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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:09:55 AM EDT
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I'd do the cash register chick.
But not the fat cop or the homo inky. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 1:57:27 AM EDT
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Excited delirium is no joke. They warn us about that every year when I re-cert on the Taser.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:08:34 AM EDT
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Further evidence that Tasers are not magical, and hands on physical control skills are still extremely important in policing.
I need to get back to the gym. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:14:07 AM EDT
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle.
they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:19:35 AM EDT
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I'm really trying not to comment on the tactics of the officers, but its hard not to. They did well by reasoning with the guy and getting him to get down on the floor, but than its like they slept through the rest of their tactics class when it came time for the handcuffing. Also: Ask. Tell. Make. It seems like they never assertively and whole heartedly performed the 'tell' and 'make' stages when the suspect started fighting (aside from over-reliance of the tasers).
Either way, I'm sure the suspect probably would've ended up dead. The toxicology results will be key. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:26:18 AM EDT
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Yeah..... That last part you said...... That's why they used the taser. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:27:29 AM EDT
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Was the fat cop getting a liter of cola while his partner was getting hit between 1:01-1:07?!
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:29:59 AM EDT
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Further evidence that Tasers are not magical, and hands on physical control skills are still extremely important in policing. I need to get back to the gym. This here, whoever didn't trained those cops needs fired. Who doesn't cuff that way? 
Lots of fail in that video. When you give someone a taser it doesn't mean that you stop all other training. To many depts/officers depend on the tasers way to much. Train like you fight/fight like you train, these 2 cops are lucky that crazy didn't want to really hurt someone. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:33:10 AM EDT
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I'm really trying not to comment on the tactics of the officers, but its hard not to. They did well by reasoning with the guy and getting him to get down on the floor, but than its like they slept through the rest of their tactics class when it came time for the handcuffing. Also: Ask. Tell. Make. It seems like they never assertively and whole heartedly performed the 'tell' and 'make' stages when the suspect started fighting (aside from over-reliance of the tasers). Either way, I'm sure the suspect probably would've ended up dead. The toxicology results will be key. Why not? Tactics save lives, these guys got very lucky. They had the guy on the ground. Put a knee on his neck and cuff him already. Those 2 had zero tactics other than pull taser and hope it works. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:38:35 AM EDT
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Further evidence that Tasers are not magical, and hands on physical control skills are still extremely important in policing. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Further evidence that Tasers are not magical, and hands on physical control skills are still extremely important in policing. Quoted:
Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Well said by both of you. These officers looked old enough to have started their careers before tasers so I honestly expected more physical tactics when the tasers didn't work. The suspect was fit but the suspect had poor tactics and allowed himself to be open. Instead of seizing the opportunities, the officers continued their non-effective taser attempts from a distance. Hopefully the officers and the department will realize their need for more hands-on refresher training. Hopefully the officers weren't hurt too badly. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:46:58 AM EDT
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Looked like he was trying to slap box them. Don't they carry batons?
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:51:14 AM EDT
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Yeah..... That last part you said...... That's why they used the taser. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Yeah..... That last part you said...... That's why they used the taser. I might be misunderstanding your reply, but I'm reading that as you are thinking we are talking about if the taser should or shouldn't have been used. I don't think anyone is saying that the officers shouldn't have tried the tasers. Tasers are great when they work. What we are saying is that there were openings for physical tactics (starting from the handcuffing) that may have worked better, and that physical tactics certainly needed to come out during the fight when the tasers weren't working. As a side comment, I find it concerning how many officers are not carrying OC and/or batons anymore due to taser reliance. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:56:49 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was the fat cop getting a liter of cola while his partner was getting hit between 1:01-1:07?! My morning chuckle. Tatman was on something serious. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:26:56 AM EDT
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I'll say it, that was fucking pathetic.
Taser not work? Time to haul out the baton and break stuff. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:35:31 AM EDT
[#15]
Dude, I mean, like . . . dude.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:42:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.  |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:45:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Was the fat cop getting a liter of cola while his partner was getting hit between 1:01-1:07?! No shit, add to the fact it takes him 10 minutes to get one cuff on the suspect. Holy crap. He gave the suspect too much time to respond to being cuffed by being so slow. How would you like that guy backing you up? No thanks. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:46:10 AM EDT
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That dude was in beast mode.
Glad he's toast. Useless to society.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:49:35 AM EDT
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To many depts/officers depend on the tasers way to much. Quote HistoryQuoted:
To many depts/officers depend on the tasers way to much. This. Quoted:
These officers looked old enough to have started their careers before tasers so I honestly expected more physical tactics when the tasers didn't work. Some departments don't train cops in that or they train very poorly. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:50:07 AM EDT
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Excited delirium is no joke. They warn us about that every year when I re-cert on the Taser. What he says. I have personally witnessed a similar incident. It took 4 of us to wrestle down a 250 lb guy hopped up on cocaine and hallucinating. We didn't use a Taser, and we probably should have. After being in the ER triage room for about 5 minutes, he just stopped breathing. They got him back after about 25 minutes, but he was brain dead and ended up dying about a week later anyways. Something tells me the guy in this situation would have died whether they used a Taser or not. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:53:55 AM EDT
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At first I thought the suspect was a midget. Until the officers made him lay down, I then realized he was kneeling down.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:55:13 AM EDT
[#22]
Nm, "has not been determined".
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:55:45 AM EDT
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At first I thought the suspect was a midget. Until the officers made him lay down, I then realized he was kneeling down. Me too.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:57:17 AM EDT
[#24]
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. You never know when circumstances will force you to go old school. Quoted:
Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. Or anything that "looks bad" cell phone video. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:03:14 AM EDT
[#25]
I eat at at that Freddy's a couple times a month.
The female cashier in the video told me that the dude walked in batshit crazy. The one cop was slipping all over the floor because the guy was knocking all kinds of shit all over the place. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:32:35 AM EDT
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That dude was in beast mode. Glad he's toast. Useless to society. I agree--though if I had said it first a small contingent here would be all breathless with (feigned) outrage. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:47:41 AM EDT
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I agree--though if I had said it first a small contingent here would be all breathless with (feigned) outrage. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That dude was in beast mode. Glad he's toast. Useless to society. I agree--though if I had said it first a small contingent here would be all breathless with (feigned) outrage. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:54:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I agree--though if I had said it first a small contingent here would be all breathless with (feigned) outrage. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: That dude was in beast mode. Glad he's toast. Useless to society. I agree--though if I had said it first a small contingent here would be all breathless with (feigned) outrage.  |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:54:53 AM EDT
[#29]
I would have shot him while he was still in the restaurant.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:03:41 AM EDT
[#30]
Damn guy... the TASER obviously isn't fucking working, maybe you should thing about trying something else.
The overall level of training displayed in this video is pretty bad. Neither one of these cops (both of which look like big, physically capable guys) had a clue as to what to do when the TASER didn't work. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:10:57 AM EDT
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Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
Risk management based policing is creating a generation of cops afraid to use force. The media, critics, lawyers and policy writers have made the process following any use of force so painfull many cops are afraid use force when justified. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:11:21 AM EDT
[#32]
They gave that guy too many chances and then went Nancy when they went hands on. No wonder that guy went retard. He figured he could....
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:14:10 AM EDT
[#33]
The loud clicking you hear is the Taser telling them it doesnt have a good connection.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:18:24 AM EDT
[#34]
That is some improper handcuffing and really piss poor taking control of the situation.
Really just a shit sandwich. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:18:35 AM EDT
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Was the fat cop getting a liter of cola while his partner was getting hit between 1:01-1:07?! NO SHIT!! You weigh 350 pounds. Go over there and tackle the guy. Oh and I would like to personally thank the camera recorder for holding his phone the correct way. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:20:46 AM EDT
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Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
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Those officers really seem to depend on the taser to do all the heavy lifting in that struggle. they seemed very reluctant to actually go hands on with the guy and he whooped they asses for a good portion of the struggle. Welcome to police work in the 21st century. Administrators HATE the use of batons, fists, or anything else that can leave a mark. The fat cop was next to worthless.
We are doing just the opposite, taser goes in the drawer and batons are coming out. Did my cert on baton this week. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:43:39 AM EDT
[#37]
Good taze.
Fuck that guy. You can beat the rap, not the ride. ETA: Inky bro only got it on because he thought that he could, because officer's friendly didn't appear to know how to handcuff a guy who was already on the ground. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:49:25 AM EDT
[#38]
were those tats?
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:56:50 AM EDT
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Good taze. Well, good, except for the fact that it didn't do anything other than piss the silly fucker off, and Officer Einstein just kept pulling the trigger and getting slapped a lot.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:58:23 AM EDT
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The overall level of training displayed in this video is pretty bad. Welcome to LE. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:01:48 AM EDT
[#41]
Good taze.
However, next time... break out the 9mm. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:05:17 AM EDT
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However, next time... break out the 9mm. If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:08:29 AM EDT
[#43]
I kept waiting for the Benny Hill music to start when they were out in the parking lot.
Does anyone know how they finally stopped the guy? Did more cops show up, or did he just drop dead next to his car? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:09:35 AM EDT
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If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, next time... break out the 9mm. If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. When the tazer didn't work the first time, one of the officer's should've whipped out his collapsible "compliance stick" and went to town, but that would look, really, really bad on video.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:10:25 AM EDT
[#45]
Whoa!
You mean there was a crazed man in another state besides florida... say it ain't so! |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:10:37 AM EDT
[#46]
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This here, whoever didn't trained those cops needs fired. Who doesn't cuff that way?
Lots of fail in that video. When you give someone a taser it doesn't mean that you stop all other training. To many depts/officers depend on the tasers way to much. Train like you fight/fight like you train, these 2 cops are lucky that crazy didn't want to really hurt someone. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Further evidence that Tasers are not magical, and hands on physical control skills are still extremely important in policing. I need to get back to the gym. This here, whoever didn't trained those cops needs fired. Who doesn't cuff that way?
Lots of fail in that video. When you give someone a taser it doesn't mean that you stop all other training. To many depts/officers depend on the tasers way to much. Train like you fight/fight like you train, these 2 cops are lucky that crazy didn't want to really hurt someone. This. Way to much dependence on the Taser. You can hear by the crackle of the arc that it is not making a full connection. Either move in with a Drive Stun to complete the connection, or disengage. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:13:50 AM EDT
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The loud clicking you hear is the Taser telling them it doesnt have a good connection. Correct. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:16:42 AM EDT
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Excited delirium is no joke. They warn us about that every year when I re-cert on the Taser. I'm curious what we did before Tasers? I almost can't remember... but I don't recall killing them either.... Okay, well maybe a few... |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:17:25 AM EDT
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If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, next time... break out the 9mm. If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Yeah that was not a shoot situation. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:17:40 AM EDT
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If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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However, next time... break out the 9mm. If I had shot that guy for what was on that video I'd be charged so fast my head would spin. Well, if you had shot him, at least 11 of your co-workers would have emptied magazines at anything that moved... 
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