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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:05:32 PM EDT
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the take off and landing must have been insane
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:12:13 PM EDT
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the take off and landing must have been insane Needs more GoPro and RedBull. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:15:43 PM EDT
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Joey, have you ever been in a... in a Turkish prison?
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:35:17 PM EDT
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"Simon said (
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Unless there were other well planned shenanigans afoot it looks like Darwin missed one. 
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Posted: 4/21/2014 10:03:44 PM EDT
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Some people are just plain ol'...............
STUPID. Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 10:05:43 PM EDT
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I don't see how it's possible unless he was able to get into a pressurized area warm enough to keep from dying of hypothermia.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 10:11:36 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/22/2014 12:38:06 AM EDT
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Dain bramaged? Say about 4 hours at roughly 35,000ft if he is unharmed it is a medical miracle. The freezing temps saved his life, I wonder if he will lose any fingers or toes? Article states he was medically unharmed. They're full of shit. This. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 1:46:14 AM EDT
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whats the point of tsa? You pay your safety tax, and you get a FreedomGrope or RapeScan. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 4:33:58 PM EDT
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I don't see how it's possible unless he was able to get into a pressurized area warm enough to keep from dying of hypothermia. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 4:44:20 PM EDT
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Oh, it is possible, as a link showed. What HAS happened in the past to several others is that They Did Too Die from a combination of hypoxia and hypothermia. This teen got Very lucky. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I don't see how it's possible unless he was able to get into a pressurized area warm enough to keep from dying of hypothermia. Of course the "big picture" FAA stats which are something like 30 survived out of 150 attempts, are from the 40s to present. Old aircraft didn't fly as high so it wouldn't have been as unsurvivable in say a DC-3 as a DC-9. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 4:49:33 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You pay your safety tax, and you get a FreedomGrope or RapeScan. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: whats the point of tsa? You pay your safety tax, and you get a FreedomGrope or RapeScan. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 4:53:54 PM EDT
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the boy was medically screened and found to be unharmed. Aside from the fact that he now has 40 percent fewer functional brain cells Now qualified to be a politician |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:19:21 PM EDT
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Is the wheel well really not pressurized? It seems much easier to make a seal with the door than design irregularly shaped pressure bulkheads. Pipes are round for a reason...
And TSA doesn't exist to protect planes at all...
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:22:08 PM EDT
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ITT: Medical doctors
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:33:40 PM EDT
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whats the point of tsa? You pay your safety tax, and you get a FreedomGrope or RapeScan. Someone please post pedobear for that video. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:43:31 PM EDT
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Is the wheel well really not pressurized? It seems much easier to make a seal with the door than design irregularly shaped pressure bulkheads. Pipes are round for a reason... And TSA doesn't exist to protect planes at all... It's not pressurized. Otherwise, you'd be looking at something like an 8 psi differential on the gear doors at cruise, exerting a hundred thousand pounds of force on the door and actuators. Not to mention leakage rates, and the ensuing engine bleed air drag for the makeup air. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:45:30 PM EDT
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Is the wheel well really not pressurized? It seems much easier to make a seal with the door than design irregularly shaped pressure bulkheads. Pipes are round for a reason... And TSA doesn't exist to protect planes at all... 
Look at the video of the 767 gear extending and retracting posted in this very thread. Trying to pressurize the extremely mechanically complex landing gear compartment would be absolutely ridiculous. Most wheel wells have very square sides inside the aerodynamic skin. One side is often the wingbox/center fuel tank, it's not difficult to build another couple of strong bulkheads. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 5:53:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It's not pressurized. Otherwise, you'd be looking at something like an 8 psi differential on the gear doors at cruise, exerting a hundred thousand pounds of force on the door and actuators. Not to mention leakage rates, and the ensuing engine bleed air drag for the makeup air. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Is the wheel well really not pressurized? It seems much easier to make a seal with the door than design irregularly shaped pressure bulkheads. Pipes are round for a reason... And TSA doesn't exist to protect planes at all... It's not pressurized. Otherwise, you'd be looking at something like an 8 psi differential on the gear doors at cruise, exerting a hundred thousand pounds of force on the door and actuators. Not to mention leakage rates, and the ensuing engine bleed air drag for the makeup air. But instead they put that 8psi and more area against irregular shaped bulkheads? It would seem much lighter to seal on the door and maintain an easy, round pressure vessel. Can that design even meet ASME code?
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Posted: 4/22/2014 6:03:00 PM EDT
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Dain bramaged? Say about 4 hours at roughly 35,000ft if he is unharmed it is a medical miracle. The freezing temps saved his life, I wonder if he will lose any fingers or toes? Article states he was medically unharmed. They're full of shit. This. Teenagers are made out of rubber. They bounce back from stuff that would kill my old self. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 7:52:47 PM EDT
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I believe you with all the airplane regulations making change difficult. But instead they put that 8psi and more area against irregular shaped bulkheads? It would seem much lighter to seal on the door and maintain an easy, round pressure vessel. Can that design even meet ASME code? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is the wheel well really not pressurized? It seems much easier to make a seal with the door than design irregularly shaped pressure bulkheads. Pipes are round for a reason... And TSA doesn't exist to protect planes at all... It's not pressurized. Otherwise, you'd be looking at something like an 8 psi differential on the gear doors at cruise, exerting a hundred thousand pounds of force on the door and actuators. Not to mention leakage rates, and the ensuing engine bleed air drag for the makeup air. But instead they put that 8psi and more area against irregular shaped bulkheads? It would seem much lighter to seal on the door and maintain an easy, round pressure vessel. Can that design even meet ASME code? It doesn't have anything to do with regulations. It's about physics. You are talking about a hundred thousand pounds of force applied to very thinly constructed landing gear doors, and the potential of a catastrophic explosive decompression if the hydraulic actuators fail. I've seen cases where a small ram air leak in a fuselage has nearly blown the nose gear doors open. The moments on those doors are significant, especially given their material construction. Remember, you are passing hundreds of tons of force through the normal function the deployed landing gear and the associated structure. There's a lot of structure in that irregularly shaped boxy area, and it's more than enough to meet the pressure differential criteria. That structure has to be their to support the weight of the aircraft, so it's not a big deal to use it as the pressure boundary, even if it is an irregular shape. |
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Posted: 4/22/2014 7:56:30 PM EDT
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183 men couldn't hold the Alamo, and 15 airport cops can't hold any major airport. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That doesn't make me feel good about airport security.  183 men couldn't hold the Alamo, and 15 airport cops can't hold any major airport. Dude, I am so stealing that line! |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 10:28:33 AM EDT
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He was trying to get back to Somalia!!
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Posted: 4/23/2014 10:46:27 AM EDT
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Just got back from a Hong Kong to LA flight.
The outside air temp was -70º. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 10:48:41 AM EDT
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The local news showed a few photos. The inside of the main landing gear door was absolutely covered with his footprints.
I guess there is no doubt that he rode in the wheel well. He is still in the hospital though, so not buying the claims of "unharmed". |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:16:43 PM EDT
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The local news showed a few photos. The inside of the main landing gear door was absolutely covered with his footprints.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766081.1398267169!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-1-web.jpg?enlarged http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766079.1398267167!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-3-web.jpg?enlarged I guess there is no doubt that he rode in the wheel well. He is still in the hospital though, so not buying the claims of "unharmed". Almost looks like he was walking around in there to stay warm. 
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Posted: 4/23/2014 12:23:13 PM EDT
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Almost looks like he was walking around in there to stay warm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The local news showed a few photos. The inside of the main landing gear door was absolutely covered with his footprints.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766081.1398267169!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-1-web.jpg?enlarged http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766079.1398267167!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-3-web.jpg?enlarged I guess there is no doubt that he rode in the wheel well. He is still in the hospital though, so not buying the claims of "unharmed". Almost looks like he was walking around in there to stay warm. Might have been, before he passed out. My guess is he was trying to find a place to stow himself such that he wouldn't tumble out when the door opened. Might have found a nice big hydraulic accumulator to snuggle up to as well.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:06:51 PM EDT
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Might have been, before he passed out. My guess is he was trying to find a place to stow himself such that he wouldn't tumble out when the door opened. Might have found a nice big hydraulic accumulator to snuggle up to as well. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The local news showed a few photos. The inside of the main landing gear door was absolutely covered with his footprints.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766081.1398267169!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-1-web.jpg?enlarged http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766079.1398267167!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-3-web.jpg?enlarged I guess there is no doubt that he rode in the wheel well. He is still in the hospital though, so not buying the claims of "unharmed". Almost looks like he was walking around in there to stay warm. Might have been, before he passed out. My guess is he was trying to find a place to stow himself such that he wouldn't tumble out when the door opened. Might have found a nice big hydraulic accumulator to snuggle up to as well. Looks like he was barefoot too.
I don't know how its possible for a over three hour flight. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:09:31 PM EDT
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Looks like he was barefoot too.
I don't know how its possible for a over three hour flight. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The local news showed a few photos. The inside of the main landing gear door was absolutely covered with his footprints.
http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766081.1398267169!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-1-web.jpg?enlarged http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.1766079.1398267167!/img/httpImage/image.jpg_gen/derivatives/article_1200/stow24n-3-web.jpg?enlarged I guess there is no doubt that he rode in the wheel well. He is still in the hospital though, so not buying the claims of "unharmed". Almost looks like he was walking around in there to stay warm. Might have been, before he passed out. My guess is he was trying to find a place to stow himself such that he wouldn't tumble out when the door opened. Might have found a nice big hydraulic accumulator to snuggle up to as well. Looks like he was barefoot too.
I don't know how its possible for a over three hour flight. Nah, not barefoot. Those are handprints mixed with the footprints. The footprints are definitely from some kind of shoe or boot. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 1:13:02 PM EDT
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I wish the kid at least took a GoPro with him.
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:14:06 PM EDT
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/us/plane-stowaway/
"Teriyaki meatballs, rice, cookies and a bottle of water. That's what authorities gave a hungry teen stowaway who survived a five-hour flight hidden in the wheel well of a jetliner, soon after his unexpected arrival. The 15-year-old boy sneaked into the wheel well of a Boeing 767 and flew from San Jose, California, to Maui, Hawaii. "He was really soft-spoken and appeared to be tired. His answers were a little slow initially coming out," Maui District Airport Manager Marvin Moniz told CNN affiliate KGO." ..."It's quite possible he suffered permanent brain damage such as neurological issues, memory problems or a lower IQ, said Dr. Kenneth Stahl, a trauma surgeon at Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital. The teen also could have frostbite or a kidney injury because when the body freezes, particles of muscle enter the bloodstream and damage the kidneys, the doctor said."
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Posted: 4/23/2014 6:25:43 PM EDT
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that is the worlds luckiest dude
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:27:57 PM EDT
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It gets better: The stowaway is a Muslim
His father and stepmother live in Santa Clara, where neighbors say family members kept to themselves after moving in a few months ago. "When I watched the analysis about the extraordinary and dangerous trip of my son on local TVs and that Allah had saved him, I thanked God and I was very happy," the teen's father told Voice of America's Somali service on Wednesday. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 7:32:54 PM EDT
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That doesn't make me feel good about airport security. Like you ever have felt good about it? It's a dog and pony show. |
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Posted: 4/23/2014 8:27:31 PM EDT
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It gets better: The stowaway is a Muslim His father and stepmother live in Santa Clara, where neighbors say family members kept to themselves after moving in a few months ago. "When I watched the analysis about the extraordinary and dangerous trip of my son on local TVs and that Allah had saved him, I thanked God and I was very happy," the teen's father told Voice of America's Somali service on Wednesday. http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/us/plane-stowaway/ And he didn't take he plane down? Or was this a dry run? Is this what happened to MH370? |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 3:48:13 AM EDT
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http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/23/us/plane-stowaway/ "Teriyaki meatballs, rice, cookies and a bottle of water. That's what authorities gave a hungry teen stowaway who survived a five-hour flight hidden in the wheel well of a jetliner, soon after his unexpected arrival. The 15-year-old boy sneaked into the wheel well of a Boeing 767 and flew from San Jose, California, to Maui, Hawaii. "He was really soft-spoken and appeared to be tired. His answers were a little slow initially coming out," Maui District Airport Manager Marvin Moniz told CNN affiliate KGO." ..."It's quite possible he suffered permanent brain damage such as neurological issues, memory problems or a lower IQ, said Dr. Kenneth Stahl, a trauma surgeon at Miami's Jackson Memorial Hospital. The teen also could have frostbite or a kidney injury because when the body freezes, particles of muscle enter the bloodstream and damage the kidneys, the doctor said." This is right on the edge of what a human being can survive. I'm surprised he didn't fall out when the gear lowered, as I doubt he had his faculties about him at the time. Unless he looped an arm through a run of wiring before losing consciousness in the ascent, I don't see how he could have remained in the wheel well then the gear lowered. I'm also thinking that his skin tone is making it difficult to properly diagnose the extent of his thermal injuries. Capillaries would be all sorts of messed up from the rapid altitude exposure, alone, never mind the cold exposure. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:18:02 AM EDT
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from the CNN article:
... He was not good at math and science, ... Yeah, no kidding. Q1. Will I fit? A1. I don't know, the landing gear looks like it does a lot of crazy maneuvers upon storage. Seems like a good way to get crushed. I'll figure it out when the gear comes up. Q2. Will I freeze to death? A2. The engineering analysis says the wheels are going to be 200F at first; there are some hyd components that might maintain 180F; the huge 50 sqft panel of aluminum is going to be -30F at cruise; the air temperature is going to be at or below 0F at cruise. So, it looks like I could not only freeze to death, but incur severe burns in the process of doing so, especially if I'm in a position where I can't maneuver. Glorious! Q3. What happens when I pass out from nitrogen transport on the climb? A3. Better make sure I can maneuver around to something that is warm, but not burning hot, and can strap myself in place so I don't dislodge when the gear deploys. Or, just pass out and hope for the best. Q4. How much light is in the gear bay? Will the door gap provide enough light to see? A4. Better bring a flashlight, just in case. Or not. Q5. Door gap? Does that mean I could have deafening -10F windchill? A5. My hoodie should suffice. Besides, when I convert to metric, it will be warmer. Q6. What about the effects of prolonged oxygen deprivation at altitude? A6. Meh. Q7. What about hypothermia and frostbite? A7. See A5. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 4:33:29 AM EDT
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The FAA should require wheel wells be heated and pressurized.......it's for the children. |
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Posted: 4/24/2014 9:17:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Might have been, before he passed out. My guess is he was trying to find a place to stow himself such that he wouldn't tumble out when the door opened. Might have found a nice big hydraulic accumulator to snuggle up to as well. There's a nice cozy spot in the rear corner of the center bulkhead. http://www.cnn.com/video/data/2.0/video/world/2014/04/21/ac-tuchman-how-to-get-in-wheel-well-on-plane.cnn.html |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 4:40:09 PM EDT
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Video released on CNN of boy climbing out of wheel well.
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