Someone needs to flip the burgers. That being said, if they really wanted to make sure their employers didn't take advantage of them, they'd go to law school and get a law degree. Instead, I bet they spend the money paying for their 17 illegitimate children and baggies of dope.

They only thing holding them back is themselves.

I used to think it'd be fun to have troll account and pretend to be a real douchenozzle fundamentalist libertarian, but I dawdled around and now it's too late.

For those that do not know LibertarianYankee's standard response to most posts is "Their business, their rules".
Do not let him suck you in to whatever it is he is trying to accomplish, mostly his post count.

So much for the ignore button.  It doesn't work when someone posts something so retarded everyone quotes the moron.

It's so tempting to feed the trolls. Damned quotes.



 

He's a bigger troll the _A. GD should know that by now.

Employers cheat their employees all the time. And employees cheat their employers too. Big deal. Life goes on.

Be glad you don't have to work at McDonalds.

Sounds like a lot of places I worked. This isn't exclusive to McDonalds.

I was working for McDonalds when I joined the Reserves. I came back from BCT to a pay cut. The store manager actually told me she did it because I joined the Army (I guess I needed to be punished). I walked. My girlfriend worked there too, and the manager kept asking her why I quit.

So because someone is on the clock at the job, but not actively serving a customer because no one is currently in the store, then they should not be paid?  Uhhg, Libertarians... retards.

Yeah, because to suggest that people quit their job if they don't like it is "trolling".

Minimum wage employee is free to hire a lawyer to come after them, but one hour of the lawyer's time will likely cost that worker their entire paycheck for one week.

Worth it to sue? Maybe. If you actually win. Going to take years in the court system, meanwhile they fired your ass along time ago, and no other fast food place will hire you because of your snitch reputation.

Just find another job. No one likes a snitch...

Or *gasp*, maybe the McD's workers can unionize

I'm sure there will be a lawsuit over this if true.

Work is no different that being under arrest. Either you are free to go home (off the clock) or you are not (and you should be paid.) An employer can't demand that you wait unpaid for a customer to show up.

Exactly its not McDonald's is a franchise or manager that doesn't know how to manage their labor costs.

 

If minimum wage laws didn't exist, sure. I think they'd be a great way to pay employees. Per burger or per customer.

Why should they get paid if there isn't revenue being generated? They'd do well to increase sales by providing a quality experience. You scare your customers away? You don't get paid.

But ultimately, it's up to the employer to decide the terms of employment and employees to agree or not agree. Oh, and watch out for the fine print.

if you clock in before your scheduled shift, and i didnt ask you to come in early, i aint paying you shit.  same goes for if you stay late for no reason.

Im pretty sure its against the rules to not pay someone for hours worked. Seriously some of you who parrot this "their company their rules" shit are idiots.

Sad to meet you; glad to see you go.

Their rules conflict with the law. The workers will get paid (and their lawyers will get rich) if they can prove that they were permitted to work off the clock, had times sheets rejiggered to quash OT, et c.

Yeah - against the franchise owner, not corporate. I doubt it's a corporate sanctioned policy....

Corporate will probably terminate their franchise agreement, which they have every right to do if they find out this is true....

This news would be bad for business.

You lost your coloring books again, didn't you?

This might be the crux of the matter.

Punching  in early and punching out late after the end of shift without being authorized doesn't entitle one to be paid for that time.

Which is why I'd like to hear what is said in deposition rather than in a video rife with heresay.

Time on the clock != hours worked.

Who sanctioned their OT? Was it done in writing, for each OT occurrence?

Is it possible employees were scamming the time clock and just got their hours docked as a result?

Wouldn't be the first time. Fast food employees can be shifty people.

I worked for a publicly traded firm. Management decided to do a leveraged buy out and take the company private. The only problem was they talked the bank into using the 401K funds I and several others had contributed over the years. When I went to leave the company my 401K funds were gone. Department of Labor stepped in and sued the bank and the management. Seven years later I got a check for my original contribution plus $200K in fines and penalties. The company went chapter 7 but it didn't matter as they seized the assets of the company and the management.

It was a textbook example of how not to do an LBO.

If management can get away with murder, they will whether it's a mom and pop or a Fortune 500 like McDonalds.

I eagerly await the day your bridge collapses on top of you.

Depends what type of employee you are. Wage vs. salary vs. contract.

In this case, the employees are 99.99% likely to be wage.

I've never seen people so quick to side against McDonalds here. "Show me on the doll where Ronald McDonald touched you" type shit.

Is it possible, maybe, that the employees were caught scheming the clock and got caught? And their hours corrected as a result?

Either way, the employeers are welcome to quit and see if the grass really is greener on the other side at BK or Wendy's. Or hire a lawyer to fight McD's....

If you read his posts in Steven Colbert's voice, they're actually pretty funny.



 

Suggesting someone spend 10s if not 100s of thousands of dollars on a law degree to make sure a burger joint employer doesn't fuck them out of a few dollars each week is.

Isn't that what walmart does to their employees ? Last I remember they were always 38-39 hours a week so no full time.

You're getting trolled.

Your schtick has jumped the shark.  You really just sound like a moron the more you post.

Look - McDonald's and other fast food joint jobs were never intended for you to make a career out of and work there from age 18 to retirement.

The fact that we have people spending years of their lives working there and nothing making something out of themselves shows a lot about the diminishing work ethic of Americas in today's times.

If I worked at McD's I would be banking every dollar I could and trying to get an education to better myself. Perhaps it was a bad analogy but the truth remains - McDonalds is NOT a place where you can have a career!

I'm Lovin It.

*snort* ya you are right!! Haha!

The claims are true.  Years ago, I worked at McDonald's in high school for the summer to earn spending money.  It was my first job and I was just excited to be working.

When I got hired, it was for $7/hour, for 7 hours per day, for 5 days a week.  That comes out to $245 every 2 weeks.

I was paid twice a month, and after SS and income tax, I was routinely taking home less than $125 per pay check.  At the time, I was just dumb and didn't even think to check it.  I did think it was maybe a bit low, but didn't really care as it was more money than I'd ever seen in my life!

Basically, I was only taking home about 50% of my earnings.  I never received a pay stub, a list of hours, or even a printed time sheet... just a check at the end of the two weeks.  After a couple months of working there, I did begin to get suspicious, and inquired with the managers (they had several and it was always a different one each night).  Most told me there was no way to give me a print out of my hours, and some said they could not do it.  Only 1 gave me a printout, but it was so garbled and convoluted, it was impossible to make sense of it.  Even she had no idea what it all meant.

I worked the overnight shift (just when McDonald's began to go 24/7 around 2002), and at midnight, they always shut down the computers to tally the day's take.  When they did so, I was forced to clock out (and take my unpaid lunch break).  However, they would routinely tell me not to clock back in for an hour or so after the system would come back up.  If a person on the morning shift didn't show up, or was late, I was asked to stay on into the morning, but was told to clock out at 7:00 AM as always (hours were 11:00 PM - 7:00 AM with 1 hour unpaid for lunch).  Several times I conveniently "forgot" to clock out despite being asked to stay late, and when one of the managers for the morning crew saw that I was still clocked in, she about panicked, clocked me out, told me to go home immediately.  By that point, I had already been there an extra hour and a half.  I saw her going into her computer immediately after and I'm pretty sure she was readjusting my hours to make it 7:00 AM.

Once, when one of the manager's shut down the system at midnight, he took $20 out of my register and then instructed me to charge people extra to make up for it (he stated it was because another cashier had come up short, but I think he just pocketed it).  When the system shuts down, so do all the computers that make everything push button and keep track of everything.  I did everything by pen and paper and with a calculator and we would enter it in after they came back up.  No receipts, no nothing (most people never wanted one).  So he wanted me to add an extra $0.50 or more to every order while they were down to make up the money gone.  I never did it and just pretended like I forgot.  I don't think anything came of it, and I think that's because he took it out of the Ronald McDonald house fund (those plastic donation bins that used to hang on the outside of each drive through window that you could drop change into.  There would often be $50 or more in change and bills at the end of a day.

I think in the just over 3 months I worked there, I took home about $800.  I have no way to prove any of this as I'm sure their records from 12 years ago have long since been destroyed (and they would never release them anyway) and I know I don't have anything proving it.  I have my memories though and I think overall, I learned from it and grew for it.

Sort of, but I think it depends on the store in question. Not sure. Never run either type of establishment....

McDonald's actually encourages their employees to collect welfare to supplement their menial income from their fast food job.

http://consumerist.com/2013/10/23/mcdonalds-mcresources-help-line-tells-worker-how-to-get-welfare-benefits/

The people who are supposedly being "cheated" on their paychecks are liking collecting welfare and cheating you and me (the taxpayers). Zero fucks given.

Later on in this thread you said that children shouldn't be allowed to clean ovens because it's against the law.

Here you are arguing that McDonalds should be able to not pay workers overtime pay that they worked....which is also against the law.

Again, was their overtime approved? You don't just go working over time and expect to be paid for it. Many companies have policies requiring authorization of overtime. I would strongly encourage them to read the employee handbook.

Oh, and children can not give proper consent to employment agreements, but nice try. These threads always have some "won't you think of the children?!" action in them...

Are you seriously advocating that fast food employees should be forced to clock out if a customer hasn't entered the establishment in say... 2 minutes... then when one does, clock back in, and only be paid for the accumulated amount of time worked?

Either my sarcasm meter is off, or you and LibertarianYankee are so deep in each other's asses that you are beginning to think alike.

Are you dumb?  That has nothing to do with employment.  Employment is an agreement to exchange labor for money.  No one is feeding anyone else, it's a mutual exchange.  You act like employers watch over us like parents watch over their young and coddle us.  Without workers there is no work, without work their is no company, so companies pay workers to do the work.

Theft is ok.  As long as you only steal a few bucks here and there, no harm no foul.  Got it, at least I know where you stand with your morals.

Both parties should adhere to their contract.

Agreed.

I guarantee if the employees in question were union, GD would be all over this shit like the ketchup/mustard combo on Happy Meals.

"Fuck the unions!"
"Screw those greedy bastards"

I never thought I'd live to see the day GD stuck up for FSA McDonald's workers.... Division by zero at it's finest.

It has been 5 or 6 months since I can remember seeing the signs but they had huge ones in front of most of the stores with in 2 hrs ride of here.  Oil/Gas production area.

lick those boots clean guy

It's funny because I work in EMS.  I spend a lot of time on the clock watching TV, sleeping, etc.  I guess LY thinks I shouldn't get paid for my time waiting for people to call 911.  If he were to go on a ride along with us on one of our slow nights his head would explode over how our poor employer has to pay us to sit around and do nothing, and how unfair it is to our multimillionaire owners.

Employment is a take it or leave it proposition. You take the job or you don't. You stay or you don't.

The job belongs solely to the employer, not the employee. This two-way street employment analogy I hear (often form liberals) is bullshit.

You're arguing against yourself now.  You might want to go get checked out.  Your level of confusion could possibly be the sign of a stroke.

So employers are not required to follow labor laws?

Employers should be free to steal from employees and if the employee finds out their only solution should be to quit?

Employment isn't an agreement between to entities to exchange one thing for another?

My company has been fucking up my checks since the beginning of the year. No I dont work for McDonalds.

I see what you did there.

Advertising your EMS services so you can get a referral from your employer (and keep work busy at that!).

We'll make a capitalist out of you yet, Towely!