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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:03:47 PM EDT
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IIRC, the San Francisco cyclist who killed a pedestrian got just probation.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:13:10 PM EDT
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IIRC, the San Francisco cyclist who killed a pedestrian got just probation. Was he drunk though? If not why would that be criminal if it was just an accident? |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:17:35 PM EDT
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That is just flat disgusting. I have no patience for drunks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Vehicular homicide gets only three years and eight months. One third gets knocked off for good conduct/work time. She also gets credit for time served. That means in about two years time she's back behind the wheel. That is just flat disgusting. I have no patience for drunks. Stupidity is stupidity no matter what form it comes in, be it drunk driving or cutting in and out of traffic on a bike. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 6:44:50 PM EDT
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IIRC, the San Francisco cyclist who killed a pedestrian got just probation. He got 3 years probation and 1,000 hours community service. IMO, it's a light sentence. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 7:09:19 PM EDT
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He got 3 years probation and 1,000 hours community service. IMO, it's a light sentence. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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IIRC, the San Francisco cyclist who killed a pedestrian got just probation. He got 3 years probation and 1,000 hours community service. IMO, it's a light sentence. Yep for basically firing into a crowd of people. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 7:12:35 PM EDT
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The driving drunk is unacceptable! Bicyclist? mmmm. I've wanted to do the same at times. If you are biking on MY road. Do the speed limit or get to the side, in your bike lane! YOUR ROAD herppp derpppp 
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:41:32 PM EDT
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Vehicular manslaughter, not homicide. It's a completely different concept, from the point of view of the law. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Vehicular homicide gets only three years and eight months. One third gets knocked off for good conduct/work time. She also gets credit for time served. That means in about two years time she's back behind the wheel. Vehicular manslaughter, not homicide. It's a completely different concept, from the point of view of the law. Especially since she wasn't the one that actually killed him, although she did cause the multiple vehicle accident. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:43:35 PM EDT
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Has anyone here actually ever came out and said exactly that? It seems like a pretty unsupportable position. I see a LOT more of the "let's execute drunks on the side of the road" mentality, which is as  , IMO.Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Choosing to drive drunk should equal choosing to be killed for killing someone. In before the drunks ask about people who get in accidents while, let's see, eating, putting on makeup, texting, etc. etc. 
Edit: Aaaaaaaaaaaand, I even made it in before the kooks who will claim drunk driving is a "victimless crime." Tell it to the dead guy. Has anyone here actually ever came out and said exactly that? It seems like a pretty unsupportable position. I see a LOT more of the "let's execute drunks on the side of the road" mentality, which is as , IMO.Oh yeah, we've had several of our resident drunk drivers say that. The hang 'em high crowd, well they've usually lost somebody to a drunk. They might get emotional about that. The drunks? they don't want to pay if caught. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:46:44 PM EDT
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Bicyclists huh.....Maybe a half a shit given.  How about that guy that designed the bonfire that collapsed? Any shits given there? |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:50:37 PM EDT
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So you think adjusting your radio is the equivalent to getting almost black out drunk and getting behind the wheel? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Choosing to drive drunk should equal choosing to be killed for killing someone. In before the drunks ask about people who get in accidents while, let's see, eating, putting on makeup, texting, etc. etc.
Edit: Aaaaaaaaaaaand, I even made it in before the kooks who will claim drunk driving is a "victimless crime." Tell it to the dead guy. Because the deaths from distracted driving are sooo much less than DUI, right? Like it or not, distracted driving is no less a choice than DUI; same penalty should apply. So you think adjusting your radio is the equivalent to getting almost black out drunk and getting behind the wheel? Dead is dead |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:52:08 PM EDT
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Actually it's fuel taxes that pay for most transportation projects. I'll make a deal with you. Build a cycling path infrastructure like most of Western Europe has (10-15 foot wide paths paralleling highways) and I'll go for it. All we need to do is move houses back and do eminent domain on everyone's yards. Since I drive (lots) too and pay plenty of gas taxes I can appreciate my tax dollars helping to clear Lycra clad zombies off the roads. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Maybe if cyclists paid for registration and plates they could get more bike paths? Actually it's fuel taxes that pay for most transportation projects. I'll make a deal with you. Build a cycling path infrastructure like most of Western Europe has (10-15 foot wide paths paralleling highways) and I'll go for it. All we need to do is move houses back and do eminent domain on everyone's yards. Since I drive (lots) too and pay plenty of gas taxes I can appreciate my tax dollars helping to clear Lycra clad zombies off the roads. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile And I bet we can get most of ArfCom out there helping the crews enforcing eminent domain papers getting served. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:55:39 PM EDT
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seems pretty low to me. she decided to engage in reckless behavior that ended in the horrible death of an innocent human being. Like a poster above me alluded to, if I started randomly shooting bullets into a crowd, and killed someone, would I not get a higher sentence than 3 years, 8 months? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Average to actually a long sentence. seems pretty low to me. she decided to engage in reckless behavior that ended in the horrible death of an innocent human being. Like a poster above me alluded to, if I started randomly shooting bullets into a crowd, and killed someone, would I not get a higher sentence than 3 years, 8 months? Well of course, drinking to excess is socially acceptable for many people, shooting not so much. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:01:04 PM EDT
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Here's what I don't get: She was a drunk 21-year old woman. If the law says she can't consent to sex then I wonder how the law is able to find her liable for her decision to drive and to flee the scene. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If your first response after severely injuring somebody is to run away rather than render aid, you are a worthless human being with no redeeming value. Seeing as though the person died, I see no reason for why she shouldn't as well.  Here's what I don't get: She was a drunk 21-year old woman. If the law says she can't consent to sex then I wonder how the law is able to find her liable for her decision to drive and to flee the scene. hmm what law is that? care to post a cite?? Here's a good place to start looking http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/codes.xhtml |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:13:26 PM EDT
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Some of you in this thread talk as if roads are reserved strictly for cars.
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Posted: 4/24/2014 10:19:40 PM EDT
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Some of you in this thread talk as if roads are reserved strictly for cars. Please produce evidence of this claim, and make sure it goes beyond the scope of your dumbass opinion. Lol good luck, all these fatties just hate on bikes because A. they're too uncoordinated to ride one. B. They suck at navigating their motor vehicle. C. They have nothing better to do then complain when allowed out of the basement. Or D. they're just dumb as shit |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:34:31 AM EDT
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Lol good luck, all these fatties just hate on bikes because A. they're too uncoordinated to ride one. B. They suck at navigating their motor vehicle. C. They have nothing better to do then complain when allowed out of the basement. Or D. they're just dumb as shit Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of you in this thread talk as if roads are reserved strictly for cars. Please produce evidence of this claim, and make sure it goes beyond the scope of your dumbass opinion. Lol good luck, all these fatties just hate on bikes because A. they're too uncoordinated to ride one. B. They suck at navigating their motor vehicle. C. They have nothing better to do then complain when allowed out of the basement. Or D. they're just dumb as shit Or maybe because we are not fatties but A; have been stuck behind self indulgent spandex queens; B think that people operating a vehicle that has no business on public roads is a bad idea; or C that cyclists as a group have made 80% of the country hate them because as a group that are a huge bunch of douche bags. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:56:43 AM EDT
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Or maybe because we are not fatties but A; have been stuck behind self indulgent spandex queens; B think that people operating a vehicle that has no business on public roads is a bad idea; or C that cyclists as a group have made 80% of the country hate them because as a group that are a huge bunch of douche bags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of you in this thread talk as if roads are reserved strictly for cars. Please produce evidence of this claim, and make sure it goes beyond the scope of your dumbass opinion. Lol good luck, all these fatties just hate on bikes because A. they're too uncoordinated to ride one. B. They suck at navigating their motor vehicle. C. They have nothing better to do then complain when allowed out of the basement. Or D. they're just dumb as shit Or maybe because we are not fatties but A; have been stuck behind self indulgent spandex queens; B think that people operating a vehicle that has no business on public roads is a bad idea; or C that cyclists as a group have made 80% of the country hate them because as a group that are a huge bunch of douche bags. Before making stupid comments about having no business on public roads, perhaps you should look into who was responsible for improving roads and highways before the advent of automobiles. Not that it would change your hatred of cyclists, but some education on the matter wouldn't hurt. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 7:56:47 AM EDT
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Choosing to drive drunk should equal choosing to be killed for killing someone. In before the drunks ask about people who get in accidents while, let's see, eating, putting on makeup, texting, etc. etc.
Edit: Aaaaaaaaaaaand, I even made it in before the kooks who will claim drunk driving is a "victimless crime." Tell it to the dead guy. Because the deaths from distracted driving are sooo much less than DUI, right? Like it or not, distracted driving is no less a choice than DUI; same penalty should apply. So you think adjusting your radio is the equivalent to getting almost black out drunk and getting behind the wheel? Dead is dead Really? |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 8:02:00 AM EDT
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Before making stupid comments about having no business on public roads, perhaps you should look into who was responsible for improving roads and highways before the advent of automobiles. Not that it would change your hatred of cyclists, but some education on the matter wouldn't hurt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of you in this thread talk as if roads are reserved strictly for cars. Please produce evidence of this claim, and make sure it goes beyond the scope of your dumbass opinion. Lol good luck, all these fatties just hate on bikes because A. they're too uncoordinated to ride one. B. They suck at navigating their motor vehicle. C. They have nothing better to do then complain when allowed out of the basement. Or D. they're just dumb as shit Or maybe because we are not fatties but A; have been stuck behind self indulgent spandex queens; B think that people operating a vehicle that has no business on public roads is a bad idea; or C that cyclists as a group have made 80% of the country hate them because as a group that are a huge bunch of douche bags. Before making stupid comments about having no business on public roads, perhaps you should look into who was responsible for improving roads and highways before the advent of automobiles. Not that it would change your hatred of cyclists, but some education on the matter wouldn't hurt. Before making stupid comments about irrelevant facts from a century ago, why not look at the $60 billion dollars collected each year from gasoline taxes. Some education on the matter wouldn't hurt. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 10:46:19 AM EDT
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How about people get a cab or DD? No reason to drink then get in a car. They can lower the limit to 0.0% for all i care.
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Posted: 4/25/2014 12:23:51 PM EDT
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Before making stupid comments about irrelevant facts from a century ago, why not look at the $60 billion dollars collected each year from gasoline taxes. Some education on the matter wouldn't hurt. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of you in this thread talk as if roads are reserved strictly for cars. Please produce evidence of this claim, and make sure it goes beyond the scope of your dumbass opinion. Lol good luck, all these fatties just hate on bikes because A. they're too uncoordinated to ride one. B. They suck at navigating their motor vehicle. C. They have nothing better to do then complain when allowed out of the basement. Or D. they're just dumb as shit Or maybe because we are not fatties but A; have been stuck behind self indulgent spandex queens; B think that people operating a vehicle that has no business on public roads is a bad idea; or C that cyclists as a group have made 80% of the country hate them because as a group that are a huge bunch of douche bags. Before making stupid comments about having no business on public roads, perhaps you should look into who was responsible for improving roads and highways before the advent of automobiles. Not that it would change your hatred of cyclists, but some education on the matter wouldn't hurt. Before making stupid comments about irrelevant facts from a century ago, why not look at the $60 billion dollars collected each year from gasoline taxes. Some education on the matter wouldn't hurt. I see. You don't like a fact, so that makes it irrelevant. And you're saying that if you don't own a vehicle and purchase gasoline, then you aren't allowed to use the roads. Right? Perhaps you should look into gas taxes and understand how roads are actually paid for. Bike myths debunked "Many people mistakenly believe that taxes levied on gas pay for road construction and maintenance. However, the funding from gas taxes makes up a relatively small amount of transportation funding. According to a 2011 report by the U.S. PIRG Education Fund, gas taxes and other “user fees,” like automobile registration, fund only about half of the nation’s road expenses. The remaining costs are covered through general government funding." |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 2:50:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about that guy that designed the bonfire that collapsed? Any shits given there? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Bicyclists huh.....Maybe a half a shit given. How about that guy that designed the bonfire that collapsed? Any shits given there? That really took a lot of originality and creativity. Somewhere, a village is missing you
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Posted: 4/25/2014 3:08:06 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryOriginally Posted By VACaver I see. You don't like a fact, so that makes it irrelevant. And you're saying that if you don't own a vehicle and purchase gasoline, then you aren't allowed to use the roads. Right? Perhaps you should look into gas taxes and understand how roads are actually paid for. Bike myths debunked "Many people mistakenly believe that taxes levied on gas pay for road construction and maintenance. However, the funding from gas taxes makes up a relatively small amount of transportation funding. According to a 2011 report by the U.S. PIRG Education Fund, gas taxes and other "user fees,” like automobile registration, fund only about half of the nation’s road expenses. The remaining costs are covered through general government funding." So... us cage drivers pay for Half PLUS our share out of the general fund, while someone on a bike is taxed no differently than a pedestrian on a sidewalk, yet they can impede traffic, and indeed pose a danger to me getting a pickup shoved up my tailpipe when I have to brake suddenly for their asses because they are too macho TO STAY IN THE FUCKING BIKE LANE ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THEM!  Yeah, go make your environmental statement somewhere else, or at least don't fucking ride during rush hour, I would like to get home without the bullshit. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 3:13:18 PM EDT
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I see. You don't like a fact, so that makes it irrelevant. And you're saying that if you don't own a vehicle and purchase gasoline, then you aren't allowed to use the roads. Right? Perhaps you should look into gas taxes and understand how roads are actually paid for. Bike myths debunked "Many people mistakenly believe that taxes levied on gas pay for road construction and maintenance. However, the funding from gas taxes makes up a relatively small amount of transportation funding. According to a 2011 report by the U.S. PIRG Education Fund, gas taxes and other “user fees,” like automobile registration, fund only about half of the nation’s road expenses. The remaining costs are covered through general government funding." Don't cry moon pie, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Facts are mean. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 3:59:50 PM EDT
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The way some of you paint with broad brushes is EXACTLY like gun-banning socialists. class envy is also thick. the basement dwelling neckbeards resent the fact the people can be healthy, successful, and have enough wealth to spend 12k on a bicycle. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:13:58 PM EDT
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Or maybe because we are not fatties but A; have been stuck behind self indulgent spandex queens; B think that people operating a vehicle that has no business on public roads is a bad idea; or C that cyclists as a group have made 80% of the country hate them because as a group that are a huge bunch of douche bags. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some of you in this thread talk as if roads are reserved strictly for cars. Please produce evidence of this claim, and make sure it goes beyond the scope of your dumbass opinion. Lol good luck, all these fatties just hate on bikes because A. they're too uncoordinated to ride one. B. They suck at navigating their motor vehicle. C. They have nothing better to do then complain when allowed out of the basement. Or D. they're just dumb as shit Or maybe because we are not fatties but A; have been stuck behind self indulgent spandex queens; B think that people operating a vehicle that has no business on public roads is a bad idea; or C that cyclists as a group have made 80% of the country hate them because as a group that are a huge bunch of douche bags. See in bold. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:48:07 PM EDT
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So... us cage drivers pay for Half PLUS our share out of the general fund, while someone on a bike is taxed no differently than a pedestrian on a sidewalk, yet they can impede traffic, and indeed pose a danger to me getting a pickup shoved up my tailpipe when I have to brake suddenly for their asses because they are too macho TO STAY IN THE FUCKING BIKE LANE ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THEM!
Yeah, go make your environmental statement somewhere else, or at least don't fucking ride during rush hour, I would like to get home without the bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see. You don't like a fact, so that makes it irrelevant. And you're saying that if you don't own a vehicle and purchase gasoline, then you aren't allowed to use the roads. Right? Perhaps you should look into gas taxes and understand how roads are actually paid for. Bike myths debunked "Many people mistakenly believe that taxes levied on gas pay for road construction and maintenance. However, the funding from gas taxes makes up a relatively small amount of transportation funding. According to a 2011 report by the U.S. PIRG Education Fund, gas taxes and other "user fees,” like automobile registration, fund only about half of the nation’s road expenses. The remaining costs are covered through general government funding." So... us cage drivers pay for Half PLUS our share out of the general fund, while someone on a bike is taxed no differently than a pedestrian on a sidewalk, yet they can impede traffic, and indeed pose a danger to me getting a pickup shoved up my tailpipe when I have to brake suddenly for their asses because they are too macho TO STAY IN THE FUCKING BIKE LANE ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THEM!
Yeah, go make your environmental statement somewhere else, or at least don't fucking ride during rush hour, I would like to get home without the bullshit. Oh fucking spare me. What makes you think that most, if not all, bicyclists don't also own cars? I have lost track of how much I have paid in personal property/car and gasoline taxes over the years while I ride my bicycle to work. And as to rush hour, here's another shocker. That's precisely when I have to head home from work, being a hardworking taxpayer with a 8-4 job myself. Excuse the hell out of me for wanting to get home in one piece. Some of you really need to get over yourselves. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:49:43 PM EDT
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The way some of you paint with broad brushes is EXACTLY like gun-banning socialists. class envy is also thick. the basement dwelling neckbeards resent the fact the people can be healthy, successful, and have enough wealth to spend $800 on a bicycle. FIFY. Some of us aren't loaded. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 4:55:42 PM EDT
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Why do we have special DUI laws?
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:12:59 PM EDT
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So... us cage drivers pay for Half PLUS our share out of the general fund, while someone on a bike is taxed no differently than a pedestrian on a sidewalk, yet they can impede traffic, and indeed pose a danger to me getting a pickup shoved up my tailpipe when I have to brake suddenly for their asses because they are too macho TO STAY IN THE FUCKING BIKE LANE ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THEM!
Yeah, go make your environmental statement somewhere else, or at least don't fucking ride during rush hour, I would like to get home without the bullshit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see. You don't like a fact, so that makes it irrelevant. And you're saying that if you don't own a vehicle and purchase gasoline, then you aren't allowed to use the roads. Right? Perhaps you should look into gas taxes and understand how roads are actually paid for. Bike myths debunked "Many people mistakenly believe that taxes levied on gas pay for road construction and maintenance. However, the funding from gas taxes makes up a relatively small amount of transportation funding. According to a 2011 report by the U.S. PIRG Education Fund, gas taxes and other "user fees,” like automobile registration, fund only about half of the nation’s road expenses. The remaining costs are covered through general government funding." So... us cage drivers pay for Half PLUS our share out of the general fund, while someone on a bike is taxed no differently than a pedestrian on a sidewalk, yet they can impede traffic, and indeed pose a danger to me getting a pickup shoved up my tailpipe when I have to brake suddenly for their asses because they are too macho TO STAY IN THE FUCKING BIKE LANE ALREADY PROVIDED FOR THEM!
Yeah, go make your environmental statement somewhere else, or at least don't fucking ride during rush hour, I would like to get home without the bullshit. You think that someone on a bike does not own a car? Or the person walking down the sidewalk is doing so because they don't have wheels? I own three motor vehicles and pay my fair share of taxes for roads...yet because I ride a bike for exercise you automatically assume I pay less in taxes than you do. And show me, please, where it says those roads are ONLY for motor vehicles. Oh, and I do ride in the bike lane if one is available...which is not always the case. But I gotta tell ya, Einstein, being in the bike lane doesn't mean shit. You kings of the road have no trouble veering into it while you text, fuck with your radio, yell at your kids, light your cigarette, etc. Believe me, I watch for you very closely and do everything possible to avoid you . I'm not the hazard...you are. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:16:13 PM EDT
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Don't cry moon pie, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Facts are mean. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I see. You don't like a fact, so that makes it irrelevant. And you're saying that if you don't own a vehicle and purchase gasoline, then you aren't allowed to use the roads. Right? Perhaps you should look into gas taxes and understand how roads are actually paid for. Bike myths debunked "Many people mistakenly believe that taxes levied on gas pay for road construction and maintenance. However, the funding from gas taxes makes up a relatively small amount of transportation funding. According to a 2011 report by the U.S. PIRG Education Fund, gas taxes and other “user fees,” like automobile registration, fund only about half of the nation’s road expenses. The remaining costs are covered through general government funding." Don't cry moon pie, I didn't mean to hurt your feelings. Facts are mean. Don't worry, you didn't hurt my feelings. Far from it, in fact. Actually, if you re-read what I wrote, you'd see that I provided facts...you chose to ignore (or misunderstood) them. No biggie. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:25:21 PM EDT
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IIRC, the San Francisco cyclist who killed a pedestrian got just probation. Was he drunk though? If not why would that be criminal if it was just an accident? He ran a light or two IIRC. |
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Posted: 4/25/2014 5:44:14 PM EDT
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PEAK DERP has been reached in this thread.
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