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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:29:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about some fucking perjury charges, to start? |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:34:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Learn the meaning of sarcasm, fellas. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious as hell. Read it again: who's version of justice, the cops and who's definition of good faith, the cops? Lying in court of law (and our governing bodies) to advance one's own agenda(s) has put this country in trouble. I'll pull back on the "idiot" comment to M-60, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel that particular opinion leads to VERY bad outcomes, especially in court and other lawmaking bodies (reference Obama and Holder again, as well as Congress). Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: snip You better send your Sarcasm meter in for recalibration, it's definitely on the Fritz........  Learn the meaning of sarcasm, fellas. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious as hell. Read it again: who's version of justice, the cops and who's definition of good faith, the cops? Lying in court of law (and our governing bodies) to advance one's own agenda(s) has put this country in trouble. I'll pull back on the "idiot" comment to M-60, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel that particular opinion leads to VERY bad outcomes, especially in court and other lawmaking bodies (reference Obama and Holder again, as well as Congress). They are talking about my post that was pretty obvious a trollolalala statement. Chill out, everyone in the thread is on the same page as you. The thin blue liners wont touch this one with a 20 foot pole while secured in their new MRAPs. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:57:23 PM EDT
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Fuckers.
Perjury charges. Let them make bail. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:57:44 PM EDT
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Learn the meaning of sarcasm, fellas. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious as hell. Read it again: who's version of justice, the cops and who's definition of good faith, the cops? Lying in court of law (and our governing bodies) to advance one's own agenda(s) has put this country in trouble. I'll pull back on the "idiot" comment to M-60, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel that particular opinion leads to VERY bad outcomes, especially in court and other lawmaking bodies (reference Obama and Holder again, as well as Congress). So much fail in just three posts. Let me help you buddy, the guy you quoted and called an idiot was being EXTREMELY sarcastic, and your meter failed to read it. Getting it now? |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:57:59 PM EDT
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I have a rope, and it longs to touch those who deserve it's embrace around their neck. Wonder woman, is that you? 
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:08:27 PM EDT
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and the drugs never made it to the property room.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:17:32 PM EDT
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Learn the meaning of sarcasm, fellas. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious as hell. Read it again: who's version of justice, the cops and who's definition of good faith, the cops? Lying in court of law (and our governing bodies) to advance one's own agenda(s) has put this country in trouble. I'll pull back on the "idiot" comment to M-60, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel that particular opinion leads to VERY bad outcomes, especially in court and other lawmaking bodies (reference Obama and Holder again, as well as Congress). Quote HistoryQuoted:
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quote]Quoted: If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night.[/quote Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Please check your sarcasm meter and check back with us. Sarcasm meter checked and still in working order. Pegged at zero. Your point? I think mine's clear enough. Not trying to start shit, but EVERYONE has their own unique idea of what is right (in their minds), but lying on the stand is wrong. Period. You better send your Sarcasm meter in for recalibration, it's definitely on the Fritz........ Learn the meaning of sarcasm, fellas. I'm not being sarcastic, I'm serious as hell. Read it again: who's version of justice, the cops and who's definition of good faith, the cops? Lying in court of law (and our governing bodies) to advance one's own agenda(s) has put this country in trouble. I'll pull back on the "idiot" comment to M-60, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but I feel that particular opinion leads to VERY bad outcomes, especially in court and other lawmaking bodies (reference Obama and Holder again, as well as Congress). Wow, you're new at this, eh? 
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:17:36 PM EDT
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Remember Jerry. It's not a lie if you believe it.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:19:54 PM EDT
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Fuckem. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:32:36 AM EDT
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The first rule of testilying is don't get caught testilying. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"Obviously getting caught comitting perjury isn't something that is condoned by the FOP or anybody in the Police Department," Camden said. "These are allegations, and an investigation is taking place. We will make sure our officers are fully trained to avoid getting caught in the future." Fixed. The first rule of testilying is don't get caught testilying. Cameras will no longer be permitted. Problem solved. 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:48:51 AM EDT
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Somebody will defend that shit. Sickens me. Yes they will. And they will win. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:55:34 AM EDT
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Look at that. 5 isolated incidents in one incident. Ha Ha Ha! |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:57:19 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: How about some fucking perjury charges, to start? Throw them all in jail for 20 years and send a message. FUCK THEM.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:07:18 AM EDT
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Illinois? My surprised face.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:07:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Sarcasm meter checked and still in working order. Pegged at zero. Your point? I think mine's clear enough. Not trying to start shit, but EVERYONE has their own unique idea of what is right (in their minds), but lying on the stand is wrong. Period. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If the officers acted in good faith while they were helping expedite justice, then it's all good. At least they are going home safe from their tours of duty every night. Who's fucking justice, theirs? Bullshit, the law is the fucking law. Who's definition of good faith, theirs? Obama and Holder are "governing" according to their "good faith" in order to expedite their idea of "justice." I don't normally print (but sometimes do think) this statement on GD, but for you to say this defines you as an idiot. I uphold and will continue to defend your right to say it, but I also defend and uphold my right to say what I think of your opinion. Please check your sarcasm meter and check back with us. Sarcasm meter checked and still in working order. Pegged at zero. Your point? I think mine's clear enough. Not trying to start shit, but EVERYONE has their own unique idea of what is right (in their minds), but lying on the stand is wrong. Period. Yeah - your meter is broken
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:10:49 AM EDT
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The only thing which is unusual about this case is that the defendant was able to prove that the government agents lied.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:10:57 AM EDT
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Look at that. 5 isolated incidents in one incident. Lol |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:11:34 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fuckem. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:12:45 AM EDT
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We just don't understand how it's supposed to work and we certainly don't have all the information. Does this mean that all of their previous testimony is now going to have to be tossed? Because if I were in jail (guilty or not) because of their testimony, I would be contacting an attorney ASAP. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Look at that. 5 isolated incidents in one incident. We just don't understand how it's supposed to work and we certainly don't have all the information. Does this mean that all of their previous testimony is now going to have to be tossed? Because if I were in jail (guilty or not) because of their testimony, I would be contacting an attorney ASAP. If it isn't, they should get to share a private cell with those they put in jail. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:19:25 AM EDT
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That guy is tense. Tension is a killer. I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat. He was so stressed in the morning...
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:23:15 AM EDT
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No big surprise; it is Cook County SOP.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:25:57 AM EDT
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Here is another recent case involving multiple officers caught lying under oath.
LAPD officer gets community service, probation for lying under oath April 9, 2014 A Los Angeles police officer convicted of perjury and conspiracy after lying about the details of an arrest in court was sentenced Wednesday to community labor and three years' formal probation. Los Angeles County Superior Court Judge George G. Lomeli ordered Manuel Bernardo Ortiz to perform 900 hours of California Department of Transportation work or graffiti removal. Ortiz, 40, was charged in 2009 along with two fellow officers of lying under oath during a criminal trial about the details of an arrest in Hollywood. Former officers Evan Samuel and Richard Amio were convicted of multiple counts of perjury for testifying falsely during different court proceedings. http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-officer-perjury-sentencing-20140409,0,1193590.story |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:27:55 AM EDT
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Fuckem. I say, if guilty, execute them. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:29:34 AM EDT
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I can only assume that the truth made a furtive movement.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:33:41 AM EDT
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Look at that. 5 isolated incidents in one incident. One isolated incident per isolated incident isn't enough when you're held to a higher standard. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:34:29 AM EDT
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What's new? This happens all the time I'm sure. I was in court for a traffic ticket and there was a guy that I knew that had been busted for underage drinking at a party and I had been there when it went down. When the officer took the stand it was obvious that he must have been at a different party because his testimony was completely different than what had actually happened. He had twisted the facts to make the guy look worse than he was. That moment was when I realized that trusting every cop might not be a wise idea.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:38:45 AM EDT
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Normal police operating procedure.
The officers just happened to get caught. Don't worry though, they will be back on the street violating peoples rights in short order. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:40:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We need to win the War on Drugs by any means necessary.  This (including the smiley.) |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:44:09 AM EDT
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http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police Side note: I don't want anyone to think that these posts about corruption are meant to impugn the character of any of the LEO that post here, that is not my intention, honestly. There are always rotten apples in any profession. Quote HistoryQuoted:
All five are veteran officers. Glenview Officer Jim Horn declined to comment Monday, while the other four — Sgt. James Padar and Officers Vince Morgan and William Pruente, all assigned to narcotics for Chicago police, and Glenview Sgt. Theresa Urbanowski — could not be reached for comment. "Police officers are just like anybody — just because they're wearing a badge and carrying a gun does not give them more credibility," said Cook County Public Defender Abishi Cunningham Jr., a former Chicago prosecutor, defense attorney and judge. http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2014-04-15/news/ct-police-testimony-lies-met-20140415_1_police-officers-five-officers-chicago-police Side note: I don't want anyone to think that these posts about corruption are meant to impugn the character of any of the LEO that post here, that is not my intention, honestly. There are always rotten apples in any profession. Obviously, and honestly the public needs to be as vigilant as they can to counter corruption. However, two points; 1) always pointing out corruption leads the public to see corruption everywhere, even where it may or may not exist. 2) not pointing out corruption leads to more favorable atmosphere for more corruption. If the public at large will not take a stand and hold our elected officials accountable for their corruption, who is really to blame? We get what we allow. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:45:42 AM EDT
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That judge is not a highly trained and experienced police officer, how can she judge the reasonableness of their actions?
Is there video anywhere? I would love to see the the look on their collective faces. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:50:08 AM EDT
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So obviously they've overturned every conviction and released every prisoner convicted on the basis of testimony from each of these lying pieces of dog shit, right?
They've refunded every fine imposed on the basis of those "officers" reports too. Right? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:55:25 AM EDT
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You're overly optimistic. Half a dozen will defend it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somebody will defend that shit. Sickens me. You're overly optimistic. Half a dozen will defend it. Nobody has and nobody will. It's sad how you guys get going in a circle jerk in these threads and when no one provides what you expect should be the "typical" JBT response, you make the "typical" response yourselves and then pile on. There are even a couple of people in here who aren't smart enough to figure out when someone is being sarcastic and then start yelling at the faux JBT. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:56:06 AM EDT
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Somebody will defend that shit. Sickens me. Nah, it's easy to say "screw those guys" when the proof is presented at the outset. Here's the more interesting question: How many LE would automatically believe them if there was no video? Just a defendant saying " those guys are lying" and his word against theirs. And how many, after reading about this event, will still automatically believe LE the next time unless there's definitive proof to the contrary? Judging from what I've read here, it's still easily over 90%. And no number of cops lying to cover their ass will change it.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:08:01 AM EDT
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The only thing which is unusual about this case is that the defendant was able to prove that the government agents lied. Which is why you never fuck around when it's your life on the line, and you never hire the public defender unless it's your absolutely last choice. If I were ever accused of something serious, I'd sell a kidney to hire a good attorney before I'd let the public defender work my case. Attorneys are like septic tank pumpers. When you don't need one, you don't even want to know they exist, but when you do need one, you want the best one you can afford. Flightless or not. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:15:47 AM EDT
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That guy is tense. Tension is a killer. I used to be in a barbershop quartet in Skokie, Illinois. The baritone was this guy named Kip Diskin, big fat guy, I mean, like, orca fat. He was so stressed in the morning... I'm surprised it took until page 2 for that to be posted. 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:22:38 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:32:08 AM EDT
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As a former resident of that part of the planet, I am not surprised by this. Granted not all cops in that geographical area lie but there are wayyyyyy too many that do and are corrupt.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:32:33 AM EDT
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So obviously they've overturned every conviction and released every prisoner convicted on the basis of testimony from each of these lying pieces of dog shit, right? They've refunded every fine imposed on the basis of those "officers" reports too. Right? And lets not forget all the money spent on lawyers. Most people have NO idea how expensive it is to defend themselves from the .gov. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:04:01 AM EDT
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Here is one from the LAPD.
Lying officer with 3 substantiated commission misconduct issues is kept on force due to Nepotism. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck defends decision not to fire officer for lying Police Chief Charlie Beck has defended his decision to overrule a disciplinary board’s recommendation to fire a police officer with close family ties to the department, denying favoritism played a role in his determination.
A Los Angeles Police Department disciplinary board found that Officer Shaun Hillman should be terminated for lack of integrity, stemming from an investigation into an off-duty incident at a Riverside County bar. Hillman was caught on tape using a racial slur during a late-night altercation in Norco but later denied it to LAPD investigators. The board advised that he be fired for lying in the investigation, not for the fight itself. Beck overruled the board’s decision, something he has done just twice in his term as the city’s top cop, and handed down a 65-day suspension instead. http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20140402/lapd-chief-charlie-beck-defends-decision-not-to-fire-officer-for-lying |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:17:59 AM EDT
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War on Drugz!!? Yay!!!
I wonder how many innocent people sit in prison because of shit-bags like that? I'm guessing it's quite a number. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:22:57 AM EDT
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It was made very clear to me when I was a recruit that the last thing I would do as a police officer was lie. Get caught in a lie and your credibility is gone, you can no longer give court room testimony, and your career is over.
I've seen it happen to one of my co-workers. Lied about something stupid in an internal investigation and instead of getting perhaps a day or two off he was fired. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 5:32:28 AM EDT
[#42]
isolated incident
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:25:06 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is one from the LAPD. Lying officer with 3 substantiated commission misconduct issues is kept on force due to Nepotism. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck defends decision not to fire officer for lying http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20140402/lapd-chief-charlie-beck-defends-decision-not-to-fire-officer-for-lying Quote HistoryQuoted: Here is one from the LAPD. Lying officer with 3 substantiated commission misconduct issues is kept on force due to Nepotism. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck defends decision not to fire officer for lying Police Chief Charlie Beck has defended his decision to overrule a disciplinary board’s recommendation to fire a police officer with close family ties to the department, denying favoritism played a role in his determination. A Los Angeles Police Department disciplinary board found that Officer Shaun Hillman should be terminated for lack of integrity, stemming from an investigation into an off-duty incident at a Riverside County bar. Hillman was caught on tape using a racial slur during a late-night altercation in Norco but later denied it to LAPD investigators. The board advised that he be fired for lying in the investigation, not for the fight itself. Beck overruled the board’s decision, something he has done just twice in his term as the city’s top cop, and handed down a 65-day suspension instead. http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20140402/lapd-chief-charlie-beck-defends-decision-not-to-fire-officer-for-lying Damn! 65 days! I wonder if his dad is Deputy Chief Mike Hillman? Good guy. The troops like working for him. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:30:55 AM EDT
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Damn! 65 days! I wonder if his dad is Deputy Chief Mike Hillman? Good guy. The troops like working for him. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here is one from the LAPD. Lying officer with 3 substantiated commission misconduct issues is kept on force due to Nepotism. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck defends decision not to fire officer for lying Police Chief Charlie Beck has defended his decision to overrule a disciplinary board’s recommendation to fire a police officer with close family ties to the department, denying favoritism played a role in his determination.
A Los Angeles Police Department disciplinary board found that Officer Shaun Hillman should be terminated for lack of integrity, stemming from an investigation into an off-duty incident at a Riverside County bar. Hillman was caught on tape using a racial slur during a late-night altercation in Norco but later denied it to LAPD investigators. The board advised that he be fired for lying in the investigation, not for the fight itself. Beck overruled the board’s decision, something he has done just twice in his term as the city’s top cop, and handed down a 65-day suspension instead. http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20140402/lapd-chief-charlie-beck-defends-decision-not-to-fire-officer-for-lying Damn! 65 days! I wonder if his dad is Deputy Chief Mike Hillman? Good guy. The troops like working for him. Is that with or without pay? We couldn't be suspended without for more than 45 days. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:33:05 AM EDT
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Fire them, charge them.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:40:59 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Is that with or without pay? We couldn't be suspended without for more than 45 days. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Here is one from the LAPD. Lying officer with 3 substantiated commission misconduct issues is kept on force due to Nepotism. LAPD Chief Charlie Beck defends decision not to fire officer for lying Police Chief Charlie Beck has defended his decision to overrule a disciplinary board’s recommendation to fire a police officer with close family ties to the department, denying favoritism played a role in his determination. A Los Angeles Police Department disciplinary board found that Officer Shaun Hillman should be terminated for lack of integrity, stemming from an investigation into an off-duty incident at a Riverside County bar. Hillman was caught on tape using a racial slur during a late-night altercation in Norco but later denied it to LAPD investigators. The board advised that he be fired for lying in the investigation, not for the fight itself. Beck overruled the board’s decision, something he has done just twice in his term as the city’s top cop, and handed down a 65-day suspension instead. http://www.dailynews.com/government-and-politics/20140402/lapd-chief-charlie-beck-defends-decision-not-to-fire-officer-for-lying Damn! 65 days! I wonder if his dad is Deputy Chief Mike Hillman? Good guy. The troops like working for him. Is that with or without pay? We couldn't be suspended without for more than 45 days. I would assume without. The Chief can do what he pretty much wants. For us, anything over 30 days would be termination. I think the most I've seen someone do is 10 days without. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:42:06 AM EDT
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I would assume without. The Chief can do what he pretty much wants. For us, anything over 30 days would be termination. I think the most I've seen someone do is 10 days without. They used to hand out 30 days without like candy. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:48:29 AM EDT
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Somebody will defend that shit. Sickens me. No they won't. Nobody has. Fire em. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 6:49:25 AM EDT
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Look at that. 5 isolated incidents in one incident. HA! That there is funny. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 7:04:05 AM EDT
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Somebody will defend that shit. Sickens me. BS, there is not a single arfcop that will and you know it. Sickens me too, honesty and integrity seems to be a rare trait now days. |
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