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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:06:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: gone into business, or were you outfitting a squad? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Lots of good advice here OP. You don't NEED a vise (But it makes it easier). I just finished my 71st and 72nd build a couple of weeks ago and I use a vice now because I'm usually doing 5-10 at a time and it speeds things up for me. Another handy tool are Knipex pliers. They make bolt catch and and trigger guard assembly stupid easy and you don't have to worry about taping the receiver.  http://www.amazon.com/Knipex-8603250-10-Inch-Pliers-Wrench/dp/B000X4OG94/ref=sr_1_1?s=hi&ie=UTF8&qid=1398380246&sr=1-1&keywords=pliers+knipex http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/treadhead/61SVY7cG2BsL_SL1500__zps73c3ec53.jpg My "first" build (No vice)lol http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/treadhead/Picture042.jpg gone into business, or were you outfitting a squad? want to put their own together. Build/buy #7 is next month and this time it's the guys at work (Mental Health Facility)  |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:20:55 PM EDT
[#2]
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Never used a vice but a bright light and good glasses help to find wayward springs. At some point I spread a sheet out on the floor, sat on it with everything needed and put another sheet over me. Then I bought a bunch of extra springs.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:36:05 PM EDT
[#3]
Thanks for the tool idea, I've seen it before, but forgot who made it. You owe me $50
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Posted: 4/24/2014 5:03:03 PM EDT
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20+
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Posted: 4/24/2014 5:08:11 PM EDT
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Yes, several. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lots of vague answers in here....Have any of you ACTUALLY assembled a lower without a vise?????? Yes, several. What do you mean vague? As I said, I assembled three stripped lowers without a vise. I turned them into a 6.8spc, dedicated .22lr, and a 50 BMG. And I had never done it before. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 5:17:51 PM EDT
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Come to think of it , a vise would make it easier. I'll try that next time.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:41:09 PM EDT
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Ok, I guess I'll give it a shot without a vise. It just seems most of the YouTube videos I've watched included a vise. That may have just been for ease of filming.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:44:17 PM EDT
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Done two.
No vice. Did it all on my kitchen table with youtube videos, needle nose pliers, and a vice-grips pliers... And I am *not* an MIT grad... I am a state-school business school grad. And a borderline idiot... 
If I can do it, anyone can. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:44:28 PM EDT
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Haven't used a vice yet and I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:46:28 PM EDT
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My last few builds were done on a glass coffee table.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:46:42 PM EDT
[#11]
yup. Only thing its good for is buffer tube installation.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 8:58:35 PM EDT
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well...pistol parts are starting to arrive.
diamondhead VRS FF tube, KAK buffer tube, and flash can all came today. LPK and upper receiver/parts come next week. now i just need to find a solid barrel at a decent price.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:07:14 PM EDT
[#13]
Never used a vice.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:19:51 PM EDT
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Ok, I guess I'll give it a shot without a vise. It just seems most of the YouTube videos I've watched included a vise. That may have just been for ease of filming. lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:27:41 PM EDT
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Fuck yea. I have a vise and don't use it when assembling lowers.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:37:44 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ok, I guess I'll give it a shot without a vise. It just seems most of the YouTube videos I've watched included a vise. That may have just been for ease of filming. lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. last time you told this story, you didn't even have a lower--just a handful of unsmelted ore and a serial number.   |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:39:31 PM EDT
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Yes. and use channel lock pliers to put the roll pins in Ouch no. The brownells punches are not that expensive. The specialty one is really nice for the bolt catch. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:41:39 PM EDT
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I assembled my first and only one with out a vise... or any other tool... except a leatherman. And that was mostly for the pliers and pocking things.
Only tool I wished for in my assembly was when attaching the stock. Hand tightening the ring just wasn't enough. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:58:19 PM EDT
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last time you told this story, you didn't even have a lower--just a handful of unsmelted ore and a serial number. http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p482/jehsimon/DKprof0lowerARbuild_zps460665f4.jpeghttp://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p482/jehsimon/finishedproduct_zps8766e4fa.jpg Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, I guess I'll give it a shot without a vise. It just seems most of the YouTube videos I've watched included a vise. That may have just been for ease of filming. lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. last time you told this story, you didn't even have a lower--just a handful of unsmelted ore and a serial number. http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p482/jehsimon/DKprof0lowerARbuild_zps460665f4.jpeghttp://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p482/jehsimon/finishedproduct_zps8766e4fa.jpg Any my only tool was my diamond-hard penis!! 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:20:27 PM EDT
[#20]
I've put 3 together, no vise.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:38:32 PM EDT
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Haven't used a vice yet and I'm not a pro, just an enthusiast. I've built a dozen or so and never used a vice. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:03:05 PM EDT
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Yes. and use channel lock pliers to put the roll pins in This |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 11:22:13 PM EDT
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Yeah, I never used one.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 9:48:26 AM EDT
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lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, I guess I'll give it a shot without a vise. It just seems most of the YouTube videos I've watched included a vise. That may have just been for ease of filming. lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. You made an 80% lower without a vice or drill press? Did you use a dremel tool? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:52:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I did my first four on the floor of a motel room. Is your name Travis? Travis Bickle? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 11:10:30 AM EDT
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I have never used a vice,Im usually at the kitchen table or watching a movie on the couch(red dawn or similar movie playing)
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:01:54 PM EDT
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I've removed the sights on my M&P a couple of times without a vise or sight pusher or even an actual punch. A small rubber mallet and a towel work great for that job |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:36:11 PM EDT
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You do not need a vice |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:38:11 PM EDT
[#29]
Vices, we don't need no stinkin vices.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:39:50 PM EDT
[#30]
Quote HistoryQuoted: I have never used a vise on the 5 or so that I have done. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:43:50 PM EDT
[#31]
 I've never used one.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:45:54 PM EDT
[#32]
I've only assembled one myself. I didn't even have (proper
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:53:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Any my only tool was my diamond-hard penis!! Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Ok, I guess I'll give it a shot without a vise. It just seems most of the YouTube videos I've watched included a vise. That may have just been for ease of filming. lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. last time you told this story, you didn't even have a lower--just a handful of unsmelted ore and a serial number. http://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p482/jehsimon/DKprof0lowerARbuild_zps460665f4.jpeghttp://i1152.photobucket.com/albums/p482/jehsimon/finishedproduct_zps8766e4fa.jpg Any my only tool was my diamond-hard penis!! |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 6:54:44 PM EDT
[#34]
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Same. I'm not sure what you'd need a vice for? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have never used a vise on the 5 or so that I have done. Using a torque wrench on the castle nut. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:04:11 PM EDT
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The best AR assembly tool I have is a piece of brass rod (about 3/16" or 1/4" ?)that fits into the front take down hole. A small hole is drilled through the rod, allowing you to put in the front spring and detent, then turn the rod to hold the detent in. You can then follow the rod out as you push the front take down pin in. Makes it very easy to install the front take down pin without a detent flying across the room. ETA: Like this, but I just made my own... http://americancopmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AR-4.jpg I used a clevis pin. Cost was about 1.50 at home depot. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:17:38 PM EDT
[#36]
you only need a vice block for the upper to assemble a barrel into the upper.
Nobody uses a vice to assemble a lower. Link |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:18:55 PM EDT
[#37]
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Ouch no. The brownells punches are not that expensive. The specialty one is really nice for the bolt catch. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Yes. and use channel lock pliers to put the roll pins in Ouch no. The brownells punches are not that expensive. The specialty one is really nice for the bolt catch. Yep channel lock, use tape to protect the finish, with a punch you run the risk of breaking the ear off on the trigger guard. For the bolt catch I just used A needle nose to hold the pin and a ball peen hammer to drive it, no punch needed. I am a complete amateur though. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:20:42 PM EDT
[#38]
Yes.
I just lay mine on the bench and use a wooden block to support while beating on it. An upper does need a safe - or a wife with strong hands to torque the barrel nut down. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:20:49 PM EDT
[#39]
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Or just use an Allen wrench... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Never used a vice but a bright light and good glasses help to find wayward springs. Always have trouble with the detent pin. Or just use an Allen wrench... I just used a drill bit. This didnt give be any problems at all. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:23:20 PM EDT
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Is there a certain size Clovis pin I should get?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:23:25 PM EDT
[#41]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Always have trouble with the detent pin. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Never used a vice but a bright light and good glasses help to find wayward springs. Always have trouble with the detent pin. I will say some lowers can be really tight with the pins. I gave up on on trigger guard on one. I was going to break off an ear. I had to pay someone to finish it.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:24:04 PM EDT
[#42]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Yup |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:28:18 PM EDT
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You made an 80% lower without a vice or drill press? Did you use a dremel tool? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Ok, I guess I'll give it a shot without a vise. It just seems most of the YouTube videos I've watched included a vise. That may have just been for ease of filming. lol I've built an 80% lower without a vise, or a milling machine, or a drill press or anything like that, AND then assembled it with the lower parts kit without a vise. There is absolutely ZERO need for a vise to put a parts kit into a stripped lower. Seriously, I'm having a hard time even imagining when you'd even use a vise in that process. You made an 80% lower without a vice or drill press? Did you use a dremel tool? Yes. Just a handheld dremel tool and a vernier caliper for measuring. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:32:23 PM EDT
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All you need is a Leatherman Wave, a small punch, a long screw driver, and some tape just in case. Dont forget the proper size allen wrench for front latch pin |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:50:13 PM EDT
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Built my first AR in 1982, when I was 15. (XM-177E2 clone)
No vise. G.I. armorer's wrench and channel locks for the buffer tube lock ring. Just touched up the lock ring with model paint.
NEVER had a malfunction with that gun until I put a new DPMS barrel on it 16 years later. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:54:58 PM EDT
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Never used a vice.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:07:25 PM EDT
[#47]
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Yes. and use channel lock pliers to put the roll pins in I have a vice (several) and didnt use them for any of my builds. Channel locks and a little blue tape. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:10:57 PM EDT
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The best AR assembly tool I have is a piece of brass rod (about 3/16" or 1/4" ?)that fits into the front take down hole. A small hole is drilled through the rod, allowing you to put in the front spring and detent, then turn the rod to hold the detent in. You can then follow the rod out as you push the front take down pin in. Makes it very easy to install the front take down pin without a detent flying across the room. ETA: Like this, but I just made my own... http://americancopmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AR-4.jpg Wow, that is brilliant. After launching my first detent pin, I started using an automitive feeler gauge to hold spring and detent in while I slid the takedown pin in. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:11:45 PM EDT
[#49]
Yes . I never use a vise
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:13:34 PM EDT
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Wow, that is brilliant. After launching my first detent pin, I started using an automitive feeler gauge to hold spring and detent in while I slid the takedown pin in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The best AR assembly tool I have is a piece of brass rod (about 3/16" or 1/4" ?)that fits into the front take down hole. A small hole is drilled through the rod, allowing you to put in the front spring and detent, then turn the rod to hold the detent in. You can then follow the rod out as you push the front take down pin in. Makes it very easy to install the front take down pin without a detent flying across the room. ETA: Like this, but I just made my own... http://americancopmagazine.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/AR-4.jpg Wow, that is brilliant. After launching my first detent pin, I started using an automitive feeler gauge to hold spring and detent in while I slid the takedown pin in. About 10 years ago I bought a little plastic doodad that does the same thing. I think I paid 4 bucks for it. |
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