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Posted: 4/19/2014 11:38:45 AM EDT
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On March 24, 2014 at the Cross Examination Debate Association (CEDA) Championships at Indiana University, two Towson University students, Ameena Ruffin and Korey Johnson, became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, for which the resolution asked whether the U.S. president’s war powers should be restricted. Rather than address the resolution straight on, Ruffin and Johnson, along with other teams of African-Americans, attacked its premise. The more pressing issue, they argued, is how the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities. In the final round, Ruffin and Johnson squared off against Rashid Campbell and George Lee from the University of Oklahoma, two highly accomplished African-American debaters with distinctive dreadlocks and dashikis. Over four hours, the two teams engaged in a heated discussion of concepts like “nigga authenticity” and performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry in the traditional timed format. At one point during Lee’s rebuttal, the clock ran out but he refused to yield the floor. “Fuck the time!” he yelled. His partner Campbell, who won the top speaker award at the National Debate Tournament two weeks later, had been unfairly targeted by the police at the debate venue just days before, and cited this personal trauma as evidence for his case against the government’s treatment of poor African-Americans. More at the link: http://www.theatlantic.com/education/archive/2014/04/does-traditional-college-debate-reinforce-white-privilege/360746/?_ga=1.72002259.1709807388.1397888571#disqus_thread |
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They can have a debate about a certain topic, two black students can show up, disregard the topic, talk about soemthing entirely different, ignore scholarly research and cited facts, rap, use spoken poetry, call each other "nigga", use profanity, and be declared the winners?
Holy fuck. How would you like to be the white kid that had to follow the rules being shouted down by the black kids for whom there are no rules? Next year the black kids should just punch the white kids in the head, knock-out game style, and claim it represents a different, but equal, diverse and multicultural approach to debate. |
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They can have a debate about a certain topic, two black students can show up, disregard the topic, talk about soemthing entirely different, ignore scholarly research and cited facts, rap, use spoken poetry, call each other "nigga", use profanity, and be declared the winners? Holy fuck. How would you like to be the white kid that had to follow the rules being shouted down by the black kids for whom there are no rules? Next year the black kids should just punch the white kids in the head, knock-out game style, and claim it represents a different, but equal, diverse and multicultural approach to debate. View Quote Whoa! Careful! Speaking truths in such an open manner will land you in hot water. |
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there is no such thing as white privilege. So the entire premise is moot.
Do they actually print this stuff? |
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They should send those "winning" debate teams as State department diplomats to negotiate with the Rooskies. They can't do any worse than John "Stuck in Iraq" Kerry, and might provide more entertainment value.
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The battle to deconstruct Western civilization is tirelessly fought by those that hate it. From the Oval Office on down.
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I thought it was an onion article...
"Rather than address the resolution straight on..." More like completely disregarding the topic of the debate competition... |
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Our government is filled with people with degrees, a lot of them are now being required to get a masters. Look at how poorly it is run, absolute incompetence to say he least.
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Our government is filled with people with degrees, a lot of them are now being required to get a masters. Look at how poorly it is run, absolute incompetence to say he least. View Quote Imagine how worthless college would be if the govt made it totally free. You'd probably need a PHD just to get an office job doing clerical work. |
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but he refused to yield the floor View Quote Can't play within the rules. performed hip-hop and spoken-word poetry View Quote Acted like a child. “Fuck the time!” View Quote Disrespectful. Rather than address the resolution straight on, View Quote No. Just, no. became the first African-American women to win a national college debate tournament, View Quote Wins anyhow. |
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Profanity withheld in deference to the Christian holiday.
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Well if the U.S. government is at war with poor black communities maybe they should blame their fearless leader.
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I will concede that there may have been some ethnic privilege at work here.
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Are you kidding me white privilege is awesome, we even get free ice cream on Tuesdays and 10 cent gas Wednesdays. The only way to void your white privilege status is if your home has wheels View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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WTF is this imaginary "white privilege" bullshit? Are you kidding me white privilege is awesome, we even get free ice cream on Tuesdays and 10 cent gas Wednesdays. The only way to void your white privilege status is if your home has wheels You can mitigate your white privilege by being gay. I understand that reduces the criminality a bit. |
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This "Tournament participants from all backgrounds say they have found some of these debate strategies offensive. Even so, the new style has received mainstream acceptance, sympathy, and awards," just reinforces the idea that people should say fuck the rules and do whatever you want. And dog pile anyone who dares to call you out for it.
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I'd like to know where I can sign up for some of this white privilege; I work two jobs, have no deductions and get raped on taxes every year so fucksticks like those can show the world how retarded they are.
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So this is some kind of hoax right?
I never heard of The Atlantic before, but even if they are a legit publication, I imagine they probably got passed this story from some other outfit as a joke, and nobody realized it. If any of this is real, I have no idea what to think of it. That would truly be upsetting to see at a so-called "debate". |
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This "Tournament participants from all backgrounds say they have found some of these debate strategies offensive. Even so, the new style has received mainstream acceptance, sympathy, and awards," just reinforces the idea that people should say fuck the rules and do whatever you want. And dog pile anyone who dares to call you out for it. View Quote If you're white you have to play by the rules. And you have to lose. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Vinge and Kurzweil may have their Technological Singularity to discuss, but I think far more likely and immediate is the coming Idiocratic Singularity. It's happening and American culture is far beyond the point where absurdity is recognized and treated for what it is. Academia itself is establishing that mass anger, profanity and shouting is superior to reason and logic. I want off this planet.
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If you're white you have to play by the rules. And you have to lose. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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This "Tournament participants from all backgrounds say they have found some of these debate strategies offensive. Even so, the new style has received mainstream acceptance, sympathy, and awards," just reinforces the idea that people should say fuck the rules and do whatever you want. And dog pile anyone who dares to call you out for it. If you're white you have to play by the rules. And you have to lose. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Only a fool plays when he knows the deck is stacked. Play a different game. |
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wow. an orgy of their own victimhood.
well, it certainly fits in GD. |
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affirmative action ( the good kind of racism ) is alive and well.
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...I'm not sure what bothers me more, the premise of the article, or the fact that it got published.
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Vox Day said it best regarding this incident:
"If logic is white privilege, then so is civilization." |
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They can have a debate about a certain topic, two black students can show up, disregard the topic, talk about soemthing entirely different, ignore scholarly research and cited facts, rap, use spoken poetry, call each other "nigga", use profanity, and be declared the winners? Holy fuck. How would you like to be the white kid that had to follow the rules being shouted down by the black kids for whom there are no rules? Next year the black kids should just punch the white kids in the head, knock-out game style, and claim it represents a different, but equal, diverse and multicultural approach to debate. View Quote One more example of this country going to shit. |
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So this is some kind of hoax right? I never heard of The Atlantic before, but even if they are a legit publication, I imagine they probably got passed this story from some other outfit as a joke, and nobody realized it. If any of this is real, I have no idea what to think of it. That would truly be upsetting to see at a so-called "debate". View Quote They've been around for 157 years. They publish "long-form" articles about various topics, like the New Yorker or such. |
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Two black guys guys could murder a white baby on stage, then fuck each other in the ass and they would be awarded honorary doctorate degrees at the university that is hosting the "debates".
"Academia" is so fucking upside down that nothing means anything anymore. |
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From the article:
"It used to be that if you went to a college-level debate tournament, ... they’d recite academic arguments for and against various government policies. ... No more. These days, ... participants [are]... incorporating personal experience, performance... Indeed, to prevail using the new approach, students don’t necessarily have to develop high-level research skills or marshal evidence from published scholarship. They also might not need to have the intellectual acuity required for arguing both sides of a resolution." I haven't been to a college debate in a long time, but from this it sounds as though "debate" has morphed from an endeavor to judge presentation of logic and mastery of facts to an endeavor to judge quality of stage performance and appeal to emotion. |
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Here's the video of it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HFbQftMe6qY At 49-50 minutes they start playing music and he starts rapping The two woman do some weird thing where they breath hard and say "uh" loud every 5 seconds. |
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What's sad about this is not that some fading liberal publication wrote it. It's that the vast majority of big name conservatives are afraid to use it to make hay.
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Vinge and Kurzweil may have their Technological Singularity to discuss, but I think far more likely and immediate is the coming Idiocratic Singularity. It's happening and American culture is far beyond the point where absurdity is recognized and treated for what it is. Academia itself is establishing that mass anger, profanity and shouting is superior to reason and logic. I want off this planet. View Quote Nature abhors cognitive dissonance. The pendulum is going to swing wayyyyyyyyyyyy back the other way. |
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This isn't complicated, guys. Anything based on or in any way related to a thought which cannot be summarized by "kill whitey" reinforces white privilege.
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From the article: "It used to be that if you went to a college-level debate tournament, ... they’d recite academic arguments for and against various government policies. ... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
From the article: "It used to be that if you went to a college-level debate tournament, ... they’d recite academic arguments for and against various government policies. ... From worthwhile. No more.
These days, ... participants [are]... incorporating personal experience, performance... Indeed, to prevail using the new approach, students don’t necessarily have to develop high-level research skills or marshal evidence from published scholarship. They also might not need to have the intellectual acuity required for arguing both sides of a resolution." To worthless. Diversity is strength! |
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