I'd shed a joyful tear.

Maybe the IRS outsourced their e-mail support to DISA?

Pure absolute bullshit. I just went through Federal Information Systems Security Awareness + Privacy and Records Management (FISSA+) training. ALL emails are to be stored, then sent to NARA (National Archive Records Administration) for archival. Obviously you don't have to archive so and so's retirement party, but any information that may be pertinent for historical or litigious reasons.  

Two years worth of emails going up in smoke? Absolutely no fucking way. There should have been several archive cycles conducted during that time.

This reminds me, a few years back when the show was still on the air, I saw this quote being posted around and .gov apologizers claiming our gov wasn't THAT bad:



Anyone still able to honestly refute the first 2 statements?

Dear Congressman Stockman,
 
  KrrrrrRRRRrrrrr you're Krrrrrruuuuurrrr breaking up kkkkrrrrrrrrrrrrrr on us krrrrrrrrrrr gotta go bye KRRrrrrRRRRRR

Warmest wishes,
 Admiral Rogers, NSA

Not to worry, lads!  I'm sure the NSA has a copy or two lying around in their database....

Search parameters, what words would you use to find those emails on a scattered server(s)?

You just made a huge f-ing post to explain "bullshit" which everyone already knows.  

You can't have a selective computer glitch that deletes emails only from one person to select agencies, but leaves other emails in there.  

VLANS, dude....it's possible but UBER unlikely

Not to be a dick but vlans have jack shit to do with email and data retention


15+ years in the nerding industry   current title is Sr. Storage Architect  

The correct answer to that bullshit is, "if these emails aren't on my desk Monday at 7 am you will be held indefinitely in the capital jail. We will arrest the highest in command at the IRS each day from now until I no longer hold this office or the emails magically reappear, do I make myself clear? Then gtfo."

"I lost my income information. Sorry, can't file income taxes this year!"

That would probably work.

In other news, IRS is full of shit.

They'll most likely get away with it, too.

More evidence that this is the least transparent, MOST corrupt administration EVER!!!!!!!!!!!

Has anyone bothered to count the lamp posts on Constitution Ave. yet?

Would that help Russia?  I think Putin likes having Obama as an adversary. Putin's boy toy will do as he's told

One of my clients has some litigation going on, ALL emails for something like ten years are being retained, they've had to continuously purchase new back end storage for their email system to keep it, and even though they've since migrated corporate email to Exchange, the previous email system is being kept alive for the litigation, along with copies of several large databases, multi-terabytes of data that otherwise would have been deleted long ago.  The lawyers were TRYING to insist that we keep the old storage arrays after a migration, thinking they could somehow resurrect data off of them (good luck with that, I hadn't been told to keep them, so I did everything short of physical destruction of the drives to make sure no sensitive data could be recovered off of them, I doubt even the NSA would have had much luck recovering anything by the time I was done).



Former employer was hacked (after I left), was talking to the guy who wound up replacing me about the Hell he went through during the investigation.  He had investigators from a number of three letter agencies plus one of the big accounting firms standing over him demanding he deliver full bit-level copies of EVERY SERVER IN THE DATA CENTER, he worked for four days straight, broken only by short cat naps, pulling that all together, and every note he wrote was confiscated, if the paper was on a notepad when he wrote it, they took the whole pad, and he certainly wasn't allowed to email anything about the system configuration, not even just a list of the servers involved.  Of course, it wound up being a Windows server that was compromised, not anything our group managed, and the Russian that did it went to jail a few months ago over it and some other corporate hacking he did.



 

FBHO

They know that. We know that.  Everyone knows it.  The IRS is trying to pull the equivalent of "krrRRrr you're breaking up KrrrRRrr!!!"  

They should all go down for that simple lie, if not anything else.

Convenient, isn't it?

I read the article, didn't get much other than a computer crash and other news reports that it was Lerner's computer.  I retired from the gov't in 2008.   If her computer was connected to an agency network all her emails can be recovered.  I knew plenty of people who got burned for receiving inappropriate emails or resending inappropriate emails in Arizona.  

The emails were all archived in the agency's main office in DC and in the local servers in Arizona.  The local computer services tech could access peoples' email as part of his job and warned people to stop sending out inappropriate emails and tell their contacts to stop sending them.  People still got burned as the headquarters in DC would audit everyone's email (30,000 employees) and pull the emails up from the servers in DC.

Lerner's email that have been disappeared are one's she sent to the Obama administration.  Those would also be archived by the White House by law.

Guys, this can't be that big of a story.  There is no mention of the IRS losing Lerner's emails anywhere in the NY Times today.

ha.

They have laws requiring the proper storing of said emails.

That's a good one.

Frontier, Verizon, GMail, alumni.calpoly.edu could probably pull up any email I've ever sent/received. This is total bullshit.

90,000 employees = shit ton of time to locate email for one employee

 

Can't spell disappointment without disa.

If I was guilty, I'd get rid of evidence too.

Not a smidgen of corruption

Whoopsie Daisy....

Once you have a subpoena, is there any law that prevents the committee from just going straight to the server room of the relevant IRS headquarters and just pulling the data themselves? Why oh why are they allowing these people the play this game? Bypass them entirely.

When is enough, enough?

So I guess they'd rather take the hit for spoliation of evidence and contempt.  Must be some bad stuff in those emails, if that's their choice.

dog ate it

Criminals.  Pure and simple.

True though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_White_House_email_controversy

and

The Presidential Records Act (PRA) of 1978, 44 U.S.C. §§ 2201–2207, is an Act of Congress of the United States governing the official records of Presidents and Vice Presidents created or received after January 20, 1981, and mandating the preservation of all presidential records. The PRA changed the legal ownership of the official records of the President from private to public, and established a new statutory structure under which Presidents must manage their records.

Specifically, the Presidential Records Act:
Defines and states public ownership of the records.
Places the responsibility for the custody and management of incumbent Presidential records with the President.
Allows the incumbent President to dispose of records that no longer have administrative, historical, informational, or evidentiary value, once he has obtained the views of the Archivist of the United States on the proposed disposal.
Requires that the President and his staff take all practical steps to file personal records separately from Presidential records.
Establishes a process for restriction and public access to these records. Specifically, the PRA allows for public access to Presidential records through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA) beginning five years after the end of the Administration, but allows the President to invoke as many as six specific restrictions to public access for up to twelve years. The PRA also establishes procedures for Congress, courts, and subsequent administrations to obtain special access to records that remain closed to the public, following a 30-day notice period to the former and current Presidents.
Requires that Vice-Presidential records are to be treated in the same way as Presidential records.

Since its passage, presidents have used various methods to avoid complying with the Act, including holding meetings away from the White House and "using non-government email accounts with lobbyists".[1]
Executive Order 12667 - Issued by President Reagan in January 1989, this executive order established the procedures for NARA and former and incumbent Presidents to implement the PRA.
Executive Order 13233 - This executive order, issued by President George W. Bush on November 1, 2001, supersedes the previous executive order. The Bush executive order also includes the documents of former Vice Presidents.
Executive Order 13489 - Issued by President Barack Obama on January 21, 2009, restored the implementation of the PRA of 1978 as practiced under President Reagan's Executive Order 12667 and revoked President Bush's Executive Order 13233.

Fox News is continuing to report the emails were lost because Lois Lerner's work computer crashed.  The IRS takes us all for fools as they reported that only her emails to the White House can not be recovered but all emails to co-workers can be recovered.

So why can't the White House produce the emails they received from her?

 

I will say the same thing when I get audited. Cocksuckers.

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They are not taking us for fools. They know we know what the score is. They are basically saying FUCK OFF. That's  the scary part, you want to see anything that proves this guy should not be holding his position (birth certificate,emails,etc)...FUCK OFF! Buckle up! I think this guy is planing to be with us for a loooooong time

Well good.  That will be my excuse if I receive an audit.

Don't think Congress has requested them from the WH yet as they first tried to get them from the IRS for the last year.  The IRS first refused to turn them over, then delayed, now this week comes up with the excuse they were lost.

Congress will now have to request them from the WH, Obama may declare executive privilege and then Congress would have to go to court. That could take years.

How about the Republicans take the senate and cut off/freeze all pay increases and bonuses to all executive and politically appointed IRS staff until the emails are turned over?  In the yearly budget put a freeze on all pay increases for the Treasury Department for all line staff. Cut the IRS/Treasury Department budget drastically.  Power of the purse is controlled by Congress if they wish to exercise it.

Even HuffPo is reporting on it.




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/14/irs-says-it-lost-lois-ler_n_5494762.html

I'd be interested to know why those emails need to be redacted for a House Oversight Committee. I can understand if they were going to be released to the public, but to the people who are supposed to keep tabs on them?

You understand logistics.