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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:23:07 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:23:37 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:25:08 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield Isapore Enfield 2A. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:25:28 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant. M39 flavor please. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:26:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:27:16 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield M1 Garand. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield. The seldom seen bolt action Garand? 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:27:45 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield Isapore Enfield 2A. 2A came after WWII. I have one of those too 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:28:23 PM EDT
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Is it fair to call the K31 a "WWII bolt action rifle"? To be part of a thing you have to participate.
ETA: But no for real K31s are outrageously sexy. ETA2: And I'm left handed, so they're like the perfect thing. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:30:46 PM EDT
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Is it fair to call the K31 a "WWII bolt action rifle"? To be part of a thing you have to participate. ETA: But no for real K31s are outrageously sexy. No doubt. Coincidentally, I just got an email from AIM saying that they're in stock again. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:30:47 PM EDT
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And.........go! Ever heard of the Mauser. The father of all great bolt actions......... |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:32:26 PM EDT
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Enfield had higher capacity and a better sighting system.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:32:45 PM EDT
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And.........go! Agreed |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:34:11 PM EDT
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Ever heard of the Mauser. The father of all great bolt actions......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And.........go! Ever heard of the Mauser. The father of all great bolt actions......... Yep. Own one of those too. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:34:54 PM EDT
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1903a3> K31
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:37:11 PM EDT
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I'll take an Enfield, Swede Mauser, or a 1903 over a K31. But the K31 is definitely up there and competing.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:37:37 PM EDT
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K98k
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:38:22 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant. Yep, have heard of those and shot them too. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:39:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: M39 flavor please. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant. M39 flavor please. A more clumsy and slow bolt action you will be hard pressed to find. Lee Enfield No.4 seems like a full auto in comparison. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:41:08 PM EDT
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The K31. King of the seldom mentioned Swiss front in WWII.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:42:00 PM EDT
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Another vote for the K-31. And, happy K-31 owner.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:42:25 PM EDT
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Ja.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:42:38 PM EDT
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Pull a K31 out of the stock.
The inletting was finished by hand, after rough in. Short of proper glass bedding, nothing I have ever seen is as close on a production Military rifle. The finish and fit of the bolt and cam, as well as triggers are what we now get after sending a rifle to a top end 'smith. K-31's are 87 miles down the road and ahead of every Bolt battle rifle cranked out in the 20th Century period. Pre-war 98's are whittled pointy sticks by comparison. Slap a scope on a K-31 sometime(Tapered receiver so it's interesting) and wring one out...the Swiss had thier shit wrapped TIGHT, and made art out of a battle rifle. The old SMLE was the better infantry rifle though. No way Tommy could respect the K-31. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:43:36 PM EDT
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What's the old joke? The Germans had the best hunting rifle, the Americans the best target rifle and the Brits, the best battle rifle. I don't know where the K31 fits. It's action is as smooth as silk, the manufacture is as tight as one could hope for, It actually reinforces the comment rumoured to be made by the Swiss ambassador discussing what would happen if the 500,000 Germans invaded Switzerland, defended by 250,000 Swiss. The Swiss would (obviously :-) Shoot twice and return home.)
I love my K31 and the rest of my WW2 bolt guns (esp Finn Mosins :-) |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:43:44 PM EDT
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Karbiner and Mosin
rest r junk NOTE:PRE-WAR MOSIN |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:45:40 PM EDT
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My Mosin(s) have [SA] markings.
Edit - ok, some don't - but they are still Finns. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:46:26 PM EDT
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I have everything named so far.... If I had to shoot a match with them.... My K31 hands down. I only have 5 cases of GP11 left....
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:52:04 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant. 
seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:53:04 PM EDT
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I have everything named so far.... If I had to shoot a match with them.... My K31 hands down. I only have 5 cases of GP11 left.... Sportsman's Guide had some last I checked. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:53:48 PM EDT
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seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant.
seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun The type 99 Arisaka? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:54:09 PM EDT
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The seldom seen bolt action Garand?
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield. The seldom seen bolt action Garand?
strictly speaking the garand is a turnbolt action and it's by far the best rifle of WWII, no contest |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:55:43 PM EDT
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I didn't know that dated back to WW II. Since it does, you're right. Is best rifle. Enfield is second best. People give the mauser too much credit. It's a great all around rifle, but there were better rifles. The mosin and arisaka (very underrated rifle) round out the bottom end of good rifles.
MOST of the bolt action rifles from world war 2 were good though, and the "best" comes down to personal preference. It's much easier to pick out bad rifles, like this one:  Quoted: anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Why I said it's underrated. Damn fine engineered rifle. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:56:34 PM EDT
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Sportsman's Guide had some last I checked. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have everything named so far.... If I had to shoot a match with them.... My K31 hands down. I only have 5 cases of GP11 left.... Sportsman's Guide had some last I checked. All of you rich people, with your surplus collections. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:57:46 PM EDT
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seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant.
seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Interesting to note, Savage recognized design brilliance when they saw it. Remmie claimed fastest lock times and rings of steel...Savage actually had it thanks to basing the 10/110 off of the Arisaka and NOT the Mauser. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:57:59 PM EDT
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant.
seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun The type 99 Arisaka? yup |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:59:40 PM EDT
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seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin Nagant.
seriously? you guys love those commie drainpipes but they are not considered to be remarkable for design or build quality anyway, you guys forgot about the Japanese bolt action they used during WWII, that gun was a real workhorse and probably has the strongest receiver of any bolt gun ever made they almost cannot be blown up, they will hold together right up to the point that the barrel is literally blown off the gun To be honest, I was kind of joking.
I love WWII rifles, but I only have an M44 and an M24/47. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:59:51 PM EDT
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Is it fair to call the K31 a "WWII bolt action rifle"? To be part of a thing you have to participate. ETA: But no for real K31s are outrageously sexy. ETA2: And I'm left handed, so they're like the perfect thing. The Swiss did participate to a certain extent. They impounded aircraft and took POW's that wandered into their territory. K31's also protected the fuck out of all that stolen Nazi gold. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:01:35 PM EDT
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I have everything named so far.... If I had to shoot a match with them.... My K31 hands down. I only have 5 cases of GP11 left.... Sportsman's Guide had some last I checked. All of you rich people, with your surplus collections. Rich? All my surplus rifles together cost less than a DPMS AR-15
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:04:19 PM EDT
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Ever heard of the Mauser. The father of all great bolt actions......... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And.........go! Ever heard of the Mauser. The father of all great bolt actions......... WTH, To be considered you need to have fired a shot in anger. Not sure how they would of fared on either side of the eastern front. Great for fire wood I bet. Nice guns, Battle tested no way. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:05:14 PM EDT
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I have everything named so far.... If I had to shoot a match with them.... My K31 hands down. I only have 5 cases of GP11 left.... Never shot a K31, everything else mentioned here yes. Is that straight pull faster? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:05:15 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: All of you rich people, with your surplus collections. I don't have a milsurp collection.  They done told me to by a k-31 when they were cheap. I didn't listen. (although they're still relatively cheap, but they aren't dirt cheap anymore) |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:10:44 PM EDT
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I don't have a milsurp collection.
They done told me to by a k-31 when they were cheap. I didn't listen. (although they're still relatively cheap, but they aren't dirt cheap anymore)
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All of you rich people, with your surplus collections. I don't have a milsurp collection.
They done told me to by a k-31 when they were cheap. I didn't listen. (although they're still relatively cheap, but they aren't dirt cheap anymore)
280 something for a beech stock and 310 for a walnut. I just ordered a walnut. Not dirt cheap, but still pretty darn cheap. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:11:43 PM EDT
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I have a K31 sitting in the safe. It's still got the tag on it from AIM. I haven't cleaned it or shot it. I dont have any ammo for it either. I suck at owning guns.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:12:29 PM EDT
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Pretty sure the K31 has never been used in combat. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:17:00 PM EDT
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strictly speaking the garand is a turnbolt action and it's by far the best rifle of WWII, no contest Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Obviously you haven't heard of the Mosin NagantEnfield. The seldom seen bolt action Garand?
strictly speaking the garand is a turnbolt action and it's by far the best rifle of WWII, no contest You're right it is. The shape of the bolt not withstanding. Two giant locking lugs.... Gas operated instead of "arm". One of the reasons it's so accurate compared to most other semis. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:17:55 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pretty sure the K31 has never been used in combat.  |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:18:36 PM EDT
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The No. 4 MK 2 Enfield is the pinnacle of all general issue Bolt-Action Battle Rifles.
Short bolt throw, smooth action, Rugged as hell, accurate enough and most importantly, a 10 shot magazine in a 5 shot world. Will sustain a higher rate of accurate fire than any other bolt gun. End of Story. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:33:06 PM EDT
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The No. 4 MK 2 Enfield is the pinnacle of all general issue Bolt-Action Battle Rifles. Short bolt throw, smooth action, Rugged as hell, accurate enough and most importantly, a 10 shot magazine in a 5 shot world. Will sustain a higher rate of accurate fire than any other bolt gun. End of Story. Couldn't get past that low comb on the only one I ever shot.......but that was along time ago and I'm fatter these days. Maybe my cheeks are big enough now so maybe it wouldn't matter.
Never liked the .303 cartridge though. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:44:21 PM EDT
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FG42 > K31
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:46:05 PM EDT
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Karbiner and Mosin rest r junk NOTE:PRE-WAR MOSIN You mean pre Spanish-American war? Yep, definitely should have equipped our boys with Mosins after the sinking of the Maine. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:53:37 PM EDT
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The No. 4 MK 2 Enfield is the pinnacle of all general issue Bolt-Action Battle Rifles. Short bolt throw, smooth action, Rugged as hell, accurate enough and most importantly, a 10 shot magazine in a 5 shot world. Will sustain a higher rate of accurate fire than any other bolt gun. End of Story. .303 sucks ass due to the rim overlap issue. At least the Russians were bright enough to put an interrupter in the Mosin. |
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