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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:46:32 AM EDT
I say Michael Keaton made the best movie Batman, and Jack Nicholson's Joker was perfect.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:47:13 AM EDT
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Yep.
Keaton will always be the best Batman and Jack will always be the best Joker. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 11:49:55 AM EDT
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I agree wholeheartedly. Joker wasn't just a twisted psychopath, he had a little bit of classiness. Ledger didn't nail that like Jack did.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:12:55 PM EDT
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Opinions of the best Batman and Joker are generational IMO. For example I think that Jack Nicholson's joker was hokey and cartoonish.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:14:42 PM EDT
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Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker.
Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:22:28 PM EDT
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Heath ledger transformed into another person. Jack was just...jack being jack.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:26:02 PM EDT
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Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker. Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. Agree on Ledger's Joker Concerning Afleck:  not sure if serious.jpg
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:29:18 PM EDT
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Agree on Ledger's Joker Concerning Afleck: not sure if serious.jpgQuote HistoryQuoted:
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Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker. Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. Agree on Ledger's Joker Concerning Afleck: not sure if serious.jpg |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:30:31 PM EDT
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Nope
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:31:06 PM EDT
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I think Keaton did a great job as Batman. I can't stand the gravely voices of the latest Batmans for some reason and am not a huge fan of the darker themes.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:31:39 PM EDT
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Agree on Keaton and Nicholson. Also a great soundtrack.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:32:00 PM EDT
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Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker. Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. Jennifer Garner agrees, everyone else not so much. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:33:16 PM EDT
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I like them both for different reasons. Both did a great job.
But the old Batman had Jack Nicholson AND Jack Palance. It's nigh impossible to beat that. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:35:37 PM EDT
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Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker. Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. Ledger's Joker was turned into an emo kid with daddy issues. If he hadn't died it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:37:40 PM EDT
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The animated series Batman with Kevin Conroy as Batman and Mark Hamill as the Joker is better. I just can't buy Keaton as a bad ass. I think he's a great actor but that's a stretch.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:38:14 PM EDT
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Opinions of the best Batman and Joker are generational IMO. For example I think that Jack Nicholson's joker was hokey and cartoonish. agreed. just rewatched the Keaton/Nicholson Batman. Keaton is not a superhero, & the Joker's behavior in the movie was wizzeak. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:45:03 PM EDT
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I think Keaton did a great job as Batman. I can't stand the gravely voices of the latest Batmans for some reason and am not a huge fan of the darker themes. I agree on the voice. I don't mind that it's darker and more serious, bkeut to me the voice just takes me right out of it. It's like cheesey, overdramatic cartoon voice acting. It makes me want to laugh more than take him serious. Hell the cheesey voice would have fit the Michael Keaton Batman better than the Christian Bale version. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:50:31 PM EDT
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I agree wholeheartedly. Joker wasn't just a twisted psychopath, he had a little bit of classiness. Ledger didn't nail that like Jack did. Nicholson was doing the comic book Joker, and he did an outstanding job. "Where does he get those wonderful toys?" "Bob, gun." Ledger was more a "reinterpretation". A good one at that, but he could take liberties with the character that Nicholson didn't. Keaton... <meh> |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:50:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Ledger's Joker was turned into an emo kid with daddy issues. If he hadn't died it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker. Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. Ledger's Joker was turned into an emo kid with daddy issues. If he hadn't died it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:53:06 PM EDT
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His death did bring more attention to the movie but the performance was a classic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker. Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. Ledger's Joker was turned into an emo kid with daddy issues. If he hadn't died it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. I won't deny he did a good job for how they wrote the part. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:56:24 PM EDT
[#20]
Mr. Mom is not Batman.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 12:58:20 PM EDT
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I agree wholeheartedly. Joker wasn't just a twisted psychopath, he had a little bit of classiness. Ledger didn't nail that like Jack did. It's like comparing apples and oranges. They both stand out in their own little niche. Keaton's Batman was quirky and kinda 60's comic book serious. Bale's is the dystopic, foreboding dark knight. They both shine. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:00:29 PM EDT
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Nope |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:03:18 PM EDT
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Ledger's performance made the movie
if I catch it on tv I end up watching the whole thing every single time and its not because of lispy bathhhman's acting Ledger's Joker is creepy as hell Jack's Joker is just.... Jack 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:08:10 PM EDT
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Yep. Keaton will always be the best Batman and Jack will always be the best Joker. For Sure. Joker, to me, was more megalomaniacal than a twisted psychotic. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:11:20 PM EDT
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I enjoyed them all, even the bad ones, in different ways. Won't even argue which Batman was "best"...
... but Clooney was the best/most believable "Bruce Wayne" (in terms of playing the comic book alter ego, convincing others that he was a spoiled playboy, incapable of heroics, etc.). Adam West did it well back in the day (even as campy as that show was), Clooney nailed it (and it pains me to praise him about anything!), and none of the others were even close in that regard. JMHO.  |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:13:56 PM EDT
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I enjoyed them all, even the bad ones, in different ways. Won't even argue which Batman was "best"... ... but Clooney was the best/most believable "Bruce Wayne" (in terms of playing the comic book alter ego, convincing others that he was a spoiled playboy, incapable of heroics, etc.). Adam West did it well back in the day (even as campy as that show was), Clooney nailed it (and it pains me to praise him about anything!), and none of the others were even close in that regard. JMHO.
What??? You mean Val Kilmer wasnt the best Bruce Wayne/Batman? 
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:17:56 PM EDT
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I like both Keaton's and Bale's versions of the Batman. Different batmen for different interpretations and feel.
I also enjoy the different jokers depending on the interpretation I want. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:18:25 PM EDT
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Bruce Wayne: It's Japanese.
Knox: How do you know? Bruce Wayne: Because I bought it in Japan. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:29:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:33:18 PM EDT
[#30]
I hated the Tim Burton films, thought his vision was goofy and too stylized. Did nothing for me.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:39:09 PM EDT
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I hated the Tim Burton films, thought his vision was goofy and too stylized. Did nothing for me. +1 Burton's Joker was, literally, clown shoes. There was more to like about Keaton as Batman, but he didn't pull off a very good Bruce Wayne. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:42:12 PM EDT
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Watched some of "Batman" recently. I don't think it help up well at all. As I was watching it, I was wondering, "Why did we like this so much. It's stupid."
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:43:29 PM EDT
[#33]
Heath > Jack
Bale > all other Batmans |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:53:16 PM EDT
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All we really had for reference for a "live" batman , and it's characters when the Keaton batman came along, was the campy tv series. Sure the really dark comics were out there, but nothing in live tv or movies.
I look at the Keaton version as being a transitional batman, one that was darker than the series, but that held fast to many of the visuals. It was a needed bridge to get to the really gritty batman movies that came later, I think Keaton, Nicholson and the others did an excellent job in providing that link. It worked, and made the really dark interpretations possible. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 1:59:47 PM EDT
[#35]
Agreed, OP.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:05:05 PM EDT
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I'd agree with that................there's room for both Jokers
Now if you want to talk terrible villains, The Riddler and Two-Face, played by Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones, were awful Quote HistoryQuoted:
I like both Keaton's and Bale's versions of the Batman. Different batmen for different interpretations and feel. I also enjoy the different jokers depending on the interpretation I want. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:22:51 PM EDT
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Keaton is not leading man material. Just a goofy guy for bit parts.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:30:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'd agree with that................there's room for both Jokers Now if you want to talk terrible villains, The Riddler and Two-Face, played by Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones, were awful Bad, yes... but not nearly as bad as Devito's Penguin IMO.  |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:31:00 PM EDT
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Yep. Keaton will always be the best Batman and Jack will always be the best Joker. QFT. How many good lines are there in any of the new Batman movies? Nothing like the 89 or 92 films. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:37:22 PM EDT
[#40]
FPNI.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:46:42 PM EDT
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Keaton's 5'9".
His portrayal was ok, just couldn't suspend my disbelief. Don't recall seeing any of the others. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:48:05 PM EDT
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I'd also agree with that as well
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Bad, yes... but not nearly as bad as Devito's Penguin IMO.
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I'd agree with that................there's room for both Jokers Now if you want to talk terrible villains, The Riddler and Two-Face, played by Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones, were awful Bad, yes... but not nearly as bad as Devito's Penguin IMO.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:50:38 PM EDT
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I'd also agree with that as well Quote HistoryQuoted:
I'd also agree with that as well Quoted:
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I'd agree with that................there's room for both Jokers Now if you want to talk terrible villains, The Riddler and Two-Face, played by Jim Carrey and Tommy Lee Jones, were awful Bad, yes... but not nearly as bad as Devito's Penguin IMO.
DeVito's Penguin really was terrible. What made that movie watchable was Michelle Pfieffer. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:51:33 PM EDT
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No way man. They've all been off with what is in my mind. Anyway Spawn would kick his ass all day long.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 2:57:33 PM EDT
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Heath ledger transformed into another person. Jack was just...jack being jack. This. Jack is a great actor, but he is a very good version of adam sandler; he plays himself in every movie. Heath ledger transformed himself into a whole other person, so much so he killed himself in the process. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 3:02:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hated the Tim Burton films, thought his vision was goofy and too stylized. Did nothing for me. Tim Burton movies are horrible. Every fucking one of them. I liked the new films a lot better.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 3:21:18 PM EDT
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Yep, I say it all the time Michael Keaton had a certain dark quality to his character than worked for me. I know Nicholson was in it, but I can't say I thought he was the best.
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Posted: 4/14/2014 3:35:28 PM EDT
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His death did bring more attention to the movie but the performance was a classic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Nobody will ever beat Ledger's Joker. Batman...eh, Afleck will make all the previous ones look like Adam West. Ledger's Joker was turned into an emo kid with daddy issues. If he hadn't died it wouldn't have been that big of a deal. I loved the part where he was trying to get the hospital to blow up, but the clacker wouldn't work. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 3:36:52 PM EDT
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...There was more to like about Keaton as Batman, but he didn't pull off a very good Bruce Wayne. Which is the correct performance. The alter ego is the millionaire playboy, and the true identity is Batman. |
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Posted: 4/14/2014 3:39:45 PM EDT
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Ledger IS The Joker
Jack was being Jack Keaton did a great Batman. I like him more then any other person before or since. 
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