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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:17:40 PM EDT
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Intellectual developmental disability.
Sounds like engineering school material to me. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:19:41 PM EDT
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He would ace Women's Studies or one of those other useless libtard degree programs.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:20:49 PM EDT
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Good for him. Sounds like he found a program that works for him and not everyone else.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:21:25 PM EDT
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Good for him. It'll boost his self esteem.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:24:15 PM EDT
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I bet he'll do better than most of the kids I knew in College.
Good for him. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:26:57 PM EDT
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He will fit in fine out in Madison. Nobody would be able to tell the difference between him and any other college student there.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:28:04 PM EDT
[#7]
Good for him.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:29:42 PM EDT
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What the fuck, obama graduated Harvard.
Fuck be upon him. ( obama, not the tard.)
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:30:57 PM EDT
[#9]
You have a point, OP, but using Mr. Van Vooren to illustrate it is pretty impudent.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:31:18 PM EDT
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Have you experienced the quality of recent college grads?
Can't do much worse. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:32:06 PM EDT
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But I'm wondering, doesn't that kind of invalidate higher education? If someone tells you they've got a BSc in Chemistry from Edgewood College, are you going to worry that they got it through the "Cutting Edge Program"? If not, I don't think so. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:36:12 PM EDT
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Wonder if he will be drinking/partying/doing blow?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:38:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You have a point, OP, but using Mr. Van Vooren to illustrate it is pretty impudent. I already stated it wasn't the kids fault. My point is, "College" implies some kind of higher learning. If mentally challenged people can earn "college" degrees, then it really isn't college anymore. It's become something else. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:40:36 PM EDT
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Good for him. It'll boost his self esteem. That's the most important part. Diplomas for everyone! |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:40:47 PM EDT
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More power to this kid and his parents for giving it a shot. Let's face it, many college degrees are not about building rocket scientists, they are about enduring through 120+ credit hours of course work. Hell, they gave my ex-wife a degree.
There is a local program that takes mentally or physically handicapped people and gives them a job doing something like housekeeping or lawn work. They show up every day, on time and bust there ass. Granted there are some odd behaviors like some will lose their shit if someone touches their broom, but overall do a good job. Did watch one of the dudes pull a piece of gum from a urinal with bare hands, but that doesn't really distinguish him from half the other people that work there. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:47:21 PM EDT
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This isn't a mainstream program that will put him into a Biochemistry class, it's a program that will give him a generic degree that will help him boost his self esteem.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:49:21 PM EDT
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Intellectual developmental disability. Sounds like engineering Journalism school material to me. FIFY |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:51:55 PM EDT
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FIFY Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Intellectual developmental disability. Sounds like engineering Journalism school material to me. FIFY Yeah, engineering would be interpersonal relationship developmental disability |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:55:46 PM EDT
[#19]
Nothing new Pelosi, Biden, Sheila Jackson Lee all went to college.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:00:57 PM EDT
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It's kinda like this, and there is nothing nefarious afoot - only good, decent intentions. Don't make it into something it's not. Just appreciate it for what it is:  |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:03:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How so? I already stated it wasn't the kids fault. My point is, "College" implies some kind of higher learning. If mentally challenged people can earn "college" degrees, then it really isn't college anymore. It's become something else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have a point, OP, but using Mr. Van Vooren to illustrate it is pretty impudent. I already stated it wasn't the kids fault. My point is, "College" implies some kind of higher learning. If mentally challenged people can earn "college" degrees, then it really isn't college anymore. It's become something else. You make a valid point when talking about the dumbing down of certain degree programs. If capable people are entering these programs and not being educated to the fullest extent, then yes, I'd say that that invalidates higher education. Offering a separate college program for the disabled is quite a different thing, however. It has absolutely nothing to do with the lessening of standards for more advanced programs. Will this guy attend engineering college, receive a different syllabus, take different tests, and then receive the same degree as everyone else? No, and therefore I really don't think you have anything to worry about. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:04:10 PM EDT
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Everybody should be so lucky to be that excited and happy about something, just once in their life.
I'd be much more worried about programs like ITT calling themselves a college than a place whose purpose is to train and help those with disabilities become more independent. NO ONE hiring a grad from this college has any illusions about the graduate or what's taught there. Frankly I'm happy such things exist and would much rather subsidize that than the other "colleges" that no one bats an eye about where the graduates aren't developmentally disabled but simply lazy and stupid. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:04:32 PM EDT
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It's kinda like this, and there is nothing nefarious afoot - only good, decent intentions. Don't make it into something it's not. Just appreciate it for what it is:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hV5fTUoXcI love that story |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:06:35 PM EDT
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Special Ed for college?
WTF? Well, I guess the have to hire HR from somewhere. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:06:59 PM EDT
[#25]
Good for him.
It is a special program. He will not get a "normal" degree. But if he wants to work hard to be the best he can be, good for him. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:08:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good for him. It is a special program. He will not get a "normal" degree. But if he wants to work hard to be the best he can be, good for him. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:09:00 PM EDT
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How does this possibly invalidate someone's degree at a university? It's a program designed for special needs kids so they can learn proper skills to integrate better into the workforce. They aren't graduating with a engineering or medical degree now. There's no dumbing down of anything. I guess some here didn't bother to read the info in the link.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:12:15 PM EDT
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Does he get to bang co-eds, too?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:13:04 PM EDT
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Does he get to bang co-eds, too? Like a college grad on a drum set. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:15:52 PM EDT
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Not to be cynical, but it sounds like the school business office has penetrated another market.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:17:34 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I love that story Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's kinda like this, and there is nothing nefarious afoot - only good, decent intentions. Don't make it into something it's not. Just appreciate it for what it is: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5hV5fTUoXcI love that story It's the same guy in both stories. Noah. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:20:02 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How does this possibly invalidate someone's degree at a university? It's a program designed for special needs kids so they can learn proper skills to integrate better into the workforce. They aren't graduating with a engineering or medical degree now. There's no dumbing down of anything. I guess some here didn't bother to read the info in the link. This is GD. We gripe about the FSA because they're undeserving, then we gripe about a Down syndrome guy going to college because he's undeserving. Discernment is not our forte. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:20:40 PM EDT
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He'd make a swell tutor at the jock dorm.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:21:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:24:03 PM EDT
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY3mBkRenAM
He wore a hat and had a job and he brought home the bacon so that no one knew....... |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:31:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not to be cynical, but it sounds like the school business office has penetrated another market. I don't find it cynical. Will it not be a good thing if this other market ends up finding employment as a result? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:43:17 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryI smiled.  I don't have anyone in my family with Down Syndrome but growing up, I knew two who did have it - one when I was a 4th grader in a private Christian school, and one when I was at a public High School. And for reasons I'll never really understand, I always took to them. I wanted to hang out with them as much as I could. I always invited them to my house for birthday parties, or or just plain hanging out. Looking back on it, the neat thing was, that as soon as I started including them in my little circle, all the other kids did the same. I've only known two kids with Down Syndrome, so...small sample size, but they were people that never failed to make me smile. Thinking back, both of them reinforced my long held belief that at our core, human beings are basically decent people. Was I wrong? Was my sample size too small? Maybe. Hell, probably. Don't really care. I have a HUGE soft spot for kids with Down Syndrome, and I couldn't possibly explain why. I'll even grant that it's probably emotional, or subjective, based on limited anecdotal evidence. Fine. But the two kids I've known were so God damned nice and genuinely innocent, that I feel like only a truly vile piece of shit could have disliked them. I suppose it's entirely possible that I'm inadvertently extending my adoration to rotten, undeserving kids with Down Syndrome that I really don't know, but I doubt it.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:43:47 PM EDT
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I don't find it cynical. Will it not be a good thing if this other market ends up finding employment as a result? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not to be cynical, but it sounds like the school business office has penetrated another market. I don't find it cynical. Will it not be a good thing if this other market ends up finding employment as a result? Well, yeah. He'll need to pay off a huge debt. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:47:05 PM EDT
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As long as it is funded entirely by tuition, I don't see a problem. If the market allows for it, have fun.
But I have a sinking feeling that there's a lot of tax money involved and funds being diverted from students that can perform.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:50:26 PM EDT
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Have you experienced the quality of recent college grads? Can't do much worse. your making ussumptions......for all intensive purposes collage is really hard as it always has been. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:57:23 PM EDT
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Does Malaysian Airlines recruit from this college?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:59:27 PM EDT
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your making ussumptions......for all intensive purposes collage is really hard as it always has been. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Have you experienced the quality of recent college grads? Can't do much worse. your making ussumptions......for all intensive purposes collage is really hard as it always has been. I see what you did there... |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:06:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as it is funded entirely by tuition, I don't see a problem. If the market allows for it, have fun. But I have a sinking feeling that there's a lot of tax money involved and funds being diverted from students that can perform. Quote HistoryQuoted: As long as it is funded entirely by tuition, I don't see a problem. If the market allows for it, have fun. But I have a sinking feeling that there's a lot of tax money involved and funds being diverted from students that can perform. I doubt it's a lot. From 2007-2012, the Cutting-Edge program has supported 32 students with the opportunity to attend college by attending required/undergraduate courses, practicums and internships, student housing, and learning with a peer mentors by engaging in student-life events, as well as pursuing community service. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How so? I already stated it wasn't the kids fault. My point is, "College" implies some kind of higher learning. If mentally challenged people can earn "college" degrees, then it really isn't college anymore. It's become something else. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: You have a point, OP, but using Mr. Van Vooren to illustrate it is pretty impudent. I already stated it wasn't the kids fault. My point is, "College" implies some kind of higher learning. If mentally challenged people can earn "college" degrees, then it really isn't college anymore. It's become something else. Pretty much. Some people have their hearts in the right place but are forgetting that you can't just wish away mental handicaps.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:16:43 PM EDT
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My point is, "College" implies some kind of higher learning. If mentally challenged people can earn "college" degrees, then it really isn't college anymore. It's become something else. I agree with your point, but not in this instance. I don't think his "degree" will devalue any of our degrees. It's not exactly like we'll be competing for the same jobs. For "normal" colleges, I absolutely agree that lowering standards and pushing students through who can't perform does devalue the rest of our degrees. If he wants to work hard at school and hopefully find a job he can do, I say good for him. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:17:08 PM EDT
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I did a search and found nothing. Here is the link http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2014/04/16/young-man-with-downs-syndrome-has-the-best-reaction-to-college-acceptance-letter/ Nothing against the kid, it's not his fault. And everyone seems happy for him. But I'm wondering, doesn't that kind of invalidate higher education? Van Voreen will be attending Edgewood’s "Cutting Edge Program,” which is designed for students with "intellectual developmental disabilities.” College will soon be the new high school, if it's not already. They've already dumbed down my degree so much that new graduates fail to grasp concepts like flaming a loop to sterilize it so you can isolate bacteria colonies. Or even the ability to do a simple gram stain. They've taken away physics, most chemistry, and higher math as well. We have techs that have difficulty making a 70% solution of something. On the other hand, he's probably more qualified to be president than obama. Who cares who is accepted to college. You are buying a class. You still have to make the grades. No, him going doesn't make you less of a man. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:19:01 PM EDT
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Waiting on the first Downs syndrom person to be elected President of the United States.
We're all about first's now. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:31:48 PM EDT
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Isn't this one of these programs that has been in the news where they go to a college for a summer program of maybe 6 weeks. Get some generic life skills classes for the mentally challenged and then get a certificate for completing the program?
Not a degree program, but more along the lines of summer camp for the challenged? Like mentioned, self esteem booster before they get their regular job of mopping out the bathroom of the local fast food restaurant and living in a group home. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:32:27 PM EDT
[#49]
Good for him.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:47:28 PM EDT
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Back in my days of factory work we employed groups of people with downs to perform some routine tasks, and they were quite simply amazing workers, they got the same pay as the rest of us, worked just as hard, if not harder, and were generally a joy to be around.
So good for them I say. Was a crap day when new management came in and canned them because they thought they could get it done cheaper elsewhere. |
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