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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:56:54 PM EDT
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Around here you are held accountable for your actions. If you lie, or get get caught breaking the law, you stand before the man.
Scott called the three arrests “disheartening.”
“Of course we’re embarrassed, but we’re proud of the fact that we moved so quickly, did what needed to be done and took the guy off the streets,” he said. “It’s our job to get the bad guys, whether they’re hiding behind a telephone pole, a tree or a badge.” Google search Some of the highlights: DUI FIRED Watch @ 1:08 DUI FIRED ONE WEED, ONE LIED n a separate case, Lt. Blake Lee reported that on March 25, he asked Sgt. James Magas where he was. He said Magas told him he was at the intersection of U.S. 41 and Six Mile Cypress Parkway. Lee said the GPS on Magas’ patrol car instead showed him on College Parkway approaching the Cape Coral Bridge.
Magas later told internal investigators that he needed to pick something up from his wife and asked her to meet him near the bridge, which was outside of his district. He did not tell Lee he was leaving the area and later admitted to lying about his location, reports stated. Sheriff Mike Scott signed off on the recommendation to terminate Magas’ employment on May 10. Reports show neither Eaton nor Magas had any substantiated findings against them during the past five years. Excessive use of force...Watch this brutality. Nudies A Lee County deputy has been fired after an internal affairs investigation found he had sexually explicit photos on his work computer and had allowed a woman to be photographed topless while in his patrol vehicle. Stealing. Grocery store Fired for lying over Jolly Ranchers bribe. ++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Organizational Chart Look on top, see who is in charge and who works for who. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:59:59 PM EDT
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Is your license pulled when you get a DUI? How about drugs? How about a DV? How about misdemeanor manslaughter? I have never seen a Dr. lose anything with any of these. And I have arrested doctors for each one of these. Never mind the doctors that are suicidal, prescription drug addicts, and barricade inside their home. None of them lost their license either. Depending upon each state, traffic offenses may be a misdemeanor too. So, a DUI is similar to speeding for punishment. Now, there may be a license revocation period too, but the classification of crime is exactly the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have morality/ethics clauses in my contract as a physician. I guess police officers don't. Is your license pulled when you get a DUI? How about drugs? How about a DV? How about misdemeanor manslaughter? I have never seen a Dr. lose anything with any of these. And I have arrested doctors for each one of these. Never mind the doctors that are suicidal, prescription drug addicts, and barricade inside their home. None of them lost their license either. Depending upon each state, traffic offenses may be a misdemeanor too. So, a DUI is similar to speeding for punishment. Now, there may be a license revocation period too, but the classification of crime is exactly the same. and I know of no incidents involving a doctor getting pulled over (80 in 50), claiming he was en route to an emergency surgery (did I mention head of his department?) when he wasn't, and then telling the cop if you give me a ticket pray you never wind up on my table. Never ever. Well, except that one time. He still has a medical license. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:01:52 PM EDT
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Better yet is a district attorney who gets a DUI, takes a plea, gets probation, and still gets to work as a district attorney. I know of a few such cases. One of them was on the "DUI task force" for prosecuting DUI cases, because it does take special training to go to bat against a well trained/experienced DUI defense attorney. Hell, I know a judge that got a DUi and kept his job. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:08:44 PM EDT
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What's blowing my mind in this thread is that from OP's post to here, not one person has mentioned that there's no such thing as a victimless crime when it comes to DUI....
Cop gets DUI, GD: "Well, he admitted it, so he should keep his job" "Civilian" gets DUI, GD: "There's no such thing as a victimless crime, I hope he burns in Hell..." 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:55:14 AM EDT
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Look, I posted the story, I didn't post any of my opinion with it. As you can see, most people in this thread have all thought it was reasonable punishment. My grandfather was an LEO, and I am looking to pursue an LE career, so don't accuse me of being an LEO basher. Thank you. 
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jesus….is GD that hard up for a good LEO bashing that they look to this story? He pled guilty, what more do you want. would a burger flipper or a marine be tried and hung and fired due to this? NO, so leave it. jesus the anti LEO hate is strong in most of GD posters. My grandfather was an LEO, and I am looking to pursue an LE career, so don't accuse me of being an LEO basher. Thank you.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:34:37 AM EDT
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I've seen people with several DUI arrests who only spent a night in jail for each, there is very little punishment unless your a cop then you are screwed!!! Quote HistoryQuoted:
I've seen people with several DUI arrests who only spent a night in jail for each, there is very little punishment unless your a cop then you are screwed!!! Didn't this cop just spend a night in jail? Quoted:
Sometimes they are, for sure. I don't think I have a problem with the guy keeping his job, but I wouldn't have a problem with him losing it either. I'm just impressed that it was his own department that arrested him for a DUI when there was no accident or witnesses forcing the issue. That's unicorn and leprechaun territory right there. Yup, he must have really pissed off some of his "brothers". My guess is that he slept with some of their wives. This one was fucked up to watch. That guy is a sadistic SOB. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:43:18 AM EDT
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There is a judge in SW Missouri that killed 2 people in a crash and didn't lose his job. I know of an FBI agent that had 4 DWI arrests and kept his job.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:46:02 AM EDT
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GD tells me that a dui outside of your employment should not affect your employment....
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:55:09 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is your license pulled when you get a DUI? How about drugs? How about a DV? How about misdemeanor manslaughter? I have never seen a Dr. lose anything with any of these. And I have arrested doctors for each one of these. Never mind the doctors that are suicidal, prescription drug addicts, and barricade inside their home. None of them lost their license either. Depending upon each state, traffic offenses may be a misdemeanor too. So, a DUI is similar to speeding for punishment. Now, there may be a license revocation period too, but the classification of crime is exactly the same. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: I have morality/ethics clauses in my contract as a physician. I guess police officers don't. Is your license pulled when you get a DUI? How about drugs? How about a DV? How about misdemeanor manslaughter? I have never seen a Dr. lose anything with any of these. And I have arrested doctors for each one of these. Never mind the doctors that are suicidal, prescription drug addicts, and barricade inside their home. None of them lost their license either. Depending upon each state, traffic offenses may be a misdemeanor too. So, a DUI is similar to speeding for punishment. Now, there may be a license revocation period too, but the classification of crime is exactly the same. +1000000 Are you fucking kidding me? I've seen doctors who have literally written hundreds of scripts for schedule 3 narcotics to known abusers for years and get caught have NOTHING don't to their license to practice. Same with manslaughter. We had a Dr. who was found to have written hundreds of Scripts to his doper son who eventually OD'd on Oxy. Nothing happened. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:56:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It seems as though citizens not working in law enforcement are the ones being held to a higher standard, these days. How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:58:12 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What's blowing my mind in this thread is that from OP's post to here, not one person has mentioned that there's no such thing as a victimless crime when it comes to DUI.... Cop gets DUI, GD: "Well, he admitted it, so he should keep his job" "Civilian" gets DUI, GD: "There's no such thing as a victimless crime, I hope he burns in Hell..." Soooooo... if you pick up a DUI on your day off, you would lose your job? That's what would happen? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:27:35 AM EDT
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I know several commercial pilots with duis.(not me, I won't drive after a single beer) It shows a serious lack of judgement and I have no tolerance for it. The guy screwed up and should be placed under intense scrutiny by his superiors from here on but fired for an off duty deal might be a bit much.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:22:36 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It seems as though citizens not working in law enforcement are the ones being held to a higher standard, these days. How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:15:08 AM EDT
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If we are to be held to a higher standard than civilians, how come everyone says, LE are just civilians? There is nothing different between us? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry but if your job is to enforce the law and you are arrested and found guilty (or admit guilt), you should be terminated. Given your position as a LE officer you should be held to a higher standard. This makes his department and its chief look like a complete joke. I wonder how many people he has pulled over and then lectured for DUI. I wonder how many people he will pull over in the future for a DUI. I have morality/ethics clauses in my contract as a physician. I guess police officers don't. If we are to be held to a higher standard than civilians, how come everyone says, LE are just civilians? There is nothing different between us? As pointed out, people are only asking for the same penalty suffered by most other people who drive as part of their jobs: firing. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:30:58 AM EDT
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As pointed out, people are only asking for the same penalty suffered by most other people who drive as part of their jobs: firing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm sorry but if your job is to enforce the law and you are arrested and found guilty (or admit guilt), you should be terminated. Given your position as a LE officer you should be held to a higher standard. This makes his department and its chief look like a complete joke. I wonder how many people he has pulled over and then lectured for DUI. I wonder how many people he will pull over in the future for a DUI. I have morality/ethics clauses in my contract as a physician. I guess police officers don't. If we are to be held to a higher standard than civilians, how come everyone says, LE are just civilians? There is nothing different between us? As pointed out, people are only asking for the same penalty suffered by most other people who drive as part of their jobs: firing. I only know two people personally with DUI's. An woman who works for an insurance company and a guy who was career Army. Neither got fired. The guy had at least two, maybe three DUIs and still served his 20-years and retired. Though I am sure there are employers that will fire an employee for a DUI (if they even find out, and really is it any of their business?) I think its more rare than many assume. I also wonder about the mindset of someone who when asked on Monday morning how his weekend was answers with "I got a DUI." Keep it to yourself unless required by contract to disclose it. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:41:51 AM EDT
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He should be fired.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:44:58 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It seems as though citizens not working in law enforcement are the ones being held to a higher standard, these days. How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... Of course not. He violated the law, plead, paid for his crime, and went along his merry way. In fact, he was penalized by his employer even though the violation had nothing to do with his work or employment. How about a plumber charging too much for an appraisal? Should FedEx drivers be fired for a red light ticket they receive on their day off? How about a doctor who is charged with domestic violence? Should he or she loose their license to practice? GD can't have it both ways. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:47:08 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: It seems as though citizens not working in law enforcement are the ones being held to a higher standard, these days. How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... I noticed the cute little tank under your name. If you picked up a DUI in the military, would you be kicked out? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:48:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He should be fired. For? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:50:26 AM EDT
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Alcoholism is covered by the ADA. A person may not be fired for being an alcoholic. Drinking is not protected by the ADA. DUI is not. A person may be fired for getting a DUI, whether or not he is an alcoholic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Alcoholism is considered a disease by doctors, therefore ADA and you get rehab Alcoholism is covered by the ADA. A person may not be fired for being an alcoholic. Drinking is not protected by the ADA. DUI is not. A person may be fired for getting a DUI, whether or not he is an alcoholic. Exactly. Saved me a post - I don't want people thinking DUI is covered by the ADA, there are plenty of misconceptions about it as it is. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:52:00 AM EDT
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Is your license pulled when you get a DUI? How about drugs? How about a DV? How about misdemeanor manslaughter? I have never seen a Dr. lose anything with any of these. And I have arrested doctors for each one of these. Never mind the doctors that are suicidal, prescription drug addicts, and barricade inside their home. None of them lost their license either. Depending upon each state, traffic offenses may be a misdemeanor too. So, a DUI is similar to speeding for punishment. Now, there may be a license revocation period too, but the classification of crime is exactly the same. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have morality/ethics clauses in my contract as a physician. I guess police officers don't. Is your license pulled when you get a DUI? How about drugs? How about a DV? How about misdemeanor manslaughter? I have never seen a Dr. lose anything with any of these. And I have arrested doctors for each one of these. Never mind the doctors that are suicidal, prescription drug addicts, and barricade inside their home. None of them lost their license either. Depending upon each state, traffic offenses may be a misdemeanor too. So, a DUI is similar to speeding for punishment. Now, there may be a license revocation period too, but the classification of crime is exactly the same. Why do you hate doctors? 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:53:05 AM EDT
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So, he committed a crime, admitted to his crime, and will receive punishment. It is not uncommon for the first DUI not to be a termination offense by itself. I suppose as long as no modicum of character is required for this position then hiring a guy to patrol the roads who's known to be a drunk driver is just fucking peachy. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:54:03 AM EDT
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To some of these guys anything short of a BJ is "LEO hate." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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jesus….is GD that hard up for a good LEO bashing that they look to this story? He pled guilty, what more do you want. would a burger flipper or a marine be tried and hung and fired due to this? NO, so leave it. jesus the anti LEO hate is strong in most of GD posters. My grandfather was an LEO, and I am looking to pursue an LE career, so don't accuse me of being an LEO basher. Thank you.
To some of these guys anything short of a BJ is "LEO hate." and to others anything short of Beheading with his skull on a pike in front of the station is "Badge Licking" |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:55:57 AM EDT
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When cops hand out DUI's they don't care if the person loses their job. Cops should not break the law if they do, they should not be cops anymore.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:57:12 AM EDT
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He should be fired. For? Having skin and saying words. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:58:09 AM EDT
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The thing I don't agree about DUI's is someone being a CDL holder and getting one in their personal vehicle. If your in your personal vehicle off the clock you shouldn't be held to tighter restrictions on your BAC, but if your in your company or personal rig by all means you should be held to tighter restrictions. If you're not in a class I, II, or III commercial vehicle, the same BAC applies that any other non-CDL license holder would be subject to. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:58:18 AM EDT
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I only know two people personally with DUI's. An woman who works for an insurance company and a guy who was career Army. Neither got fired. The guy had at least two, maybe three DUIs and still served his 20-years and retired. Though I am sure there are employers that will fire an employee for a DUI (if they even find out, and really is it any of their business?) I think its more rare than many assume. I also wonder about the mindset of someone who when asked on Monday morning how his weekend was answers with "I got a DUI." Keep it to yourself unless required by contract to disclose it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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As pointed out, people are only asking for the same penalty suffered by most other people who drive as part of their jobs: firing. I only know two people personally with DUI's. An woman who works for an insurance company and a guy who was career Army. Neither got fired. The guy had at least two, maybe three DUIs and still served his 20-years and retired. Though I am sure there are employers that will fire an employee for a DUI (if they even find out, and really is it any of their business?) I think its more rare than many assume. I also wonder about the mindset of someone who when asked on Monday morning how his weekend was answers with "I got a DUI." Keep it to yourself unless required by contract to disclose it. Beer truck drivers, OTR truck drivers, taxi drivers, hell any driver gets fired if he catches a DUI. Seems fair for cop car drivers, too. It looks like you automatically lose your license on conviction almost everywhere. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:59:26 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: It seems as though citizens not working in law enforcement are the ones being held to a higher standard, these days. How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... I noticed the cute little tank under your name. If you picked up a DUI in the military, would you be kicked out? No - I would not... as long as no one was hurt or killed. I would lose rank and pay, be required to attend substance abuse counseling and would lose driving privileges for a year in addition to other possibilities depending on how much of an asshole I may be. I think it is also worthwhile to note that my job on base was not enforcing the law or the UCMJ. That makes a difference... an MP getting popped is going to have a different outcome than I would.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:00:59 PM EDT
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He should be fired. For? He should know better. Around here a first time dui is nothing, go to driving school, don't get in trouble for six months and it goes away. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:01:38 PM EDT
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Lapse in judgement. No indication of untruthfulness. No damage to credibility. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems like a good attorney would tear his credibility up on the stand if he ever gets involved in something serious. He has demonstrated a serious lack of judgement. Lapse in judgement. No indication of untruthfulness. No damage to credibility. Depends on the state really. In some states DUI is considered a crime involving moral turpitude. That can have an effect on credibility. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:03:44 PM EDT
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Look, I posted the story, I didn't post any of my opinion with it. As you can see, most people in this thread have all thought it was reasonable punishment. My grandfather was an LEO, and I am looking to pursue an LE career, so don't accuse me of being an LEO basher. Thank you.
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jesus….is GD that hard up for a good LEO bashing that they look to this story? He pled guilty, what more do you want. would a burger flipper or a marine be tried and hung and fired due to this? NO, so leave it. jesus the anti LEO hate is strong in most of GD posters. My grandfather was an LEO, and I am looking to pursue an LE career, so don't accuse me of being an LEO basher. Thank you.
You're a LEO basher by virtue of the fact that you posted it. Don't try to deny it!
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:06:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: He should know better. Around here a first time dui is nothing, go to driving school, don't get in trouble for six months and it goes away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: He should be fired. For? He should know better. Around here a first time dui is nothing, go to driving school, don't get in trouble for six months and it goes away. He absolutely should know better, but I've seen lots of people, cops and not, who have made bad decisions while drinking. Not all have been criminal, if you know what I mean? It is pretty much the same in Ca. The DA can decide on administrative, civil, or criminal, basically making it a wobbler infraction/misdemeanor if you cooperate. Should an officer off duty be fired for not wearing his seatbelt? Not having his headlights on during the hours of darkness? How about late registration? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:06:33 PM EDT
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Better yet is a district attorney who gets a DUI, takes a plea, gets probation, and still gets to work as a district attorney. I know of a few such cases. One of them was on the "DUI task force" for prosecuting DUI cases, because it does take special training to go to bat against a well trained/experienced DUI defense attorney. Hell, I know a judge that got a DUi and kept his job. Don't judge me, bro! 
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:08:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're not in a class I, II, or III commercial vehicle, the same BAC applies that any other non-CDL license holder would be subject to. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: The thing I don't agree about DUI's is someone being a CDL holder and getting one in their personal vehicle. If your in your personal vehicle off the clock you shouldn't be held to tighter restrictions on your BAC, but if your in your company or personal rig by all means you should be held to tighter restrictions. If you're not in a class I, II, or III commercial vehicle, the same BAC applies that any other non-CDL license holder would be subject to. I have a CDL and my understanding is it makes no difference what vehicle you happen to be driving at the time. BAC is half of what a normal driver can have. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:11:48 PM EDT
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I don't get it. All the departments around here will fire you if you get a dui. Heck, tennessee may even revoke their post commission. Yet other departments in Tennessee hire convicted felons. Politics man, politics. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:14:29 PM EDT
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Good. Just temporary lapses of judgement, he won't do it again and this was probably his first time ever driving impaired. I would be ok w/ him keeping his job after his second or third dui as long as the public knows about it.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:21:09 PM EDT
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I have a CDL and my understanding is it makes no difference what vehicle you happen to be driving at the time. BAC is half of what a normal driver can have. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The thing I don't agree about DUI's is someone being a CDL holder and getting one in their personal vehicle. If your in your personal vehicle off the clock you shouldn't be held to tighter restrictions on your BAC, but if your in your company or personal rig by all means you should be held to tighter restrictions. If you're not in a class I, II, or III (showing my age there, lol) commercial vehicle, the same BAC applies that any other non-CDL license holder would be subject to. I have a CDL and my understanding is it makes no difference what vehicle you happen to be driving at the time. BAC is half of what a normal driver can have. I also have a class A with all endorsements except passengers and hazmat. I've had the license for the last 28 years and now have a waiver due to my being deaf. When the BAC was originally lowered for commercial drivers this was a common misconception - for the lower BAC to apply, you must be driving a class A, B, or C commercial vehicle at the time. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:25:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I also have a class A with all endorsements except passengers and hazmat. I've had the license for the last 28 years and now have a waiver due to my being deaf. When the BAC was originally lowered for commercial drivers this was a common misconception - for the lower BAC to apply, you must be driving a class A, B, or C commercial vehicle at the time. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: The thing I don't agree about DUI's is someone being a CDL holder and getting one in their personal vehicle. If your in your personal vehicle off the clock you shouldn't be held to tighter restrictions on your BAC, but if your in your company or personal rig by all means you should be held to tighter restrictions. If you're not in a class I, II, or III (showing my age there, lol) commercial vehicle, the same BAC applies that any other non-CDL license holder would be subject to. I have a CDL and my understanding is it makes no difference what vehicle you happen to be driving at the time. BAC is half of what a normal driver can have. I also have a class A with all endorsements except passengers and hazmat. I've had the license for the last 28 years and now have a waiver due to my being deaf. When the BAC was originally lowered for commercial drivers this was a common misconception - for the lower BAC to apply, you must be driving a class A, B, or C commercial vehicle at the time. Interesting. I haven't drank in well over a decade so I'm not worried about it.  |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:31:45 PM EDT
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Interesting. I haven't drank in well over a decade so I'm not worried about it.
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The thing I don't agree about DUI's is someone being a CDL holder and getting one in their personal vehicle. If your in your personal vehicle off the clock you shouldn't be held to tighter restrictions on your BAC, but if your in your company or personal rig by all means you should be held to tighter restrictions. If you're not in a class I, II, or III (showing my age there, lol) commercial vehicle, the same BAC applies that any other non-CDL license holder would be subject to. I have a CDL and my understanding is it makes no difference what vehicle you happen to be driving at the time. BAC is half of what a normal driver can have. I also have a class A with all endorsements except passengers and hazmat. I've had the license for the last 28 years and now have a waiver due to my being deaf. When the BAC was originally lowered for commercial drivers this was a common misconception - for the lower BAC to apply, you must be driving a class A, B, or C commercial vehicle at the time. Interesting. I haven't drank in well over a decade so I'm not worried about it.
I hear ya. It's really not worth it unless I'm just hanging around the house. As an interesting aside, my license specifies that I must have my hearing aids in (for environmental noise) if I'm operating a commercial vehicle, and I recently had a cop who refused to believe it didn't apply to the non- commercial vehicle (my truck) that I was driving. The judge was not happy.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:44:50 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:49:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hear ya. It's really not worth it unless I'm just hanging around the house. As an interesting aside, my license specifies that I must have my hearing aids in (for environmental noise) if I'm operating a commercial vehicle, and I recently had a cop who refused to believe it didn't apply to the non- commercial vehicle (my truck) that I was driving. The judge was not happy. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I also have a class A with all endorsements except passengers and hazmat. I've had the license for the last 28 years and now have a waiver due to my being deaf. When the BAC was originally lowered for commercial drivers this was a common misconception - for the lower BAC to apply, you must be driving a class A, B, or C commercial vehicle at the time. Interesting. I haven't drank in well over a decade so I'm not worried about it. I hear ya. It's really not worth it unless I'm just hanging around the house. As an interesting aside, my license specifies that I must have my hearing aids in (for environmental noise) if I'm operating a commercial vehicle, and I recently had a cop who refused to believe it didn't apply to the non- commercial vehicle (my truck) that I was driving. The judge was not happy. It went all the way to a judge? No one thought to look up the statute to see what it actually was? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:52:04 PM EDT
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Some departments it is a death sentence, others it just puts you on the Sheriff/Chiefs shitlist and kills any chance of promotion.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:01:14 PM EDT
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I also have a class A with all endorsements except passengers and hazmat. I've had the license for the last 28 years and now have a waiver due to my being deaf. When the BAC was originally lowered for commercial drivers this was a common misconception - for the lower BAC to apply, you must be driving a class A, B, or C commercial vehicle at the time. Interesting. I haven't drank in well over a decade so I'm not worried about it.
I hear ya. It's really not worth it unless I'm just hanging around the house. As an interesting aside, my license specifies that I must have my hearing aids in (for environmental noise) if I'm operating a commercial vehicle, and I recently had a cop who refused to believe it didn't apply to the non- commercial vehicle (my truck) that I was driving. The judge was not happy. It went all the way to a judge? No one thought to look up the statute to see what it actually was?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:33:40 PM EDT
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It seems like a good attorney would tear his credibility up on the stand if he ever gets involved in something serious. He has demonstrated a serious lack of judgement. Lapse in judgement. No indication of untruthfulness. No damage to credibility. Perhapse "credibility" is not the right term, but if I'm on the jury, he's done. How do we not know he wasn't having another "lapse" when he shot that guy? Juries should not assume facts that are not in evidence, that's how. It seems to me a previous "Lapse" in judgement would be a pretty strong indicator for future "lapsesssesses" in judgement. I have no tolerance period for DUI's, first offense should be loss of license and prison time. If your in any kind of LEO job or other federal employment it should include immediate termination from employment. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:38:11 PM EDT
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This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... I noticed the cute little tank under your name. If you picked up a DUI in the military, would you be kicked out? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems as though citizens not working in law enforcement are the ones being held to a higher standard, these days. How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... I noticed the cute little tank under your name. If you picked up a DUI in the military, would you be kicked out? Yes you will most likely be discharged. It hasn't always resulted in a discharge, but it pretty much means immediate relief from your job if your a commander or other leadership and a the end of your service. Now they are going back and any previous infractions (i.e. DUI's) are grounds for dismissal from the service, no matter how long ago it happened. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 1:39:45 PM EDT
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This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... I noticed the cute little tank under your name. If you picked up a DUI in the military, would you be kicked out? Adorable, isn't it? No - I would not... as long as no one was hurt or killed. I would lose rank and pay, be required to attend substance abuse counseling and would lose driving privileges for a year in addition to other possibilities depending on how much of an asshole I may be. I think it is also worthwhile to note that my job on base was not enforcing the law or the UCMJ. That makes a difference... an MP getting popped is going to have a different outcome than I would. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It seems as though citizens not working in law enforcement are the ones being held to a higher standard, these days. How so? What would happen to you if you picked up a DUI? You're telling me your employer would send you home without pay for something that happened on your days off? This is the disconnect which I can't grasp... are you implying that LE should only be required to follow the law while on shift? When your job is one of public trust (especially if enforcing law is your primary responsibility) - you set the bar and lead by example. I would say the same thing about a drug and alcohol counselor hitting the glass dick after hours or an SRO who buys booze for kids after school. I'm not sure if this stuff is double-standard material or just straight up hypocrisy... I noticed the cute little tank under your name. If you picked up a DUI in the military, would you be kicked out? Adorable, isn't it? No - I would not... as long as no one was hurt or killed. I would lose rank and pay, be required to attend substance abuse counseling and would lose driving privileges for a year in addition to other possibilities depending on how much of an asshole I may be. I think it is also worthwhile to note that my job on base was not enforcing the law or the UCMJ. That makes a difference... an MP getting popped is going to have a different outcome than I would. And you'd be incorrect, at least now. I can count at least 4 that I know of this year who got DUI's and were forced out of the military. Hasn't always been the case, but the .mil is cracking down. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:29:54 PM EDT
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GD tells me that a dui outside of your employment should not affect your employment.... personally he would have been let go Yep. most people and their jobs survive the first DUI. I don't get much heartburn over this. Treating all the animals equally. Now if they tried to cover it up. Well that's when the long knives come-out. In my Hometown, that happened and out of about 40 sworn personnel, 5 firings and the Chief's contract not extended. A solid majority of the City Council asked my Dad to return to the Department as Chief or Interim-Chief for a big raise which would have also kicked up his pension. He told them they couldn't pay him enough, and he would fire several more of the senior officers that past chiefs had let pass on issues that deserved firings. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:34:36 PM EDT
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He should be fired. Probably, but holding to a higher standard doesn't fly these days What with Unions and Civil Service. Chief Charlie Beck is getting clobbered over a "forgive and forget" for a drunk officer's antics in another county. As what appears to be another instance is raising it's ugly head, LAPD might lose a few more officers and a Chief over it, when all is over and done. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:38:10 PM EDT
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