:20:34 AM EDT
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Slide fire is offering the BFR for sale again.... http://www.slidefire.com/products/rifles/bfr-556a I've been staring at those for few weeks... that is a good price comparatively speaking. Unfortunately I would be in for one if they were $2500... but not $3500! 
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Posted: 1/31/2016 2:34:35 AM EDT
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Ya... I waited too. They were originally $6000.... I waited some more. $5500. And then I forgot about it for awhile and boom.... $3500... I purchased at 3500.
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Posted: 1/31/2016 4:09:27 AM EDT
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Ya... I waited too. They were originally $6000.... I waited some more. $5500. And then I forgot about it for awhile and boom.... $3500... I purchased at 3500. Cool.... the Valkyrie without the bumpfire stock is still $4500, lol - Clint |
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Posted: 1/31/2016 8:51:41 PM EDT
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I just wish they would sell the upper/lower/BC/system. I'd pay $2k for all of that.
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Posted: 2/2/2016 2:53:37 AM EDT
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I just wish they would sell the upper/lower/BC/system. I'd pay $2k for all of that. me too - Clint |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 3:06:17 AM EDT
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I just moved to a new state and I'm looking for a new range to shoot/test mine at. I'm running my same setup, a spikes lower with a Jard 1.5# single stage trigger on a Colt 604 upper with a Colt M16 bcg, with a DefendAR15. I've got a NiB bcg that I want to see if it will increase the rate of fire. After seeing what the light weight bcg will do I might have to order one. Thinking about trying a Geissle trigger and switching to an M4 upper. I ran a couple different M4 uppers and the rate of fire was much slower than what I could get out of my 604 upper. I've got a unknown buffer in it and think that may have been the reason. Let's keep this thing going. Geissele high speed has a 4.4 millisecond lock time (.0044 seconds), a stock trigger has about 10ms (.010s) and a JARD I believe is closer to 16ms (.016s). Considering a ROF of 900RPM, you have a cycle time of .066s. So a Geissele high speed is reaching the firing pin in about 6.66% of the cycle time. A JARD is taking about 24.25% of the cycle time to reach the firing pin. What do you recommend? And what are you using? You could probably take any trigger and use a lighter hammer spring. That's likely how JARD, or whoever, gets the pull weight down, which of course leads to a longer lock time. |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 11:47:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You could probably take any trigger and use a lighter hammer spring. That's likely how JARD, or whoever, gets the pull weight down, which of course leads to a longer lock time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I just moved to a new state and I'm looking for a new range to shoot/test mine at. I'm running my same setup, a spikes lower with a Jard 1.5# single stage trigger on a Colt 604 upper with a Colt M16 bcg, with a DefendAR15. I've got a NiB bcg that I want to see if it will increase the rate of fire. After seeing what the light weight bcg will do I might have to order one. Thinking about trying a Geissle trigger and switching to an M4 upper. I ran a couple different M4 uppers and the rate of fire was much slower than what I could get out of my 604 upper. I've got a unknown buffer in it and think that may have been the reason. Let's keep this thing going. Geissele high speed has a 4.4 millisecond lock time (.0044 seconds), a stock trigger has about 10ms (.010s) and a JARD I believe is closer to 16ms (.016s). Considering a ROF of 900RPM, you have a cycle time of .066s. So a Geissele high speed is reaching the firing pin in about 6.66% of the cycle time. A JARD is taking about 24.25% of the cycle time to reach the firing pin. What do you recommend? And what are you using? You could probably take any trigger and use a lighter hammer spring. That's likely how JARD, or whoever, gets the pull weight down, which of course leads to a longer lock time.  |
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Posted: 2/2/2016 9:40:07 PM EDT
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I think your right. Maybe I should try my SD3G with a yellow hammer spring Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I just moved to a new state and I'm looking for a new range to shoot/test mine at. I'm running my same setup, a spikes lower with a Jard 1.5# single stage trigger on a Colt 604 upper with a Colt M16 bcg, with a DefendAR15. I've got a NiB bcg that I want to see if it will increase the rate of fire. After seeing what the light weight bcg will do I might have to order one. Thinking about trying a Geissle trigger and switching to an M4 upper. I ran a couple different M4 uppers and the rate of fire was much slower than what I could get out of my 604 upper. I've got a unknown buffer in it and think that may have been the reason. Let's keep this thing going. Geissele high speed has a 4.4 millisecond lock time (.0044 seconds), a stock trigger has about 10ms (.010s) and a JARD I believe is closer to 16ms (.016s). Considering a ROF of 900RPM, you have a cycle time of .066s. So a Geissele high speed is reaching the firing pin in about 6.66% of the cycle time. A JARD is taking about 24.25% of the cycle time to reach the firing pin. What do you recommend? And what are you using? You could probably take any trigger and use a lighter hammer spring. That's likely how JARD, or whoever, gets the pull weight down, which of course leads to a longer lock time. ...and then solder on some weight...
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:24:51 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryHoly fuck!  Is that with the binary trigger? It's MP5/UZI speed territory
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:34:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck! Is that with the binary trigger? It's MP5/UZI speed territoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Holy fuck! Is that with the binary trigger? It's MP5/UZI speed territory |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:38:12 AM EDT
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Slidefire style, and it's faster. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy fuck! Is that with the binary trigger? It's MP5/UZI speed territoryForced me to buy another trigger form JSE. Too bad the original debadged ones disappeared. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:38:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I really need a good camera for this kind of stuff. Any recommendations? Also, I was thinking about dropping the money on one of the new slide fire stocks and painting it brown for the 3rd BumpSAW. Anyone have one? I can't remember seeing one in this thread. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:41:41 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Forced me to buy another trigger form JSE. Too bad the original debadged ones disappeared. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Holy fuck! Is that with the binary trigger? It's MP5/UZI speed territoryForced me to buy another trigger form JSE. Too bad the original debadged ones disappeared. My binary trigger gets a pretty steady 700RPM or so. Occasionally I will get a couple off faster, but I can't keep my trigger finger moving fast enough to sustain it. Here is my binary setup with a Magpul 60.  |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:57:36 AM EDT
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Yeah, the debadged BRO's were a good deal. I think the $99 Rise armament is pretty similar though. I might try one if I get another single stage AR trigger. My binary trigger gets a pretty steady 700RPM or so. Occasionally I will get a couple off faster, but I can't keep my trigger finger moving fast enough to sustain it. Here is my binary setup with a Magpul 60. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=85040 Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy fuck! Is that with the binary trigger? It's MP5/UZI speed territoryForced me to buy another trigger form JSE. Too bad the original debadged ones disappeared. My binary trigger gets a pretty steady 700RPM or so. Occasionally I will get a couple off faster, but I can't keep my trigger finger moving fast enough to sustain it. Here is my binary setup with a Magpul 60. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=85040 I'll let you know how the trigger works this saturday. Just finished my build with the whisky arms aluminum carrier. Bringing a few different uppers to try with it and get it dialed in. I bought the 3.5# rise single stage trigger here and should be able to get out saturday and check it out. I just have the old $99 bumpfiresystems stock, so we'll see how it all goes! |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:01:59 AM EDT
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Nice, I have a feeling you'll be putting down some fast numbers.
I bought some RedX 7.62x39 firing pins for my Aluminum carrier and the AIM LW that's in my binary gun. Hopefully that will help solve the hammer follow in my new bump gun. I may grease the stock as well. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:17:07 AM EDT
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Nice, I have a feeling you'll be putting down some fast numbers. I bought some RedX 7.62x39 firing pins for my Aluminum carrier and the AIM LW that's in my binary gun. Hopefully that will help solve the hammer follow in my new bump gun. I may grease the stock as well. I ordered this titanium one to try and keep weight down too. Only thing I'm waiting on so far here |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:20:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I ordered this titanium one to try and keep weight down too. Only thing I'm waiting on so far here Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nice, I have a feeling you'll be putting down some fast numbers. I bought some RedX 7.62x39 firing pins for my Aluminum carrier and the AIM LW that's in my binary gun. Hopefully that will help solve the hammer follow in my new bump gun. I may grease the stock as well. I ordered this titanium one to try and keep weight down too. Only thing I'm waiting on so far here |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:24:57 AM EDT
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I'll let you know how the trigger works this saturday. Just finished my build with the whisky arms aluminum carrier. Bringing a few different uppers to try with it and get it dialed in. I bought the 3.5# rise single stage trigger here and should be able to get out saturday and check it out. I just have the old $99 bumpfiresystems stock, so we'll see how it all goes! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Holy fuck! Is that with the binary trigger? It's MP5/UZI speed territoryForced me to buy another trigger form JSE. Too bad the original debadged ones disappeared. My binary trigger gets a pretty steady 700RPM or so. Occasionally I will get a couple off faster, but I can't keep my trigger finger moving fast enough to sustain it. Here is my binary setup with a Magpul 60. http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=85040 I'll let you know how the trigger works this saturday. Just finished my build with the whisky arms aluminum carrier. Bringing a few different uppers to try with it and get it dialed in. I bought the 3.5# rise single stage trigger here and should be able to get out saturday and check it out. I just have the old $99 bumpfiresystems stock, so we'll see how it all goes! FYI JSE has the same Rise Armament triggers for $95. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:42:52 AM EDT
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Nice, can you measure it's over all length when it comes in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice, I have a feeling you'll be putting down some fast numbers. I bought some RedX 7.62x39 firing pins for my Aluminum carrier and the AIM LW that's in my binary gun. Hopefully that will help solve the hammer follow in my new bump gun. I may grease the stock as well. I ordered this titanium one to try and keep weight down too. Only thing I'm waiting on so far here Yes sir, hope to have it today or tomorrow. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 11:55:11 AM EDT
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Jaqufrost : God dang 1400 rpm is insane fast. So it's the 14.5 and jard trigger making it run like that?
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Posted: 2/3/2016 12:01:28 PM EDT
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Jaqufrost : God dang 1400 rpm is insane fast. So it's the 14.5 and jard trigger making it run like that? biggest thing that i've taken away is the bolt/carrier weight is the biggest part of speeding it up. Trigger helps, but the cycling weight being cut down and a powerful buffer spring to throw it back into place seems to be what it is. edit: also gas system makes a difference too. I've got 3 uppers I'm going to try at rifle/mid and carbine to check those out. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 12:05:45 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jaqufrost : God dang 1400 rpm is insane fast. So it's the 14.5 and jard trigger making it run like that? |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 2:15:02 PM EDT
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biggest thing that i've taken away is the bolt/carrier weight is the biggest part of speeding it up. Trigger helps, but the cycling weight being cut down and a powerful buffer spring to throw it back into place seems to be what it is. edit: also gas system makes a difference too. I've got 3 uppers I'm going to try at rifle/mid and carbine to check those out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Jaqufrost : God dang 1400 rpm is insane fast. So it's the 14.5 and jard trigger making it run like that? biggest thing that i've taken away is the bolt/carrier weight is the biggest part of speeding it up. Trigger helps, but the cycling weight being cut down and a powerful buffer spring to throw it back into place seems to be what it is. edit: also gas system makes a difference too. I've got 3 uppers I'm going to try at rifle/mid and carbine to check those out. The weight of the rifle matters quite a bit in RoF as well. |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 2:29:09 PM EDT
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I really need to pull my 18" setup down and open the gas port.
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Posted: 2/3/2016 6:29:38 PM EDT
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Anyone looking for an AIM LW carrier should grab one, they just came back in stock.
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:12:07 PM EDT
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Anyone looking for an AIM LW carrier should grab one, they just came back in stock.http://www.aimsurplus.com/product.aspx?item=XAIMBCGN3LW&name=Light+Weight+AIM+AR+.223%2f5.56+Nitride+9310+MPI+Bolt+Carrier+Group&search=light+weight Shit... I had a tab open at work but I was too busy to finish the transaction... Sold out |
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Posted: 2/3/2016 10:26:27 PM EDT
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Sorry. I think granite outdoors has some NIB ones for $130 if you don't want to wait.
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Posted: 2/6/2016 3:46:54 PM EDT
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Another weekend of not being able to get out shooting. I have some extra money to spend on BumpSAW parts. Suggestions?
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Posted: 2/6/2016 3:54:28 PM EDT
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308 build?
I want to get one of the 50rd drums for mine. I haven't built the stock yet, so I'm thinking about just using an echo trigger. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 3:57:56 PM EDT
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308 build? I want to get one of the 50rd drums for mine. I haven't built the stock yet, so I'm thinking about just using an echo trigger. Not a terrible idea. Fun fact: I have never owned a rifle in .308 in my 18 years of owning guns.  I got pretty close when I found a deal on a couple FALs/L1A1s, but my friend always brought all his out and it scratched my itch. The post panic price of ammo has made that caliber even less attractive.
I am kinda thinking an AK mag compatible AR would be a fun one and use the 75 round drums. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 4:02:08 PM EDT
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I'm staying away from 7.62x39 for now. I'm worried about ignition problems with most of the triggers that work well in bump builds.
Perhaps an Armalite 7.62x39 two stage would solve the problem. I'll be running a bunch of ZQI 7.62x51 in my build. It's a little over $9/box. |
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Posted: 2/6/2016 5:30:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Another weekend of not being able to get out shooting. I have some extra money to spend on BumpSAW parts. Suggestions? Offset sights so you can run one upside down?
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Posted: 2/6/2016 11:17:58 PM EDT
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Offset sights so you can run one upside down? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 2/7/2016 12:15:04 AM EDT
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Went out looking for random gun stuff. The only thing BumpSAW related I found was a unbranded AR-10 buffer spring. It's objectively heavier for sure. Hopefully it isn't too stiff for TULA.
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Posted: 2/7/2016 3:39:33 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/7/2016 6:28:54 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The stock is upside down as well, so you'd need a left-handed bump stock. Your hand sits on the now-right hand side of the Bump-BREN. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Another weekend of not being able to get out shooting. I have some extra money to spend on BumpSAW parts. Suggestions? Offset sights so you can run one upside down? How do I activate the trigger? The stock is upside down as well, so you'd need a left-handed bump stock. Your hand sits on the now-right hand side of the Bump-BREN. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 12:35:02 PM EDT
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Nice, can you measure it's over all length when it comes in? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nice, I have a feeling you'll be putting down some fast numbers. I bought some RedX 7.62x39 firing pins for my Aluminum carrier and the AIM LW that's in my binary gun. Hopefully that will help solve the hammer follow in my new bump gun. I may grease the stock as well. I ordered this titanium one to try and keep weight down too. Only thing I'm waiting on so far here I am going to have to borrow a set of dial calipers as visually I don't see a difference in the firing pins, but it may be very minuscule. |
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Posted: 2/7/2016 12:37:43 PM EDT
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It's a little faster 
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Holy shit, that thing sounds almost identical to a MG42.
I've shot a MG34, really fun with 1100RPM+ ROF. But that's less dangerous than an mg42 because it's not classified as a MG. 
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Posted: 2/8/2016 12:00:35 PM EDT
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Has anyone made it work with a dedicated .22 AR15? Not a S&W .22 style, but a regular ar15 with a drop-in conversion or dedicated barrel and bolt.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 4:50:34 PM EDT
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I finally got around to installing my Defendar stock on my Colt LE6920. Included...Geiselle SD-E trigger, AAC SR-7 can, BCM KMR Alpha 15" rail with BCM small VFG, Trijicon MRO with Larue mount. Have some fun mags with this, including the Surefire 100 rounder and an X-Products 50 rounder. FUN.
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Posted: 2/8/2016 5:04:46 PM EDT
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Has anyone made it work with a dedicated .22 AR15? Not a S&W .22 style, but a regular ar15 with a drop-in conversion or dedicated barrel and bolt. I personally have yet to see it done. I think the weight to recoil ratio might be insufficient. |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 5:05:33 PM EDT
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I finally got around to installing my Defendar stock on my Colt LE6920. Included...Geiselle SD-E trigger, AAC SR-7 can, BCM KMR Alpha 15" rail with BCM small VFG, Trijicon MRO with Larue mount. Have some fun mags with this, including the Surefire 100 rounder and an X-Products 50 rounder. FUN. http://postimg.org/image/u00od9i3t/ http://<a href=http://s28.postimg.org/ftkxi178t/BUMP.jpg</a> post a picture" /> http://<a href=http://s28.postimg.org/u00od9i3t/BUMP.jpg</a>" /> Damn... You'll need an E-tool if you want to use that mag with a bipod...
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Posted: 2/8/2016 6:33:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/8/2016 6:55:06 PM EDT
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Another weekend of not being able to get out shooting. I have some extra money to spend on BumpSAW parts. Suggestions? RPK or RPK74 Edit: If you want to stay with an AR have you thought about 5.45x39 or 300BLK |
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Posted: 2/8/2016 11:27:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2016 5:36:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 2/9/2016 6:54:14 PM EDT
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