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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:11:17 PM EDT
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So it doesn't matter that the NCAA's rule is patently ridiculous and serves absolutely no discernible purpose? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Then: 1) He should have known better. 2) He's stupid getting caught for breaking a stupid rule. So it doesn't matter that the NCAA's rule is patently ridiculous and serves absolutely no discernible purpose? For him? No. Those in a position to make change should absolutely push to change it. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:11:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:12:00 PM EDT
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no no no no no your employer pays you a market wage based on your skill and the general market for similar labor. You are free to take up employment elsewhere if you are not fairly compensated for your time and labor. Your employer not liking you working on the side is completely irrelevant. You can do it, if you have the time and energy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My employer makes far more off of my services than they pay me, and I guarantee they won't like it if I did some work on the side. no no no no no your employer pays you a market wage based on your skill and the general market for similar labor. You are free to take up employment elsewhere if you are not fairly compensated for your time and labor. Your employer not liking you working on the side is completely irrelevant. You can do it, if you have the time and energy. And without my services, my employer would lose gobs of money. Sure, they can find and train somebody else, but that takes time. So, this is a barely out of high school kid, whose skills aren't good enough for the NFL yet. He is paid with tuition, food, and a place to live, just like all the other athletes. He knew the rules when he signed the contract. If he is unhappy with those rules, he is free to quit playing for the NCAA and try to sign on with an NFL team. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:12:47 PM EDT
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Those in a position to make change should absolutely push to change it. Or should they instead push to not enforce it? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:14:44 PM EDT
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And without my services, my employer would lose gobs of money. Sure, they can find and train somebody else, but that takes time. So, this is a barely out of high school kid, whose skills aren't good enough for the NFL yet. He is paid with tuition, food, and a place to live, just like all the other athletes. He knew the rules when he signed the contract. If he is unhappy with those rules, he is free to quit playing for the NCAA and try to sign on with an NFL team. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My employer makes far more off of my services than they pay me, and I guarantee they won't like it if I did some work on the side. no no no no no your employer pays you a market wage based on your skill and the general market for similar labor. You are free to take up employment elsewhere if you are not fairly compensated for your time and labor. Your employer not liking you working on the side is completely irrelevant. You can do it, if you have the time and energy. And without my services, my employer would lose gobs of money. Sure, they can find and train somebody else, but that takes time. So, this is a barely out of high school kid, whose skills aren't good enough for the NFL yet. He is paid with tuition, food, and a place to live, just like all the other athletes. He knew the rules when he signed the contract. If he is unhappy with those rules, he is free to quit playing for the NCAA and try to sign on with an NFL team. 
You think Todd Gurley's labor is fungible? That someone out of the stands can literally be the 12th man? Thats hilarious. There is a market for football talent across the 152 (or whatever) FBS teams there are out there. Those schools, via the NCAA, collude to depress wages across the market. Classic illegal restraint on trade. You think Todd Gurley is just playing a game and should be thankful for whatever he gets. This is ludicrous. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:14:45 PM EDT
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I don't know the answer to this question, but I can easily see how it would instantly become bad it allowing profiting of their name.
"Come to school x. We will guarantee $$$ from tshirts sales and $$$ from signings" That gets ugly quick. Students should be able to make something off of their names, but how I can't say. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:16:05 PM EDT
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I don't know the answer to this question, but I can easily see how it would instantly become bad it allowing profiting of their name. "Come to school x. We will guarantee $$$ from tshirts sales and $$$ from signings" That gets ugly quick. Students should be able to make something off of their names, but how I can't say. Thy are already told "Come to school X, we will pay you $$ under the table and you won't get caught." http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2014/4/10/5594348/college-football-bag-man-interview This paternalistic idea that these kids don't deserve to make money is socialist and wrong. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:16:48 PM EDT
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And without my services, my employer would lose gobs of money. Sure, they can find and train somebody else, but that takes time. So, this is a barely out of high school kid, whose skills aren't good enough for the NFL yet. He is paid with tuition, food, and a place to live, just like all the other athletes. He knew the rules when he signed the contract. If he is unhappy with those rules, he is free to quit playing for the NCAA and try to sign on with an NFL team. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My employer makes far more off of my services than they pay me, and I guarantee they won't like it if I did some work on the side. no no no no no your employer pays you a market wage based on your skill and the general market for similar labor. You are free to take up employment elsewhere if you are not fairly compensated for your time and labor. Your employer not liking you working on the side is completely irrelevant. You can do it, if you have the time and energy. And without my services, my employer would lose gobs of money. Sure, they can find and train somebody else, but that takes time. So, this is a barely out of high school kid, whose skills aren't good enough for the NFL yet. He is paid with tuition, food, and a place to live, just like all the other athletes. He knew the rules when he signed the contract. If he is unhappy with those rules, he is free to quit playing for the NCAA and try to sign on with an NFL team. Exactly... college, room, board, etc are not cheap. He is getting a good deal. He is supposed to be a student athlete, but obviously certain areas dont treat it like that |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:18:09 PM EDT
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Or should they instead push to not enforce it? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those in a position to make change should absolutely push to change it. Or should they instead push to not enforce it? Either works. He doesn't have to play college ball to go pro. He can wait and join the NFL when he's eligible: PLAYER NOT ATTENDING COLLEGE. Any player who does not attend college is
automatically eligible for selection in the next principal draft that is conducted after four NFL regular seasons have begun and ended following either his graduation from high school or graduation of the class with which he entered high school, whichever is earlier. If four football seasons have not elapsed, he is ineligible for selection, but may apply to the Commissioner for Special Eligibility pursuant to the conditions in the section below entitled “Special Eligibility.” If said player is not selected in the draft for which he is eligible, he is eligible to be signed as a free agent, unless he subsequently attends college and participates in college football. In such event, he shall become subject to the rules that are applicable to players who attend college https://www.nflregionalcombines.com/Docs/Eligibility%20rules.pdf Otherwise, he can suck it up, follow some stupid (but not impossible to follow) rules, and have a good shot at making some decent money in the future. Those in a position to affect change should do so, and perhaps we, as a fan base, could petition such a thing. It's not, however, for an individual player to pick and choose the rules he follows. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:19:12 PM EDT
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Exactly... college, room, board, etc are not cheap. He is getting a good deal. In socialist countries they tell you what you get is a good deal. In america we let people earn what they're worth. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:20:10 PM EDT
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He doesn't have to play college ball to go pro. He can wait and join the NFL when he's eligible: That is technically true, but just not the way things work. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:23:05 PM EDT
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In socialist countries they tell you what you get is a good deal. In america we let people earn what they're worth. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly... college, room, board, etc are not cheap. He is getting a good deal. In socialist countries they tell you what you get is a good deal. In america we let people earn what they're worth. He is absolutely free to do that. He's a Junior, so he can go NFL. Any younger, and he can go CFL. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:25:54 PM EDT
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He is absolutely free to do that. He's a Junior, so he can go NFL. Any younger, and he can go CFL. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly... college, room, board, etc are not cheap. He is getting a good deal. In socialist countries they tell you what you get is a good deal. In america we let people earn what they're worth. He is absolutely free to do that. He's a Junior, so he can go NFL. Any younger, and he can go CFL. But he wants to play football for the University of Georgia. People want to pay him money to play football for the University of Georgia. Why are you so dead set on him not getting paid? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:29:13 PM EDT
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But he wants to play football for the University of Georgia. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly... college, room, board, etc are not cheap. He is getting a good deal. In socialist countries they tell you what you get is a good deal. In america we let people earn what they're worth. He is absolutely free to do that. He's a Junior, so he can go NFL. Any younger, and he can go CFL. But he wants to play football for the University of Georgia. And I want to motorboat ScarJo. Life ain't fair. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:30:00 PM EDT
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But he wants to play football for the University of Georgia. People want to pay him money to play football for the University of Georgia. Why are you so dead set on him not getting paid? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Exactly... college, room, board, etc are not cheap. He is getting a good deal. In socialist countries they tell you what you get is a good deal. In america we let people earn what they're worth. He is absolutely free to do that. He's a Junior, so he can go NFL. Any younger, and he can go CFL. But he wants to play football for the University of Georgia. People want to pay him money to play football for the University of Georgia. Why are you so dead set on him not getting paid? HE IS GETTING PAID. If he wants to sell his shit on the side, let him repay all the tuition and living expenses they are PAYING him to play there. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:30:17 PM EDT
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And I want to motorboat ScarJo. Life ain't fair. Ah, the default defense of a patently illegal rule. "Welp, life aint fair." Bullshit. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:31:22 PM EDT
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HE IS GETTING PAID. If he wants to sell his shit on the side, let him repay all the tuition and living expenses they are PAYING him to play there. He's not getting paid like you or I get paid. You and I get paid based on our value. With him, someone tells him he will be paid the same as everyone else, and no matter how valuable he is, he cannot earn any more money than anyone else. If Obama did that, y'all would be melting down. (More so than usual.) |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:32:40 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:38:36 PM EDT
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He's not getting paid like you or I get paid. You and I get paid based on our value. With him, someone tells him he will be paid the same as everyone else, and no matter how valuable he is, he cannot earn any more money than anyone else. If Obama did that, y'all would be melting down. (More so than usual.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HE IS GETTING PAID. If he wants to sell his shit on the side, let him repay all the tuition and living expenses they are PAYING him to play there. He's not getting paid like you or I get paid. You and I get paid based on our value. With him, someone tells him he will be paid the same as everyone else, and no matter how valuable he is, he cannot earn any more money than anyone else. If Obama did that, y'all would be melting down. (More so than usual.) Again, he signed a contract. If he didn't like the rules, he shouldn't have signed that contract. ARFCOM melts down every time somebody talks about reneging on a contract. How is this different? He is free to quit at any time and try to join the CFL or NFL. I don't think you and I are going to agree on this. 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:40:17 PM EDT
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He's not getting paid like you or I get paid. You and I get paid based on our value. With him, someone tells him he will be paid the same as everyone else, and no matter how valuable he is, he cannot earn any more money than anyone else. If Obama did that, y'all would be melting down. (More so than usual.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HE IS GETTING PAID. If he wants to sell his shit on the side, let him repay all the tuition and living expenses they are PAYING him to play there. He's not getting paid like you or I get paid. You and I get paid based on our value. With him, someone tells him he will be paid the same as everyone else, and no matter how valuable he is, he cannot earn any more money than anyone else. If Obama did that, y'all would be melting down. (More so than usual.) He is living for free, supposedly receiving $100,000+ in education (his fault for not taking advantage of), and is bused around the country and fed for free. Not only that, but he is given fame, and training that is worth more then all the others combined so that he will be eventually getting millions per year... Yeah clearly he isn't getting enough 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:40:21 PM EDT
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... I don't think you and I are going to agree on this. Yeah, I told him that a page or two back.
And the last time we discussed this subject, IIRC. 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:41:25 PM EDT
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Yeah, I told him that a page or two back.
And the last time we discussed this subject, IIRC.
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... I don't think you and I are going to agree on this. Yeah, I told him that a page or two back.
And the last time we discussed this subject, IIRC.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:42:07 PM EDT
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He is living for free, supposedly receiving $100,000+ in education (his fault for not taking advantage of), and is bused around the country and fed for free. Not only that, but he is given fame, and training that is worth more then all the others combined so that he will be eventually getting millions per year... Yeah clearly he isn't getting enough Its not for you or me to determine what is enough. It is for the market to determine what is enough. The young man should be making as much money as he can, just like anyone else. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:46:22 PM EDT
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Its not for you or me to determine what is enough. It is for the market to determine what is enough. The young man should be making as much money as he can, just like anyone else. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He is living for free, supposedly receiving $100,000+ in education (his fault for not taking advantage of), and is bused around the country and fed for free. Not only that, but he is given fame, and training that is worth more then all the others combined so that he will be eventually getting millions per year... Yeah clearly he isn't getting enough Its not for you or me to determine what is enough. It is for the market to determine what is enough. The young man should be making as much money as he can, just like anyone else. Allow me to make one last comment; He is free to pursue this money elsewhere. The NCAA just doesn't pay all that well. That is no different than me wanting a new job that pays more. If I have the skills, another employer will be happy to pay me for them. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:49:07 PM EDT
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... I don't think you and I are going to agree on this. Yeah, I told him that a page or two back.
And the last time we discussed this subject, IIRC.
I'm bored, if you couldn't tell. Yeah... but wasn't it a nice break from talking the committee rankings to death again? 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:53:56 PM EDT
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That is no different than me wanting a new job that pays more. If I have the skills, another employer will be happy to pay me for them. Not quite. Its more accurate to say your employer won't let you accept money for taking side jobs off the clock. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 4:54:15 PM EDT
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Yeah... but wasn't it a nice break from talking the committee rankings to death again? That wasn't nearly as contentious as I expected.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:03:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That wasn't nearly as contentious as I expected. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yeah... but wasn't it a nice break from talking the committee rankings to death again? That wasn't nearly as contentious as I expected. Because the rankings were dead on accurate.  |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:09:45 PM EDT
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Because the rankings were dead on accurate.
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Yeah... but wasn't it a nice break from talking the committee rankings to death again? That wasn't nearly as contentious as I expected. Because the rankings were dead on accurate.
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:41:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryWhat makes it even sadder is she never even went to Ole Miss. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:47:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes it even more realistic sadder is she never even went to Ole Miss. Quote HistoryQuoted: What makes it even more realistic sadder is she never even went to Ole Miss. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 5:50:14 PM EDT
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Ignoring things must be a major at FSU. TPD capabilities and relationships with FSU were called into question by the local DA, the NYT, ESPN and just about anybody not wearing Garnet and Gold It's not uncommon for local PD's to have inappropriate close relations with schools and athletic departments so stuff happens all the time. Domestic Assault laws often require the state to press charges even it the victim doesn't wish to press charges. A Facebook post about abuse or photos of abuse would be sufficient evidence to press charges My question were about specifics of FL law on the domestic abuse matters. Monk Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Given the TPD's history probably so but given the reports of the GF posting about it online and rumors of pics of the abuse maybe not. What does FL law say on the matter of DA without a cooperating witness? Monk I'll ignore your ignorant statement regarding TPD, but as far as crimes go...."no victim, no crime". I've seen attempted murders go away because the victim "isn't a snitch" or some other such ghetto nonsense. Edit: i'll add that while it is theoretically possible to prosecute certain crimes without a cooperative witness, it is rarely done and even more rarely successful. Ignoring things must be a major at FSU. TPD capabilities and relationships with FSU were called into question by the local DA, the NYT, ESPN and just about anybody not wearing Garnet and Gold It's not uncommon for local PD's to have inappropriate close relations with schools and athletic departments so stuff happens all the time. Domestic Assault laws often require the state to press charges even it the victim doesn't wish to press charges. A Facebook post about abuse or photos of abuse would be sufficient evidence to press charges My question were about specifics of FL law on the domestic abuse matters. Monk Funny TPD took so much heat in the 90s because it was alleged on countless occasions how unfairly harsh they were against athlete students. I know much more about these investigations than you ever will and all I can tell you is that there was no unfair treatment or bias. The statements made by the states attorneys office as well as several so-called "journalists" are based on complete and utter ignorance. Meggs has been states attorney for quite some time and knows damn well that a police department or sheriffs office does not inform them of every single case that they wish to close due to lack of evidence or uncooperative victim. Suggesting otherwise is deliberately misleading people. As to the current case I posted immediately that it was a big shit sandwich based on what I know from the inside. As suspected she's not cooperating and asking the investigation to end. But because of media pressure and people like yourself the police department will present to the states attorneys office and they can choose to prosecute if they wish but there is nowhere near the amount of evidence needed to get anywhere close to a conviction. You are going to ask a jury to convict a man with no physical evidence, no police report, no 911 call, no victim statement, no witness statement, no suspect statement..., all based off of social media post? Yes technically you can go forward with prosecution without a cooperative victim in the state of Florida in regards to domestic violence however the standard of proof is still the same. And her attorneys or his can easily make motions that the social media post does not fall under the well held caselaw exceptions for "victim statements" in regards to excited utterances or 911 calls. There is no way that you can prove that the so-called victim made that post and therefore it cannot be offered as testimony. First-year law student could tear the states case apart if that's all they had to go on in court. Which based on what I know is all they will have......a social media post. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:00:05 PM EDT
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Let me be clear however. I'm not suggesting he is not an abuser or speak to his guilt or innocence.
My first post was that this is a shit sandwhich that will be blamed on FSU and Fisher and TPD. When it goes nowhere....and it won't....it will be labled a cover up and "more proof" of how corrupt FSU and TPD are. It was a loser from the beginning with no hopes of anything other than a big black eye. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:04:00 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:22:11 PM EDT
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Let me be clear however. I'm not suggesting he is not an abuser or speak to his guilt or innocence. My first post was that this is a shit sandwhich that will be blamed on FSU and Fisher and TPD. When it goes nowhere....and it won't....it will be labled a cover up and "more proof" of how corrupt FSU and TPD are. It was a loser from the beginning with no hopes of anything other than a big black eye. Winston was suspended for his outburst in the Student Center, which while stupid is a much less serious incident . So why not suspend Williams until the investigation is completed? UF got a lot positive press for it's treatment of Harris' situation. FSU could use some of that right now. Suspending a player does not infringe on his legal rights since playing for the school is a privilege not a legal protected right. Monk |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:28:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Winston was suspended for his outburst in the Student Center, which while stupid is a much less serious incident . So why not suspend Williams until the investigation is completed? UF got a lot positive press for it's treatment of Harris' situation. FSU could use some of that right now. Suspending a player does not infringe on his legal rights since playing for the school is a privilege not a legal protected right. Monk Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Let me be clear however. I'm not suggesting he is not an abuser or speak to his guilt or innocence. My first post was that this is a shit sandwhich that will be blamed on FSU and Fisher and TPD. When it goes nowhere....and it won't....it will be labled a cover up and "more proof" of how corrupt FSU and TPD are. It was a loser from the beginning with no hopes of anything other than a big black eye. Winston was suspended for his outburst in the Student Center, which while stupid is a much less serious incident . So why not suspend Williams until the investigation is completed? UF got a lot positive press for it's treatment of Harris' situation. FSU could use some of that right now. Suspending a player does not infringe on his legal rights since playing for the school is a privilege not a legal protected right. Monk |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:34:53 PM EDT
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UF got a lot positive press for it's treatment of Harris' situation. And it was still bullshit. Without even charges, the person shouldn't be punished. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:35:01 PM EDT
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He's already been punished.
Don't you realize his NFL stock dropped literally by seven figures or more? he'll be lucky to go in the second round now. After Ray Rice nobody's going to want to take a chance on a guy like that. If you ask me that's probably why the girlfriends going to recant she just realized her money train just ran off the tracks. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:35:35 PM EDT
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Posted: 10/29/2014 6:54:03 PM EDT
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FSU is not a court of law.
It does not have to afford it's employees or it's players the same legal protections as the state Job suspensions or temporary reassignments happen frequently until an investigation by the employer or legal authority is completed. Monk |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:03:24 PM EDT
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FSU is not a court of law. It does not have to afford it's employees or it's players the same legal protections as the state Job suspensions or temporary reassignments happen frequently until an investigation by the employer or legal authority is completed. Monk FSU is an arm of the State of Florida. And even if it wasn't, I wouldn't care. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 7:59:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: FSU is an arm of the State of Florida. And even if it wasn't, I wouldn't care. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: FSU is not a court of law. It does not have to afford it's employees or it's players the same legal protections as the state Job suspensions or temporary reassignments happen frequently until an investigation by the employer or legal authority is completed. Monk FSU is an arm of the State of Florida. And even if it wasn't, I wouldn't care. If FSU is an arm of the State of Florida, what part would UF be? |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:07:44 PM EDT
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If FSU is an arm of the State of Florida, what part would UF be? I'll take, "What is the Asshole" for $600, Alex. On a serious note, Georgia -13 is a big number this weekend. If I knew a local bookie, I might be interested in $50 on the Gators covering the spread. Georgia over the last ten years has always found a way to struggle with Florida, regardless of how good or bad the team is that year. I would feel a lot better with Gurley in the game, because I have a feeling that the Florida defense is going to key in on Chubb. Its not that I don't think Chubb won't have some success, its just I am not sure our QB Mason can pick up the slack throwing the ball. It almost feels like Florida will committ to defending the run...question is, can Georgia win through the air? Of course, if our defense continues to play like it has the last couple of weeks, it may not matter. This could very easily become a 13-10, 16-9 or similar score game, with the ultimate outcome being determined by who has the better kicker. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:47:31 PM EDT
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He's not getting paid like you or I get paid. You and I get paid based on our value. With him, someone tells him he will be paid the same as everyone else, and no matter how valuable he is, he cannot earn any more money than anyone else. If Obama did that, y'all would be melting down. (More so than usual.) Quote HistoryQuoted:
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HE IS GETTING PAID. If he wants to sell his shit on the side, let him repay all the tuition and living expenses they are PAYING him to play there. He's not getting paid like you or I get paid. You and I get paid based on our value. With him, someone tells him he will be paid the same as everyone else, and no matter how valuable he is, he cannot earn any more money than anyone else. If Obama did that, y'all would be melting down. (More so than usual.) He knew the rules when he enrolled at the school. The rest of it is irrelevant. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 8:49:48 PM EDT
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He doesn't have to play college ball to go pro. He can wait and join the NFL when he's eligible: That is technically true, but just not the way things work. What? He needs to play college ball in order to play in the NFL? You mean he gets even more value be being allowed to develop his football skills as well as the cost of the scholarship, room, board, etc? He is getting plenty of value for his contributions. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:05:49 PM EDT
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What? He needs to play college ball in order to play in the NFL? You mean he gets even more value be being allowed to develop his football skills as well as the cost of the scholarship, room, board, etc? He is getting plenty of value for his contributions. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He doesn't have to play college ball to go pro. He can wait and join the NFL when he's eligible: That is technically true, but just not the way things work. What? He needs to play college ball in order to play in the NFL? You mean he gets even more value be being allowed to develop his football skills as well as the cost of the scholarship, room, board, etc? He is getting plenty of value for his contributions. For most of them: sure. For some of the big name athletes: no. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:23:04 PM EDT
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FSU is not a court of law. It does not have to afford it's employees or it's players the same legal protections as the state Job suspensions or temporary reassignments happen frequently until an investigation by the employer or legal authority is completed. Monk FSU is an arm of the State of Florida. And even if it wasn't, I wouldn't care. If FSU is an arm of the State of Florida, what part would UF be? 
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:24:50 PM EDT
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He doesn't have to play college ball to go pro. He can wait and join the NFL when he's eligible: That is technically true, but just not the way things work. What? He needs to play college ball in order to play in the NFL? You mean he gets even more value be being allowed to develop his football skills as well as the cost of the scholarship, room, board, etc? He is getting plenty of value for his contributions. For most of them: sure. For some of the big name athletes: no. Yes. Their fame is propelling them into big NFL contracts. Their time in college allows them to develop into draftable talent. They are getting the value and then some. Again, they knew the rules going in. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:30:45 PM EDT
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Yes. Their fame is propelling them into big NFL contracts. Their time in college allows them to develop into draftable talent. They are getting the value and then some. Again, they knew the rules going in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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He doesn't have to play college ball to go pro. He can wait and join the NFL when he's eligible: That is technically true, but just not the way things work. What? He needs to play college ball in order to play in the NFL? You mean he gets even more value be being allowed to develop his football skills as well as the cost of the scholarship, room, board, etc? He is getting plenty of value for his contributions. For most of them: sure. For some of the big name athletes: no. Yes. Their fame is propelling them into big NFL contracts. Their time in college allows them to develop into draftable talent. They are getting the value and then some. Again, they knew the rules going in. It's not about what may or may not happen down the road. It's about some of the slav... I mean "student athletes" making other people millions of dollars a year and being unable to make any money off their own name and achievements themselves. |
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Posted: 10/29/2014 9:34:19 PM EDT
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It's not about what may or may not happen down the road. It's about some of the slav... I mean "student athletes" making other people millions of dollars a year and being unable to make any money off their own name and achievements themselves. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That is technically true, but just not the way things work. What? He needs to play college ball in order to play in the NFL? You mean he gets even more value be being allowed to develop his football skills as well as the cost of the scholarship, room, board, etc? He is getting plenty of value for his contributions. For most of them: sure. For some of the big name athletes: no. Yes. Their fame is propelling them into big NFL contracts. Their time in college allows them to develop into draftable talent. They are getting the value and then some. Again, they knew the rules going in. It's not about what may or may not happen down the road. It's about some of the slav... I mean "student athletes" making other people millions of dollars a year and being unable to make any money off their own name and achievements themselves. Again, they knew the rules when they signed the paper. Nothing else matters. If they want to get paid (which they already are), they can go to the NFL or the CFL if they can't get to the NFL. So, unless you don't believe in honoring your word, signed or spoken, this really should not be a subject for debate. This is not about the rights of someone because they have no right to play college football. It don't exist. |
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