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Posted: 6/23/2014 10:57:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ebola just isn't the bogyman they make it out to be. Stay away from bodily fluids, and you'll be fine. It can't get through your skin and is unstable outside the human body. If it wasn't for their funeral custom, that the family and friends wash and prepare the body of their dearly departed, there wouldn't be 337 dead. I'm not saying they have to completely give up the practice, just don't do it with people who've died from hemorrhagic fever. If Batu was bleeding from his nose, ears, eyes, and mouth, and his skin was sloughing off...don't touch him. Problem solved. Ebola doesn't appear to spread very easy. I doubt an outbreak in a western country would go far. |
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Posted: 6/23/2014 11:51:39 PM EDT
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Captain, Captain Trips that is... Baby can you dig your man? M-O-O-N that spells flesh-eating bacteria |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 12:43:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M-O-O-N that spells flesh-eating bacteria Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Captain, Captain Trips that is... Baby can you dig your man? M-O-O-N that spells flesh-eating bacteria |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 12:52:10 AM EDT
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Nice job OP, you fleshed out a few 88s The expression is, "flushed out". Fleshed out has a different meaning altogether. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 7:59:37 AM EDT
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Exactly. It's not particularly dangerous in a modern western country. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ebola just isn't the bogyman they make it out to be. Stay away from bodily fluids, and you'll be fine. It can't get through your skin and is unstable outside the human body. If it wasn't for their funeral custom, that the family and friends wash and prepare the body of their dearly departed, there wouldn't be 337 dead. I'm not saying they have to completely give up the practice, just don't do it with people who've died from hemorrhagic fever. If Batu was bleeding from his nose, ears, eyes, and mouth, and his skin was sloughing off...don't touch him. Problem solved. Ebola doesn't appear to spread very easy. I doubt an outbreak in a western country would go far. Exactly. It's not particularly dangerous in a modern western country. Considering that this is an unprecidented outbreak and it takes things to be extremely obvious for the WHO to declare anything and then they always understate things and there are 60 unprecidented hot spots and the WHO always releases old data because they take so long to analyse everything, I would think it would be fair to say that there has more than likely been a mutation that is more adapted to more easily spread in people. Just a long winded observation. ETA. nevermind, it is MSF, not Who. See how slow WHO is to react to anything? |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:10:47 AM EDT
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They tore that lab down several years back - literally sterilizing *EVERYTHING* as they tore it down, treating it as a bio-hazard site, and from what I was told, doubled-down and sent the debris to an incinerator, just to be sure. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... They tore that lab down several years back - literally sterilizing *EVERYTHING* as they tore it down, treating it as a bio-hazard site, and from what I was told, doubled-down and sent the debris to an incinerator, just to be sure. they even incinerated the dirt from the site. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:11:39 AM EDT
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I believe that this is the first time Ebola has reached a city, a travel hub. In the past this virus has been confined to small villages or the bush. We shall see what happens next.
As the city is Guinea's international travel hub, an outbreak in the capital could pose the biggest threat of an epidemic. First new Ebola cases have been recorded in Guinea's capital Conakry since more than a month, while other previously unaffected areas have also reported infections in the past week, according to the World Health Organization. link |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:13:25 AM EDT
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According to the book, some humans did in fact test positive for antibodies to the ebola virus, so they'd apparently been infected. Just that that particular strain wasn't particularly harmful to humans. It's probably just a matter of time before there's a strain, like Reston, that is airborne transmissible and that is deadly to humans. There is, or used to be, a member of this website who was on the Reston cleanup/decontamination detail. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... Absolutely false. It never infected any humans. According to the book, some humans did in fact test positive for antibodies to the ebola virus, so they'd apparently been infected. Just that that particular strain wasn't particularly harmful to humans. It's probably just a matter of time before there's a strain, like Reston, that is airborne transmissible and that is deadly to humans. There is, or used to be, a member of this website who was on the Reston cleanup/decontamination detail. I went to a seminar a few years ago on Biologic Containment and this was brought up. people tested positive for exposure with were asymptomatic. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:23:50 AM EDT
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my wife is an Immunology Technologist and works on mostly with infectious disease. I have worked that same job in my career. these bugs fascinate us, only because of their capabilities.
for years I argued that the HIV could be aerosolized and was scoffed at.by medical professionals. later in the veterinary lab, I was involved in a some epidemiology work from an EIA outbreak in Ireland and in the meetings with the Federal and State officials it was documented that many of the horses in the birthing barn had tested positive after an aerosolized, short duration exposure- something that for 20 years was assured could not be done, but I highly suspected. HIV is extremely close to EIA ( they will cross react on testing in some cases). testing for HIV is a P24, EIA is P26. I started to write a paper to be published, but backed out due to numerous issues. sooner or later aerosolized transmission will occur in these pathogens. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:25:10 AM EDT
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I believe that this is the first time Ebola has reached a city, a travel hub. In the past this virus has been confined to small villages or the bush. We shall see what happens next. link Quote HistoryQuoted:
I believe that this is the first time Ebola has reached a city, a travel hub. In the past this virus has been confined to small villages or the bush. We shall see what happens next. As the city is Guinea's international travel hub, an outbreak in the capital could pose the biggest threat of an epidemic. First new Ebola cases have been recorded in Guinea's capital Conakry since more than a month, while other previously unaffected areas have also reported infections in the past week, according to the World Health Organization. link this is an easy fix, quarantine travel. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:31:23 AM EDT
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This. The reason HIV was able to spread all over the world is because infected persons didn't know they were infected until months or even years afterwards, allowing them to travel all over the world and infect dozens, if not hundreds, of other persons. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... Absolutely false. It never infected any humans. We go through this every time we have an Ebola thread. "Six of the 178 people who had contact with the infected monkeys at the Reston Quarantine Unit seroconverted. All six of the individuals worked with the primates. None of the six who seroconverted developed a filovirus-related illness. Of them, four (all of whom were animal handlers at one quarantine facility) had serologic evidence of recent infection with Ebola-Reston. It is likely that one of the four infected himself when he cut his finger while performing a necropsy on an infected monkey. The mode of transmission for the other three handlers is not known. The remaining two people were seropositive at low titer and had evidence of past infection. One of these two people is a worker at a facility that temporarily houses nonhuman primates before delivery to U.S. quarantine facilities and had had regular contact with quarantined nonhuman primates for three years. The second person was an employee at Hazleton's Texas Primate Center." To all those saying that Ebola doesn't spread easily, that's true. Even then, it spreads easier than HIV. And look how far HIV has gone. This. The reason HIV was able to spread all over the world is because infected persons didn't know they were infected until months or even years afterwards, allowing them to travel all over the world and infect dozens, if not hundreds, of other persons. It's true. Ebola doesn't really stand a chance at creating a good epidemic let alone pandemic because it just kills too plain fast. It burns itself out. Still, never underestimate human ignorance. For example, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a single case of ebola in Puerto Rico turned into 500 quite easily. But those numbers are still trifles. Yet, 500 totally preventable deaths. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:35:23 AM EDT
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The Walking Man is a dangerous dude
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:46:55 AM EDT
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I went to a seminar a few years ago on Biologic Containment and this was brought up. people tested positive for exposure with were asymptomatic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... Absolutely false. It never infected any humans. According to the book, some humans did in fact test positive for antibodies to the ebola virus, so they'd apparently been infected. Just that that particular strain wasn't particularly harmful to humans. It's probably just a matter of time before there's a strain, like Reston, that is airborne transmissible and that is deadly to humans. There is, or used to be, a member of this website who was on the Reston cleanup/decontamination detail. I went to a seminar a few years ago on Biologic Containment and this was brought up. people tested positive for exposure with were asymptomatic. I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:49:37 AM EDT
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Paging Captain Tripps..........
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:55:12 AM EDT
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Infectious thread.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 8:56:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... Absolutely false. It never infected any humans. According to the book, some humans did in fact test positive for antibodies to the ebola virus, so they'd apparently been infected. Just that that particular strain wasn't particularly harmful to humans. It's probably just a matter of time before there's a strain, like Reston, that is airborne transmissible and that is deadly to humans. There is, or used to be, a member of this website who was on the Reston cleanup/decontamination detail. I went to a seminar a few years ago on Biologic Containment and this was brought up. people tested positive for exposure with were asymptomatic. I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. Not only do I think morbidity would be much, much lower in North America or Europe, I think mortality would as well. I don't think Ebola is anything close to the level of threat represented by the bugs of science fiction. So, not only is Ebola NOT like King's Captain Trips, it's not even as much of a threat as the Spanish flu. I just don't think it's a huge threat to first world countries. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:00:44 AM EDT
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It's true. Ebola doesn't really stand a chance at creating a good epidemic let alone pandemic because it just kills too plain fast. It burns itself out. Still, never underestimate human ignorance. For example, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a single case of ebola in Puerto Rico turned into 500 quite easily. But those numbers are still trifles. Yet, 500 totally preventable deaths. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Absolutely false. It never infected any humans. We go through this every time we have an Ebola thread. "Six of the 178 people who had contact with the infected monkeys at the Reston Quarantine Unit seroconverted. All six of the individuals worked with the primates. None of the six who seroconverted developed a filovirus-related illness. Of them, four (all of whom were animal handlers at one quarantine facility) had serologic evidence of recent infection with Ebola-Reston. It is likely that one of the four infected himself when he cut his finger while performing a necropsy on an infected monkey. The mode of transmission for the other three handlers is not known. The remaining two people were seropositive at low titer and had evidence of past infection. One of these two people is a worker at a facility that temporarily houses nonhuman primates before delivery to U.S. quarantine facilities and had had regular contact with quarantined nonhuman primates for three years. The second person was an employee at Hazleton's Texas Primate Center." To all those saying that Ebola doesn't spread easily, that's true. Even then, it spreads easier than HIV. And look how far HIV has gone. This. The reason HIV was able to spread all over the world is because infected persons didn't know they were infected until months or even years afterwards, allowing them to travel all over the world and infect dozens, if not hundreds, of other persons. It's true. Ebola doesn't really stand a chance at creating a good epidemic let alone pandemic because it just kills too plain fast. It burns itself out. Still, never underestimate human ignorance. For example, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a single case of ebola in Puerto Rico turned into 500 quite easily. But those numbers are still trifles. Yet, 500 totally preventable deaths. In the past the incubation period has been 3 days. I think you missed the part that this new strain has a 21 day incubation period and during that 21 days people are contagious. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:04:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ebola isn't airborne. It can only survive in bodily fluids. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Honestly let's say hypothetically New York gets the unlucky plane. Infected guy walks down through town and he has some jungle killing Ebola in every cough. Not to mention the 100+ on the plane with him. How fast would it spread in the States? What PPE is required to improve your chances? Ebola isn't airborne. It can only survive in bodily fluids. For now . . . . . |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:04:47 AM EDT
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In the past the incubation period has been 3 days. I think you missed the part that this new strain has a 21 day incubation period and during that 21 days people are contagious. I did miss that. Fascinating!  21 days.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:07:57 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Baby can you dig your man? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Captain, Captain Trips that is... Baby can you dig your man? M-O-O-N spells ebola  beequewl beat me to it  |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:08:09 AM EDT
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:09:20 AM EDT
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... That is a good reason to have enough food and water to isolate yourself for several weeks. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:12:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did miss that. Fascinating! 21 days. That increases the odds a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the past the incubation period has been 3 days. I think you missed the part that this new strain has a 21 day incubation period and during that 21 days people are contagious. I did miss that. Fascinating! 21 days. That increases the odds a bit.  ffffuuuuuuuuuuuck  How long before folks leaving Afrika get stuck in a 30 day quarantine ?  |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:31:06 AM EDT
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How long before folks leaving Afrika get stuck in a 30 day quarantine ?
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In the past the incubation period has been 3 days. I think you missed the part that this new strain has a 21 day incubation period and during that 21 days people are contagious. I did miss that. Fascinating! 21 days.
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How long before folks leaving Afrika get stuck in a 30 day quarantine ?
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:35:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did miss that. Fascinating! 21 days. That increases the odds a bit. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: In the past the incubation period has been 3 days. I think you missed the part that this new strain has a 21 day incubation period and during that 21 days people are contagious. I did miss that. Fascinating! 21 days. That increases the odds a bit. Just be glad this isn't a suped up Zaire strain. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 9:44:01 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryIt needs more cowbell! I got a fever, and the only cure is more cowbell. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:32:33 AM EDT
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... They tore that lab down several years back - literally sterilizing *EVERYTHING* as they tore it down, treating it as a bio-hazard site, and from what I was told, doubled-down and sent the debris to an incinerator, just to be sure. they even incinerated the dirt from the site. Yeah, forgot about that part... They razed their other campus on Rt. 7, just outside Tysons back in JAN/FEB time-frame of this year, and though it's uber-prime real estate, location-wise, nobody's touched it. Local rumor control has it that the ground may be contaminated (though what they believe it's contaminated with, I haven't heard), so the place has turned into a dandelion and brush-grass farm now.... |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:34:32 AM EDT
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Places not to go for vacation
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Posted: 6/24/2014 10:41:50 AM EDT
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Ebola just isn't the bogyman they make it out to be. Stay away from bodily fluids, and you'll be fine. It can't get through your skin and is unstable outside the human body. If it wasn't for their funeral custom, that the family and friends wash and prepare the body of their dearly departed, there wouldn't be 337 dead. I'm not saying they have to completely give up the practice, just don't do it with people who've died from hemorrhagic fever. If Batu was bleeding from his nose, ears, eyes, and mouth, and his skin was sloughing off...don't touch him. Problem solved. Ebola doesn't appear to spread very easy. I doubt an outbreak in a western country would go far. Exactly. It's not particularly dangerous in a modern western country. Unless it mutates, which Reston did, although (thankfully) not in a lethal form. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 5:30:37 PM EDT
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It's true. Ebola doesn't really stand a chance at creating a good epidemic let alone pandemic because it just kills too plain fast. It burns itself out. Still, never underestimate human ignorance. For example, I wouldn't be surprised at all if a single case of ebola in Puerto Rico turned into 500 quite easily. But those numbers are still trifles. Yet, 500 totally preventable deaths. Unless this current problem is caused not by easier transmission, but in fact a longer delay between infection and symptoms. That is the scarier scenario. "Catch it, turn to goo, die quickly" is why it doesn't spread far, it just burns out. Lingering without symptoms allows the carrier to have more access to more people and to travel farther. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 5:33:07 PM EDT
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I did miss that. Fascinating! 21 days.
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Posted: 6/24/2014 5:38:56 PM EDT
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Ebola kills so fast it is doubtful it would turn into a mass epidemic. That and it is not airborne, yet. If it ever becomes airborne, i see that being very very bad. |
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Posted: 6/24/2014 6:14:54 PM EDT
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Ebola kills so fast it is doubtful it would turn into a mass epidemic. That and it is not airborne, yet. If it ever becomes airborne, i see that being very very bad. it must be airborne. the virus is in all bodily fluids, including sweat. What they are not saying is that mucous from sneezes and coughs are also bodily fluids. If someone coughs, mucous is expelled in tiny droplets into the air and on stuff, this is how flu spreads. 3 questions remain. How often does someone with ebola cough, how much mucous is expelled and how long does the virus remain viable on objects at room temps and humidities when in tiny mucous droplets. I would expect the seasons to have an impact on the latter, just like flu. Colder temps and less UV and it should remain viable longer. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:47:19 AM EDT
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it must be airborne. the virus is in all bodily fluids, including sweat. What they are not saying is that mucous from sneezes and coughs are also bodily fluids. If someone coughs, mucous is expelled in tiny droplets into the air and on stuff, this is how flu spreads. 3 questions remain. How often does someone with ebola cough, how much mucous is expelled and how long does the virus remain viable on objects at room temps and humidities when in tiny mucous droplets. I would expect the seasons to have an impact on the latter, just like flu. Colder temps and less UV and it should remain viable longer. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ebola kills so fast it is doubtful it would turn into a mass epidemic. That and it is not airborne, yet. If it ever becomes airborne, i see that being very very bad. it must be airborne. the virus is in all bodily fluids, including sweat. What they are not saying is that mucous from sneezes and coughs are also bodily fluids. If someone coughs, mucous is expelled in tiny droplets into the air and on stuff, this is how flu spreads. 3 questions remain. How often does someone with ebola cough, how much mucous is expelled and how long does the virus remain viable on objects at room temps and humidities when in tiny mucous droplets. I would expect the seasons to have an impact on the latter, just like flu. Colder temps and less UV and it should remain viable longer. Aerosolization is not airborne in the same way certain strains of smallpox are airborne... |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 1:57:12 AM EDT
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Meh, we need to thin the herd. People who say such cavalier things about human life are usually ignorant children or wretched wastes of oxygen. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 2:19:46 AM EDT
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6/24 update: WHO Reports 32 New Cases In West Africa
The count of Ebola virus disease (EVD) cases in West Africa has increased by 32, and 15 new deaths have been recorded, but the number of deaths attributed to confirmed cases has been revised downward, according to a World Health Organization (WHO) update today.
The WHO put the totals for Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia at 599 cases and 338 deaths, as compared with 567 cases and 359 deaths reported in the previous update on Jun 22. The case totals include confirmed, probable, and suspected cases. 22 new cases in Sierra Leone Sierra Leone now has a cumulative total of 158 cases, or 22 more than reported 2 days ago, and 4 new deaths were reported from Jun 18 to 20, the WHO said. The deaths included three in Kailahun and one in Kenema. But the WHO listed the country's cumulative deaths in confirmed cases at 34, versus 58 deaths reported in the previous update. The implication is that a number of deaths were found to have had other causes, but the statement doesn't explain further. Liberia has 10 new cases, 8 new deaths In Liberia, 10 new Ebola cases and 8 new deaths were reported from Jun 19 to 22, the WHO said. That raised the cumulative totals to 51 cases and 34 deaths. The latest cases and deaths were identified in Lofa (8 and 6) and Montserrado (2 and 2). Guinea, the birthplace of the outbreak, identified no new Ebola cases from Jun 18 to 20, but three deaths were reported, two in Gueckedou and one in Telimele, the WHO said. The country’s cumulative count is 390 cases with 270 deaths. The WHO said investigators are following up with 37 contacts of patients in Sierra Leone, 232 in Liberia, and 1,147 in Guinea. (story continues here.) |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 2:31:10 AM EDT
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Ebola kills so fast it is doubtful it would turn into a mass epidemic. That and it is not airborne, yet. Some guy is in a lab right now trying to combine ebola and bird flu. Almost certainly, yes. Not to mention that the virus could mutate naturally. I hear so many people say that "Ebola kills so quickly, that it would never be a threat". Bullshit. It already has an incubation period from 2 days to 3 weeks, and you can infect a lot of people in 3 weeks, if it went airborne. But people don't like to admit that despite all of our modern technology, a pandemic could still devastate the human race. Ever notice how when something on this planet gets overpopulated, some disease or parasite manages to get their numbers back under control? With over 7 billion of us, we might be next... |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 6:35:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: 6/24 update: WHO Reports 32 New Cases In West Africa The count of Ebola virus disease (EVD) cases in West Africa has increased by 32, and 15 new deaths have been recorded, but the number of deaths attributed to confirmed cases has been revised downward, according to a World Health Organization (WHO) update today. The WHO put the totals for Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia at 599 cases and 338 deaths, as compared with 567 cases and 359 deaths reported in the previous update on Jun 22. The case totals include confirmed, probable, and suspected cases. 22 new cases in Sierra Leone Sierra Leone now has a cumulative total of 158 cases, or 22 more than reported 2 days ago, and 4 new deaths were reported from Jun 18 to 20, the WHO said. The deaths included three in Kailahun and one in Kenema. But the WHO listed the country's cumulative deaths in confirmed cases at 34, versus 58 deaths reported in the previous update. The implication is that a number of deaths were found to have had other causes, but the statement doesn't explain further. Liberia has 10 new cases, 8 new deaths In Liberia, 10 new Ebola cases and 8 new deaths were reported from Jun 19 to 22, the WHO said. That raised the cumulative totals to 51 cases and 34 deaths. The latest cases and deaths were identified in Lofa (8 and 6) and Montserrado (2 and 2). Guinea, the birthplace of the outbreak, identified no new Ebola cases from Jun 18 to 20, but three deaths were reported, two in Gueckedou and one in Telimele, the WHO said. The country’s cumulative count is 390 cases with 270 deaths. The WHO said investigators are following up with 37 contacts of patients in Sierra Leone, 232 in Liberia, and 1,147 in Guinea. (story continues here.) People dying is never a good thing. But consider the low numbers of morbidity and mortality as a good sign. Africa is one of the best places for an infectious disease to take root and spread, particularly west Africa. Culture, poverty, illiteracy, poor sanitation, and health care all make it a great incubator for disease. The number of cases are in the 1's, 10's and 100's. ...and this is Africa. This outbreak, while terrible for those individuals it does infect, just doesn't have the characteristics of a virus that could kill thousands, much less tens or hundreds of thousands of people. It's not airborne, it's not even very good at aerosol transmission. Americans shouldn't be that concerned about this outbreak, unless they intend to travel to the effected region. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 6:48:22 AM EDT
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If friendship is magic, and magic cures diseases, we should send all the bronies to African ebola hotspots.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 7:18:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: most of us don't want to fuck/buttfuck/share needles with someone bleeding from their various orifices. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... Absolutely false. It never infected any humans. We go through this every time we have an Ebola thread. "Six of the 178 people who had contact with the infected monkeys at the Reston Quarantine Unit seroconverted. All six of the individuals worked with the primates. None of the six who seroconverted developed a filovirus-related illness. Of them, four (all of whom were animal handlers at one quarantine facility) had serologic evidence of recent infection with Ebola-Reston. It is likely that one of the four infected himself when he cut his finger while performing a necropsy on an infected monkey. The mode of transmission for the other three handlers is not known. The remaining two people were seropositive at low titer and had evidence of past infection. One of these two people is a worker at a facility that temporarily houses nonhuman primates before delivery to U.S. quarantine facilities and had had regular contact with quarantined nonhuman primates for three years. The second person was an employee at Hazleton's Texas Primate Center." To all those saying that Ebola doesn't spread easily, that's true. Even then, it spreads easier than HIV. And look how far HIV has gone. Im never coming to one of you're partys. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 7:32:19 AM EDT
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Ebola just isn't the bogyman they make it out to be. Stay away from bodily fluids, and you'll be fine. It can't get through your skin and is unstable outside the human body. If it wasn't for their funeral custom, that the family and friends wash and prepare the body of their dearly departed, there wouldn't be 337 dead. I'm not saying they have to completely give up the practice, just don't do it with people who've died from hemorrhagic fever. If Batu was bleeding from his nose, ears, eyes, and mouth, and his skin was sloughing off...don't touch him. Problem solved. Ebola doesn't appear to spread very easy. I doubt an outbreak in a western country would go far. How can we panic when people like you keep interfering with facts and common sense? Considering how many people do not bother washing their hands after visiting the head, including medical "professionals", I think you are wrong. Add to this the panic and ignorance of the general population and we have an epidemic of very large proportions. Don't forget, the incubation phase is two to three weeks, and is asymptomatic or with easily misdaignosed symptoms. By the time precaution were taken and effective it would have spread far and wide. I also doubt that the government, any government as a matter of fact, has the resources or man power to handle such an event. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 7:41:59 AM EDT
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Stop all flights from Africa and let it do its thing.
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Posted: 6/25/2014 9:40:44 AM EDT
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Not only do I think morbidity would be much, much lower in North America or Europe, I think mortality would as well. I don't think Ebola is anything close to the level of threat represented by the bugs of science fiction. So, not only is Ebola NOT like King's Captain Trips, it's not even as much of a threat as the Spanish flu. I just don't think it's a huge threat to first world countries. I do not have that opinion. an outbreak with a bug like that in a modern country would kill thousands due to our modern travel and extremely fast paced medical care. they would not be taken to a Podunk shelter, they would end up at a 500-1000 bed medical facility and infect all the staff and cross infect the patients in a matter of hours. not only have I studied this, I wrote some of the manuals that hospitals use for Chemical and Biological Triage Management. I've seen portable incinerators that will be used if necessary to sterilize the area of infected dead. the only reason these hotspots aren't worse is the seemingly low populations of outbreak and the small scale shelter hospitals ask Texas A&M about their infectious rates from their Simian Pathogens and their Biological Warfare Laboratory. I have personally worked on patients with some of the worst diseases known at the facilities I have been on staff at and worked a little girl with Plague which opened my eyes to the level of precautions needed to contain pathogens of this nature. |
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Posted: 6/25/2014 9:47:19 AM EDT
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People dying is never a good thing. But consider the low numbers of morbidity and mortality as a good sign. Africa is one of the best places for an infectious disease to take root and spread, particularly west Africa. Culture, poverty, illiteracy, poor sanitation, and health care all make it a great incubator for disease. The number of cases are in the 1's, 10's and 100's. ...and this is Africa. This outbreak, while terrible for those individuals it does infect, just doesn't have the characteristics of a virus that could kill thousands, much less tens or hundreds of thousands of people. It's not airborne, it's not even very good at aerosol transmission. Americans shouldn't be that concerned about this outbreak, unless they intend to travel to the effected region. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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6/24 update: WHO Reports 32 New Cases In West Africa The count of Ebola virus disease (EVD) cases in West Africa has increased by 32, and 15 new deaths have been recorded, but the number of deaths attributed to confirmed cases has been revised downward, according to a World Health Organization (WHO) update today.
The WHO put the totals for Guinea, Sierra Leone, and Liberia at 599 cases and 338 deaths, as compared with 567 cases and 359 deaths reported in the previous update on Jun 22. The case totals include confirmed, probable, and suspected cases. 22 new cases in Sierra Leone Sierra Leone now has a cumulative total of 158 cases, or 22 more than reported 2 days ago, and 4 new deaths were reported from Jun 18 to 20, the WHO said. The deaths included three in Kailahun and one in Kenema. But the WHO listed the country's cumulative deaths in confirmed cases at 34, versus 58 deaths reported in the previous update. The implication is that a number of deaths were found to have had other causes, but the statement doesn't explain further. Liberia has 10 new cases, 8 new deaths In Liberia, 10 new Ebola cases and 8 new deaths were reported from Jun 19 to 22, the WHO said. That raised the cumulative totals to 51 cases and 34 deaths. The latest cases and deaths were identified in Lofa (8 and 6) and Montserrado (2 and 2). Guinea, the birthplace of the outbreak, identified no new Ebola cases from Jun 18 to 20, but three deaths were reported, two in Gueckedou and one in Telimele, the WHO said. The country’s cumulative count is 390 cases with 270 deaths. The WHO said investigators are following up with 37 contacts of patients in Sierra Leone, 232 in Liberia, and 1,147 in Guinea. (story continues here.) People dying is never a good thing. But consider the low numbers of morbidity and mortality as a good sign. Africa is one of the best places for an infectious disease to take root and spread, particularly west Africa. Culture, poverty, illiteracy, poor sanitation, and health care all make it a great incubator for disease. The number of cases are in the 1's, 10's and 100's. ...and this is Africa. This outbreak, while terrible for those individuals it does infect, just doesn't have the characteristics of a virus that could kill thousands, much less tens or hundreds of thousands of people. It's not airborne, it's not even very good at aerosol transmission. Americans shouldn't be that concerned about this outbreak, unless they intend to travel to the effected region. spur of the minute world wide travel to modern countries will be the method of transport. it will come to us, not vice versa. our rates of Immigration and intercontinental travel are unrivaled in any period of modern time. Tulsa for example has hundreds of people who are from Africa and travel to their homeland every year. my good friend from ZYM just got back. another friend from Nigeria will be leaving next month. like the Norway Rat. sooner or later these bugs will travel. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:36:49 PM EDT
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I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You guys ever heard of the Reston strain? It was airborne and managed to infect some humans, but they showed no clinical signs of infection because it was not harmful to humans. It was called Reston because it happened in Virginia. So I believe it's only a matter of time before a filovirus with a significant mortality rate becomes airborne... Absolutely false. It never infected any humans. According to the book, some humans did in fact test positive for antibodies to the ebola virus, so they'd apparently been infected. Just that that particular strain wasn't particularly harmful to humans. It's probably just a matter of time before there's a strain, like Reston, that is airborne transmissible and that is deadly to humans. There is, or used to be, a member of this website who was on the Reston cleanup/decontamination detail. I went to a seminar a few years ago on Biologic Containment and this was brought up. people tested positive for exposure with were asymptomatic. I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. That would not be very hard......I just wonder how many people will die before they have this area quarantined. If it does jump the gap I will be honest I just hope the leftist area of the nation are hit badly....You want to have the 3rd world move to the 1st? Have fun with the diseases, poverty, crime, hopeless, despair, corruption, and class/race warfare... |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 7:56:10 PM EDT
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Ebola kills so fast it is doubtful it would turn into a mass epidemic. That and it is not airborne, yet. Still a scary thought. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:07:05 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That would not be very hard......I just wonder how many people will die before they have this area quarantined. If it does jump the gap I will be honest I just hope the leftist area of the nation are hit badly....You want to have the 3rd world move to the 1st? Have fun with the diseases, poverty, crime, hopeless, despair, corruption, and class/race warfare... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. That would not be very hard......I just wonder how many people will die before they have this area quarantined. If it does jump the gap I will be honest I just hope the leftist area of the nation are hit badly....You want to have the 3rd world move to the 1st? Have fun with the diseases, poverty, crime, hopeless, despair, corruption, and class/race warfare... There are other bugs that are better then Ebola. I think it's a horrible virus, and perhaps it will one day rear it's head in the U.S., but to fear that it turns into a full blown epidemic in a western country is absurd. Someone has watched too many science fiction movies. Ebola is terrible, but there is not an epidemic threat to the United State, or modern western nations. It's not even an epidemic in Africa. 60 hot spots across three countries and the death toll is only in the hundreds. Read up on the Spanish flu, that killed millions, including several hundred thousand Americans. Hell 3,000 - 49,000 Americans die of seasonal flu each year. This Ebola outbreak is nothing. Ebola just isn't very good at moving through a population. |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:21:55 PM EDT
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There are other bugs that are better then Ebola. I think it's a horrible virus, and perhaps it will one day rear it's head in the U.S., but to fear that it turns into a full blown epidemic in a western country is absurd. Someone has watched too many science fiction movies. Ebola is terrible, but there is not an epidemic threat to the United State, or modern western nations. It's not even an epidemic in Africa. 60 hot spots across three countries and the death toll is only in the hundreds. Read up on the Spanish flu, that killed millions, including several hundred thousand Americans. Hell 3,000 - 49,000 Americans die of seasonal flu each year. This Ebola outbreak is nothing. Ebola just isn't very good at moving through a population. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. That would not be very hard......I just wonder how many people will die before they have this area quarantined. If it does jump the gap I will be honest I just hope the leftist area of the nation are hit badly....You want to have the 3rd world move to the 1st? Have fun with the diseases, poverty, crime, hopeless, despair, corruption, and class/race warfare... There are other bugs that are better then Ebola. I think it's a horrible virus, and perhaps it will one day rear it's head in the U.S., but to fear that it turns into a full blown epidemic in a western country is absurd. Someone has watched too many science fiction movies. Ebola is terrible, but there is not an epidemic threat to the United State, or modern western nations. It's not even an epidemic in Africa. 60 hot spots across three countries and the death toll is only in the hundreds. Read up on the Spanish flu, that killed millions, including several hundred thousand Americans. Hell 3,000 - 49,000 Americans die of seasonal flu each year. This Ebola outbreak is nothing. Ebola just isn't very good at moving through a population. It only takes one infected person a plane.... |
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:31:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It only takes one infected person a plane.... Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I lived 1.2 miles from the Hazelton facility when this occurred. The Ebola Reston strain did infect humans; however, it was nothing short of a miracle the this strain had little effect on humans. It sure killed simians fast. To say we were extraordinarily lucky is to be guilty of a massive understatement. I also lived in the part of Africa where the current epidemic is happening. The reason it isn't spreading is this area would need to work really hard to rise to the level of "third world." The infected simply were not close enough to an international travel node to spread the disease widely before the onset of frank symptoms. Now that the disease is near the major cities, that could change. Another way it could change is if a really dedicated group of jihadists went there to be deliberately infected with the objective of getting them into Europe or the Americas before the onset of symptoms. Doing that would not be hard, it just takes a few Toyota Hi-Lux pickups and an propeller airplane or two. If we have any sense, the US and EU will declare a quarantine on this part of Africa. That would not be very hard......I just wonder how many people will die before they have this area quarantined. If it does jump the gap I will be honest I just hope the leftist area of the nation are hit badly....You want to have the 3rd world move to the 1st? Have fun with the diseases, poverty, crime, hopeless, despair, corruption, and class/race warfare... There are other bugs that are better then Ebola. I think it's a horrible virus, and perhaps it will one day rear it's head in the U.S., but to fear that it turns into a full blown epidemic in a western country is absurd. Someone has watched too many science fiction movies. Ebola is terrible, but there is not an epidemic threat to the United State, or modern western nations. It's not even an epidemic in Africa. 60 hot spots across three countries and the death toll is only in the hundreds. Read up on the Spanish flu, that killed millions, including several hundred thousand Americans. Hell 3,000 - 49,000 Americans die of seasonal flu each year. This Ebola outbreak is nothing. Ebola just isn't very good at moving through a population. It only takes one infected person a plane.... I've no doubt it's possible for someone infected with Ebola to enter the United States. I have no doubt that should that happen they might infect other people. What I do doubt is that Ebola could ever turn into a full blown epidemic in the United States, or any other wealthy industrialized nation. Its not even an epidemic in Africa. For a variety of reason Ebola just isn't equipped to spread through a population like some other viruses.
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Posted: 6/28/2014 8:38:20 PM EDT
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