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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:58:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: divers can't even get into the boat since it rolled.. ..... I bet there's a few strong ones still alive right now as I type.... in the dark, cold and dank of dead and dying. pitch black with unfamiliar and upside down environment...... God that is just horrible |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:04:27 PM EDT
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How does the roll make escape impossible? Sure you might get fucked up in the tumble, but what's going on to prevent you from just walking on the walls? The utter lack of carpet. eta: granted it's controlled, but folks have been riding the flip ship for over 50years now 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:10:52 PM EDT
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The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's still floating Jim... Stay with the boat.. The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. Mythbusters did that one, and said no, it doesn't. but they didn't sink a boat that big. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:11:34 PM EDT
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Get out of your cabin and onto the deck.
Those big barrel looking things on deck are actually inflatable rafts. Be near one and figure out how to deploy it. Carry a small flashlight with you at all times. Both times I went on a cruise I had my little Streamlight in my pocket. Know how to swim. Don't go back for the rich chick you just met on the boat and don't give her your floating door. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:13:58 PM EDT
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divers can't even get into the boat since it rolled.. ..... I bet there's a few strong ones still alive right now as I type.... in the dark, cold and dank of dead and dying...decomp and breathing killing the O2 pitch black with unfamiliar and upside down environment...... Well, that guy off the coast of Africa survived for like 10 days in the sunken tug so technically it's possible some are alive. However, that's a shitty way to go |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:21:40 PM EDT
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I was a warm water sailor, if you go into the water without a raft the oceanic white tips will get you. Don't think your going to float without something taking a bite of you, even now, when I go fishing in the gulf, my biggest fear is being in the water without a boat and dealing with sharks.
If you go into the Atlantic you'll die of hypothermia and drowning forthwith. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:32:21 PM EDT
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Mythbusters did that one, and said no, it doesn't. but they didn't sink a boat that big. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's still floating Jim... Stay with the boat.. The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. Mythbusters did that one, and said no, it doesn't. but they didn't sink a boat that big. Yep, here's a linky: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSM_sXqVtGc |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:47:07 PM EDT
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I work offshore.
We're lightly trained for this type event. The crew on the vessel failed the passengers big time. The crew should have had the passengers At the muster points within 15 min of event start. As an individual, things to know. 1. Don't stay below deck or be very familiar with the egress route. Use it at the very first sign of distress or warning. 2. Find a life vest. 3. Follow crew advice. 4. If crew seem like idiiots, get to a point close to the water. 5. If a life raft is available, tie off the launch line and throw overboard. 6. Jump at the point where the vessels lists enough to put a prop out of water. 6. Get in life raft. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:50:16 PM EDT
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i am going to be the last person standing on the last little itty bit of the mast poking up as she sinks. when she goes she'll go slow enough and there is not enough "undertow" to pull you under. If you can swim AT ALL you are not going under by undertow. also, there is going to be a crap ton of floating debris to hang on to. I am not going in the water until I HAVE to.
water pulls heat off you at many times the speed of air and you're waaay better off out of the water. not to mention, unless it breaks up, there is a pretty good chance it'll just lay over and it's side or top and flow low in the water. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:25:31 AM EDT
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This, plus kill the other survivors and feed them to the sharks so you are saved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Get off before she rolls. Get away before the undertow sucks you under. This, plus kill the other survivors and feed them to the sharks so you are saved. Take your chances off the boat, as much as I hate becoming that fuck Leonardo Di Caprio, a frozen fish stick, it looks that if I was faced with that scenario it is the route I would go |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:05:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ferrys have a horrible safety record throughout the world. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Don't get on ships that capsize, or that sink. Ferrys have a horrible safety record throughout the world. I have no fear of taking a ferry from Seattle to Bainbridge Island. You won't ever find me on an overloaded third-world one. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:31:00 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: It's still floating Jim... Stay with the boat.. The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. No, that is a myth. What will get you is the rising bubbles making the water less dense. Light water = you no float. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:45:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryYou are forgetting Archimedes' Principle. Besides, the chick in the photo does NOT have Kate Winslet's hips and ass. 
However, I would still plow into Kate like a ship hitting an iceberg 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:49:57 AM EDT
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http://media1.s-nbcnews.com/i/MSNBC/Components/Slideshows/_production/ss-140416-korea-ferry-sinking/ss-140416-korea-ferry-sinking-03.jpg Should you have your life preserver with you at all times? If a ship violently lists like that what in God's name can you do? Fight the tilt and stay? suicide Just fall in the water? People panicking all around you and then you end up like Leonardo di caprio. like a cold fishstick So, do you like fishsticks? 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:56:05 AM EDT
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You get off the boat when you have to step up into the life raft. Stay with the boat as long as you can.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:59:53 AM EDT
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The whole "undertow" suck you down this may or may not happen.. If you are wearing your life vest then it nothing to really worry about.. You just want to be sure to swim clear of any rigging or lines.. But don't get in the water until you are sure the boat is sinking.. And then only of you can't make it to a life boat.. Life rafts and flotation devices will pop to the surface shortly after going under if not deployed by the crew.. They are activated by pressure or simply float off the deck. After fire hypothermia is the biggest killer.. Even 80*F water will make a person hypothermic.. It's all a matter of time. Stay dry as long as possible... Stay with things that are easily found.. Great words of advice right here.. I just received my Captains license last year... 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:04:18 AM EDT
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Don't get on ships that capsize, or that sink. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:06:50 AM EDT
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Get out of your cabin and onto the deck. Those big barrel looking things on deck are actually inflatable rafts. Be near one and figure out how to deploy it. Carry a small flashlight with you at all times. Both times I went on a cruise I had my little Streamlight in my pocket. Know how to swim. Don't go back for the rich chick you just met on the boat and don't give her your floating door. This sounds about right. Last one made me lol  . Terribly sad situation for all involved though.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:07:28 AM EDT
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I've always wondered about the whole "ship will suck you under with it" when it goes under thing too. Seems like something mythbusters would have tested at some point. They did |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:08:40 AM EDT
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Being in a country where I don't want to be, I remember two things in an emergency.
1. my passport 2. my life vest |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:09:41 AM EDT
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Never get out of the boat. Absolutely goddamned right.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:27:51 AM EDT
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Do everyone a favor and stay on the beach.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:48:08 AM EDT
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I've been on a lot of ferries (in the Greek islands and elsewhere). Ferries tend to have a high center of gravity, compared to other ships. If they start flooding, they could easily roll over.
The first thing I do when I get on a ferry is check the boat deck and see where the life raft racks (those cylindrical pods) are located. In an emergency, those rafts could be deployed a lot faster than the (few) lifeboats. The pods roll into the water and break open, and the raft inside inflates automatically. If there is time, your best bet obviously would be to get into one of the lifeboats. But if the ship rolls quickly, most of the lifeboats would be unusable. Know where the life jacket lockers are. But it would be ridiculous to go around wearing them. (Anyway, you're not even allowed to do so.) |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:59:54 AM EDT
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No, that is a myth. What will get you is the rising bubbles making the water less dense. Light water = you no float. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's still floating Jim... Stay with the boat.. The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. No, that is a myth. What will get you is the rising bubbles making the water less dense. Light water = you no float. finally, someone with the correct answer. the problem is not "undertow". the problem is aerated water immediately above the sinking ship. you basically "fall" in this aerated water at about the same speed as the ship is sinking. will you eventually stop sinking? yes -- as soon as the water density and your buoyancy cancel each other out, you'll stop sinking. at what depth will this be? how much water will you have ingested into your lungs? etc etc etc. for this reason, if she is going down, swim away fast. otherwise, you risk falling into a hole in the water. ar-jedi |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 6:01:10 AM EDT
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What a bunch of pansies. If you're scared, say you're scared, and then stay home.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:49:04 AM EDT
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You get off the boat when you have to step up into the life raft. Stay with the boat as long as you can. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:50:32 AM EDT
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Do everyone a favor and stay on the beach. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:52:27 AM EDT
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What a bunch of pansies. If you're scared, say you're scared, and then stay home. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:53:45 AM EDT
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Get to land as soon as possible.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 11:54:24 AM EDT
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The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's still floating Jim... Stay with the boat.. The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. No. The Titanic's baker stepped off the stern railing as it went under. "Suction" is pretty much a myth, unless a sudden rush of water into a hatch pulls you inside. It's getting caught in something that can drag you down. With that ferry? This photo pisses me off. 
Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:04:53 PM EDT
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What a bunch of pansies. If you're scared, say you're scared, and then stay home. Landlubbers |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:05:20 PM EDT
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026-3x2-700x467.jpg]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg[/url] Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:07:53 PM EDT
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Take warnings seriously. Get your life jacket at the first sign of trouble. Be among the first to the life boats.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:11:10 PM EDT
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Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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026-3x2-700x467.jpg]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg[/url] Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? Hydrostatic pressure or a crew member / passanger tossing them over the side.. Nobody needed to die in that one.. Muster ON DECK and wait for the situation to demand a responce.. Like the person stepping on to the rescue boat... There was never a need to go into the water.. I see arrest warrents have been issued for the captain and some crew.. As they should be.. Get to the deck at the first sign of trouble.. Fire especially.. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:12:26 PM EDT
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Hydrostatic pressure or a crew member / passanger tossing them over the side.. Nobody needed to die in that one.. Muster ON DECK and wait for the situation to demand a responce.. Like the person stepping on to the rescue boat... There was never a need to go into the water.. I see arrest warrents have been issued for the captain and some crew.. As they should be.. Get to the deck at the first sign of trouble.. Fire especially.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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026-3x2-700x467.jpg]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg[/url] Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? Hydrostatic pressure or a crew member / passanger tossing them over the side.. Nobody needed to die in that one.. Muster ON DECK and wait for the situation to demand a responce.. Like the person stepping on to the rescue boat... There was never a need to go into the water.. I see arrest warrents have been issued for the captain and some crew.. As they should be.. Get to the deck at the first sign of trouble.. Fire especially.. If a crew member does it it's not automatic. 
But I think your point has some truth to it. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:19:11 PM EDT
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Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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026-3x2-700x467.jpg]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg[/url] Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? They don't. A competent crew deploys them, especially if the ship is listing that hard, rather than telling the passengers to stay below. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:21:23 PM EDT
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They don't. A competent crew deploys them, especially if the ship is listing that hard, rather than telling the passengers to stay below. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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026-3x2-700x467.jpg]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg[/url] Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? They don't. A competent crew deploys them, especially if the ship is listing that hard, rather than telling the passengers to stay below. They do. They have a hydrostatic release device. Of course, that does require being underwater... |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:21:53 PM EDT
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Stay on the ship as long as possible. Lest resort is a lifeboat or in the water.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:25:08 PM EDT
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Never take your entire gun collection. Too many members here at ARFCOM make thaterror.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:26:01 PM EDT
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I have no fear of taking a ferry from Seattle to Bainbridge Island. You won't ever find me on an overloaded third-world one. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't get on ships that capsize, or that sink. Ferrys have a horrible safety record throughout the world. I have no fear of taking a ferry from Seattle to Bainbridge Island. You won't ever find me on an overloaded third-world one. Yea I take the ferries all the time, but again in a 3rd world country you need to stay frosty. Shit you take for granted here in the US (no open holes on the sidewalk, safe and functional ferry, traffic laws, basic food prep, etc) don't exist in many parts of this planet. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:33:39 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:38:38 PM EDT
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Landlubbers Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What a bunch of pansies. If you're scared, say you're scared, and then stay home. Landlubbers 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:49:45 PM EDT
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They do. They have a hydrostatic release device. Of course, that does require being underwater... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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026-3x2-700x467.jpg]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg[/url] Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? They don't. A competent crew deploys them, especially if the ship is listing that hard, rather than telling the passengers to stay below. They do. They have a hydrostatic release device. Of course, that does require being underwater... Well, yes, I meant deploy BEFORE the thing capsizes. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:59:22 PM EDT
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Asst principal of the school just hanged himself
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:08:25 PM EDT
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If a crew member does it it's not automatic.
But I think your point has some truth to it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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026-3x2-700x467.jpg]http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg[/url] Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. They're lifeboats. Now tell me, how do lifeboats automatically deploy? Hydrostatic pressure or a crew member / passanger tossing them over the side.. Nobody needed to die in that one.. Muster ON DECK and wait for the situation to demand a responce.. Like the person stepping on to the rescue boat... There was never a need to go into the water.. I see arrest warrents have been issued for the captain and some crew.. As they should be.. Get to the deck at the first sign of trouble.. Fire especially.. If a crew member does it it's not automatic.
But I think your point has some truth to it. Luchs never mentioned "automatically" you were the one who brought that detail into it
I think his point was that all those "trapped" people, could have easily gotten off of the boat without ever getting their feet wet (and if the crew had of done their jobs then they would have). |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:10:52 PM EDT
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Quote Historybecause you can both fit in that area - doesn't mean it has the buoyancy to support you both. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:26:28 PM EDT
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Aye, aye Cap'n Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Do everyone a favor and stay on the beach. Your answer is closer to being true than you probably think.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:30:25 PM EDT
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No. The Titanic's baker stepped off the stern railing as it went under. "Suction" is pretty much a myth, unless a sudden rush of water into a hatch pulls you inside. It's getting caught in something that can drag you down. With that ferry? This photo pisses me off. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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It's still floating Jim... Stay with the boat.. The post above yours is a bit contradictory. Will the undertow take you with her? Honest question. No. The Titanic's baker stepped off the stern railing as it went under. "Suction" is pretty much a myth, unless a sudden rush of water into a hatch pulls you inside. It's getting caught in something that can drag you down. With that ferry? This photo pisses me off. http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/5395026-3x2-700x467.jpg Do you know what all those UNDEPLOYED pods on the right are? Yes. Yes, I do. Those people did not have to die, |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:31:52 PM EDT
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Easy. Go to the gym and get one of these. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:42:12 PM EDT
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Get a bigger boat.
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