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Posted: 4/12/2014 3:46:31 PM EDT
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Down in Arizona, Customs and Border Patrol catch marijuana smugglers all the time, if they don't have more than 500 pounds when the weed is weighed, the smugglers are driven back to the border and released as long as they are illegal Mexican nationals. The U.S. Attorney will not prosecute amounts smaller than 500 pounds (at least when I was living there until 2009).
But, be a U.S. citizen with a small amount, you plead guilty, get a record and pay fines, etc. or you are going to trial. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 3:47:21 PM EDT
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I feel so much safer now. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 3:48:08 PM EDT
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Pretty sure after gearing up and charging in, they will always "find something". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and they actually found weed. Last thread on this topic the cops were criticized for not finding weed. It's like whatever they do someone will criticize them. No dags were shot, wasn't a no knock warrant. She's better off buying her stuff with bitcoin from Silk Road In user quantities. They found no evidence of a grow operation. Pretty sure after gearing up and charging in, they will always "find something". Even if they have to put it there themselves... |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 3:50:11 PM EDT
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I feel so much safer now. I used to point out grow operations since I did a lot of travel in the woods. Around 20 years ago, I stopped that. |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 3:54:27 PM EDT
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So let me get this straight.
We can profile someone growing pot... But we can't profile: Drug dealers Terrorists Illegal immigrants Gang bangers Thieves Etc. Hmmmm... |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 4:10:28 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Kaminski wrote that he then sifted through Kirking's household trash, detecting "a strong odor of green cannabis" in one plastic trash bag, and compared her home's electrical bill to that of her neighbors, finding that it was higher. Another officer conducted a field test on a green plant stem, which allegedly tested positive for marijuana. That was enough for a judge to sign a warrant. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: "An application for a search warrant for a different Midwest Hydroganics customer, Tomczak noted, stated that police had found no evidence of marijuana plant residue in the trash -- and suggested that was evidence a suspect was covering up his marijuana grow."  I'm inviting the apologists posting in this thread to defend this. Not an apologist, but that part was for a different customer sunshine, not for this warrant. Read much? I'm fully aware that this was a different "customer." The word "different" is in the part that I quoted. Being a condescending ass is one thing when you're right, but there is nothing in my post to indicate to someone with fundamental reading comprehension skills that I thought the two were the same person. The other LEO who responded to my post managed to figure this out, so I think it's safe to say that the problem lies with you, not me. Do you have a comment on the tactic that I referred to, or are you just here trying to make us non-LEO types look stupid? "Sunshine?" |
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Posted: 4/12/2014 4:18:54 PM EDT
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Damn I just bought some perlite from a hydroponic store for cutting my tomato planter's soil with. Looks like Ill have to lock up my dog....
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Posted: 4/12/2014 4:21:14 PM EDT
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Sure that's all it took to get searched (sarcasm)
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Posted: 4/12/2014 4:56:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Did I ..... Not having evidence of a crime is evidence that a person is hiding a crime? Is that what that means? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: An application for a search warrant for a different Midwest Hydroganics customer, Tomczak noted, stated that police had found no evidence of marijuana plant residue in the trash -- and suggested that was evidence a suspect was covering up his marijuana grow. I shouldn't  but I can't help it.Did I ..... Not having evidence of a crime is evidence that a person is hiding a crime? Is that what that means? So now a NO answer to can I search your car is PC for a search because it's evidence your hiding something?
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Posted: 4/12/2014 5:06:51 PM EDT
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So now a NO answer to can I search your car is PC for a search because it's evidence your hiding something?
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An application for a search warrant for a different Midwest Hydroganics customer, Tomczak noted, stated that police had found no evidence of marijuana plant residue in the trash -- and suggested that was evidence a suspect was covering up his marijuana grow. I shouldn't but I can't help it.Did I ..... Not having evidence of a crime is evidence that a person is hiding a crime? Is that what that means? So now a NO answer to can I search your car is PC for a search because it's evidence your hiding something?
Yep. Once the standard is reached, it becomes the norm. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:11:29 AM EDT
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Yep. Once the standard is reached, it becomes the norm. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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An application for a search warrant for a different Midwest Hydroganics customer, Tomczak noted, stated that police had found no evidence of marijuana plant residue in the trash -- and suggested that was evidence a suspect was covering up his marijuana grow. I shouldn't but I can't help it.Did I ..... Not having evidence of a crime is evidence that a person is hiding a crime? Is that what that means? So now a NO answer to can I search your car is PC for a search because it's evidence your hiding something?
Yep. Once the standard is reached, it becomes the norm. It's no longer law enforcement, it's Tyranny enforcement. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:20:20 AM EDT
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is this the guy who the claimed had coffee or something that tested positive for field tests for pot?
Bullshit warrants even if not many hydroponic plant customers are growing tomatoes. Might be fun to go there on a Sat to try and fine the local cop on loan to the DEA spending his weekend peeking out of a Cavalier at the customers
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:20:29 AM EDT
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is it bad that im getting to the point where i wont care if more people start shooting at these alphabet soup assholes?
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:21:58 AM EDT
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I guess you blatantly ignored the rest of the PC. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More tough guy military cops with their guns drawn over a woman who bought organic fertilizer at a garden store. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/12/dea-marijuana-garden-store_n_5128771.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 I guess you blatantly ignored the rest of the PC. Oh who gives a shit? It's still a bunch of guys playing dress up and wasting everyones time and money. Don't they have anything better to do with their lives? Couldn't they try to be productive members of society instead of leaching off of it? |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:29:05 AM EDT
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More tough guy military cops with their guns drawn over a woman who bought organic fertilizer at a garden store. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/12/dea-marijuana-garden-store_n_5128771.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 Did you blatantly ignore the rest of the article and what it said? I'm still laughing at ARFCOM GD reading the huffington post. Cus they aren't biased... 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:31:55 AM EDT
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Everyday I take my trash outside and put it in the bed of my old pickup with a topper.
Every saturday I take my trash to the local transfer station for disposal. I don't have anything to hide, but if I did I know there would be no cops pilfering through my trash without a warrant. If they did they can kiss their case buh-bye. Just FYI for anyone it may be useful to. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:34:41 AM EDT
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What a crock of shit. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:41:27 AM EDT
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and they actually found weed. Last thread on this topic the cops were criticized for not finding weed. It's like whatever they do someone will criticize them. No dags were shot, wasn't a no knock warrant. She's better off buying her stuff with bitcoin from Silk Road They didn't find the grow op they were looking for. They found a gardener with a dime bag. I hope you won't bemoan the silence of the burnouts when the ATF is doing this shit to us. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:42:11 AM EDT
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They also looked at her energy usage? Heck, mine skyrocked in the winter months when my boiler couldn't be used to heat the house. Everything is OK now, but I had some electric heaters going (they suck up electricity like it's free) as well as burning up probably two cords of wood (next time I'll get more before winter). Do you garden? Prepare your anus and your dag's anus. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:42:43 AM EDT
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Finally back from working your standoff in Nevada? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More tough guy military cops with their guns drawn over a woman who bought organic fertilizer at a garden store. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/12/dea-marijuana-garden-store_n_5128771.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 I guess you blatantly ignored the rest of the PC. Finally back from working your standoff in Nevada? I rost! |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:49:27 AM EDT
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My electric bill was $365 last month. I must be a kingpin
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:00:28 PM EDT
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I think i'm an idiot.... Edited. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:09:20 PM EDT
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every fucking civilian is a suspect, not matter what their history. Just imagine if a grow light and some rolling papers are on your credit card history. NSA, DEA, and there's the warrant............. This shit is out of hand. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:13:09 PM EDT
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The police were doing this in Portland for years until a officer got killed.
The paralysed shooter managed to strangle himself with his hospital bed and didn't make it to court. Long article at the link. "Every month, officers downloaded the phone numbers of American Agriculture customers from the trap and trace device and used them to develop a list of suspect addresses. Police say they try to screen out law-abiding citizens by first checking electricity records for unusual power usage. Critics feel this, too, is an invasion of privacy. Normally, power companies consider these records so private that they will turn them over only to the subscriber. Moreover, a high electricity bill isn't evidence of a crime. After all, you could be using American Agriculture products to grow hydroponic tomatoes. After that initial screen comes the "knock and talk." Although the technique didn't get widespread publicity until the 1998 Steven Dons fiasco, in which Hudson and Keist were wounded and Officer Colleen Waibel was killed, Portland officers have been using it since 1985. Well over half the time, when a smooth-talking task-force officer ( like Schmautz, who studied acting ) knocks on a door, he's allowed inside." http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99.n286.a03.html |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:18:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:18:28 PM EDT
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Did you blatantly ignore the rest of the article and what it said? I'm still laughing at ARFCOM GD reading the huffington post. Cus they aren't biased... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More tough guy military cops with their guns drawn over a woman who bought organic fertilizer at a garden store. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/12/dea-marijuana-garden-store_n_5128771.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 Did you blatantly ignore the rest of the article and what it said? I'm still laughing at ARFCOM GD reading the huffington post. Cus they aren't biased... Did you blatantly ignore the part where they found nothing but a paltry amount (personal consumption levels) of marijuana? Nothing that would indicate she was growing marijuana which was the entire reason for their search. I am sure that if they could articulate entry into everyone's homes they would find at least something that on some level could be considered illegal enough to justify their actions. I had a wisdom tooth removed six months ago and I put my prescription meds, including Oxycontins in a daily pill holder so I could remember what I had to take and when. That is a crime....oh teh noes....prescription meds outside their prescription labeled containers!!!!! Aiiieeeeee the horror of it all. Not to mention my prescription oxy bottle was missing half the pills in the first day....that is another crime!!! Fucking DEA and most other law enforcement dickheads would want to put me in prison over it. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:25:58 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I guess you blatantly ignored the rest of the PC. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: More tough guy military cops with their guns drawn over a woman who bought organic fertilizer at a garden store. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/12/dea-marijuana-garden-store_n_5128771.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 I guess you blatantly ignored the rest of the PC. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:26:00 PM EDT
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You should feel ashamed to be in the same line of work as these fuck sticks. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More tough guy military cops with their guns drawn over a woman who bought organic fertilizer at a garden store. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/12/dea-marijuana-garden-store_n_5128771.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 I guess you blatantly ignored the rest of the PC. You should feel ashamed to be in the same line of work as these fuck sticks. He is a local police officer not a traitor govt goon. Dunno why he is even comparing himself to that. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:27:05 PM EDT
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Dbl post.
F those guys anyways |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:31:44 PM EDT
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They're both bad, but the scary one is the completely innocent family who was invaded in the middle of the night. I worry about that because I'd likely end up dead. If people come charging into my house at that hour it's hard to imagine I wouldn't just start shooting and end up getting gunned down. If that happens I wonder if they'd say "whoops" or if the search would turn up something illegal, probably planted, that they would use to justify the raid. Either way I'm no longer raising my kids. Whose to say your wife and kids didn't get caught in the crossfire? It's a shitty thing to have to bring up, but it's a very likely outcome with all the firepower the swat style raids bring with them. The fucked up part is that these no knock warrants have ended badly time and time again, but there's little to no consequences for the officers involved. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:32:53 PM EDT
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Kaminski wrote that he then sifted through Kirking's household trash, detecting "a strong odor of green cannabis" Maybe she was throwing away a wetsuit? Green Merchant was the first thing that came to mind when I read the thread title. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:53:09 PM EDT
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....... and the alcoholics said nothing, because they didn't smoke pot.
But then they outlawed alcohol, and there was no one left to protest..... |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 12:55:13 PM EDT
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is it bad that im getting to the point where i wont care if more people start shooting at these alphabet soup assholes? No, it's not. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:11:43 PM EDT
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....... and the alcoholics said nothing, because they didn't smoke pot. But then they outlawed alcohol, and there was no one left to protest..... They came for the Communists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Communist; They came for the Socialists, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Socialist; They came for the labor leaders, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a labor leader; They came for the Jews, and I didn't object - For I wasn't a Jew; Then they came for me - And there was no one left to object. Martin Niemoller, German Protestant Pastor, 1892-1984 |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:23:09 PM EDT
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chicken-shit
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:51:56 PM EDT
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"Its alleged yield from Kirking's art room, whose entrance is guarded by beads: 9.3 grams of marijuana, or less than one-third of an ounce."
That's enough to stone..... half of an anthill !!!!! OMGWTF!!!! She's the antmound kingpin we were looking for!! Nice catch , DEA, you've managed to justify your existence 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 2:58:36 PM EDT
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"Its alleged yield from Kirking's art room, whose entrance is guarded by beads: 9.3 grams of marijuana, or less than one-third of an ounce." That's enough to stone..... half of an anthill !!!!! OMGWTF!!!! She's the antmound kingpin we were looking for!! Nice catch , DEA, you've managed to justify your existence
Meanwhile they make deals with the cartels for exclusive distribution in Chicago. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:35:01 PM EDT
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I'm fucked!!!
I went to Cabela's AND the plumbing supply today!! My poor dag! 
More PC for bomb making than this lady for a grow operation. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:47:25 PM EDT
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Pretty sure after gearing up and charging in, they will always "find something". Quote HistoryQuoted:
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and they actually found weed. Last thread on this topic the cops were criticized for not finding weed. It's like whatever they do someone will criticize them. No dags were shot, wasn't a no knock warrant. She's better off buying her stuff with bitcoin from Silk Road In user quantities. They found no evidence of a grow operation. Pretty sure after gearing up and charging in, they will always "find something". they had to get it on man, they had to. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:56:02 PM EDT
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Too bad I live in CO; I'd go right out to a hydroponics store and buy fert. for my house plants. And no, I don't partake. .Mil frowns upon that.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:56:26 PM EDT
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iPotato double tap. I'd love to troll the shit out of those fuckers, since it's clear I don't use pot.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 3:58:10 PM EDT
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Have they started monitoring which shows you watch on tv? I wonder if watching a documentary on weed will result in a raid.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:00:06 PM EDT
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What judge would approve such a warrant, based off of lack of evidence being the evidence?
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:02:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:05:12 PM EDT
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If that was me, I'd sue the crap out of them and donate the proceeds to NORML.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:05:55 PM EDT
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Fuck the DEA.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:09:50 PM EDT
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Down in Arizona, Customs and Border Patrol catch marijuana smugglers all the time, if they don't have more than 500 pounds when the weed is weighed, the smugglers are driven back to the border and released as long as they are illegal Mexican nationals. The U.S. Attorney will not prosecute amounts smaller than 500 pounds (at least when I was living there until 2009). But, be a U.S. citizen with a small amount, you plead guilty, get a record and pay fines, etc. or you are going to trial. Hate to break the bad news to you, but that's not 100% accurate. There are charges that are generally filed at the local level. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:12:39 PM EDT
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Finally back from working your standoff in Nevada? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More tough guy military cops with their guns drawn over a woman who bought organic fertilizer at a garden store. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/12/dea-marijuana-garden-store_n_5128771.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 I guess you blatantly ignored the rest of the PC. Finally back from working your standoff in Nevada? Lol |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:21:28 PM EDT
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The police were doing this in Portland for years until a officer got killed. The paralysed shooter managed to strangle himself with his hospital bed and didn't make it to court. Long article at the link. "Every month, officers downloaded the phone numbers of American Agriculture customers from the trap and trace device and used them to develop a list of suspect addresses. Police say they try to screen out law-abiding citizens by first checking electricity records for unusual power usage. Critics feel this, too, is an invasion of privacy. Normally, power companies consider these records so private that they will turn them over only to the subscriber. Moreover, a high electricity bill isn't evidence of a crime. After all, you could be using American Agriculture products to grow hydroponic tomatoes. After that initial screen comes the "knock and talk." Although the technique didn't get widespread publicity until the 1998 Steven Dons fiasco, in which Hudson and Keist were wounded and Officer Colleen Waibel was killed, Portland officers have been using it since 1985. Well over half the time, when a smooth-talking task-force officer ( like Schmautz, who studied acting ) knocks on a door, he's allowed inside." http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99.n286.a03.html You don't have to be a gullible idiot to allow an officer inside your house to rule you out of an investigation. "Knock and Talk" is actually the RIGHT way to go about it IMO. It's certainly FAR better than smashing some families door in and shooting their dog based exclusively on an electric bill and a bag of dirt, or worse, the word of a "confidential" informant with a personal axe to grind. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 4:27:27 PM EDT
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What judge would approve such a warrant, based off of lack of evidence being the evidence? Granted my experience with the law is only family and tort cases, but in my experience roughly 1/3 of judges are fucking stoned themselves, and make rulings that make any logical person in the room who knows the law scratch their head and say "what the holy FUCK?" Judges throw JUST enough curveballs to ensure, for example, that if you don't come to family court with an attorney, you run a good chance of getting assfucked. Even if the other party is smoking a bowl, refuses to let the judge speak, and rants like the Unibomber about their position, which is 180 degrees diametrically opposed to what the law requires...... Seriously. There are just enough judges out there who rule in contrary to the law, and/or have their own agenda on the issues, that any trip into a courtroom, innocent or guilty, is about on par with playing Russian Roulette. Part of the reason an attorney is so necessary, is so you have someone a judge will actually listen to, who can remind the judge of what the fucking law is in the first place...... |
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