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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:19:47 AM EDT
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I'm curious what we did before Tasers? I almost can't remember... but I don't recall killing them either.... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Excited delirium is no joke. They warn us about that every year when I re-cert on the Taser. I'm curious what we did before Tasers? I almost can't remember... but I don't recall killing them either.... Beat the shit out of someone. Taser has saved lots of lives and has documented reduction of injuries for both officers and suspects. People died all the time in police custody before tasers came along. Name one cop, security, volunteer or military person that has died from being tased in training. You can use the whole wide world to find an example. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:24:40 AM EDT
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Beat the shit out of someone. Taser has saved lots of lives and has documented reduction of injuries for both officers and suspects. People died all the time in police custody before tasers came along. Name one cop, security, volunteer or military person that has died from being tased in training. You can use the whole wide world to find an example. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Excited delirium is no joke. They warn us about that every year when I re-cert on the Taser. I'm curious what we did before Tasers? I almost can't remember... but I don't recall killing them either.... Beat the shit out of someone. Taser has saved lots of lives and has documented reduction of injuries for both officers and suspects. People died all the time in police custody before tasers came along. Name one cop, security, volunteer or military person that has died from being tased in training. You can use the whole wide world to find an example. Sensitive... t'was tongue-in-cheek. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:25:40 AM EDT
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If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, next time... break out the 9mm. If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. I think Tactical-Heater meant pull the gun and hold up the register, since nothing else was working. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:31:44 AM EDT
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Needs more...
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:33:10 AM EDT
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I'll say it, that was fucking pathetic. 
Taser not work? Time to haul out the baton and break stuff. I couldn't be a cop. If guy had my partner cornered and hitting him after being tased, I would have reached for the real gun and lit the guy up like a Christmas tree as soon as I had the angle. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:34:28 AM EDT
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I couldn't be a cop. If guy had my partner cornered and hitting him after being tased, I would have reached for the real gun and lit the guy up like a Christmas tree as soon as I had the angle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'll say it, that was fucking pathetic.
Taser not work? Time to haul out the baton and break stuff. I couldn't be a cop. If guy had my partner cornered and hitting him after being tased, I would have reached for the real gun and lit the guy up like a Christmas tree as soon as I had the angle. You could be a cop but just not for long. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:35:04 AM EDT
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Way to close for the Taser to do it's thing.
At that range it merely inflicts pain. Taser ain't a fighting or defensive weapon, it's an ambush weapon.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:36:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:37:00 AM EDT
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Way to close for the Taser to do it's thing. At that range it merely inflicts pain. Taser ain't a fighting or defensive weapon, it's an ambush weapon.
Not necessarily. The issue was not the range, it was the lack of connection of both probes. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:37:29 AM EDT
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We are doing just the opposite, taser goes in the drawer and batons are coming out. Did my cert on baton this week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless. 
We are doing just the opposite, taser goes in the drawer and batons are coming out. Did my cert on baton this week. Austin is re-issuing PR-24's these days,. Never thought I would see that. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:57:22 AM EDT
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Since this video was posted online, the fat cop has probably filed a grievance for all the shit he is taking at muster.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:00:03 PM EDT
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The overall level of training displayed in this video is pretty bad. Welcome to LE. You would think that some of the defensive tactics learned during elementary school slap fighting would have kicked in at some point. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:24:02 PM EDT
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Beat the shit out of someone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Excited delirium is no joke. They warn us about that every year when I re-cert on the Taser. I'm curious what we did before Tasers? I almost can't remember... but I don't recall killing them either.... Beat the shit out of someone. Uh... yeah. Not really sure what is so hard to understand about that. If two cops couldn't do the job, you got four. If four didn't do it, 6... 8... 10... whatever it took. Every time I hear someone talking about the over-use of Tasers, I always say the same thing: I'd rather ride the lightning than dance with the Flashlight Octopus. Quoted:
Austin is re-issuing PR-24's these days,. Never thought I would see that. Personally, I hated that thing. When I was in a car, it never came out of the trunk. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:35:02 PM EDT
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They are in need of some serious time on the mat.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:38:06 PM EDT
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That kid is my hero! |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:42:09 PM EDT
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They are in need of some serious time on the mat. In the big cop's defense, the story was that the crazy guy had flooded the place, so the floor was covered in water. You can see the big cop sliding around. Being big loses a lot of its advantage when you can't get any traction or leverage. Back in the day it would have been time to apply a little timber. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:07:39 PM EDT
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When one intermediate doesn't work, switch to something else.
Batons work. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:22:52 PM EDT
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When he was on the floor they should have been quick to take control of him. They acted like they were afraid to touch him.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:46:46 PM EDT
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Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
No he isn't. He'd be great cover in a gun fight. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:47:55 PM EDT
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We don't pay cops to take a whipping. They should have shot his ass. I know, I'd never be a cop.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:51:27 PM EDT
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If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, next time... break out the 9mm. If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Yup |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:57:03 PM EDT
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In the big cop's defense, the story was that the crazy guy had flooded the place, so the floor was covered in water. You can see the big cop sliding around. Being big loses a lot of its advantage when you can't get any traction or leverage. Back in the day it would have been time to apply a little timber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are in need of some serious time on the mat. In the big cop's defense, the story was that the crazy guy had flooded the place, so the floor was covered in water. You can see the big cop sliding around. Being big loses a lot of its advantage when you can't get any traction or leverage. Back in the day it would have been time to apply a little timber. Piss poor excuse. What really happened is he tried to bend over to cuff (instead of putting a knee on the guy) and his belly pushed his knee out causing him to slip. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:58:25 PM EDT
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Pathetic.
Those LEOs need some serious training and time in the gym. If you worked a job where protecting yourself was a real need, wouldn't you take it more serious than these guys? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:04:51 PM EDT
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If I were there, knowing that that man was acting FUCKING INSANE I think I'd have been trying to bludgeon him in the head with something when he started wailing on the smaller cop.
It's too bad that he died in custody, but my prediction is they're going to find drugs in his system, so about all I can say is "Oops, sucks to be that guy." |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:07:54 PM EDT
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Pathetic. Those LEOs need some serious training and time in the gym. If you worked a job where protecting yourself was a real need, wouldn't you take it more serious than these guys? Because your bosses tell you to only use the techniques you are trained on, then offer no training. Or they tell you to use only the gear you are issued, then issue cheap shit or won't replace broken gear. And even if you use what you received minimal training in, if you look bad on the news, you may still be fucked. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:58:12 PM EDT
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Whoa! You mean there was a crazed man in another state besides florida... say it ain't so! It ain't so. He's not "crazed" by Florida standards. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:06:31 PM EDT
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Because your bosses tell you to only use the techniques you are trained on, then offer no training. Or they tell you to use only the gear you are issued, then issue cheap shit or won't replace broken gear. And even if you use what you received minimal training in, if you look bad on the news, you may still be fucked. Yep, good luck when you get caught on video using some training the department didn't provide and the situation goes south. I'd be looking at the driveshaft of a bus in a heartbeat. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:14:21 PM EDT
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Yep, good luck when you get caught using some training the department didn't provide and the situation goes south. I'd be looking at the driveshaft of a bus in a heartbeat. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Because your bosses tell you to only use the techniques you are trained on, then offer no training. Or they tell you to use only the gear you are issued, then issue cheap shit or won't replace broken gear. And even if you use what you received minimal training in, if you look bad on the news, you may still be fucked. Yep, good luck when you get caught using some training the department didn't provide and the situation goes south. I'd be looking at the driveshaft of a bus in a heartbeat. I don't doubt it. Back in the day, you could use "whatever means necessary" to affect an arrest. I saw a video here last week where 2 cops were fighting a big black man and he actually took the baton away from the cop. It reminded me of something I learned as a rookie. Me and my training officer were going into a bar where there was a fight. I took out my baton and wrapped my hand around the stick with a leather strap. My TO said, "Don't do that!" So I didn't. Later he told me that a guy could grab the stick and jerk me around if my hand was tied to the stick. I asked him, "But what if he tries to take it away from me?" He said, "Let him. Then he will be armed with a dangerous weapon. Pull your pistol and shoot him full of holes." Oh, for the good old days.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:02:52 PM EDT
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That dude was in beast mode. Glad he's toast. Useless to society. No shit right there! The dude wasn't even human anymore, just a rage machine on a collision course with humanity. I feel bad for those cops, if you discount the emotional trauma of killing that dude, they came within inches of being beaten to death by that crazy, and they took some major lumps while trying to gain control. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:18:25 PM EDT
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I saw a video here last week where 2 cops were fighting a big black man and he actually took the baton away from the cop.
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Because your bosses tell you to only use the techniques you are trained on, then offer no training. Or they tell you to use only the gear you are issued, then issue cheap shit or won't replace broken gear. And even if you use what you received minimal training in, if you look bad on the news, you may still be fucked. Yep, good luck when you get caught using some training the department didn't provide and the situation goes south. I'd be looking at the driveshaft of a bus in a heartbeat. I saw a video here last week where 2 cops were fighting a big black man and he actually took the baton away from the cop.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:32:31 PM EDT
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ahemmm
"fire extinguisher" "wet towel" "taser" drive stun to the neck drugs are bad and fucks given zero.... |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:34:39 PM EDT
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ahemmm "fire extinguisher" "wet towel" "taser". So hit him over the head with the fire extinguisher? 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:41:05 PM EDT
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ahemmm "fire extinguisher" "wet towel" "taser". So hit him over the head with the fire extinguisher? as i was informed by a member of GD, a fire extinguisher may be discharged to subdue a knife wielding individual....might as well work on a crazy person to, right? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:16:17 PM EDT
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We don't carry tasers so it would be baton time, but just wait till GD sees the video....OMG JBTs!!
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:18:23 PM EDT
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We don't carry tasers so it would be baton time, but just wait till GD sees the video....OMG JBTs!! It would be portable radio and Maglite time where I worked................................unofficially. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:30:10 PM EDT
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I eat at at that Freddy's a couple times a month. 
The female cashier in the video told me that the dude walked in batshit crazy. The one cop was slipping all over the floor because the guy was knocking all kinds of shit all over the place. I live right around the corner from that Freddy's and almost went there for dinner that night
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:39:16 PM EDT
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Austin is re-issuing PR-24's these days,. Never thought I would see that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
We are doing just the opposite, taser goes in the drawer and batons are coming out. Did my cert on baton this week. Austin is re-issuing PR-24's these days,. Never thought I would see that. Shheeesh, I thought folks were going old school like my SO. lead wrapped in leather baby and wood. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:47:47 PM EDT
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Shheeesh, I thought folks were going old school like my SO. lead wrapped in leather baby and wood With a side order of lawsuit. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:08:33 PM EDT
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It would be portable radio and Maglite time where I worked................................unofficially. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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We don't carry tasers so it would be baton time, but just wait till GD sees the video....OMG JBTs!! It would be portable radio and Maglite time where I worked................................unofficially. You guys didn't have bats? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:20:13 PM EDT
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Shheeesh, I thought folks were going old school like my SO. lead wrapped in leather baby and wood With a side order of lawsuit. Hey, the boss ok'd them, so I am running with it. It is nice carrying a sap in a sap pocket instead of an asp with a triad on the end. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:38:05 PM EDT
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That is some improper handcuffing and really piss poor taking control of the situation. Really just a shit sandwich. Yep, why, why, WHY, do folks get the cuffs out BEFORE they have the suspect under physical control and at a disadvantage!? Damn people, are we forgetting the basics (or never been properly trained)? Reason #3,753 why going hands on quickly, and using the appropriate amount of force, protects you and the suspect from further harm. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:39:07 PM EDT
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We are doing just the opposite, taser goes in the drawer and batons are coming out. Did my cert on baton this week. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
We are doing just the opposite, taser goes in the drawer and batons are coming out. Did my cert on baton this week. I am close to convincing my Sheriff to let us carry espantoons again. I have one an ARFOMer made me a few years ago, I am dying to carry it. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:40:52 PM EDT
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Austin is re-issuing PR-24's these days,. Never thought I would see that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
We are doing just the opposite, taser goes in the drawer and batons are coming out. Did my cert on baton this week. Austin is re-issuing PR-24's these days,. Never thought I would see that. I miss my PR-24, great tool. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:41:42 PM EDT
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In the big cop's defense, the story was that the crazy guy had flooded the place, so the floor was covered in water. You can see the big cop sliding around. Being big loses a lot of its advantage when you can't get any traction or leverage. Back in the day it would have been time to apply a little timber. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They are in need of some serious time on the mat. In the big cop's defense, the story was that the crazy guy had flooded the place, so the floor was covered in water. You can see the big cop sliding around. Being big loses a lot of its advantage when you can't get any traction or leverage. Back in the day it would have been time to apply a little timber. I love that descriptor. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:43:19 PM EDT
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We are sending several of our guys to a Gracie Police Combative Instructor course. It looks like Use of Force training is coming full circle.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:59:02 PM EDT
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We don't carry tasers so it would be baton time, but just wait till GD sees the video....OMG JBTs!! It would be portable radio and Maglite time where I worked................................unofficially. You guys didn't have bats? We did. Hit someone anywhere "effective" and you were getting jammed up of it was caught on video. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:47:12 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:23:08 AM EDT
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No shit right there! The dude wasn't even human anymore, just a rage machine on a collision course with humanity. I feel bad for those cops, if you discount the emotional trauma of killing that dude, they came within inches of being beaten to death by that crazy, and they took some major lumps while trying to gain control. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That dude was in beast mode. Glad he's toast. Useless to society. No shit right there! The dude wasn't even human anymore, just a rage machine on a collision course with humanity. I feel bad for those cops, if you discount the emotional trauma of killing that dude, they came within inches of being beaten to death by that crazy, and they took some major lumps while trying to gain control. This video is an excellent example of what happens if you don't take control of the situation and suspect quickly. However if done correctly the same video would have GD screaming "JBT's!". |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:27:58 AM EDT
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This is close to a good prone handcuffing I could find. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 4:34:13 AM EDT
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Further evidence that Tasers are not magical, and hands on physical control skills are still extremely important in policing. I need to get back to the gym. I agree 100% However some outcomes are going to happen regardless. Cops aren't magical fairies that make everything ok when they show up on scene. some things are just on a trajectory that are inevitable. |
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