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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:35:17 PM EDT
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or to figure out what happened and use that information to make sure it doesn't happen again. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:36:01 PM EDT
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I was listening to NPR covering the submersible's status. Found myself wondering the same thing and who picks up the tab?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:36:10 PM EDT
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The reason why is pretty important.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:36:15 PM EDT
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to figure out what happened and use that information to make sure it doesn't happen again. Don't let planes take off. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:38:03 PM EDT
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to figure out what happened and use that information to make sure it doesn't happen again. Don't let planes take off. If we can save just one life... |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:39:52 PM EDT
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They have to spend vast amounts of time and money to keep the illusion plausible.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:40:02 PM EDT
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when a mysterious plane flies into an iranian nuke facility and no one knows where it came from then you will know why we need to prove its on the ocean floor. kind of odd we know 2 fake passports were used on the same plane that has vanished from the face of the earth.....
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:40:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:46:37 PM EDT
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to find out why/what happened to avoid it in the future?
to give closure to the families who've been subject to fucked up tinfoil theories? I can't even imagine what it must be like to keep hearing they might be alive, they were taken hostage, etc... |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:52:45 PM EDT
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Seems like a huge waste to me Yep. It would be simpler, cheaper, to strip out all of the oxygen tanks and generators, wire the cabin vents open, and restrict flight above FL 12.  
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:02:53 PM EDT
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I was listening to NPR covering the submersible's status. Found myself wondering the same thing and who picks up the tab? Funny you should ask, as the liberals are squealing that airlines should be required to reimburse any search/rescue/recovery costs. Next they would be squealing about the fat cat 1% airlines doubling their ticket costs.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:04:00 PM EDT
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to figure out what happened and use that information to make sure it doesn't happen again. Don't let planes take off. If we can save just one life... Wouldn't have been such a mass loss of life if it weren't for those high capacity planes |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:06:10 PM EDT
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It'd be nice to know what happened, so we could maybe prevent it from happening to other airplanes.
It gives the Navy something to do. It's good to learn how to find important things in deep water. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:06:24 PM EDT
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do you think US vessels sitting in the middle of the ocean with nothing to do is free?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:07:04 PM EDT
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Seems like a huge waste to me It is. It's also what humans do. “Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.” Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:07:45 PM EDT
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with todays technology, it isn't supposed to be this hard
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:09:50 PM EDT
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We're not China
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:12:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: when a mysterious plane flies into an iranian nuke facility and no one knows where it came from then you will know why we need to prove its on the ocean floor. kind of odd we know 2 fake passports were used on the same plane that has vanished from the face of the earth..... There are plenty of less dramatic and attention-getting methods of acquiring an airplane for a clandestine operation such as you describe.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:14:18 PM EDT
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with todays technology, it isn't supposed to be this hard To find an airplane resting on the bottom in the middle of the open ocean? findmyiphone, right?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:16:22 PM EDT
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to find out why/what happened to avoid it in the future? to give closure to the families who've been subject to fucked up tinfoil theories? I can't even imagine what it must be like to keep hearing they might be alive, they were taken hostage, etc... Those, plus it's great real world training on our capabilities. I can ganuntee you tactics and technology will get updated from what they are doing now, even if they don't locate it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:27:23 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: god forbid your family goes missing. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like a huge waste to me |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:28:12 PM EDT
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Closure.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:30:56 PM EDT
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Perhaps, everything should come with a set price tag? Like in the movie.....
THX1138? Aloha, Mark |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 9:33:42 PM EDT
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IIRC, the airline will pay a good chunk of the cost, so will the aircraft manufacturer. I'm sure Boing is quite interested in WTF happened to it's airplane.
China has probably spent more on jet fuel than anyone, and they want to join the 1st world, which means you give two shits about your citizens. Much of arfcom, it would seem, wants to join the 3rd world. Maybe there is something to the Somali flags.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:42:11 PM EDT
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to figure out what happened and use that information to make sure it doesn't happen again. Don't let planes take off. If we can save just one life... You can save a hell of a lot more than one if you prevent one of these from crashing into something important due to some stupid, easily fixable mechanical defect. Whole lot of stupid in this thread. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:49:24 PM EDT
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In the age of modern commercial airline travel, we need to know why.
Its not the 30s or 40s anymore. "Disappeared" is just not acceptable. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:51:34 PM EDT
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Did they actually find it finally?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 11:38:15 PM EDT
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Did they actually find it finally? They're all but sitting on the search area, black boxes can only broadcast about 1.5 miles in good conditions, so even getting one hit on their sonar means they have a limited search area. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:15:49 AM EDT
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One of the most sophisticated, safest, high-tech planes in the world disappears into bumfuck nowhere, taking 300+ people with it.
That's not supposted to happen, to several decimal places. And we still don't know it is where we think it is. What if it happens again? We genuinely need to know what happened. The amount of $$ spent on finding it is probably less than the cost of the plane + legal settlements. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:43:19 AM EDT
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to figure out what happened and use that information to make sure it doesn't happen again. Don't let planes take off. If we can save just one life... Wouldn't have been such a mass loss of life if it weren't for those high capacity planes I hear there were children on that plane. Why does the OP hate children? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 12:46:22 AM EDT
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What are you talking about all this money? Have you seen the cost of the Obama's vacations?
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Posted: 4/16/2014 1:02:31 AM EDT
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One of the most sophisticated, safest, high-tech planes in the world disappears into bumfuck nowhere, taking 300+ people with it. That's not supposted to happen, to several decimal places. And we still don't know it is where we think it is. What if it happens again? We genuinely need to know what happened. The amount of $$ spent on finding it is probably less than the cost of the plane + legal settlements. The legal settlements alone are going to be close to, if not more than a billion. The search cost is nothing, it's just going to finger who pays. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 1:05:58 AM EDT
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They are looking in the wrong place. Mexico would be a good start
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Posted: 4/16/2014 1:26:03 AM EDT
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Yep. Very fucking stupid.
For what? To find what component failed or if pilots/passenger were assholes There gone man. Let it go. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:07:53 AM EDT
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to figure out what happened and use that information to make sure it doesn't happen again. Don't let planes take off. If we can save just one life... Wouldn't have been such a mass loss of life if it weren't for those high capacity planes 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:08:01 AM EDT
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They are looking in the wrong place. Mexico would be a good start Their staff is one kadam too tall? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:19:30 AM EDT
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There were Americans who didnt file their taxes on board. Somebody notify the IRS.
They'll find it.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:19:35 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: It is. It's also what humans do. "Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.” Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Seems like a huge waste to me It is. It's also what humans do. "Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.” Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers OK, the sheer weight of this dichotomy is hurting my brain. GD loves 'Starship Troopers.' GD has no empathy. For anyone... |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 3:54:55 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The legal settlements alone are going to be close to, if not more than a billion. The search cost is nothing, it's just going to finger who pays. EH.... that's a little steep. They've already set aside something like $130M in a fund for settlements. The families from countries with a civil law system most likely will not fare very well. The ability to recover more than what the treaties allow hinges on the fact that the plaintiffs must show the airline was negligent as opposed to the pilots acting intentionally. If the pilots are found to have acted intentionally. then the treaty maximums should apply. I THINK it was insured by Alliant, and I assume they are going to be arguing the crash was intentional and not an accident. There are so many quagmires in this debacle, it's going to be very interesting to see how the Malaysian courts deal with it all. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:16:56 AM EDT
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There gone man. Let it go. You can tell that to the families of those on that plane, including the 3 Americans. 
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:26:04 AM EDT
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Seems like a huge waste to me Sorry but this search/recovery is not the problem or responsibility of this country. I can see assisting with a search as a sign of good will for the first two weeks as this point it's a total waste of time and money. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:27:09 AM EDT
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Sorry but this search/recovery is not the problem or responsibility of this country. I can see assisting with a search as a sign of good will for the first two weeks as this point it's a total waste of time and money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a huge waste to me Sorry but this search/recovery is not the problem or responsibility of this country. I can see assisting with a search as a sign of good will for the first two weeks as this point it's a total waste of time and money. So what assets does this country have there? How much is is costing us? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 4:29:45 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Yep. Very fucking stupid. For what? To find what component failed or if pilots/passenger were assholes There gone man. Let it go. You were an asshole passenger that made a component fail. Im sure her living with all that knowledge of what happened will not cause her any more pain or anguish. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:13:57 AM EDT
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Yep. Very fucking stupid. For what? To find what component failed or if pilots/passenger were assholes There gone man. Let it go. You can't possibly be that stupid. You raise the possibility that it was a component failure, and then say it doesn't matter if we find out what happened? You know those components are flying in hundreds of other airliners every day, right? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:18:50 AM EDT
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OK, the sheer weight of this dichotomy is hurting my brain. GD loves 'Starship Troopers.' GD has no empathy. For anyone... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a huge waste to me It is. It's also what humans do. "Our behavior is different. How often have you seen a headline like this?--TWO DIE ATTEMPTING RESCUE OF DROWNING CHILD. If a man gets lost in the mountains, hundreds will search and often two or three searchers are killed. But the next time somebody gets lost just as many volunteers turn out. Poor arithmetic, but very human. It runs through all our folklore, all human religions, all our literature--a racial conviction that when one human needs rescue, others should not count the price.” Robert A. Heinlein, Starship Troopers OK, the sheer weight of this dichotomy is hurting my brain. GD loves 'Starship Troopers.' GD has no empathy. For anyone... Vaguely amusing, in a sad sort of way. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 5:19:49 AM EDT
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They need to send a bill.
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Posted: 4/16/2014 8:47:46 AM EDT
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Sorry but this search/recovery is not the problem or responsibility of this country. I can see assisting with a search as a sign of good will for the first two weeks as this point it's a total waste of time and money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Seems like a huge waste to me Sorry but this search/recovery is not the problem or responsibility of this country. I can see assisting with a search as a sign of good will for the first two weeks as this point it's a total waste of time and money. OTH, if the U.S. would have seized control of the investigation from the gitgo we might already know where MH370 is. Instead, anti-American exceptionalism sentiment let "less capable" Malaysia run with the ball...and they fumbled. |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 8:50:30 AM EDT
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Seems like a huge waste to me Sorry but this search/recovery is not the problem or responsibility of this country. I can see assisting with a search as a sign of good will for the first two weeks as this point it's a total waste of time and money. So what assets does this country have there? How much is is costing us? Have you seen per diem in Australia? |
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Posted: 4/16/2014 8:51:06 AM EDT
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Why take the time responding to the OP?
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Posted: 4/16/2014 8:52:16 AM EDT
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Seems like a huge waste to me Sorry but this search/recovery is not the problem or responsibility of this country. I can see assisting with a search as a sign of good will for the first two weeks as this point it's a total waste of time and money. So what assets does this country have there? How much is is costing us? Have you seen per diem in Australia? So you're saying the P-8 guys are still there? |
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