The adapter is the controlled part, not the filter.

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Ok, but I can buy the adapter @ the gun show - until there's a hole in the oil filter, the adapter isn't a controlled part - it's a what the hell do they call it?  Oh yeah, a "solvent trap."

I'm not trying to do anything illegal here, I'm just trying to understand why if you do the Form 1, aren't you the manufacturer?  So when the crappy oil filter wears out, you torch cut it into 4 pieces, then go down to the auto parts store & buy a new one.  I'm missing something, or everyone would be doing this.  What is that something?

Is it another $200 to engrave a new oil filter?  Even if we put it inside a fixed length can?  Is it only SOTs can repair suppressors & replace baffles?  But if you manufactured your own suppressor, and a baffle breaks, surely you can open up the can, remove the broken baffle, torch cut it into 4 parts, make a new baffle, & repair your own suppressor, right?  So why can't I replace the oil filter inside my can?

I understand no one is doing this b/c we think it's illegal.  What I'm not understanding is WHY it's illegal.  Is there a BATFE Tech Branch letter that forbids oil filter suppressors?  No, b/c there's someone selling tax stamped engraved ones.  So why can't we do this?

I will only agree with you on point 1.  That is the sole reason suppressors are so expensive, lots of R&D and a fairly small market.  Tooling is a cost as is materials, but your idea that SS is incompatible as a blast baffle is totally fucking wrong.  It is the preferred blast baffle material in form 1 builds.  Also, titanium is really no worse to machine than stainless, just needs the right tools and the right SFM feeds.  You could get plenty of titanium and inconel on ebay right now too.

Seriously, some of you need to read around a little before you get fucked.  


ANY SUPPRESSOR PART IS A CONTROLLED PART!

IT IS ILLEGAL TO MAKE OR POSSES SPARE PARTS THAT ARE NOT ON THEIR OWN FORM 1 !

ONLY A MANUFACTURER MAY REPLACE PARTS!

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Why do you think we're asking the questions up front?

Here's the disconnect.  If I build an AR from an 80% lower, ain't I the manufacturer?  If I send in my $200, & get a stamp back, & build my suppressor - with as fancy an internal baffle stack as you may dream of, ain't I the manufacturer?  So if I ding one of the baffles, you're saying I can't remove it, destroy it, & then build another single baffle & replace it, even though I'm the one that built the suppressor in the first place?

Let me ask it another way.  Let's say I get my stamp, and build a suppressor w/ 10 separate internal baffles.  I ding one.  I destroy that baffle by torch cutting it into 4 parts.  I now have 9 baffles.  I can't make a new baffle to replace the one that was destroyed?

If you build your own suppressor on a form 1, no one but you is ever going to know whether or not it consists of it's original parts that you made "the day after" you got the form with stamp affixed in your mailbox.

Given that... does it really matter whether it's illegal or not?

So, if you make your own, you are the manufacturer?

Making a suppressor does not make you an FFL-holding licensed manufacturer.

1 and 2 are correct.  I can buy a suppressor here for $100-$200, so there is nothing to the cost of design, materials, or manufacturing that that won't cover unless you think companies on this side of the world give shit away for free (they don't).

ATF considers a suppressor part to be classified as a suppressor. I hope that lawsuit on the muzzle brake overturns that.

If someone sponsors the NFA taxes, I'll start legally making shit out of ordinary household items to muffle the report if a firearm  to help present the evidence in front of a federal judge to prove that according to the ATF that everyone is in possession of silencer parts.

I wonder how many potatoes, soda bottles, and water balloons are on the NFA registry?   I'm sure someone made suppressors out of pipe and freeze plugs.

Jury nullification could apply in a criminal case regarding these circumstances.

ETA: or run a thread tap into some plywood

They are serialized together, and to replace the oil filter it has to go back to the SOT that built it, and they can "repair" it.  

So... don't think you can just change the oil filter once it gets all shot up.  

I know that as well as anyone.  I got lazy.  On a funnier note, Grabcad models seem to be correct more often than models I get from my customers

NO. A non-licensee who makes a firearm or a suppressor is a maker.
A manufacturer is a person or entity which holds a license to manufacture.

Ah ha!  There's the distinction I was looking for.  Thanks for clearing that up.

You can MAKE a suppressor, but only a MANUFACTURER can REPAIR it.  Which is why we don't all have $5 oil filters hanging off our $200 tax stamped engraved "solvent traps".

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