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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:01:59 AM EDT
[#1]
not without this
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:16:41 AM EDT
[#2]
Good for them
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:21:11 AM EDT
[#3]
Nice job!
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:46:31 AM EDT
[#4]
Yup.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:08:04 AM EDT
[#5]
Not a cop, and we didn't wear vests, but I did the combat water survival test multiple times, jumping in pools or lakes wearing full military web gear and a rifle and swimming whatever distance was required.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:19:16 AM EDT
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:21:47 AM EDT
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Subscribe to read the full story.
 Nope.
But, mad props to the officers. The shoes/boots alone would be enough of a hassle without adding 20 pounds of gear. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:21:58 AM EDT
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Excellent! I used to teach this stuff in the Corps. Good on your department. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:25:43 AM EDT
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:28:07 AM EDT
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:32:08 AM EDT
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Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). They don't. The whole idea is to make the belt as hard to rip off as possible. (keepers, etc) |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:39:48 AM EDT
[#12]
you guys would love the helo dunker.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:48:03 AM EDT
[#13]
Crap, I sink like a rock WITH OUT my damn gear!
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:10:27 AM EDT
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you guys would love the helo dunker. Nobody loves the dunker. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:11:31 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: you guys would love the helo dunker. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:12:14 AM EDT
[#16]
This in when the tactical beer belly comes in extra flotation
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:12:35 AM EDT
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you guys would love the helo dunker. Childsplay. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:15:58 AM EDT
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Not a cop, and we didn't wear vests, but I did the combat water survival test multiple times, jumping in pools or lakes wearing full military web gear and a rifle and swimming whatever distance was required. did this a few times myself |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:18:07 AM EDT
[#19]
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Not a cop, and we didn't wear vests, but I did the combat water survival test multiple times, jumping in pools or lakes wearing full military web gear and a rifle and swimming whatever distance was required. Army? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:18:41 AM EDT
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Courageous and selfless acts like this are too scarce these days.
If that was my wife and grandchild, neither of those officers would ever buy another beer again. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:24:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They don't. The whole idea is to make the belt as hard to rip off as possible. (keepers, etc) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). They don't. The whole idea is to make the belt as hard to rip off as possible. (keepers, etc) I wear six keepers, and I know for a fact that I can have my belt off in 10 seconds or less when I REALLY have to take a shit.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:28:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not a cop, and we didn't wear vests, but I did the combat water survival test multiple times, jumping in pools or lakes wearing full military web gear and a rifle and swimming whatever distance was required. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:31:38 AM EDT
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I have once. Went into a pool that a toddler fell into. It wasn't easy. LOL But the kid was OK and I was waterlogged.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 9:31:48 AM EDT
[#24]
More swimming cops.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:18:54 AM EDT
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I haven't but the thought has crossed my mind what if I had to swim out to get someone.
It would be a difficult swim with a vest,loaded duty belt and boots. If there were other policeman that showed up at the same time it wouldn't surprise me if they gave them their stuff or maybe dumped it in the trunk before going out. I can't imagine jumping in with all that stuff on. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:25:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). They don't. The whole idea is to make the belt as hard to rip off as possible. (keepers, etc) I wear six keepers, and I know for a fact that I can have my belt off in 10 seconds or less when I REALLY have to take a shit. Code brown? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:28:32 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryCame to mention this as I'm sitting about 100 yards from that pool right now. Michigan might as well be Waterworld so it's most certainly wise to train for it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:38:50 AM EDT
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I wear six keepers, and I know for a fact that I can have my belt off in 10 seconds or less when I REALLY have to take a shit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). They don't. The whole idea is to make the belt as hard to rip off as possible. (keepers, etc) I wear six keepers, and I know for a fact that I can have my belt off in 10 seconds or less when I REALLY have to take a shit. I can do it in six seconds. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:38:53 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? When I was in the academy, we had a water safety class that ended with a day at the pool. The instructor asked who the best swimmer was? Everyone pointed to a guy that was a former SEAL. They had him put on a wool Sheriffs uniform, vest, duty belt, and boots. The pool was a square pool, 25 yards on each side. The recruit had to jump feet first into the pool and swim along the sides of the pool and then pull himself out for the clock to stop. The recruit was slow but stead, took a couple treading breaks and finished the swim in about 3 minutes. It took him an additional 3 minutes to pull his water logged ass out of the pool. Everyone was impressed. The instructor told the recruit Good Job. The recruit asked if he beat the record? The instructor told him, there was no record, he's the first recruit to finish the course. The instructor said that they've had several finish the swimming part, but couldn't pull themselves, let alone whom ever they would supposedly be saving, out of the water. After the course, they had the recruit attempt a couple of easy obstacles. He was exhausted. He said his arms and legs were like rubber. I'm not saying I'd never do it, but I would take the time to dump the belt and boots before jumping into water. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:40:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryCode brown? ten 100 |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 10:58:50 AM EDT
[#31]
Chlorine discolored name tapes is how you identify operating operators.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:04:18 AM EDT
[#32]
Quote HistoryQuoted: When I was in the academy, we had a water safety class that ended with a day at the pool. The instructor asked who the best swimmer was? Everyone pointed to a guy that was a former SEAL. They had him put on a wool Sheriffs uniform, vest, duty belt, and boots. The pool was a square pool, 25 yards on each side. The recruit had to jump feet first into the pool and swim along the sides of the pool and then pull himself out for the clock to stop. The recruit was slow but stead, took a couple treading breaks and finished the swim in about 3 minutes. It took him an additional 3 minutes to pull his water logged ass out of the pool. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? When I was in the academy, we had a water safety class that ended with a day at the pool. The instructor asked who the best swimmer was? Everyone pointed to a guy that was a former SEAL. They had him put on a wool Sheriffs uniform, vest, duty belt, and boots. The pool was a square pool, 25 yards on each side. The recruit had to jump feet first into the pool and swim along the sides of the pool and then pull himself out for the clock to stop. The recruit was slow but stead, took a couple treading breaks and finished the swim in about 3 minutes. It took him an additional 3 minutes to pull his water logged ass out of the pool. Everyone was impressed. The instructor told the recruit Good Job. The recruit asked if he beat the record? The instructor told him, there was no record, he's the first recruit to finish the course. The instructor said that they've had several finish the swimming part, but couldn't pull themselves, let alone whom ever they would supposedly be saving, out of the water. After the course, they had the recruit attempt a couple of easy obstacles. He was exhausted. He said his arms and legs were like rubber. I'm not saying I'd never do it, but I would take the time to dump the belt and boots before jumping into water. I never thought about the uniforms either  some cops have wool year round here |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:52:15 PM EDT
[#33]
Quote HistoryQuoted: Army? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Not a cop, and we didn't wear vests, but I did the combat water survival test multiple times, jumping in pools or lakes wearing full military web gear and a rifle and swimming whatever distance was required. Army? ROTC cadidiot, plus an Explorer Post that was chartered to a National Guard SF battalion, CWST is much more fun when your web gear includes a full buttpack... and was at the start of three days of patrolling ops. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:02:57 PM EDT
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We lost a good guy that way. He was trying to save a woman in distress in the river. Water is not your friend if you're wearing a duty belt.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:11:29 PM EDT
[#35]
Not a cop, but jumping in water with a full set of bunkers is easy. Add a SCBA and it's just like scuba diving.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:11:48 PM EDT
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When I was in the academy, we had a water safety class that ended with a day at the pool. The instructor asked who the best swimmer was? Everyone pointed to a guy that was a former SEAL. They had him put on a wool Sheriffs uniform, vest, duty belt, and boots. The pool was a square pool, 25 yards on each side. The recruit had to jump feet first into the pool and swim along the sides of the pool and then pull himself out for the clock to stop. The recruit was slow but stead, took a couple treading breaks and finished the swim in about 3 minutes. It took him an additional 3 minutes to pull his water logged ass out of the pool. Everyone was impressed. The instructor told the recruit Good Job. The recruit asked if he beat the record? The instructor told him, there was no record, he's the first recruit to finish the course. The instructor said that they've had several finish the swimming part, but couldn't pull themselves, let alone whom ever they would supposedly be saving, out of the water. After the course, they had the recruit attempt a couple of easy obstacles. He was exhausted. He said his arms and legs were like rubber. I'm not saying I'd never do it, but I would take the time to dump the belt and boots before jumping into water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? When I was in the academy, we had a water safety class that ended with a day at the pool. The instructor asked who the best swimmer was? Everyone pointed to a guy that was a former SEAL. They had him put on a wool Sheriffs uniform, vest, duty belt, and boots. The pool was a square pool, 25 yards on each side. The recruit had to jump feet first into the pool and swim along the sides of the pool and then pull himself out for the clock to stop. The recruit was slow but stead, took a couple treading breaks and finished the swim in about 3 minutes. It took him an additional 3 minutes to pull his water logged ass out of the pool. Everyone was impressed. The instructor told the recruit Good Job. The recruit asked if he beat the record? The instructor told him, there was no record, he's the first recruit to finish the course. The instructor said that they've had several finish the swimming part, but couldn't pull themselves, let alone whom ever they would supposedly be saving, out of the water. After the course, they had the recruit attempt a couple of easy obstacles. He was exhausted. He said his arms and legs were like rubber. I'm not saying I'd never do it, but I would take the time to dump the belt and boots before jumping into water. Belt wouldnt kill it for me. Vest and boots would. Boots would be about as effective as swimming with closed fists. Vest would probably provide more drag than any other piece of clothing save for a tucked in button up shirt. Swam entire life competitively. Was all american junior/senior year, life guard swims, and time with college team before leaving due to valuing job/money more. Energy conservation and comfort level in the water are key. Just approaching a paniced person in the water is dangeous enough to lifeguards who are wearing trunks and have a floatation device in tow. I wish my academy had a pool. I would go back as an instructor for the very reasons you mention. People may think they are a good swimmer but the reality is dog paddle doesnt count. I am amazed at how many people cannot swim. Wouldnt look good though if a recruit drowned during an academy swim and had to be given mouth to mouth. Bad enough that some recruits have ambulances called on day one for normal PT |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:13:34 PM EDT
[#37]
I'm a strong swimmer but I'm not jumping in with my belt and vest on.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:18:48 PM EDT
[#38]
Quote HistoryThis, my gear/uniform/boots adds 37 lbs to me. I'd drown, no point in adding another person to be rescued. I'll take my vest and belt off. Not to down play what these officer did, they're straight up awesome. Me, I'll need to take 20 seconds to shed some gear. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:30:05 PM EDT
[#39]
PERHAPS THEY DIDNT HAVE TO SWIM BUT WATER WAS WASTE CHEST DEEP ETC?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:33:12 PM EDT
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Code brown? ten 100 you urban guys have it easy 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:33:44 PM EDT
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This, my gear/uniform/boots adds 37 lbs to me. I'd drown, no point in adding another person to be rescued. I'll take my vest and belt off. Not to down play what these officer did, they're straight up awesome. Me, I'll need to take 20 seconds to shed some gear. Quote HistoryQuoted:
This, my gear/uniform/boots adds 37 lbs to me. I'd drown, no point in adding another person to be rescued. I'll take my vest and belt off. Not to down play what these officer did, they're straight up awesome. Me, I'll need to take 20 seconds to shed some gear. Yeah that's a lot of extra weight. I just learned how to swim last summer so I know there is no way I'd made it with all that stuff on. Glad I learned though, wasn't on duty or anything but a few days ago I had to swim and get a kid who jumped in a pool and couldn't swim, right place, right time and glad I took those lessons. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:42:45 PM EDT
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Hope they had otterboxes on their personal cellphones.
How about their radios and tasers? Are they waterproof? Does body armor get damaged by being submerged? (I know some LEO's buy their own, that would suck to have to replace a 500$ vest). |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:44:18 PM EDT
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Code brown? ten 100 you urban guys have it easy http://www.gerber-tools.com/images/Gerber-Gorge-Folding-Shovel-22-41578-350x350.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Toiletpapier_(Gobran111).jpg/220px-Toiletpapier_(Gobran111).jpg Do rural cops really have to shit in the woods often? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:48:13 PM EDT
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Code brown? ten 100 you urban guys have it easy http://www.gerber-tools.com/images/Gerber-Gorge-Folding-Shovel-22-41578-350x350.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Toiletpapier_(Gobran111).jpg/220px-Toiletpapier_(Gobran111).jpg Do rural cops really have to shit in the woods often? not really unless you make the mistake of eating on of these heated in a gas station microwave
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:52:23 PM EDT
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I have several times both in the river going after bad guys and a few times pulling people off the bottom of pools. I prefer to shed my stuff if able but have gone in full duty belt, vest and boots before.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:53:09 PM EDT
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Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We test for it. Four lakes in our area and several lake patrol units. Life jackets and throw lines in all the cars too. Pleasantly surprising. How much tougher is the swim with your gear on? Tape a 2.5lb plate to each foot, and hang a 25lb plate around your waist and go for a swim... ETA: I know how to swim, but nearly positive I would have drowned if I were them. If I had to go in, I wouldn't ditched my belt on the shore (assuming they come off quickly?). Same here, I can't swim for shit. I barely made third class swim qual in the Corps. And I was a 300 PFT guy, so it had nothing to do with fitness. Also had years of swim classes as a kid, so it's not that I never learned. I just suck at it and don't float well....especially with gear on. When I was in swim classes as a kid, we had to swim for 45 minutes straight without touching the sides, and tread water for 10 minutes. That was much easier than third class in the Corps, which if I remember correctly, was 5 minutes swimming in cammies, followed by 5 minutes treading water in cammies (no break in between). But that difference might have had a lot to do with the change in body mass and density from a kid to an adult. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:59:42 PM EDT
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Hope they had otterboxes on their personal cellphones. How about their radios and tasers? Are they waterproof? Does body armor get damaged by being submerged? (I know some LEO's buy their own, that would suck to have to replace a 500$ vest). Radios likely ruined. I saw a small puddle ruin an Astro Sabre, not sure if the newest stuff is more waterproof. Body armor would likely need replacing as well. Full submersion would probably have some negative effect on the integrity of the materials. Cell phones would be fried as well. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:03:14 PM EDT
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you guys would love the helo dunker. Nobody loves the dunker. When my dad went through it in Glasgow, a dumbass activated his vest inside the helo. Pinned him to the floor and he almost drowned. Only thing that saved his ass was a rescue diver with a knife. Sounds like that was pretty common. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:05:02 PM EDT
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Code brown? ten 100 you urban guys have it easy http://www.gerber-tools.com/images/Gerber-Gorge-Folding-Shovel-22-41578-350x350.gif http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/a5/Toiletpapier_(Gobran111).jpg/220px-Toiletpapier_(Gobran111).jpg Try using an 8' ground rod and duck feather oil absorbant pads. Good times.....Goodtimes. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:09:28 PM EDT
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Not a cop, and we didn't wear vests, but I did the combat water survival test multiple times, jumping in pools or lakes wearing full military web gear and a rifle and swimming whatever distance was required. This. We didn't have plates when I was in, but I did put a few bricks in the bottom of my ALICE pack... D(WSQ)Peacher 
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