wut.

 

It made lots of money even when the economy tanked in 2008 and was growing more when I sold it.





The reason why it made money is because I listened to the customers and fixed problems for them.  The young man that stupid teacher is abusing probably isn't as socially awkward as that stupid bitch thinks he is.  He just might prefer to listen and learn instead of blabbing on about how little he knows.  It isn't his fault that the other kids can't or won't learn what he taught to himself.  There is a time to speak up and a time to be quite.



When I ran that business, I began noticing that it was much more common for the youngest workers to be more about spewing nonsensical crap than they were about listening to the skilled and knowlegable worker's around them.



The sudden uptick in this behaviour led me to suspect the school system was to blame and now we have prove.





The opening statements in that guide are the self important crowings of some egg head who likes to hear how good they are at saving the poor children.  Now they want the poor kid to be just like fucking obama.  An idiot who doesn't know what he's talking about, but is the first to open his yap and crow about it the kids who are take his word for it.





Those number lines aren't going to teach shit.





Math teachers were always the worse sorts.  They liked math for it's own sake when the majority of the world just needs to use it as a tool.





Those idiots always figured out how to make everything more difficult than it actually was.





I remember algebra freshman year in high school.  The stupid teacher had everybody all fucked up for several days of class.  Luckily, the stupid bastard got the flue and this old man came in to sub.  He immediately find's out that none of us knew what was going on and asks us if we knew what FOIL meant.   It took him two seconds of seeing our dumb looks and then he writes down, FOIL, First, Outside, Inside, Last.  Everybody, gasped.  He couldn't believe the teacher never showed us this and we couldn't either.





We went to the next lesson.





Most of those kids never got to trigonometry which is highly useful for lots of trades.  The ancient Egyptians invented it to be able to replot property lines after the annual Nile inundations destroyed the property line markers.





Having been through advanced math training every year all the way through my sophomore year in college, I found only one teacher that actually knew what he was doing.  It was my senior year in college in a turbomachinery course and the professor was a Phd. mechanical engineer from Taiwan.  He taught advanced math in the most straightforward manner I had ever scene.  Most of the students were shocked at how much more sense it made after having been through a full year of five hour calc freshman year and another year of 3 hour advanced math courses sophomore year.  





One of the professors even hinted that teaching math needed to be pulled away from the wierdo hippies in the math department and brought into the engineering department and we would all be better off.
 

American public schools have mostly sucked for a very long time.

If your kid doesn't like public school, that's probably a good thing.  Teach him about the need to jump through hoops to shut the teacher up and encourage him to learn on his own time.

Alternatively - put them in a private school.

Good for you.

My point... you missed it.


I'll spell it out for you in very simple terms.


A.)  Teachers do what they are told.  Or they are eval'ed out and fired.
B.)  Teachers have no say in directives from the state.
C.)   If an employee wants to keep their job and needed income, they do what they are told to do by the ones that make the decisions.
D.)  When you are hauled in and told what you will do, you will do it or sign up for unemployment.

So... without another long-winded recital, I ask you again....  When are you going to burn your company to the ground and leave your profession?  That is exactly what you are demanding of others.

Or should we just brand "hypocrite" on your forehead now and never allow you around others?

Everything you said is bullshit and deeply sad.
The iron curtain came crashing down when critical mass happened and people just left.  Armed border guards left too instead of shooting them.  They probably did shoot at few at first.
Teacher's do have a say.  If they don't, then why are they in unions?  Contrary to popular belief, non union employees also have a say.  I knew damn well that if you want to run a business, you have to have the support of your employees.  That doesn't mean they were always happy, or that I didn't make mistakes, but it does mean, they had a say and they knew it.  Even people in the military have a say.  That doesn't mean they can get away with mutiny, but it does mean that we have had threads where ship commander's were relieved of command based on episodes of bad leadership as described by the crew.  The crew used their brains and bided their time.  In the end, they prevailed.
You just can't be stupid about it and you have to pick your battles and your timing.
I did it many times with that business.  I didn't burn it to the ground.  That would have been stupid.  But I often had to force my biggest customer to do things the right way instead of what they wanted.  If I lost that customer, I would be out of business.  Even so, there were occasions when the customer was totally wrong and screaming at me.  I gave back what they dished out and did what had to be done and proved myself right which got the problem fixed.  Sometimes, I finessed the situation later.  Othertimes, I confronted it like a brick wall.
Like it our not teachers, have more than just the "state", the school district or the federal government to work for.  Ultimately, all those entities have to keep the parents and the taxpayer's happy.
You are already hearing in this thread about dozens of people talking about home schooling, private schools, etc.
There is more than one way for the teachers to be fired.  They can be fired by their supervisor, or their school can be closed due to falling enrollment.
The coming years aren't going to be easy.  The government has been pushing and people are pushing back.  This time, most of them aren't hippies.
 

How many years have you been a teacher? I am a non-union teacher, and have been for 7 years.  I came into the profession after selling the investment management practice that I ran for 15 years.  I've seen both private and public sector in different capacities.

Seriously, you are so full of shit, your eyes are brown.

I've yet to see a situation where a single employee wasn't in a position where the employer couldn't replace them.  I've watched 14 teachers at my school leave the profession over common core in the last two years.

Do you know what has changed?  Not a damned thing.

Putting it quite simple.  I have bills to pay like anyone else.  I have a three year old that I am planning on private schooling, and paying for college.  I will do what my employer tells me to do, keep my job, and expect YOU VOTERS to address the legislators passing the rules that I am told to follow.

You tell me right now what a single teacher should do about this that doesn't involve financial ruination for HIS family and children. Who should I "relieve of command?"   Until then, you are barking up the wrong tree.

For that matter... when was the last time you told one of your clients to BREAK THE LAW or you would quit?  ANYONE that I voice my opinions to is going to follow the law that your legislators passed.  Shall I relieve our senators of "command?"

How about you first...

Agreed.  It's not good good enough anymore to be a walking calculator.  People in the real world have to communicate and work with other people.  Your kids apparently does this poorly and is not meeting expectations.  

Ahhhh, the magic of federal government getting involved where it has no business

First, of all the teacher in this case went above and beyond doing what they were told and is punishing the student like a party member in good standing.
Second of all, your being a hopeless victim.  You not even defending common core and it took several posts before it to become apparent that it sounds like you don't much care for it either.
14 teachers quit over it and you are asking what a SINGLE teacher can do?  This isn't about you.
If you want to improve your lot, find the other teachers that don't like it either.  Get them involved with parents that don't like it.
No one VOTED for this bullshit.  Except some politician.  It can be changed.
The really funny thing is that you are going to send YOUR kid to private school.  Ever think of getting a job at one of those private schools?
The tatoo on the forehead comment comes from getting pissed off about bullshit.  I was a student.  I was affected by similar bullshit.  I owned a business and I had to teach basic skills to employees because they didn't learn them in school.
I'm done.  I had some really good teachers and I remember them by name.  I had some lousy one's two.  They didn't listen and they didn't think of better ways to achieve results.  No point in wasting time on them.  That was the best thing about college.  If you figured out the course sucked, you had a chance of transferring to a better course.  I'm transferring out and you can fight people who hate lousy methods and speak up about it instead of fighting those that force the lousy methods on everyone.
You could have given the OP insight on how he might be able to help his son.  Instead, you just whined about not being able to do anything.
 

As a former inner city high school English teacher who tried to raise everyone UP...THIS.

Right now, the U.S. society is having a problem with the opposite end of that sociology.  We have the glib, slick, narcissists acting out roles that consist of little to no substance.  Obamanation is made up of that kind of sociopath from top to bottom.   When it comes to solving the tough problems, I will take the smart but socially lacking geniuses every time.

When the OP is being told his child is having trouble socializing, and then in the same sentence being told his child is being withheld from arguably the most social activity in school (recess) as punishment, it does make one wonder.   So how about you give ME a fucking break.

Kids like the OP's don't socialize at recess, they walk around like loners by themselves.  He didn't follow the rules, so he was punished.  Do what you're told and you get a recess.

This reminds me of a discussion that I had with my dad this week.  Dad is going in for a triple by-pass on Tuesday.  We met with the surgeon yesterday.
My dad commented to me afterwards that the surgeon "didn't have much of a personality."

I commented that this was good-- I don't want someone who gets by on his personality doing his surgery.

Common core is trash.

My wife went to visit her little brothers (who are in Jr high) and they don't learn crap in school.

The "workbooks" she thumbed through take information and dumb it down to the point it's just useful for cramming for tests, but not making you a smarter/more useful human being.

Come again? Last I checked even the weirdest kids got together to play pokemon or something.When I was a kid, a kid that threw tantrums and attempted to bite the teacher that dragged his ass out of class had several friends to hang out with. Even the kid that literally smelled like shit had friends.

 

If your son is as gifted as you say...I'd seriously think about private school.

The elimination of this will be an eventual goal of common core. It will be seen as an unfair advantage and touted only by disgruntled fringe elements of society i.e. anti-government types, patriot groups etc....

Think of it this way, how easy is it to learn something new on the job when your constantly having to teach others how to do the things you already know how to do?

All the kids in his math group are moving ahead only as fast as the slowest kid in their group. If the kid already understands the math he is doing, making him explain what he has already mastered to the kids who don't understand deprives him of the learning time to further improve his own math skills. Furthermore, the kids who don't understand the math are now being taught not by a supposed teacher, but rather by  a kid their own age who may or may not have any skill at teaching them anything.  

If you put your kids under this common core curriculum you are deriving them of a chance to excel, and condemning them to lowest common denominator mediocrity.

The kid isn't participating in his math class.  Participation isn't something new, the OP's kid isn't the first awkward child to pass through the school's halls, and being held out of recess didn't start with the advent of common core.

None of this is new, it's not the beginning of the end, the kid will survive a day or two away from kickball to figure out how to interact with his classmates.

So, first of all, I already have my kid seeing a counselor to get him to be more verbal and learn how to express himself and stand up for himself.  I'm well aware of his social needs.

I talked to the teacher.  All of this has to do with common core, according to her.  However, at this time they are not actually required, she is just "making sure they are ready for next year" when the requirements will actually be in place.  There are some new standard tests as well.

We agreed on a different way to handle the situation that should help to get him to where he needs to be socially over time, aside from punishment which only discourages him more.  If you can't put your thoughts into words in front of other people in certain situations it's going to take some time to learn, you can't give them the choice of being able to do it acceptably immediately or take a punishment.

 

Repaired.

Beautiful post.