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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! View Quote K Thanks Bye. |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! K Thanks Bye. xm15e2s is like herpes. He never really goes away. |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! K Thanks Bye. xm15e2s is like herpes. He never really goes away. Yep. He'll be back. |
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personally i think this would have had a better chance succeeding in court if attorneys would have first fought and won against BATFE on their forfeiture action against those who were approved and manufactured. Then go after everything else once you have a ruling saying the can't legally take the MG away................................
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personally i think this would have had a better chance succeeding in court if attorneys would have first fought and won against BATFE on their forfeiture action against those who were approved and manufactured. Then go after everything else once you have a ruling saying the can't legally take the MG away................................ View Quote How's it hangin nfamachinegunnerZR1? |
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personally i think this would have had a better chance succeeding in court if attorneys would have first fought and won against BATFE on their forfeiture action against those who were approved and manufactured. Then go after everything else once you have a ruling saying the can't legally take the MG away................................ How's it hangin nfamachinegunnerZR1? No shit... ya'll 3 might want to go get your anus checked by doctor if you get butt hurt that easily |
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personally i think this would have had a better chance succeeding in court if attorneys would have first fought and won against BATFE on their forfeiture action against those who were approved and manufactured. Then go after everything else once you have a ruling saying the can't legally take the MG away................................ How's it hangin nfamachinegunnerZR1? No shit... ya'll 3 might want to go get your anus checked by doctor if you get butt hurt that easily Just can't take a hint, can you? |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! View Quote WellBye.jpg... |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! K Thanks Bye. xm15e2s is like herpes. He never really goes away. Yep. He'll be back. But it most certainly won't be in the thread where he's being thrown a party. Eight pages and he still hasn't shown up for his party. He's probably hanging out on Subguns with other like minded people like him. |
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right....................what was I thinking trying to debate an internet forum groupie View Quote You're a retread troll. Even if you had something valuable to add to the conversation, it's too late, no one cares because you've already blown any shred of credibility you may have once had. |
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Link to the donation page has been posted twice (once by me), on the NFA Freedom Alliance Facebook page. They've deleted it both times. Crafting their own post and link perhaps? I was the other one. Fuck em. Todd from NFAFA messaged me when he deleted the post, but I didn't see it at the time because it went to "other" instead of my inbox. Basically he said he doesn't know anything about the cases or attorneys involved. He'd consider supporting it if more information is sent. And he'd appreciate people not posting solicitations for money on the NFAFA Facebook page without permission. Seems fair enough. |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! View Quote how about you man up and donate $10k instead of complaining. it will really get the ball rolling. if i recall heller was a long shot. i have no doubt ar15 alone can get the fund well over 100000 buy itself and once the ball gets rolling you dont think other gun groups would get involved. if you may recall that the CO recalls where started by a pissed of plumber. thanks for your help. |
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Just depends on how the federal attorneys interpret the law.
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! View Quote You ain't seen nothing yet. |
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Just depends on how the federal attorneys interpret the law. View Quote A trust is a legal entity just like any other legal entity actual people have to be able to manage the property that is held by that legal entity. Saying that a trust could manufacture a machine gun but the trustees or grantor could not possess that property is just plain ignorant. If that were the case then trustees and grantors wouldn't be allowed to possess the SBRs and silencers that were registered to the trust because an unlawful transfer takes place when the trustee takes the SBR or silencer out. |
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Todd from NFAFA messaged me when he deleted the post, but I didn't see it at the time because it went to "other" instead of my inbox. Basically he said he doesn't know anything about the cases or attorneys involved. He'd consider supporting it if more information is sent. And he'd appreciate people not posting solicitations for money on the NFAFA Facebook page without permission. Seems fair enough. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Link to the donation page has been posted twice (once by me), on the NFA Freedom Alliance Facebook page. They've deleted it both times. Crafting their own post and link perhaps? I was the other one. Fuck em. Todd from NFAFA messaged me when he deleted the post, but I didn't see it at the time because it went to "other" instead of my inbox. Basically he said he doesn't know anything about the cases or attorneys involved. He'd consider supporting it if more information is sent. And he'd appreciate people not posting solicitations for money on the NFAFA Facebook page without permission. Seems fair enough. His page, his rules - can't argue with that. Since you know him, can you bring him up to speed and get the info posted there again? |
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A trust is a legal entity just like any other legal entity actual people have to be able to manage the property that is held by that legal entity. Saying that a trust could manufacture a machine gun but the trustees or grantor could not possess that property is just plain ignorant. If that were the case then trustees and grantors wouldn't be allowed to possess the SBRs and silencers that were registered to the trust because an unlawful transfer takes place when the trustee takes the SBR or silencer out. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just depends on how the federal attorneys interpret the law. A trust is a legal entity just like any other legal entity actual people have to be able to manage the property that is held by that legal entity. Saying that a trust could manufacture a machine gun but the trustees or grantor could not possess that property is just plain ignorant. If that were the case then trustees and grantors wouldn't be allowed to possess the SBRs and silencers that were registered to the trust because an unlawful transfer takes place when the trustee takes the SBR or silencer out. Well thats why i was asking the questions. Honestly everyone has their own opinion. Its actually up to the judge to see what he thinks! Just curious if we win, how it would affect the Trust and Machine law. Trust has beneficiaries and that can affect the current machine laws. I don't think you can put another trust as a beneficiary, right? |
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Well thats why i was asking the questions. Honestly everyone has their own opinion. Its actually up to the judge to see what he thinks! Just curious if we win, how it would affect the Trust and Machine law. Trust has beneficiaries and that can affect the current machine laws. I don't think you can put another trust as a beneficiary, right? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just depends on how the federal attorneys interpret the law. A trust is a legal entity just like any other legal entity actual people have to be able to manage the property that is held by that legal entity. Saying that a trust could manufacture a machine gun but the trustees or grantor could not possess that property is just plain ignorant. If that were the case then trustees and grantors wouldn't be allowed to possess the SBRs and silencers that were registered to the trust because an unlawful transfer takes place when the trustee takes the SBR or silencer out. Well thats why i was asking the questions. Honestly everyone has their own opinion. Its actually up to the judge to see what he thinks! Just curious if we win, how it would affect the Trust and Machine law. Trust has beneficiaries and that can affect the current machine laws. I don't think you can put another trust as a beneficiary, right? If a judge was stupid enough to issue an opinion that a trust could manufacture but the trustees could not possess it would get appealed and overturned so fast that his head would spin. Trusts are not exclusive to the National Firearms Act, they are used for a whole hell of a lot more than just getting a silencer without having the CLEO sign off on your form. The judge that issued that opinion would be affecting a lot more than just machine guns and his opinion would be shot down in a heartbeat. |
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If a judge was stupid enough to issue an opinion that a trust could manufacture but the trustees could not possess it would get appealed and overturned so fast that his head would spin. Trusts are not exclusive to the National Firearms Act, they are used for a whole hell of a lot more than just getting a silencer without having the CLEO sign off on your form. The judge that issued that opinion would be affecting a lot more than just machine guns and his opinion would be shot down in a heartbeat. View Quote I don't have a trust. I don't own an MG. Yet, this seems so clear...... |
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If a judge was stupid enough to issue an opinion that a trust could manufacture but the trustees could not possess it would get appealed and overturned so fast that his head would spin. Trusts are not exclusive to the National Firearms Act, they are used for a whole hell of a lot more than just getting a silencer without having the CLEO sign off on your form. The judge that issued that opinion would be affecting a lot more than just machine guns and his opinion would be shot down in a heartbeat. I don't have a trust. I don't own an MG. Yet, this seems so clear...... It is only so clear to those that use logic, reason, common sense and who live in reality, that is why leftist are so out of touch with reality. |
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If a judge was stupid enough to issue an opinion that a trust could manufacture but the trustees could not possess it would get appealed and overturned so fast that his head would spin. Trusts are not exclusive to the National Firearms Act, they are used for a whole hell of a lot more than just getting a silencer without having the CLEO sign off on your form. The judge that issued that opinion would be affecting a lot more than just machine guns and his opinion would be shot down in a heartbeat. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Just depends on how the federal attorneys interpret the law. A trust is a legal entity just like any other legal entity actual people have to be able to manage the property that is held by that legal entity. Saying that a trust could manufacture a machine gun but the trustees or grantor could not possess that property is just plain ignorant. If that were the case then trustees and grantors wouldn't be allowed to possess the SBRs and silencers that were registered to the trust because an unlawful transfer takes place when the trustee takes the SBR or silencer out. Well thats why i was asking the questions. Honestly everyone has their own opinion. Its actually up to the judge to see what he thinks! Just curious if we win, how it would affect the Trust and Machine law. Trust has beneficiaries and that can affect the current machine laws. I don't think you can put another trust as a beneficiary, right? If a judge was stupid enough to issue an opinion that a trust could manufacture but the trustees could not possess it would get appealed and overturned so fast that his head would spin. Trusts are not exclusive to the National Firearms Act, they are used for a whole hell of a lot more than just getting a silencer without having the CLEO sign off on your form. The judge that issued that opinion would be affecting a lot more than just machine guns and his opinion would be shot down in a heartbeat. Exactly, people use it to "control" their assets without the government taking a pinch. To "manage" their assets so they don't have to worry about it when they pass away. Now those 2 words can affect the whole lawsuit just depends on how the judge sees it. He might say control is the same thing as possess. I'm curious to see this play out. I wonder why NOLO hadn't filed the first wave of papers. This is going to be a long road and I'm sure we will hit $50k by end of this month. Just think of it this way. If you had a crack pipe in your pocket. You think the cops will take your plead that it belongs to your Trust? |
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Link to the donation page has been posted twice (once by me), on the NFA Freedom Alliance Facebook page. They've deleted it both times. Crafting their own post and link perhaps? I was the other one. Fuck em. Todd from NFAFA messaged me when he deleted the post, but I didn't see it at the time because it went to "other" instead of my inbox. Basically he said he doesn't know anything about the cases or attorneys involved. He'd consider supporting it if more information is sent. And he'd appreciate people not posting solicitations for money on the NFAFA Facebook page without permission. Seems fair enough. His page, his rules - can't argue with that. Since you know him, can you bring him up to speed and get the info posted there again? I sent him the links to everything, and he didn't do anything with it. Oh well. |
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I sent him the links to everything, and he didn't do anything with it. Oh well. Here's a quote from him (on arfcom) where he says he is aware of the upcoming litigation, and is willing to help: I think I saw in this thread that you are an attorney and are planning to litigate NFA issues. If I can be of assistance please don't hesitate to reach out anytime. I am here to serve.
You can also help us by helping to raise the funds I need to actually travel. I put everything I had into this effort. I have the plan, the bills, and the strategy all set I just need the damn money to get to the capitols! Todd So it's perplexing why he would not want this effort mentioned on his page. |
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I sent him the links to everything, and he didn't do anything with it. Oh well. Here's a quote from him (on arfcom) where he says he is aware of the upcoming litigation, and is willing to help: I think I saw in this thread that you are an attorney and are planning to litigate NFA issues. If I can be of assistance please don't hesitate to reach out anytime. I am here to serve.
You can also help us by helping to raise the funds I need to actually travel. I put everything I had into this effort. I have the plan, the bills, and the strategy all set I just need the damn money to get to the capitols! Todd So it's perplexing why he would not want this effort mentioned on his page. I can not wait to get to own a new machine gun.... |
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Oh, look! Found another $20! Think I'll put it here - http://www.gofundme.com/fmxlnk - for safe keeping. View Quote Sunday morning bump. |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! K Thanks Bye. xm15e2s is like herpes. He never really goes away. No.. but at least he is contributing. http://s30.postimg.org/5tpf20q7l/111.png |
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Please be advised that someone from this thread is posting on other boards using my screen name xm15e2s or xm15e2 about this topic and subject. Its not me. Boards like subguns. Ive been emailed about other attempts. I am very outspoken I don't need anyone pretending to be me. Not here. 986 posts since April 2001? That's like one post every 5 days. I've been here a month longer and I know damn well I'm not exactly "very outspoken" with 3553 posts. I also know damn well I'm not the only Finnbear on the internet because that username is often not available. I feel like such a post whore now. Did somebody say post whore? Pffffffft. |
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Its check out time for me. I will not post anything else in this thread. My parting shots......... Its very foolish to go half assed in such a lawsuit. A case like this will require the best and brightest legal team. You are foolish to think that it can be done for less than millions of dollars. The small fund will be depleated quickly. Lack of experience will raise its ugly head. Corners will be cut and serious mistakes will be made. The consequences of legal losses could be severe. Many outside this thread occasionally stop in for a peak at the thread and its not good what they think. Attorneys, nfa guys, and general firearm enthusiast are thinking what a mess. I am OUT! You ain't seen nothing yet. Ba-ba-baby No you ain't seen nothin' yet |
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To the guys that are bitching.- Come on we have all wasted a lot more money on a lot of stupider things. Throw some money at it and maybe we will get lucky.
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To the guys that are bitching.- Come on we have all wasted a lot more money on a lot of stupider things. Throw some money at it and maybe we will get lucky. View Quote im going to donate $87 when i get paid this week. if we could get everyone on here to donate $87 we would reach the goal in no time. |
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Just bumping the most important thread in the last 28y. Why can't we get this pinned at the top of GD again? NorCal? Admin? Anyone? I won't let that happen. Even if I'm just here, by myself, talking to my self, I'll be posting here at least every 24-48 hours. I'll help you bump today. How's the weather down there in Florida? Weather's not too bad. We're getting into about that two month period between the 8 months long oppressively humid summer, and 2 weeks ( ) of soak-you-to-the-bone wet cold winter. Highs are around 80, over night lows are in the 50's. About a month ago, my truck's thermostat was showing 100F+ |
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