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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:46:08 AM EDT
http://townhall.com/tipsheet/katiepavlich/2014/04/16/kickstarter-has-history-of-censoring-prolife-projects-n1824854
After Censoring Gosnell Movie, Kickstarter Rejects Another Pro-Life ProjectBut it seems the Gosnell Movie isn't the only pro-life project either rejected or censored by Kickstarter. Just a few short days after McElhiney and McAleer moved their film to Indiegogo another pro-life project was rejected by the company. Full story at link above. ETA: after several comments I will say it here I nor no one else I have seen is advocating government involvement to insure "equality". It is their company and can do what they want but they espouse that they are A-political yet are not. As consumers we have the right to boycott and notify other consumers of such faults. |
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yup. heard about this a couple weeks ago when the couple were making the radio talk show rounds. They also made Frac Nation. Totally shows that Gasland is BS.
Anyway, typical lefty. Freedom of speech and tolerance. As long as i like it. |
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Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service
Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor
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Quoted: yup. heard about this a couple weeks ago when the couple were making the radio talk show rounds. They also made Frac Nation. Totally shows that Gasland is BS. Anyway, typical lefty. Freedom of speech and tolerance. As long as i like it. View Quote Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed
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Quoted: Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service View Quote Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor Also Whats your problem with people letting others know their leftist ties. It is their business but consumers can tell other consumers about bullcrap tactics and policies.
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Quoted: Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor Also Whats your problem with people letting others know their leftist ties. It is their business but consumers can tell other consumers about bullcrap tactics and policies. "Kickstarter argued the description of the film submitted to the website, specifically the wording "pledge because of 1000s of babies stabbed to death," needed to be altered in order to comply with community standards." "Kickstarter CEO Yancey Strickler denies censoring Gosnell Movie and said the company was simply asking for compliance with community guidelines." Putting "1000s of babies stabbed to death" is some pretty inflammatory description for your pitch and Kickstarter deemed it against their guidelines. We'll never know if Kickstarter was hiding behind their policy as some kind of leftist agenda since the people immediately got on their crosses and started screaming "censorship!" without trying to comply. Smart move on their part, they're getting the attention (money) they wanted on their Indiegogo fund. They're basically targeting their demographic for money now instead of just letting it marinate on Kickstarter ETA: I noticed "1000s of babies stabbed to death" is changed to "In a 30 year killing spree, it is thought he killed 1000s of babies" on the Indiegogo pitch. Most curious huh? |
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Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor View Quote This tactic is working out pretty well for the LGBT community. Turn about is fair play IMO. |
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Quoted: View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Except Kickstarter has stated that they are non political. except they allow tons on leftist agenda projects. If you claim one thing but do the other expect criticism. Quoted: Quoted: Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor Also Whats your problem with people letting others know their leftist ties. It is their business but consumers can tell other consumers about bullcrap tactics and policies. "Kickstarter argued the description of the film submitted to the website, specifically the wording "pledge because of 1000s of babies stabbed to death," needed to be altered in order to comply with community standards." "Kickstarter CEO Yancey Strickler denies censoring Gosnell Movie and said the company was simply asking for compliance with community guidelines." Putting "1000s of babies stabbed to death" is some pretty inflammatory description for your pitch and Kickstarter deemed it against their guidelines. We'll never know if Kickstarter was hiding behind their policy as some kind of leftist agenda since the people immediately got on their crosses and started screaming "censorship!" without trying to comply. Smart move on their part, they're getting the attention (money) they wanted on their Indiegogo fund. They're basically targeting their demographic for money now instead of just letting it marinate on Kickstarter ETA: I noticed "1000s of babies stabbed to death" is changed to "In a 30 year killing spree, it is thought he killed 1000s of babies" on the Indiegogo pitch. Most curious huh? ETA: No where did I say they need the Feds or any government agency to step in. What am I doing that is negative by letting others know. |
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Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor View Quote Wait, so bakers and photographers and diners shouldn't be forced to do business with customers they disagree with/object to? |
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Quoted: Wait, so bakers and photographers and diners shouldn't be forced to do business with customers they disagree with/object to? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor Wait, so bakers and photographers and diners shouldn't be forced to do business with customers they disagree with/object to? |
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Quoted: Wait, so bakers and photographers and diners shouldn't be forced to do business with customers they disagree with/object to? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor Wait, so bakers and photographers and diners shouldn't be forced to do business with customers they disagree with/object to? I'm positive he will be strangely silent on that matter. |
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Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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yup. heard about this a couple weeks ago when the couple were making the radio talk show rounds. They also made Frac Nation. Totally shows that Gasland is BS. Anyway, typical lefty. Freedom of speech and tolerance. As long as i like it. Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed So wait....was the bakery that was forced by a judge to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding a "government bakery" then? |
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Don't forget Antigun IndieGoGo too. Both of them can (COC Violation)
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Quoted: So wait....was the bakery that was forced by a judge to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding a "government bakery" then? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: yup. heard about this a couple weeks ago when the couple were making the radio talk show rounds. They also made Frac Nation. Totally shows that Gasland is BS. Anyway, typical lefty. Freedom of speech and tolerance. As long as i like it. Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed So wait....was the bakery that was forced by a judge to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding a "government bakery" then? I must have missed the cake thread. If the jist of it was the government forced them to serve a particular customer I disagree with that ruling. No one should tell a private entity how to conduct their own business, if you don't like it go somewhere else which is the core of my argument in this thread. I did liked the string of logic that if I find something to be worded inflammatory then I must agree with it Thats brilliant
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Have I missed the part where someone here was calling for government intervention? Yes, their company their rules. Complaints and public opinion make them change those rules. Rumor has it - getting the word out helps people know what companies to support, boycott, whatever. That's all this is. Where is the supposed hypocrisy some of you are calling out? |
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Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor View Quote 80% of the population of the US has no idea what they are missing. |
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Honestly, with how that was worded.....I'd probably have booted it too. I don't play with extremism. If you want to make a pro-life film, go ahead, but you don't need to go all militant.
It's just like the guys who show up to college campuses with a 2 story, 4 sided box that has images of dead babies all over it......it's one thing to have a message. It's a whole other thing to go derp with it. They derped, and the people who submitted this film derped big time. Be couth, or expect people to get PO'd about things you did, not your message (which is the intent). I ripped the guys with the 2 story box of gore a new one for what they did for a good 10 mins, and I take the same position with this. Get rid of the extreme language, images, and all that shit....and I bet your message would come across better. |
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Their business, their rules.
Their money, their rules. Thinking that you're entitled to their money is bullshit. Don't like that you got denied? Suck it up and fund your own damn movie. sounds like Kickstarter was exercising their 1st amendment freedoms. |
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Good for them. Crowdsourcing should only apply to affirmation, intersectional projects that provide a safe space to LGBT*QAIA and POC like C+=: https://github.com/Feminist-Software-Foundation/C-plus-Equality
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I must have missed the cake thread. If the jist of it was the government forced them to serve a particular customer I disagree with that ruling. No one should tell a private entity how to conduct their own business, if you don't like it go somewhere else which is the core of my argument in this thread. I did liked the string of logic that if I find something to be worded inflammatory then I must agree with it Thats brilliant View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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yup. heard about this a couple weeks ago when the couple were making the radio talk show rounds. They also made Frac Nation. Totally shows that Gasland is BS. Anyway, typical lefty. Freedom of speech and tolerance. As long as i like it. Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed So wait....was the bakery that was forced by a judge to bake a cake for a homosexual wedding a "government bakery" then? I must have missed the cake thread. If the jist of it was the government forced them to serve a particular customer I disagree with that ruling. No one should tell a private entity how to conduct their own business, if you don't like it go somewhere else which is the core of my argument in this thread. I did liked the string of logic that if I find something to be worded inflammatory then I must agree with it Thats brilliant Don't forget the wedding photographer that was forced by the New Mexico Supreme Court to pay $7000 to a gay couple for declining to photograph their same sex marriage. They were told by the court that surrendering their freedom is 'the price of citizenship.' |
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Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them they would be condemned by the media and investigated by the DOJ. Freedom as long as I like it indeed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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yup. heard about this a couple weeks ago when the couple were making the radio talk show rounds. They also made Frac Nation. Totally shows that Gasland is BS. Anyway, typical lefty. Freedom of speech and tolerance. As long as i like it. Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them they would be condemned by the media and investigated by the DOJ. Freedom as long as I like it indeed FIFY |
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Quoted: Honestly, with how that was worded.....I'd probably have booted it too. I don't play with extremism. If you want to make a pro-life film, go ahead, but you don't need to go all militant. View Quote Exactly the point. Kickstarter asked them to change it. They refused, cried "Discrimination!", and declared Kickstarter a baby-killing communist lefty. They claim Kickstarter also discriminated against other pro-life projects but there is no links or evidence listed in the article But drama and press is good way to fund your movie, very clever |
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Quoted: But you must bake anatomically correct cock and ball cakes for gay weddings. Because the law. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Their company their rules... This. You guys love this rule. If you'd still like my services, you are welcome to wait. I require a 50% non-refundable deposit when you place your order." |
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Indigogo is NO better.
I was responsible (in a way) for them actually POSTING their anti-gun policy I signed up when developing a mag, they had NO POSTED policy about firearm parts or accessories, only actual firearms, About 4 weeks in they locked it up, no notice to me. THEN They stated they would KEEP the contributors $$ for up to 6-8 weeks AFTER the scheduled end of the fund raising , "to invesitgate" I raised all kinds of heck , they did refund within a week. I kinda suspected all those places were commie hippies. |
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Quoted: "Those cost $1,200, and I am backlogged for 18 months. If you'd still like my services, you are welcome to wait. I require a 50% non-refundable deposit when you place your order." View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Their company their rules... This. You guys love this rule. If you'd still like my services, you are welcome to wait. I require a 50% non-refundable deposit when you place your order." "Ooh, yeah, my main camera shit the bed yesterday. Can I do it on this disposable?"
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Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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yup. heard about this a couple weeks ago when the couple were making the radio talk show rounds. They also made Frac Nation. Totally shows that Gasland is BS. Anyway, typical lefty. Freedom of speech and tolerance. As long as i like it. Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed But if I have a cake store I can't refuse service to a gay couple? |
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They're all at least psuedo leftist in nature. That being said, their company their rules.
I have a Kickstarter running atm that is slightly related to things we're interested in that was approved by them. And I have seen several others that are at least on the periphery of the Second Amendment and firearms loving world, granted they rarely get funded. Go search some keywords and you'll see several projects, at least old unfunded ones. |
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Indigogo is NO better. I was responsible (in a way) for them actually POSTING their anti-gun policy I signed up when developing a mag, they had NO POSTED policy about firearm parts or accessories, only actual firearms, About 4 weeks in they locked it up, no notice to me. THEN They stated they would KEEP the contributors $$ for up to 6-8 weeks AFTER the scheduled end of the fund raising , "to invesitgate" I raised all kinds of heck , they did refund within a week. I kinda suspected all those places were commie hippies. View Quote We should talk. They CRUSHED my project after I signed on with them and had raised $50K - because I had firearms ACCESSORIES in my rewards packages. No knives or weapons - flashlights and optics (including binoculars). This was clearly okay according to their terms, but they stood their ground. They seized 12% of my funds raised because I failed to hit my targets (go figure), and I seriously considered pursuing it. I would be interested if our projects happened around the same time. It's one thing if we both hit them when they were adjusting their policy. It's another if they intentionally left it vague - and seized funds over a broad period of time. Here's a nice article about ‘Lights Out Saga’ Faces Funding Hurdles Over Gun Company Sponsorship |
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This tactic is working out pretty well for the LGBT community. Turn about is fair play IMO. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Its their company and they have the right to help fund the projects they want. Don't like it? Don't use their service Whats the alternative, have the government force them to help fund projects they don't agree with? People only like freedom when it works out in their favor This tactic is working out pretty well for the LGBT community. Turn about is fair play IMO. My first thought. |
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It's the Communist way. View Quote I've dealt with the pro-life crowd in the past, particularly back when I owned a laundromat that had a bulletin board. They put up pictures of mangled fetuses on the board. I appreciate the cause, but this is not the kind of thing I want to decorate my business. It took threats to make them stop, too. I'd have to see the true version of what they said, not the version they sanitized for townhall.com. Plenty of pro-lifers are shitheads, too. |
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Have I missed the part where someone here was calling for government intervention? Yes, their company their rules. Complaints and public opinion make them change those rules. Rumor has it - getting the word out helps people know what companies to support, boycott, whatever. That's all this is. Where is the supposed hypocrisy some of you are calling out? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Their company their rules... This. You guys love this rule. Have I missed the part where someone here was calling for government intervention? Yes, their company their rules. Complaints and public opinion make them change those rules. Rumor has it - getting the word out helps people know what companies to support, boycott, whatever. That's all this is. Where is the supposed hypocrisy some of you are calling out? This. Jesus Christ some of you just don't get it. |
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Yet, the government steps in when a private company refuses service to a gay person or leftist interest, it is only legal to refuse service to a conservative.
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Yet, the government steps in when a private company refuses service to a gay person or leftist interest, it is only legal to refuse service to a conservative. View Quote Oh please. One damn story about a stupid fucking cake gets brought up every single time one of these threads comes up... |
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Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
Kickstarter isn't a government entity therefore you have no rights to their service. If there was a conservative crowdfunding company that denied abortionist documentaries everyone here would applaud them. Freedom as long as I like it indeed Although I don't like that Kickstarter didn't fund the project, this is a good point. And since I saw it mentioned... I don't think the photographer should have been punished. Quoted:
This tactic is working out pretty well for the LGBT community. Turn about is fair play IMO. That is a good point. I think it's time we stopped giving in to tactics like that. Let free market decide, no? |
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How exactly is their exercising their 1st Amendment rights of Freedom of Association equate to communism, exactly? I been thinkin about this all morning and still don't see it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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It's the Communist way. How exactly is their exercising their 1st Amendment rights of Freedom of Association equate to communism, exactly? I been thinkin about this all morning and still don't see it. They're absolutely free to not do business with people they don't want to do business with. Unfortunately many on the "progressive" side of things don't feel the same way about, say, someone who doesn't want to do photos for a gay wedding. |
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Quoted: How exactly is their exercising their 1st Amendment rights of Freedom of Association equate to communism, exactly? I been thinkin about this all morning and still don't see it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It's the Communist way. How exactly is their exercising their 1st Amendment rights of Freedom of Association equate to communism, exactly? I been thinkin about this all morning and still don't see it. That hypocrisy is the Communist way. |
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Quoted: I've dealt with the pro-life crowd in the past, particularly back when I owned a laundromat that had a bulletin board. They put up pictures of mangled fetuses on the board. I appreciate the cause, but this is not the kind of thing I want to decorate my business. It took threats to make them stop, too. I'd have to see the true version of what they said, not the version they sanitized for townhall.com. Plenty of pro-lifers are shitheads, too. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: It's the Communist way. I've dealt with the pro-life crowd in the past, particularly back when I owned a laundromat that had a bulletin board. They put up pictures of mangled fetuses on the board. I appreciate the cause, but this is not the kind of thing I want to decorate my business. It took threats to make them stop, too. I'd have to see the true version of what they said, not the version they sanitized for townhall.com. Plenty of pro-lifers are shitheads, too. |
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someone needs to look up the definition of 'censorship'.
and probably 'capitalism' while you're at it.
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someone needs to look up the definition of 'censorship'. and probably 'capitalism' while you're at it. View Quote Censorship isn't applicable to private businesses - with some exceptions (EEO, for example). Papers can choose not to print your story. Photographers should be able to choose their clients. Kickstarter can choose not to have projects that involve firearms (while making a killing off action & adventure movies, but I digress). The conversation changes when it becomes the government - whether intervention or them censoring content. I don't think that's what this conversation is about though. Capitalism? They have the right to do that, and I have the right not to spend my money with them. Kickstarter and IndieGoGo WILL lose money from me (probably $20K to $50K) because of their anti-freedom stances. So be it. I'm not following who you think needs to look up definitions? |
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Yet, the government steps in when a private company refuses service to a gay person or leftist interest, it is only legal to refuse service to a conservative. Oh please. One damn story about a stupid fucking cake gets brought up every single time one of these threads comes up... http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2013/08/22/New-Mexico-Court-Christian-Photographer-Cannot-Refuse-Gay-Marriage-Ceremony-Next-Stop-U-S-Supreme-Court The US Supreme Court has refused to hear this case. |
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Quoted: someone needs to look up the definition of 'censorship'. View Quote and probably 'capitalism' while you're at it. Once again capitalism allows consumers to judge products and share their experiences with others. I am judging the Product of Kickstarter and their so called values that they espouse. It is no different than letting other gun owners no about Dicks sporting goods betrayal and buckling to leftists. The left will boycott those they disagree with which is their right as long as they do not get the government involved. Yet we have people on here who will talk others down for raising concerns about leftist companies that act contrary to conservative ideas.
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Their business, their rules. Their money, their rules. Thinking that you're entitled to their money is bullshit. Don't like that you got denied? Suck it up and fund your own damn movie. sounds like Kickstarter was exercising their 1st amendment freedoms. View Quote Exactly so, and now the good people of Arfcom are exercising their first amendment rights to call them hypocrites and leftists. You see how that works, or do I need to use smaller words? |
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