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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:17:38 PM EDT
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Easy, brother.... Like I said, we need that stick-pointy icon thing. 
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but some seem simply UNABLE to control themselves when it comes to Muslims. Almost 3,000 dead in my hometown in less than an hour will do that to people... ETA: We don't have the stick-poking icon?  And NOTHING AT ALL in the Code of Conduct prohibits you from wishing death and damnation and all sorts of horrible things upon the people that carried out those acts, or on any other extremist muslims that want to engage in violence or terrorism. But the second that extends to wishing death on ALL muslims, then it is not any different from people who condemn all Catholics (and shit all over them) for the actions of a few bad priests. Either will earn an account warning, because it's the same principle. Easy, brother.... Like I said, we need that stick-pointy icon thing.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:26:37 PM EDT
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:29:58 PM EDT
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How are all the non-mods looking up people's ban histories? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dave A was let back. What's the statute or limitations? Can we sponsor Monroe into a similar program? He has had twice the chances Dave_A was given. I assure you he will not be returning. I took a peek in there, and was amazed by what I saw. How are all the non-mods looking up people's ban histories? BushBoar is a mod of the Legal subforum (who knew) and AeroE is a mod in a bunch of the Armory subforums. The mod icon only shows up when the user is posting in a forum that they are a mod of. Makes sense, given that mod authority is forum-specific. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:32:31 PM EDT
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BushBoar is a mod of the Legal subforum (who knew) and AeroE is a mod in a bunch of the Armory subforums. The mod icon only shows up when the user is posting in a forum that they are a mod of. Makes sense, given that mod authority is forum-specific. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dave A was let back. What's the statute or limitations? Can we sponsor Monroe into a similar program? He has had twice the chances Dave_A was given. I assure you he will not be returning. I took a peek in there, and was amazed by what I saw. How are all the non-mods looking up people's ban histories? BushBoar is a mod of the Legal subforum (who knew) and AeroE is a mod in a bunch of the Armory subforums. The mod icon only shows up when the user is posting in a forum that they are a mod of. Makes sense, given that mod authority is forum-specific. I would have expected Aimless. But now that I'm thinking about it, I guess that would be like a gynecologist staring at hoohoos all day then coming home to stare at some more. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:35:20 PM EDT
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:36:44 PM EDT
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I would have expected Aimless. But now that I'm thinking about it, I guess that would be like a gynecologist staring at hoohoos all day then coming home to stare at some more. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How are all the non-mods looking up people's ban histories? BushBoar is a mod of the Legal subforum (who knew) and AeroE is a mod in a bunch of the Armory subforums. The mod icon only shows up when the user is posting in a forum that they are a mod of. Makes sense, given that mod authority is forum-specific. I would have expected Aimless. But now that I'm thinking about it, I guess that would be like a gynecologist staring at hoohoos all day then coming home to stare at some more. Aimless is also a mod in that subforum. They are the only two. You can check by clicking that yellow triangle next to the count of Topics while on the General page, or if you're on the forum page itself, clicking the triangle next to the name of the forum. Look at the top of the GD page, where it says "General >> General Discussion". |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:40:49 PM EDT
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lol We allow FAR MORE bashing of Islam, and derogatory comments about muslims than we do about any other religion, by a huge margin. So yes, there is absolutely an uneven handling of the CoC when it comes to Islam and other religions. As someone who got a timeout for saying unkind things about ROPers, I can't argue with the above. ARFCOM in general lets a LOT more things slide with negative comments about Muslims vs Christians or Jews. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:46:36 PM EDT
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:48:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: well it was until Subnet did the data dump a few weeks ago..   Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: How are all the non-mods looking up people's ban histories? The member who posted that is a moderator. The mod tag only shows in the area they are responsible for but ALL mods can view warnings (they are considered confidential and that information is not allowed to be posted.) We have close to 150 moderators on this site. well it was until Subnet did the data dump a few weeks ago..  What did I miss? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:49:00 PM EDT
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. How do you explain Fiver? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:49:08 PM EDT
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As someone who got a timeout for saying unkind things about ROPers, I can't argue with the above. ARFCOM in general lets a LOT more things slide with negative comments about Muslims vs Christians or Jews. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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lol We allow FAR MORE bashing of Islam, and derogatory comments about muslims than we do about any other religion, by a huge margin. So yes, there is absolutely an uneven handling of the CoC when it comes to Islam and other religions. As someone who got a timeout for saying unkind things about ROPers, I can't argue with the above. ARFCOM in general lets a LOT more things slide with negative comments about Muslims vs Christians or Jews. Just don't say anything about Mr.Magoo-R2D2-Do As I Do Voodoo worshipers. Those folks take no prisoners! 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:50:11 PM EDT
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Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. The only one I remember was MrClean4Hire, but I don't pay close attention to the membership status icon. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:55:28 PM EDT
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I had no idea that goat coitus jokes were verboten. This thread may have saved me a warning.
Does this also make "man love Thursday" a frowned upon topic? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:09:37 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:10:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you explain Fiver? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. How do you explain Fiver? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:13:03 PM EDT
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. What? Son of a bitch, I can't believe I spent the money.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:19:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:39:23 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:52:20 PM EDT
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I would have expected Aimless. But now that I'm thinking about it, I guess that would be like a gynecologist staring at hoohoos all day then coming home to stare at some more. Think more of a proctologist. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:53:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: some of the things he has posted are just completely fucked up. I am 100% certain that those of you who are staunchly defending him as a "good guy" would agree that he should be banned if you saw some of the reprehensible shit he has pulled. I've seen a lot of it. He swears up and down there was no alcohol involved. I always figured he was on some kind of meds, and every once in awhile skipped a dose and then came here and started posting. Shame the way things turned out. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:00:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How do you explain Fiver? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. How do you explain Fiver? I very rarely actually break the CoC. And I have been punished pretty much every time I did. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:11:03 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 2:13:35 PM EDT
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Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. Nope. 5subslr5 got banned, and so did another lifer. I can't recall his name but he was from GA. Edit-galogger. Requested a lock. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:03:42 PM EDT
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Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. I thought you had to have at least one temp ban on your record to be a lifer.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:07:08 PM EDT
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Nope. 5subslr5 got banned, and so did another lifer. I can't recall his name but he was from GA. Edit-galogger. Requested a lock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. Nope. 5subslr5 got banned, and so did another lifer. I can't recall his name but he was from GA. Edit-galogger. Requested a lock. Does not compute. You feeling ok? 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:20:44 PM EDT
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Nope. 5subslr5 got banned, and so did another lifer. I can't recall his name but he was from GA. Edit-galogger. Requested a lock. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. Nope. 5subslr5 got banned, and so did another lifer. I can't recall his name but he was from GA. Edit-galogger. Requested a lock. Oh yeah, I forgot 5sub was a lifer! Galogger's lockicide can't count, can it? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 4:58:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I disagree that it was "nothing." You might agree with his statements, and that's fine. But the question (from our perspective) is whether or not he violated the rules, like he had so many, many times before. He said that he hates Muslims, and wishes death upon them. And called them goat rapers. I don't think that's "nothing" on a site that has a specific prohibition about "posting derogatory comments of a religious nature." Come on. That prohibition is the VERY FIRST rule in the entire Code of Conduct, and he had such a long list of account violations (for all kinds of different stuff), that he clearly was VERY familiar with the Code of Conduct.Furthermore, this was his third violation after being reluctantly allowed back, and after him PROMISING (yet again) to agree to follow the Code of Conduct. I promise you, I am not over-dramatizing or lying. There were several things in his past record that would undoubtedly have been instant bans for someone that wasn't as well liked as him. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Holy shit, I just looked at his record. He should have been banned long, long ago. I have no fucking idea why he's been allowed to remain on the sit as long as he was.  Jesus fucking Christ, some of the things he has posted are just completely fucked up. I am 100% certain that those of you who are staunchly defending him as a "good guy" would agree that he should be banned if you saw some of the reprehensible shit he has pulled. Well to be honest, the "final straw" that I quoted was nothing, I disagree that it was "nothing." You might agree with his statements, and that's fine. But the question (from our perspective) is whether or not he violated the rules, like he had so many, many times before. He said that he hates Muslims, and wishes death upon them. And called them goat rapers. I don't think that's "nothing" on a site that has a specific prohibition about "posting derogatory comments of a religious nature." Come on. That prohibition is the VERY FIRST rule in the entire Code of Conduct, and he had such a long list of account violations (for all kinds of different stuff), that he clearly was VERY familiar with the Code of Conduct.Furthermore, this was his third violation after being reluctantly allowed back, and after him PROMISING (yet again) to agree to follow the Code of Conduct. ... so some will find it hard to believe that they really were "reprehensible". I promise you, I am not over-dramatizing or lying. There were several things in his past record that would undoubtedly have been instant bans for someone that wasn't as well liked as him. Part in red? Yep. I distinctly recall getting into it with him in a thread some years ago about women in the military. His comments (and some other people's) were WAY out of line.  |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:06:54 PM EDT
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lol We allow FAR MORE bashing of Islam, and derogatory comments about muslims than we do about any other religion, by a huge margin. So yes, there is absolutely an uneven handling of the CoC when it comes to Islam and other religions. Doesn't sound very fair.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:35:13 PM EDT
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Yeah he was granted an amnesty after myself and another staff member lobbied to let him back in. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Banned again? He was just let back not too long ago. Yeah he was granted an amnesty after myself and another staff member lobbied to let him back in. I always liked him. Rules are important and I won't complain. Just seems like a shame. Have I ever received an official warning in the last 7+ years? |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:43:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You know he's a nice guy and really seems to love the site and seems like he is genuinely apologetic when he gets in trouble Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Wanna guess who had 20, yes twenty, warnings or locks? I cannot believe how many times we broke down and let him back on the site. I think he beats out pubboy and 5subslr5 for most locks and warnings. 20? Damn! Just unlock him, hell people have done worse and less has happened |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:44:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yeah he was granted an amnesty after myself and another staff member lobbied to let him back in. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Banned again? He was just let back not too long ago. Yeah he was granted an amnesty after myself and another staff member lobbied to let him back in. Start working on it again |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:45:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: he's a guy i'd love to sit and drink with, but damn if he didn't push the rules around here. I think he can out drink you |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:50:03 PM EDT
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Wanna guess who had 20, yes twenty, warnings or locks? I cannot believe how many times we broke down and let him back on the site. I think he beats out pubboy and 5subslr5 for most locks and warnings.So you're saying I have plenty of slack left? This is sexual harassment! I am reporting this
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:53:13 PM EDT
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Part in red? Yep. I distinctly recall getting into it with him in a thread some years ago about women in the military. His comments (and some other people's) were WAY out of line.
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Holy shit, I just looked at his record.
He should have been banned long, long ago. I have no fucking idea why he's been allowed to remain on the sit as long as he was.
Jesus fucking Christ, some of the things he has posted are just completely fucked up. I am 100% certain that those of you who are staunchly defending him as a "good guy" would agree that he should be banned if you saw some of the reprehensible shit he has pulled. Well to be honest, the "final straw" that I quoted was nothing, I disagree that it was "nothing." You might agree with his statements, and that's fine. But the question (from our perspective) is whether or not he violated the rules, like he had so many, many times before. He said that he hates Muslims, and wishes death upon them. And called them goat rapers. I don't think that's "nothing" on a site that has a specific prohibition about "posting derogatory comments of a religious nature." Come on. That prohibition is the VERY FIRST rule in the entire Code of Conduct, and he had such a long list of account violations (for all kinds of different stuff), that he clearly was VERY familiar with the Code of Conduct.
Furthermore, this was his third violation after being reluctantly allowed back, and after him PROMISING (yet again) to agree to follow the Code of Conduct. ... so some will find it hard to believe that they really were "reprehensible". I promise you, I am not over-dramatizing or lying. There were several things in his past record that would undoubtedly have been instant bans for someone that wasn't as well liked as him. Part in red? Yep. I distinctly recall getting into it with him in a thread some years ago about women in the military. His comments (and some other people's) were WAY out of line.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 5:56:55 PM EDT
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I do not see how or why people keep getting themselves locked and or banned. I am not exactly mild spoken and as far as I can remember I have never gotten a lock, I was warned once maybe twice, once was for calling some one a Nancy............. the other I dont remember but I think it was from TBK. I even said mean things to Aimless once and survived.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:00:15 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:01:15 PM EDT
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rangermonroe is awesome, definetly let him back
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:01:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not see how or why people keep getting themselves locked and or banned. I am not exactly mild spoken and as far as I can remember I have never gotten a lock, I was warned once maybe twice, once was for calling some one a Nancy............. the other I dont remember but I think it was from TBK. I even said mean things to Aimless once and survived.  |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:05:01 PM EDT
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I do not see how or why people keep getting themselves locked and or banned. I am not exactly mild spoken and as far as I can remember I have never gotten a lock, I was warned once maybe twice, once was for calling some one a Nancy............. the other I dont remember but I think it was from TBK. I even said mean things to Aimless once and survived.
After that I once arranged a gun fight in a swamp in Louisiana between him and some insane coonass and his possible associates. Yet here I remain. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:06:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I do not see how or why people keep getting themselves locked and or banned. I am not exactly mild spoken and as far as I can remember I have never gotten a lock, I was warned once maybe twice, once was for calling some one a Nancy............. the other I dont remember but I think it was from TBK. I even said mean things to Aimless once and survived. I added a warning to your profile for promoting illegal activities. -Site Staff |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:07:59 PM EDT
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i got a warning one time in a thread where someone was asking why the compressed air duster/canned air was locked up at walmart, and i posted a snip-it from drug abuse site about how kids abuse them and the thread got nuked and i had a warning from staff saying I added a warning to your profile for promoting illegal activities. -Site Staff
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I do not see how or why people keep getting themselves locked and or banned. I am not exactly mild spoken and as far as I can remember I have never gotten a lock, I was warned once maybe twice, once was for calling some one a Nancy............. the other I dont remember but I think it was from TBK. I even said mean things to Aimless once and survived. I added a warning to your profile for promoting illegal activities. -Site Staff
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:12:58 PM EDT
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Dave A was let back. What's the statute or limitations? Can we sponsor Monroe into a similar program? He has had twice the chances Dave_A was given. I assure you he will not be returning. I just thought of something new for the ARFCOM store. A BAC interlock keyboard. If you purchase one, you will be allowed back, provided you use the keyboard (blow in tube every 30 minutes). If another infraction is incurred, that person is out the cost of the BAC Keyboard and their account. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:42:25 PM EDT
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Lockout tools don't work. The sensors can be confused. Not posting how - but I'm sure people who really want to drive & drive drunk, will find a way. /sigh/
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:03:15 PM EDT
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I always thought temp banning were a warning to buy a lifetime membership. If you think lifers are exempt from bans and warnings you are mistaken. Seriously? I thought that was one of the conditions, no bans possible. Huh. Nope. 5subslr5 got banned, and so did another lifer. I can't recall his name but he was from GA. Edit-galogger. Requested a lock. Oh yeah, I forgot 5sub was a lifer! Galogger's lockicide can't count, can it? Someone paid $700+ for a life membership then requested it be locked? How odd. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:08:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Other sites would have shut down this thread a long time ago. Posting here, getting your position known and staying within the CoC here is fairly easy. Getting banned actually takes work. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It makes me question a site who ostensibly supports the second amendment so vehemently; yet they ignore the first in favor of censor at any given time. "Their site, their rules etc." is just another name for progressive censorship. Kudos to RM for stating shit the way he felt. His valuable contribution to this site is obviously less important than political correctness. Sad. Other sites would have shut down this thread a long time ago. Posting here, getting your position known and staying within the CoC here is fairly easy. Getting banned actually takes work. I'm a moderator at a science fiction publisher's web forums, WE certainly don't give that many chances to someone who fails to obey the rules. Only one time were the moderators overruled about banning someone. That person later made an ass of themselves to the publisher herself and not only got perma-banned but his special free access to all of their e-books was yanked as well (I forget how he'd gotten it). |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 9:23:50 PM EDT
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I was once a member of a forum that had a very well defined point system for infractions (the thing read like a legal document, it was stupidly detailed and completely obnoxious.)
You earned a certain number of points for breaking certain rules, if you earned enough points, you got timeouts, and really bad shit got you a ban. Thing was, that lots of earned infraction points had expiration dates, sort of like on your driving license.  |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 10:53:50 PM EDT
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I've gotten a warning for making fun of Christianity before; so it's not like they're giving Islam special treatment.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:41:32 PM EDT
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If everyone would just love the coc we wouldn't have any issues here
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Posted: 4/23/2014 11:46:10 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/24/2014 7:22:58 AM EDT
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I just thought of something new for the ARFCOM store. A BAC interlock keyboard. If you purchase one, you will be allowed back, provided you use the keyboard (blow in tube every 30 minutes). If another infraction is incurred, that person is out the cost of the BAC Keyboard and their account. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Dave A was let back. What's the statute or limitations? Can we sponsor Monroe into a similar program? He has had twice the chances Dave_A was given. I assure you he will not be returning. I just thought of something new for the ARFCOM store. A BAC interlock keyboard. If you purchase one, you will be allowed back, provided you use the keyboard (blow in tube every 30 minutes). If another infraction is incurred, that person is out the cost of the BAC Keyboard and their account. I would like to subscribe to your newsletter, sir.
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