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Posted: 4/19/2014 8:37:47 PM EDT
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Earlier someone was dissing open carriers with revolvers. I went to Walmart for last minute Easter stuff, so I carried my S&W Model 66 no-dash .357 magnum (wearing pearls, it's a holiday) in a Strong leather pancake holster. As usually the crowd was oblivious and no fucks were given. MissBheaven requested I bring back a photo . . . http://www.fototime.com/%7B9C029F9B-A6BB-46DE-9D34-C6959EE07F0F%7D/origpict/ocwm041914.jpg http://www.ar15.com/media/viewFile.html?i=63068 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:19:24 AM EDT
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Boobolitz 4:13 - yea verily, the shepard of the sheep shalt go forth into the flock of the Lord, and thy shalt wearith thine croatian devining rod of retribution upon thine body within the shell of holy kydex. Though the evils of the world, the neckbeards of Satan congregate at Walmart, the sons the Lord need not fear, as they shall be sheltered by the holy sheepdog. I say verily unto you, woof. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile This was worth the whole thread 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:37:58 AM EDT
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I think you see the SERPA's on more people for one simple fact...
They can be had in the big box stores. Cabelas, Sportsmans and the likes. Guys are choosing those over the Uncle Mikes, and you can walk in and buy. Just an observation, I am a dirt shooter with no training beyond the simple .mil stuff, and have never used a SERPA. 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:45:47 AM EDT
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I carry a Glock in a SERPA. I've tried the ALS, and wasn't happy with it - I just plain don't like the "hood" part of it. I'm aware of the potential issue with drawing like you have lobster claws and snagging the trigger. I've trained enough that I'm no longer concerned about it. As for it locking up... well, Arfcom assures me that it's made of paper mache, so if I'm ever in a situation where the holster is locked up and I need the gun, I'll just give it a light twist and the holster will snap right in two, putting me back in action.  There's a thumb drive option for the ALS. Yeah, I like the thumb option ALS holsters. For OWB holsters, they are my first choice. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:59:51 AM EDT
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Haha, wrong! I open carry my XD in a Bianchi model 82, not a serpa.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:12:04 AM EDT
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The Safariland GLS looks to be the best thing in retention holsters yet. Tried to embed, removed the "s" and still no dice.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:26:51 AM EDT
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My problem with the Safariland holsters is they're pretty much open-carry-only holsters. They sit too low and too far from the body to be easily concealed, which is my mode of carry 90% of the time. But in the Atlanta heat, sometimes if I'm walking the dog or whatever, I don't want to wear a cover garment. The Bianchi CarryLok rides high and tight like a decent concealed rig should, has rock-solid retention, and doesn't have the "dirt/grit" lockup problems of the serpa. I'm not a huge fan of the release action but nothing's perfect.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:34:45 AM EDT
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My problem with the Safariland holsters is they're pretty much open-carry-only holsters. They sit too low and too far from the body to be easily concealed, which is my mode of carry 90% of the time. But in the Atlanta heat, sometimes if I'm walking the dog or whatever, I don't want to wear a cover garment. The Bianchi CarryLok rides high and tight like a decent concealed rig should, has rock-solid retention, and doesn't have the "dirt/grit" lockup problems of the serpa. I'm not a huge fan of the release action but nothing's perfect. Look at the GLS video I just posted. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:44:58 AM EDT
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Variety is the spice of life. 
Honestly, I don't shoot nearly enough these days. Mostly I shoot my XDM when I go out, as that's the gun I generally carry. If a 1911 would hold 13 rounds of .45ACP, I'd probably spend most of my time shooting that and use it for carry. It's my favorite gun, but IMO it's too big and carries too few rounds for a practical CCW gun. I know there are 9MM's that are more compact and carry more rounds, but my first pistol was 45ACP, and since I reload, I just kept buying 45's. I don't feel the need to add more calibers to my reloading hobby... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So is the XD crap too No. They work well. Better grip angle than a Glock, for me. The trigger is....striker. The Glock and M&P fanbois seem to dump on it to validate their choices. The 1911 fanbois dump on it, too, but they dump on everything. I guess I have to buy an M&P, then. I already have an XDM, a Glock, and a 1911. Must ensure I have something for everyone to hate! 
Why not just pick one and get good with it? Variety is the spice of life.
Honestly, I don't shoot nearly enough these days. Mostly I shoot my XDM when I go out, as that's the gun I generally carry. If a 1911 would hold 13 rounds of .45ACP, I'd probably spend most of my time shooting that and use it for carry. It's my favorite gun, but IMO it's too big and carries too few rounds for a practical CCW gun. I know there are 9MM's that are more compact and carry more rounds, but my first pistol was 45ACP, and since I reload, I just kept buying 45's. I don't feel the need to add more calibers to my reloading hobby... I don't know about your physiological specifics, but this is what works for me: 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 7:49:03 AM EDT
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At least if they ND with an XD, they'll only put a hole in themselves and/or the floor. If they were using a Glock with a serpa, they have the potential to take out a 5m radius with an ND. Don't forget about the 15m casulty radius. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:20:59 AM EDT
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The Safariland GLS looks to be the best thing in retention holsters yet. Tried to embed, removed the "s" and still no dice. 
This is relevant to my interests. Too bad they don't have an option for any of the guns I carry. 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:28:12 AM EDT
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Look at the GLS video I just posted. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My problem with the Safariland holsters is they're pretty much open-carry-only holsters. They sit too low and too far from the body to be easily concealed, which is my mode of carry 90% of the time. But in the Atlanta heat, sometimes if I'm walking the dog or whatever, I don't want to wear a cover garment. The Bianchi CarryLok rides high and tight like a decent concealed rig should, has rock-solid retention, and doesn't have the "dirt/grit" lockup problems of the serpa. I'm not a huge fan of the release action but nothing's perfect. Look at the GLS video I just posted. Hmm, that looks pretty nice, actually. I might have to look into these. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:42:49 AM EDT
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Hmm, that looks pretty nice, actually. I might have to look into these. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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My problem with the Safariland holsters is they're pretty much open-carry-only holsters. They sit too low and too far from the body to be easily concealed, which is my mode of carry 90% of the time. But in the Atlanta heat, sometimes if I'm walking the dog or whatever, I don't want to wear a cover garment. The Bianchi CarryLok rides high and tight like a decent concealed rig should, has rock-solid retention, and doesn't have the "dirt/grit" lockup problems of the serpa. I'm not a huge fan of the release action but nothing's perfect. Look at the GLS video I just posted. Hmm, that looks pretty nice, actually. I might have to look into these. Yes, yes it does. 
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Posted: 4/20/2014 8:53:51 AM EDT
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theyre good holsters! just because tex grebner, tex grebner outdoors shot his leg you hate? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I almost never OC, but if I did, what should I use instead of Serpa that's not a thumb-break retention strap? You should not worry about what a random blogger guy on the internet says you should or shouldn't use. Yeah, fuck those guys. SERPA ALL THE WAY! theyre good holsters! just because tex grebner, tex grebner outdoors shot his leg you hate? More because when I had one it ripped of the belt loop when I caught it on my seatbelt. If it's that easy to fail, it's junk. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 9:25:38 AM EDT
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Amazon doesn't have the GLS yet but Holsters.com has them for $46.50. I'm probably going to order one at the end of the month.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:29:22 PM EDT
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No, as I said earlier in the thread, nearly every time I see an OC guy in my AO, it's XD/SERPA. Of course, I did miss the guy in my AO OCing on his Segway but OC is never about attention seeking.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And everyone should do what you like because? I don't really care, dude. Just noticing a trend. A trend huh? Read one post on some board and it's a trend? 
No, as I said earlier in the thread, nearly every time I see an OC guy in my AO, it's XD/SERPA. Of course, I did miss the guy in my AO OCing on his Segway but OC is never about attention seeking.... Okay, you see one guy.....................not a trend.
It mostly about a choice, not "attention seeking". I notice that you, like many others, are all about "choice" unless you don't like it.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:32:13 PM EDT
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Working at a gun store, I would say 80%+ of all open carry folks use the shitty nylon Uncle Miles or Bulldog one size fits all holster. Some choad was OC'ing a Beretta 92 with a 20 round mag in it, and he had to keep putting the holster back in position since he was using the clip attachment to his shorts. Most retarded one was a fat fuck wearing a war belt, with six double mag pouches, a drop leg with 3x33 round mags, and a Serpa drop leg containing a Glock that had been raped by a wood burner. To top it off he had a 33 round mag in the gun and was banging it on everything. I would say you are wrong. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:33:22 PM EDT
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I always associate open carriers with S&W Sigmas and Ruger auto loaders. And if you ask, they'll swear they're better than 90% of anything else on the market. Fuckin' love to hear that shit. Oh please, tell us how Ruger autoloaders don't work every fucking time. Oh, you "ASSociate" huh. Aren't you speshul.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:36:10 PM EDT
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I almost never OC, but if I did, what should I use instead of Serpa that's not a thumb-break retention strap? You should not worry about what a random blogger guy on the internet says you should or shouldn't use. Yeah, fuck those guys. SERPA ALL THE WAY! BEHOLD THE POWER OF MARKETING OVER DESIGN!!!!!! Glock? |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:44:10 PM EDT
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LarryG is upset.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:47:00 PM EDT
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Saw a neckbeard* OC guy the other day at Walmart. He had his whole brood with him. He was strutting around like he was the baddest 130 pound 5' 7" guy in the world. He had a Sig in a right hand holster on his left hip, with his car keys and a bunch of other shit hanging off the holster. I had to nudge the wife and point out the fashion faux pas.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:48:48 PM EDT
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LarryG is upset. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No ma'am, you haven't seen me upset. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 12:59:53 PM EDT
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LarryG is upset. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No ma'am, you haven't seen me upset. Ok, just offended. Settle down, ma'am. They're just inanimate objects. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:12:30 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/20/2014 1:58:28 PM EDT
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gunsite recommends against them banned by Todd Green Jeff Gonzales bans serpa Kyle Defoor: "Whoever chose this piece of shit to be issued to anyone- you're an inexperienced pistol shooter who has no common sense. Hope you got a decent kickback from Blackhawk." john mcphee bans them national park service bans serpa for it's officers. paul howe thinks they suck (I've heard this from the horse's mouth btw) mike pannone bans the serpa That's a fair chunk of the training community. Quote HistoryQuoted:
gunsite recommends against them banned by Todd Green Jeff Gonzales bans serpa Kyle Defoor: "Whoever chose this piece of shit to be issued to anyone- you're an inexperienced pistol shooter who has no common sense. Hope you got a decent kickback from Blackhawk." john mcphee bans them national park service bans serpa for it's officers. paul howe thinks they suck (I've heard this from the horse's mouth btw) mike pannone bans the serpa That's a fair chunk of the training community. Every time this subject comes up I'm always amazed to see MORE names of big-time trainers that recommend against them our OUTRIGHT BAN THEM. USAF SF discontinues use of Sepa in favor of Safariland Also, according to Warrior Talk Compilation Thread DOE bans them Grey Group Training bans them Wilson Tactical bans them Ken Hackathorne (Hasn't banned them, but has seen multiple NDs and recommends against them) The thread is also a MASSIVE compilation of personal testimonies as to the failures of Serpas by cops and mil. What about the Light Fighter Compilation Thread? Norwegian Military Okanogan County Sheriff's Dept That there's not several stickied threads on multiple internet forums frequented by professional end-users with lists and testimonies regarding the G-Code and Safariland holsters is A CLUE. But let's get emotionally attached to a $40 piece of plastic that has had massive potentially life-altering issues with a large variety of agencies and training groups.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 2:27:19 PM EDT
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XD's are a no go for serious use--the inability to retract the slide without engaging the grip safety makes one-hand injured operation very difficult with the XD So what's the scenario here? If you can grasp the pistol with one hand you can rack the slide on your holster, the curb, a desk, your shoe, or whatever. If you can't grasp the pistol you're not going to be shooting an XD, or for that matter a 1911, either. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 3:05:22 PM EDT
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But let's get emotionally attached to a $40 piece of plastic that has had massive potentially life-altering issues with a large variety of agencies and training groups. Yup. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 3:12:31 PM EDT
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Which Loomis branch do you work for?
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Glock 17 with 124gr Federal HST riding in a Safariland 6360 Level III..... For work.
http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p351/CotyReinau/IMAG0220_zps9s2ysxbc.jpg ETA: On a high ride adapter. Fuck the UBL. ETA2: Where I work 99% of the guys run a Serpa, makes me worry a bit. Which Loomis branch do you work for?
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Posted: 4/20/2014 3:29:48 PM EDT
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Glock 17 with 124gr Federal HST riding in a Safariland 6360 Level III..... For work.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 3:35:43 PM EDT
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Glock 17 with 124gr Federal HST riding in a Safariland 6360 Level III..... For work.
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Posted: 4/20/2014 4:59:47 PM EDT
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Ok, just offended. Settle down, ma'am. They're just inanimate objects. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:11:56 PM EDT
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I'm all messed up then. I was only open carrying a PSP in a custom high ride leather holster. Guess I need to sell it n buy a 17 & some kydex ;)
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Posted: 4/20/2014 5:30:47 PM EDT
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Not offended at all. Just recognize bullshit when I see it. I guess your "ma'am" comeback somehow makes you clever. Nope, just like your other posts in this thread. Being unwillingly to let others carry how they choose without your nonsense is just a lot of hot air. YOU are the one who started this whiny crap about the inanimate objects that other people use. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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LarryG is upset. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile No ma'am, you haven't seen me upset. Ok, just offended. Settle down, ma'am. They're just inanimate objects. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not offended at all. Just recognize bullshit when I see it. I guess your "ma'am" comeback somehow makes you clever. Nope, just like your other posts in this thread. Being unwillingly to let others carry how they choose without your nonsense is just a lot of hot air. YOU are the one who started this whiny crap about the inanimate objects that other people use. On second thought, never mind. You carry whatever you like and I'll continue to discuss inferior gear on a discussion forum. If you don't like the part where folks bring up facts, then feel free to present a different viewpoint using facts of your own. |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 6:32:04 PM EDT
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Glock 17 with 124gr Federal HST riding in a Safariland 6360 Level III..... For work.
http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p351/CotyReinau/IMAG0220_zps9s2ysxbc.jpg ETA: On a high ride adapter. Fuck the UBL. ETA2: Where I work 99% of the guys run a Serpa, makes me worry a bit. Sitting on the seatbelt? |
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Posted: 4/20/2014 11:43:54 PM EDT
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http://i344.photobucket.com/albums/p351/CotyReinau/IMAG0220_zps9s2ysxbc.jpg ETA: On a high ride adapter. Fuck the UBL. ETA2: Where I work 99% of the guys run a Serpa, makes me worry a bit. Sitting on the seatbelt? It kinda looks like that but no. We have things to lock them out so they aren't tight all day, so it was locked out a few inches which makes it look that way. They let go if you pull the belt out further so if you like got into an accident it will still hold your ass in. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 4:41:52 AM EDT
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W00t! Got a Safariland GLS en route for review from a hook up.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 4:51:50 AM EDT
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Oklahoma has had an "open carry" law for over a year now...and I STILL haven't seen anyone open carrying yet. I asked my neighbor, a 20+year police supervisor, and he said that HE hasn't seen or even received a report from any of his officers of an open carry yet.
We all pretty much believe in OPSEC around here. We're just relieved that we can reach for our wallets in a convenience store without having to worry that some passive-aggressive, left-wing, looney-tunes will scream "he's got a gun! he's got a gun!" or the other old standby "concealed means CONCEALED!" just to harass you for carrying concealed. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:03:54 AM EDT
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In northern Va the standard open carrier is usually a pasty, overweight white guy with a POS black nylon holster or a fobus and either a Glock or an XD. Usually, they are wearing some sort of BDUs and two extra mags. I like to ignore the attention whores myself, but hey thats just me. Hey, I think I've seen this guy  
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:16:50 AM EDT
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I almost never OC, but if I did, what should I use instead of Serpa that's not a thumb-break retention strap? You should not worry about what a random blogger guy on the internet says you should or shouldn't use. Yeah, fuck those guys. SERPA ALL THE WAY! Yeah, not good about the Marines using them. Just because my beloved Corps uses something does NOT make it good gear (See the MOLLE fiasco). Some units have gotten away from the Serpa though. When I deployed my entire organization carried pistols and we were all issued Safariland. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:20:42 AM EDT
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Some units have gotten away from the Serpa though. When I deployed my entire organization carried pistols and we were all issued Safariland. Can you say what unit? Good to hear by the way. Did you see many SERPAs break before this deployment? |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:34:38 AM EDT
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Glock 17 with 124gr Federal HST riding in a Safariland 6360 Level III..... For work.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:50:49 AM EDT
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Some units have gotten away from the Serpa though. When I deployed my entire organization carried pistols and we were all issued Safariland. Can you say what unit? Good to hear by the way. Did you see many SERPAs break before this deployment? Before I left I've never seen a Serpa break, but I had seen three that got too much sand and crud in the trigger mechanism and had failures to draw. The Serpa is garbage due to the locking device and the hazard it presents to poorly trained troops. Sadly enough, the herp derp is super strong even in the Corps and by the end of the tour over half of the organization had switched out their free perfectly fine Safarilands with Serpas because those were apparently cooler. We even had a few SNCOS using those black uncle mike buckle shitty ones. Some people you just can't help. |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:51:53 AM EDT
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Glock 17 with 124gr Federal HST riding in a Safariland 6360 Level III..... For work.
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:53:32 AM EDT
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Huh, I always spot them from the unconcealed gun on their hip. Wait, over the internet? I don't know, magic probably Just like vegans, they'll tell you. Crossfit is awesome! |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 5:59:40 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:00:21 AM EDT
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Before I left I've never seen a Serpa break, but I had seen three that got too much sand and crud in the trigger mechanism and had failures to draw. The Serpa is garbage due to the locking device and the hazard it presents to poorly trained troops. Sadly enough, the herp derp is super strong even in the Corps and by the end of the tour over half of the organization had switched out their free perfectly fine Safarilands with Serpas because those were apparently cooler. We even had a few SNCOS using those black uncle mike buckle shitty ones. Some people you just can't help. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Some units have gotten away from the Serpa though. When I deployed my entire organization carried pistols and we were all issued Safariland. Can you say what unit? Good to hear by the way. Did you see many SERPAs break before this deployment? Before I left I've never seen a Serpa break, but I had seen three that got too much sand and crud in the trigger mechanism and had failures to draw. The Serpa is garbage due to the locking device and the hazard it presents to poorly trained troops. Sadly enough, the herp derp is super strong even in the Corps and by the end of the tour over half of the organization had switched out their free perfectly fine Safarilands with Serpas because those were apparently cooler. We even had a few SNCOS using those black uncle mike buckle shitty ones. Some people you just can't help. Especially some SNCOs Thanks for the depressing report.
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Because I can snap that gun off that piece of shit holster faster than you can blink? If you stick your chin out all the time, don't be surprised when someone plays a little chin music for you. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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And everyone should do what you like because? Because I can snap that gun off that piece of shit holster faster than you can blink? If you stick your chin out all the time, don't be surprised when someone plays a little chin music for you. I use to use a serpa until I saw this very thing happen in a weapon retention training. Now I use nothing but Safariland on duty |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:02:49 AM EDT
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I'm all messed up then. I was only open carrying a PSP in a custom high ride leather holster. Guess I need to sell it n buy a 17 & some kydex ;) That's what I'm figuring. I have an XD and a leather holster I wet formed for the first level of retention, have a strap that goes around the grip for a second, and looking up how to boil leather or if I should go with a plastic for a third retention level above the slide (sorry, don't know the technical name, I just try and make what works). |
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:06:37 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/21/2014 6:46:07 AM EDT
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And everyone should do what you like because? Because I can snap that gun off that piece of shit holster faster than you can blink? If you stick your chin out all the time, don't be surprised when someone plays a little chin music for you. I use to use a serpa until I saw this very thing happen in a weapon retention training. Now I use nothing but Safariland on duty Trend in this thread..... I got rid of my personally owned Serpas too. Now I use molded kydex or an IWB hybrid off duty. Serpas are shit |
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