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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:15:13 PM EDT
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials."
Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.) |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:22:44 PM EDT
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.) 
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 6 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Edited: Now they're saying it was 6 trials. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:25:57 PM EDT
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Well at least they are reviewing the cases
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:36:36 PM EDT
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Well at least they are reviewing the cases They should be reviewing their damn resumes. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:42:04 PM EDT
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They should be reviewing their damn resumes. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Well at least they are reviewing the cases They should be reviewing their damn resumes. Unfortunately anyone involved most likely doesn't work there anymore. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:43:47 PM EDT
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:48:48 PM EDT
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. Yup. I am not longer an advocate except for extraordinary cases with incontrovertible proof. And even then... |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 12:50:53 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: "The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.) Some people just have a knack for being around when bad things happen.  |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 1:31:48 PM EDT
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Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.)
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Agreed........there is a whole lot of WTF going on at both the PD and the DA's office....... |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 1:36:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. Exactly. That so many people see the complete ineptitude of their government in every way, but are suddenly blind to it in that one area of social justice makes my head spin. Either that or they're just fine with executing innocent people once and a while, which is worse. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 1:38:12 PM EDT
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Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.)
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. They knew. They had to. They are throwing this one guy under the bus because they can save their own asses by doing so. They all knew. They all had to know. I'm not in that profession, and even I know that the odds of someone (who isn't LE) testifying at 5 murder trials with the same arresting officer...is outlandish. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:00:30 PM EDT
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. I lost my belief in the death penalty as soon as I started working with a DA's office. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:03:50 PM EDT
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I lost my belief in the death penalty as soon as I started working with a DA's office. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. I lost my belief in the death penalty as soon as I started working with a DA's office. I figure it would be different for a lot of people if they saw the sausage being made. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:06:34 PM EDT
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Exactly. That so many people see the complete ineptitude of their government in every way, but are suddenly blind to it in that one area of social justice makes my head spin. Either that or they're just fine with executing innocent people once and a while, which is worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. Exactly. That so many people see the complete ineptitude of their government in every way, but are suddenly blind to it in that one area of social justice makes my head spin. Either that or they're just fine with executing innocent people once and a while, which is worse. They are. The greater good. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 3:15:12 PM EDT
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Cleaning up the streets, one fabricated case at a time.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 4:22:43 PM EDT
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Putting that piece of shit in prison for the rest of his life would be a start.
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Posted: 4/10/2014 4:24:29 PM EDT
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I figure it would be different for a lot of people if they saw the sausage being made. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. I lost my belief in the death penalty as soon as I started working with a DA's office. I figure it would be different for a lot of people if they saw the sausage being made. I've often said, as a young man I wholeheartedly supported capital punishment; then I became a cop. After seeing "the man behind the curtain," no fucking way. After being exposed to the dog and pony show that is our criminal justice system, there's no way our government should be handing out irrevocable punishment, IMO. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 6:41:08 PM EDT
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Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.)
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Maybe she wore a different wig every time. |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 9:18:06 PM EDT
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Maybe she wore a different wig every time. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.)
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Maybe she wore a different wig every time. 
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Posted: 4/10/2014 10:02:50 PM EDT
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Not just the police and prosecutors--none of the defense attorneys thought to ask Teresa Gomez is she had ever been a witness before?
Shouldn't a rather basic search of a database have found this out? |
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Posted: 4/10/2014 10:03:57 PM EDT
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Not just the police and prosecutors--none of the defense attorneys thought to ask Teresa Gomez is she had ever been a witness before? Shouldn't a rather basic search of a database have found this out? Probably a public defender. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 5:35:18 PM EDT
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So basically asshole cop either framed people or just "knew in his gut" his suspect was guilty. Wanting to have an impressive arrest/conviction record and onvincing himself that he was doing the community a service (unless he was just a psycopath) he puts up his whore to perjure herself.
Yep, this is why i am nervouse whenever i have to encounter a cop. Maybe im nervous that he is gonna go into defcon1 if he finds out i am strapped and he interprets that my nervousness is me being guilty of the crime he is investigating... |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 5:40:00 PM EDT
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Exactly. That so many people see the complete ineptitude of their government in every way, but are suddenly blind to it in that one area of social justice makes my head spin. Either that or they're just fine with executing innocent people once and a while, which is worse. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. Exactly. That so many people see the complete ineptitude of their government in every way, but are suddenly blind to it in that one area of social justice makes my head spin. Either that or they're just fine with executing innocent people once and a while, which is worse. People who are for the death penalty are either ignorant or malevolent. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 5:44:23 PM EDT
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So basically asshole cop either framed people or just "knew in his gut" his suspect was guilty. Wanting to have an impressive arrest/conviction record and onvincing himself that he was doing the community a service (unless he was just a psycopath) he puts up his whore to perjure herself. Yep, this is why i am nervouse whenever i have to encounter a cop. Maybe im nervous that he is gonna go into defcon1 if he finds out i am strapped and he interprets that my nervousness is me being guilty of the crime he is investigating... Just don't pucker your asshole in New Mexico. |
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Posted: 4/11/2014 9:31:54 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/11/2014 10:08:37 PM EDT
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Just don't pucker your asshole in New Mexico. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So basically asshole cop either framed people or just "knew in his gut" his suspect was guilty. Wanting to have an impressive arrest/conviction record and onvincing himself that he was doing the community a service (unless he was just a psycopath) he puts up his whore to perjure herself. Yep, this is why i am nervouse whenever i have to encounter a cop. Maybe im nervous that he is gonna go into defcon1 if he finds out i am strapped and he interprets that my nervousness is me being guilty of the crime he is investigating... Just don't pucker your asshole in New Mexico. It's not puckering. It's furtive movements with the buttocks. 
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Posted: 5/6/2014 9:35:55 AM EDT
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UPDATE
3 Murder convictions tossed out Brooklyn prosecutors will move to clear three half-brothers convicted of murder in cases that date to the 1980s and were investigated by the same now-tainted detective, sources said Monday.
The convictions of Robert Hill, Alvena Jennette and Darryl Austin will be vacated Tuesday after evidence emerged that retired NYPD Detective Louis Scarcella used the same discredited, drug-addled informant to bring all three of them down. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 9:43:40 AM EDT
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So what's the honest chances of this detective getting felony charges?
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Posted: 5/6/2014 9:44:42 AM EDT
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So what's the honest chances of this detective getting felony charges? Probably the same chance as the crooked ADAs who handled the cases getting charges. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 9:44:55 AM EDT
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Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.)
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. We finally found the 1 bad cop and 1 bad DA! |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 9:51:16 AM EDT
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Sometimes it is hard to tell the criminals in a case .
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Posted: 5/6/2014 10:14:37 AM EDT
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We finally found the 1 bad cop and 1 bad DA! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.) Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. We finally found the 1 bad cop and 1 bad DA! I knew they'd finally get that one bad egg at the Brooklyn DA's Office. 
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Posted: 5/6/2014 10:27:09 AM EDT
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Yup. I am not longer an advocate except for extraordinary cases with incontrovertible proof. And even then... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is the sort of thing I think about when the subject of the death penalty comes up. Yup. I am not longer an advocate except for extraordinary cases with incontrovertible proof. And even then... Pretty much... |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 10:47:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Probably the same chance as the crooked ADAs who handled the cases getting charges. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So what's the honest chances of this detective getting felony charges? Probably the same chance as the crooked ADAs who handled the cases getting charges. A detective trots out the same "eyewitness" in multiple murder cases? C'mon, that shit does not happen without the complicity of the DA's office. Of course, once the ensuing investigation is completed, how high up the food chain do you really think it will have gone? Once people claw their way up high enough, they are insulated from the consequences of their wrongdoing. Every time the music stops, it's some flunky cop who's left without a chair... and the folks at the top all pat themselves on the back about how they "rooted out corruption". It's a joke. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 11:07:35 AM EDT
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So what's the honest chances of this detective getting felony charges? Probably the same chance as the crooked ADAs who handled the cases getting charges. Well, it's one of the reasons. 
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Posted: 5/6/2014 11:23:40 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well, it's one of the reasons. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So what's the honest chances of this detective getting felony charges? Probably the same chance as the crooked ADAs who handled the cases getting charges. Well, it's one of the reasons. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 11:55:26 AM EDT
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Hey now, let's not turn this into the Dr. Phil show. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So what's the honest chances of this detective getting felony charges? Probably the same chance as the crooked ADAs who handled the cases getting charges. Well, it's one of the reasons. Pleeeeeaaase...  I would surely love to get you drunk and talking. I'd probably never sleep again, but it would be worth it.
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Posted: 5/6/2014 12:31:19 PM EDT
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By the time Thompson took office, the number of Scarcella cases under review had reached 57. There were also more than 20 other non-Scarcella potential wrongful convictions under review. The office has added more cases to the list in the months since. In all, the Conviction Review Unit is currently looking into 90 cases. This is going to be interesting. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 12:36:30 PM EDT
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Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.)
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Seriously, WTF?? 
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Posted: 5/6/2014 3:16:21 PM EDT
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Seriously, WTF?? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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"The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.)
Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Seriously, WTF?? What? That's not normal?
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Posted: 5/6/2014 5:17:31 PM EDT
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Why would an officer/DA do this?
Dallas TX is the king of wrongful convictions it seems. I've often wondered if the folks involved with the system hung charges on the folks because they thought that they were guilty of something just as bad. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 5:18:57 PM EDT
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Past isolated incidents.
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Posted: 5/6/2014 5:28:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What? That's not normal? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: "The letter reveals that prosecutors were reluctant to make an arrest in the case without eyewitnesses — and that’s when Scarcella turned to Teresa Gomez, who has testified in five of his trials." Wow, she just happened to be in the right place, at the right time... a lot. Luuuucky. (If this were a movie, the next scene would be an NYPD Harbor unit fishing Teresa Gomez's body out of the water.) Seriously though, no one at the DA's Office thought it was strange that this woman was an eyewitness in 5 homicide trials? Sounds like the cop isn't the only one who should be in hot water. Seriously, WTF?? What? That's not normal? |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 5:36:35 PM EDT
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Why would an officer/DA do this? If you're a homicide detective you're judged on whether or not you close cases. ADAs are judged on whether or not they get convictions. If you don't do what's expected you don't move up. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 5:58:12 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If you're a homicide detective you're judged on whether or not you close cases. ADAs are judged on whether or not they get convictions. If you don't do what's expected you don't move up. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Why would an officer/DA do this? If you're a homicide detective you're judged on whether or not you close cases. ADAs are judged on whether or not they get convictions. If you don't do what's expected you don't move up. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 6:18:11 PM EDT
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Why would an officer/DA do this? If you're a homicide detective you're judged on whether or not you close cases. ADAs are judged on whether or not they get convictions. If you don't do what's expected you don't move up. I believe GD calls them "Ghetto Goblins". |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 6:23:19 PM EDT
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Why would an officer/DA do this? If you're a homicide detective you're judged on whether or not you close cases. ADAs are judged on whether or not they get convictions. If you don't do what's expected you don't move up. Wow! And thank you both very much for the insight. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 6:35:17 PM EDT
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Brooklyn family became whole Tuesday when prosecutors dismissed murder convictions against three brothers who spent decades in prison for two separate homicides.
“I feel real good,” Louise Austin said after her sons were proclaimed innocent. All three were brought down by the same drug-addicted witness who has been used repeatedly by a now-tainted detective whose cases are under review. “It is clear that testimony from the same problematic witness undermined the integrity of these convictions, and resulted in an unfair trial for each of these defendants,” district attorney Kenneth Thompson said in a statement. In the Jennette and Austin trial, Gomez’s testimony was so bizarre, a lawyer requested urine analysis during the proceedings. To make matters worse, prosecutors had a witness who named another shooter, but his account was never turned over until it was recently uncovered in the case file. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 8:19:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Wow! And thank you both very much for the insight. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why would an officer/DA do this? If you're a homicide detective you're judged on whether or not you close cases. ADAs are judged on whether or not they get convictions. If you don't do what's expected you don't move up. Wow! And thank you both very much for the insight. |
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Posted: 5/6/2014 8:27:27 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Fucked up, isn't it? It takes a special kind of evil to conspire to put someone in prison for something they didn't do. IMO, it's almost worse than just outright murdering them. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Why would an officer/DA do this? If you're a homicide detective you're judged on whether or not you close cases. ADAs are judged on whether or not they get convictions. If you don't do what's expected you don't move up. And the people that they were railroading were people that no one would care about or believe. Wow! And thank you both very much for the insight. Fucked up, isn't it? It takes a special kind of evil to conspire to put someone in prison for something they didn't do. IMO, it's almost worse than just outright murdering them. There's an argument for it being worse actually. Kill somebody and you take all that they are or will be in one possibly painless act. What happened here is worse, much worse. You take everything away from someone, not in an instant, but in tiny, excruciating pieces, one day at a time. These people haven't had just pieces of time taken away, but their potential, and that of everyone around them that would have been a part of their lives. Every day a new cut, another slice gone, flensed to feed the machine. |
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