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In what scenarios would you possibly need them, where it's dark enough to use, and the threat is far enough away to need sights - where it's safe to send rounds down range... Humor me. (Hidden agenda: I really want to put a fiber optic front on my CCW - T 'effing' Os aren't an option. ) View Quote So, your brilliant plan is to not use your sights, if possible... |
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Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Am I the first when I say, lasers are Taurus Judge is the only obvious answer here? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Am I the first when I say, lasers are Taurus Judge is the only obvious answer here? FIFY. This problem can be easily solved by using a weapon that does not require aiming. |
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These are the threads that truly shine light on the untrained and inexperienced. lol So much fun
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I remember when Arfcom had good, informative threads on things like this. These days it's just 13'rs engaged in shit stirring.
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seriously.. hopefully you have trained enough to just point and shoot.. i highly doubt one will have the time to get a perfect sight picture with your high tech night sights.
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In a real deal self defense gunfight, I doubt many people would even look at the damn sights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes |
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I dont know, someone in home , holding my child.........need clean head shot, why not sights. does the weight bother you?
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I remember when Arfcom had good, informative threads on things like this. These days it's just 13'rs engaged in shit stirring. View Quote My memory doesn't go as far back as yours, but IIRC; GD has always been #1 for news AND ENTERTAINMENT. A veteran of the forum should know why there are technical sub forums here. |
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you might have some time then to look down your sights
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Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them. In a real deal self defense gunfight, I doubt many people would even look at the damn sights. What if you had a guy yelling "I'm going to rape you!" from 35 yards away carrying a broadsword? |
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No kidding! That puts you back with technology that I grew up with. In fact, technology that every one used for centuries. Strangely enough, good sights on pistols only occurred in my lifetime. Colt Gov't model pistols that I bought in the early 1980s came with dinky sights. Well, obviously there were decent sights on pistols before then, but you had to pay for the priviledge, they weren't common place and they definitely weren't production. I can remember night sights being advertised in the American Rifleman back in the 1930s. Not too practical, they required batteries carried on the belt. Not that I remember those sights from the .30s. I remember reading about them in later decades. Don't want to confuse any one about my age. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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While night sights are nice, I recommend you learn to live without them. Protip: When the tritium dies the metal body of the sight does not, in fact, melt away like icecream. They can, and do, still function as sights for aligning the weapon. No kidding! That puts you back with technology that I grew up with. In fact, technology that every one used for centuries. Strangely enough, good sights on pistols only occurred in my lifetime. Colt Gov't model pistols that I bought in the early 1980s came with dinky sights. Well, obviously there were decent sights on pistols before then, but you had to pay for the priviledge, they weren't common place and they definitely weren't production. I can remember night sights being advertised in the American Rifleman back in the 1930s. Not too practical, they required batteries carried on the belt. Not that I remember those sights from the .30s. I remember reading about them in later decades. Don't want to confuse any one about my age. Pre Alzheimer's sucks. Looks like one of my posts. When the tritium vials die in the sights, you can replace them. Google is your friend. I have used night sights long enough to see them fade and die. I also have old eyes. All my pistols have them, except the 22/45, and the PA63. Uniformity of sight picture from pistol to pistol is a good thing, and I get that with night sights installed. I will continue to use them, they are an advantage to me. |
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This And my Trijicons stand out way better than the factory glock sights when Im using them with my TLR-1 in low light conditions. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them. This And my Trijicons stand out way better than the factory glock sights when Im using them with my TLR-1 in low light conditions. This, and you shine your light on the target, not your sights. Try shooting in low light and see which is faster. |
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How many times have you actually tried to use a handgun in conditions of low light in a real structure? Edit - This thread is ate the fuck up with derp. Jesus H.... View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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In what scenarios would you possibly need them, where it's dark enough to use, and the threat is far enough away to need sights - where it's safe to send rounds down range... How many times have you actually tried to use a handgun in conditions of low light in a real structure? Edit - This thread is ate the fuck up with derp. Jesus H.... Oh, come on! You knew damn well when you clicked on this thread it would make your brain hurt. |
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if you are correct and they are not needed, what's the harm in having them?
on the other hand, if you are wrong and they are needed.... seems like a very simple decision. I think they would be useful in a movie theater if someone begins shooting people...not that that would ever happen |
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In a real deal self defense gunfight, I doubt many people would even look at the damn sights. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them. In a real deal self defense gunfight, I doubt many people would even look at the damn sights. B-I-N-G-O- |
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Even at night, sights on a pistol are still useful if you have to rack the slide one handed against a belt or a shoe.
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The comments about not using sights in defensive shootings are ridiculous.
Use as much or little sight information as you need to make a hit relative to the distance you are shooting. This goes all the way from point shooting at close ranges to slide index, to front sight index, to soft sight picture, to hard sight picture. If you are well trained and practice and have reached the state unconscious competence, you will not consciously see your sights but you will still use them. If you are consciously thinking about using your sights you haven't trained enough or you have time and space to make a more accurate shot at distance. If you are training for the most common occurrence; don't carry a gun at all. By carrying a gun and training to use deadly force you are preparing for an extremely unusual event. So rather than basing your carry plan and training around your optimized fantasy gun fight, train/prepare for it happening under the worst circumstances. |
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Honestly I wish people who proudly proclaimed "I don't even use the sights' would just sell their guns and go back to the Hitlerverse.
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DAMMIT IF ONLY I DIDN'T HAVE THESE LOW LIGHT SIGHTS ON MY PISTOL said no one ever.
Edited to Add: "HARHARHAR, NOW I IS GOIN TA RAPE YE WITH ME BROADSWORD!" |
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Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. |
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I have night sights, but I dont ever carry. My plan is to wet myself before being raped...
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Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. |
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I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. Your scenario might have some merit if your choices were restricted to a pistol or a rifle with a 20" barrel. ETA: You might want to get a nicer house if your hallway dimensions are similar to that of a NVA tunnel. |
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I actually prefer the stock sights on my G17, they just work for me. I did add a crimson trace for low light situations. I've tried other setups but this seems to be my favorite I keep going back to.
As far as "need", no one needs anything...it just comes down to preferences, comfort or whatever helps you become more proficient and most of freedom of choice. |
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Your scenario might have some merit if your choices were restricted to a pistol or a rifle with a 20" barrel. ETA: You might want to get a nicer house if your hallway dimensions are similar to that of a NVA tunnel. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. Your scenario might have some merit if your choices were restricted to a pistol or a rifle with a 20" barrel. ETA: You might want to get a nicer house if your hallway dimensions are similar to that of a NVA tunnel. Pistols absolutely, positively suck. They only exist for those moments when it is literally impossible to have a long gun, or your long gun no longer functions. They are piss poor weapons and their only redeeming quality is ease of carry, not use. I would gladly take a 20" A1/A2/A4 over a pistol in a home defense scenario. Shorter barrels are nice at times, but not required. Pistols suck, always. |
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Tex: I fear to continue discussing long gun v. handgun roles in self defense situations threatens to derail yet another valuable and concise technical discussion in GD. For the sake of this thread and in a broader sense, the community as a whole, I will refrain from acknowledging your interesting opinion any further in this informative thread...
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Quoted: I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. |
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You live in a series of underground tunnels? View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. what round for c.h.u.d.s? and sights aren't needed in a self defense scenario? that's just a whole lot of WTF... |
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In what scenarios would you possibly need them, where it's dark enough to use, and the threat is far enough away to need sights - where it's safe to send rounds down range... Humor me. (Hidden agenda: I really want to put a fiber optic front on my CCW - T 'effing' Os aren't an option. ) View Quote I've seen numerous people miss very short range shots in shoot houses and on the range under pressure. Ask them what thier sight picture was and they get all embarrassed and say something to the effect of "sorry guns, I got amped up and didn't use them for the short shots" Add in darkness and it gets interesting |
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I would strongly urge those who obviously don't know what they're talking about to go get some actual training and experience using firearms under low light, varying conditions.
Currently you are ,at best, less than as effective as you could/should be and at worst, a danger to yourself and others. |
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i have issues seeing in low light. even the dim glow of the sight in low light make an enormous difference for my eyes.
it's about speed of acquisition of the sight. not necessarily seeing a target. |
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Better to have them and not need them than need them and not have them. In a real deal self defense gunfight, I doubt many people would even look at the damn sights. What if you had a guy yelling "I'm going to rape you!" from 35 yards away carrying a broadsword? oh happy day! |
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The glowing kryptonite makes it easier to find your gun in a dark bedroom.
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Most self defense shootings do take place in poor light, but the majority also take place at arms length. If you are shooting at someone at 20 yards in a self defense situation with a pistol, you fucked up somewhere. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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OP, Have you EVER had low light shooting in a pistol class? Have you ever taken part in an IDPA low light shoot? Have you ever just walked around your house or yard at night and tried out a pistol that has night sights on it? Are you aware most self defense shootings take place in poor light? Do you know it is dark outside about half the time? Do you understand that some people live by themselves or with only one other person? Do you know that Nov. 2012 is very close to being a '13er? Most self defense shootings do take place in poor light, but the majority also take place at arms length. If you are shooting at someone at 20 yards in a self defense situation with a pistol, you fucked up somewhere. |
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Also, a handgun for home defense is retarded. The home is a realm for long guns. Yep. Just like a tunnel rat in Nam, eh slick? Congratulations, that may be one of the dumbest comparisons in the history of ever. Long gun > Hand gun. I compared a confined space to, well, a confined space. Sorry to have confused you. I'll continue to take the approach that one should use the right tool for the correct job. You can keep turning all your problems into nails. I won't confirm or deny that, but the tunnels would have to connect to mom's basement so I could connect to GD... |
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if you dont know the benefits you should not have a permit to carry. end it please.........
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