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Posted: 8/8/2014 11:36:24 AM EDT
[#1]
Quote HistoryQuoted: OK, so 11:59 p.m. on 8/20 is the real deadline by which something will or will not be filed (unless SIG or ATF release information about a resolution earlier than that). Yes, that is how I read the order.
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Posted: 9/11/2014 2:59:22 AM EDT
[#2]
Any update?
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Posted: 9/11/2014 3:27:57 AM EDT
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Any update? negative |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 3:29:37 AM EDT
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Any update? negative 
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Posted: 9/11/2014 10:35:19 AM EDT
[#5]
Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday.
I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf The Parties have been working to meet these deadlines, and have agreeably
allowed for adjustments in the schedule of submissions. ATF recently provided Sig Sauer with the results of its re-examination of the muzzle device. In its letter, ATF once again classified Sig Sauer's submitted device as a "firearm silencer," rejecting Sig Sauer's contention that the device is instead a"muzzle brake." Sig Sauer is preparing a response, which will be submitted on or before September 19,2014. Unless ATF changes its position, the Parties anticipate that this matter will make its way back before the Court. ...snip.... a. The Court will extend the stay of litigation for a period of forty five (45) additional days, until November l,2014. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:28:28 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday. I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf Quote HistoryQuoted: Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday. I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf The Parties have been working to meet these deadlines, and have agreeably allowed for adjustments in the schedule of submissions. ATF recently provided Sig Sauer with the results of its re-examination of the muzzle device. In its letter, ATF once again classified Sig Sauer's submitted device as a "firearm silencer," rejecting Sig Sauer's contention that the device is instead a"mtJzzle brake." Sig Sauer is preparing a response, which will be submitted on or before September 19,2074. Unless ATF changes its position, the Parties anticipate that this matter will make its way back before the Court. ...snip.... a. The Court will extend the stay of litigation for a period of forty five (45) additional days, until November l,2014. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:29:25 AM EDT
[#7]
Thanks for the update.
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:34:56 AM EDT
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2074 lol? Really? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday. I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf The Parties have been working to meet these deadlines, and have agreeably
allowed for adjustments in the schedule of submissions. ATF recently provided Sig Sauer with the results of its re-examination of the muzzle device. In its letter, ATF once again classified Sig Sauer's submitted device as a "firearm silencer," rejecting Sig Sauer's contention that the device is instead a"mtJzzle brake." Sig Sauer is preparing a response, which will be submitted on or before September 19,2074. Unless ATF changes its position, the Parties anticipate that this matter will make its way back before the Court. ...snip.... a. The Court will extend the stay of litigation for a period of forty five (45) additional days, until November l,2014. it's either a typo, or a massively stupid legal ploy. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:44:17 AM EDT
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it's either a typo, or a massively stupid legal ploy. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday. I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf The Parties have been working to meet these deadlines, and have agreeably
allowed for adjustments in the schedule of submissions. ATF recently provided Sig Sauer with the results of its re-examination of the muzzle device. In its letter, ATF once again classified Sig Sauer's submitted device as a "firearm silencer," rejecting Sig Sauer's contention that the device is instead a"mtJzzle brake." Sig Sauer is preparing a response, which will be submitted on or before September 19,2074. Unless ATF changes its position, the Parties anticipate that this matter will make its way back before the Court. ...snip.... a. The Court will extend the stay of litigation for a period of forty five (45) additional days, until November l,2014. it's either a typo, or a massively stupid legal ploy. Bad OCR in the hidden text, I'll edit it. |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:46:54 AM EDT
[#10]
I think the ATF is more likely to lose this case than the Form 1 machinegun cases that will brought soon. They should have cut their losses.
http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1624460_ATF_ruling_may_have_opened_door_to_new_machine_guns__Pg9_Form_1_APPROVED_Pg18_ATF_call_audio.html |
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Posted: 9/11/2014 11:56:53 AM EDT
[#11]
If Sig just received the ATF findings recently it makes sense that they will need some time to compile a case against the crayon engineering needed to support the suppressor finding.
In golf its called a back swing. My bet is that the Sig muzzle brakes are going to be legal and for sale on Black Friday!!!
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Posted: 9/12/2014 10:37:01 AM EDT
[#12]
http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/09/12/sigs-dispute-batfe-mpx-muzzle-brake-continues/
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:12:27 PM EDT
[#13]
11 13 days left.
ETA: a few more documents filed. 10/08 Amended compliant (Sig Sauer) 10/20 Motion to extend time to Nov. 3 (ATF) 10/20 answer to Amended complaint (by ATF) |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:21:05 PM EDT
[#14]
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The only gun on my wishlist is the MPX-C with the muzzle break.  yep. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:37:14 PM EDT
[#15]
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11 13 days left. ETA: a few more documents filed. 10/08 Amended compliant (Sig Sauer) 10/20 Motion to extend time to Nov. 3 (ATF) 10/20 answer to Amended complaint (by ATF) Any links to the documents? Shocking the ATF needed more time for their nonsense. 
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:51:08 PM EDT
[#16]
I'm not on my main computer , but I'll try to post a link to the documents.
excerpt doc 10 (Sig Sauer amended motion) 23. In an undated letter from Earl Griffith, Chief, ATF Firearms Technology Branch, to
Sig Sauer, received by Sig Sauer on August 13, 2014, ATF reaffirmed its prior decision that the device “is intended only for use in the assembly or fabrication of a silencer and, therefore, is a ‘firearm silencer’ . . . .” 24. ATF conducted sound-meter testing and found that use of the Sig Sauer device “result[ed] in an increase of 2.41, 1.17, and 1.45 decibels to the side, front and rear of the firearm.” ATF Letter, p. 15. 25. ATF listed ten design characteristics, including household items like washers and steel wool, it believes are commonly found in conventional firearm silencers. Letter p. 4. ATF conceded that “a silencer may be produced from a conventional muzzle brake when other parts are added . . . .” Letter p. 9. 26. ATF did not dispute that the Sig Sauer device is an effective muzzle brake in that it diminishes recoil and muzzle rise. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:57:08 PM EDT
[#17]
Go Sig Go!!!!!
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Posted: 10/20/2014 10:57:45 PM EDT
[#18]
Quote HistoryQuoted: That is what has never made sense, barrel length has a huge effect on sound levels. If I made a gun with a 100" barrel, then cut that barrel down and added a 'suppressor' that only lowered its noise to its original level, then whats the difference? Federal law and a few feet of barrel. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:10:48 PM EDT
[#19]
Documents are at my Scribd account. Let me know if the links don't work.
14-Cv-00147-d-11-First-Amended-Complaint 14-Cv-00147-D-12-Motion-to-Extend-Time 14-Cv-00147-D-13-Answer-to-Plaintiffs-First-Amended-Complaint ETA: fixing first link |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:23:25 PM EDT
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I don't know, but I like it. Even if they don't win, they'll make up the lawyer fees from people buying Sig stuff because they like this kind of thing. Brilliant marketing/publicity move on their part. I will likely be one of them.
I hope this kicks off an arms race among gun manufacturers of who can fuck with the ATF the most. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What happened at Sig? It's as if one day they had a meeting and said, "You know what? Fuck the ATF." I don't know, but I like it. Even if they don't win, they'll make up the lawyer fees from people buying Sig stuff because they like this kind of thing. Brilliant marketing/publicity move on their part. I will likely be one of them.
I hope this kicks off an arms race among gun manufacturers of who can fuck with the ATF the most. Me too. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:43:13 PM EDT
[#21]
A key item missing for the Documents is the Atf's second review letter by Earl Griffith,Chief, ATF Firearms Technology Branch, of the Muzzle Brake.
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:53:47 PM EDT
[#22]
Thats only a few years before the great war.
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2074 lol? Really? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday. I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf The Parties have been working to meet these deadlines, and have agreeably
allowed for adjustments in the schedule of submissions. ATF recently provided Sig Sauer with the results of its re-examination of the muzzle device. In its letter, ATF once again classified Sig Sauer's submitted device as a "firearm silencer," rejecting Sig Sauer's contention that the device is instead a"mtJzzle brake." Sig Sauer is preparing a response, which will be submitted on or before September 19,2074. Unless ATF changes its position, the Parties anticipate that this matter will make its way back before the Court. ...snip.... a. The Court will extend the stay of litigation for a period of forty five (45) additional days, until November l,2014. |
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Posted: 10/20/2014 11:56:03 PM EDT
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Thats only a few years before the great war. Quote HistoryQuoted:
Thats only a few years before the great war. Quoted:
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Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday. I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf The Parties have been working to meet these deadlines, and have agreeably
allowed for adjustments in the schedule of submissions. ATF recently provided Sig Sauer with the results of its re-examination of the muzzle device. In its letter, ATF once again classified Sig Sauer's submitted device as a "firearm silencer," rejecting Sig Sauer's contention that the device is instead a"mtJzzle brake." Sig Sauer is preparing a response, which will be submitted on or before September 19,2074. Unless ATF changes its position, the Parties anticipate that this matter will make its way back before the Court. ...snip.... a. The Court will extend the stay of litigation for a period of forty five (45) additional days, until November l,2014. You're giving it that long? Anyways, I hope sig comes though. I sure would like a MPX-C
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:36:14 AM EDT
[#24]
Morning bump.
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Posted: 10/21/2014 8:42:04 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Documents are at my Scribd account. Let me know if the links don't work. 14-Cv-00147-d-11-First-Amended-Complaint 14-Cv-00147-D-12-Motion-to-Extend-Time 14-Cv-00147-D-13-Answer-to-Plaintiffs-First-Amended-Complaint ETA: fixing first link |
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Posted: 11/3/2014 4:40:31 PM EDT
[#26]
November 3rd bump. Any news?
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Posted: 11/8/2014 11:42:45 AM EDT
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November 3rd bump. Any news? i dunno i'm bumping for people with the info to update us |
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Posted: 11/19/2014 2:55:42 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: i dunno i'm bumping for people with the info to update us Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: November 3rd bump. Any news? i dunno i'm bumping for people with the info to update us |
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Posted: 11/19/2014 5:52:23 PM EDT
[#29]
11/03/2014 Doc 14: Notice (Other) : Notice of conventional filling. - states that files will be filed conventionally, both in paper, where possible, and on DVD.
11/03/2014 entered 11/06/2014 Doc 15 "Adminstrative Record-Generic" ( I have no idea what that means, no document avaliable to download) 11/13/2014 Notice of Pretrial Conference ( no document avaliable to download) |
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Posted: 11/19/2014 7:51:49 PM EDT
[#30]
Thanks for the update. No need for a pretrial meeting if Sig had droped the case. Nice to see it is still alive. I was beginning to worry.
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Posted: 12/15/2014 6:04:48 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 11/03/2014 Doc 14: Notice (Other) : Notice of conventional filling. - states that files will be filed conventionally, both in paper, where possible, and on DVD. 11/03/2014 entered 11/06/2014 Doc 15 "Adminstrative Record-Generic" ( I have no idea what that means, no document avaliable to download) 11/13/2014 Notice of Pretrial Conference ( no document avaliable to download) 12/02/2014 Report of Parties Planning Meeting TRACK ASSIGNMENT: Administrative - 6 months. The parties agree that this case should be assigned to the administrative track, with the expectation that the matter will be ready for trial approximately 6 months after the preliminary pretrial conference scheduled for December 16, 2014. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 6:57:56 PM EDT
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You're giving it that long? Anyways, I hope sig comes though. I sure would like a MPX-C Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Thats only a few years before the great war. Quoted:
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Joint motion to extend the stay filed yesterday. I'll try to post a link. Scribd: JOINT MOTION TO EXTEND THE STAY OF LITIGATION AND AMEND SCHEDULE pdf The Parties have been working to meet these deadlines, and have agreeably
allowed for adjustments in the schedule of submissions. ATF recently provided Sig Sauer with the results of its re-examination of the muzzle device. In its letter, ATF once again classified Sig Sauer's submitted device as a "firearm silencer," rejecting Sig Sauer's contention that the device is instead a"mtJzzle brake." Sig Sauer is preparing a response, which will be submitted on or before September 19,2074. Unless ATF changes its position, the Parties anticipate that this matter will make its way back before the Court. ...snip.... a. The Court will extend the stay of litigation for a period of forty five (45) additional days, until November l,2014. You're giving it that long? Anyways, I hope sig comes though. I sure would like a MPX-C I think he's making a reference to a common year picked for a fictional world war, usually placed in 2084. For example, Ayreon's 2084 song - https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=2&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=0CCUQtwIwAQ&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DjqBZ87YjEic&ei=0maPVKeHINOSyASw1ICYDA&usg=AFQjCNHQm9yB4QrOCp2Ha4U9rGcey-1C6g&sig2=VHTJaSojKVB34D57vcIXnA&bvm=bv.81828268,d.aWw |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:04:12 PM EDT
[#33]
2084 Robotron War.......
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Posted: 12/15/2014 10:57:20 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: 11/03/2014 Doc 14: Notice (Other) : Notice of conventional filling. - states that files will be filed conventionally, both in paper, where possible, and on DVD. 11/03/2014 entered 11/06/2014 Doc 15 "Adminstrative Record-Generic" ( I have no idea what that means, no document avaliable to download) 11/13/2014 Notice of Pretrial Conference ( no document avaliable to download) 12/02/2014 Report of Parties Planning Meeting TRACK ASSIGNMENT: Administrative - 6 months. The parties agree that this case should be assigned to the administrative track, with the expectation that the matter will be ready for trial approximately 6 months after the preliminary pretrial conference scheduled for December 16, 2014.  I'm not seeing anything in this case that should take ANOTHER 6 months. |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 10:58:58 PM EDT
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http://michellawyers.com/sig-sauer-v-batfe-new-hampshire/ 12/02/2014 Report of Parties Planning Meeting [div style='margin-left: 40px;']TRACK ASSIGNMENT: Administrative - 6 months. The parties agree that this case should be assigned to the administrative track, with the expectation that the matter will be ready for trial approximately 6 months after the preliminary pretrial conference scheduled for December 16, 2014. I'm not seeing anything in this case that should take ANOTHER 6 months.
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11/03/2014 Doc 14: Notice (Other) : Notice of conventional filling. - states that files will be filed conventionally, both in paper, where possible, and on DVD. 11/03/2014 entered 11/06/2014 Doc 15 "Adminstrative Record-Generic" ( I have no idea what that means, no document avaliable to download) 11/13/2014 Notice of Pretrial Conference ( no document avaliable to download) 12/02/2014 Report of Parties Planning Meeting [div style='margin-left: 40px;']TRACK ASSIGNMENT: Administrative - 6 months. The parties agree that this case should be assigned to the administrative track, with the expectation that the matter will be ready for trial approximately 6 months after the preliminary pretrial conference scheduled for December 16, 2014. I'm not seeing anything in this case that should take ANOTHER 6 months.
It will take that long to cut Sig some new gov't contracts which will make them drop the case? 
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Posted: 1/13/2015 6:51:31 PM EDT
[#36]
Some more document have been filed. I'll post links in a few hours.
Both parties filed documents for Summary Judgement. ETA: I'll Save my Pacer account and link to the documents at michellawyers.com/sig-sauer-v-batfe-new-hampshire/: TRIAL NOTICE: Bench Trial set for the two-week period beginning 6/2/2015 09:00 AM before Judge Paul J. Barbadoro. Final Pretrial Conference set for 5/22/2015 02:00 PM before Judge Paul J. Barbadoro. Pretrial Statements due 5/4/2015. LR 16.2(d) Objections due 5/18/2015. Summary Judgment Motions due by 1/9/2015.(js) Sig-Sauer-v.-BATFE_Index-to-Administrative-Record.pdf (12/15/2014) Sig-Sauer-v.-BATFE_Defendants-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment1.pdf (01/09/2015) Sig-Sauer-v.-BATFE_Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment-and-Request-for-Oral-Argument.pdf (01/09/2015) |
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Posted: 2/20/2015 2:49:09 PM EDT
[#37]
Objections to Motions for Summary Judgements
Plaintiffs-Objections-to-Defendants-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-09-2015) Assented-To-Motion-for-Leave-to-Late-File-Defendants-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-10-2015) Defendants-Memorandum-In-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-11-2015) |
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Posted: 2/20/2015 5:46:44 PM EDT
[#38]
That's a pretty solid case Sig laid out. I like our odds.
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Posted: 2/20/2015 5:50:37 PM EDT
[#39]
I look forward to sig winning this and an industry of "double threaded muzzle brakes" starting up because of it, where you buy the tax stamped metal sleeve for a nominal value, especially where they design it so the sleeve fits multiple caliber "muzzle brakes".
BATF is trying hard to pretend that "only" word isn't in the definition. |
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Posted: 2/20/2015 5:51:11 PM EDT
[#40]
Good luck, SIG.
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Posted: 2/20/2015 5:55:57 PM EDT
[#41]
Thanks for the update.
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Posted: 2/20/2015 5:55:58 PM EDT
[#42]
Well we are still waiting but I love the mental and verbal gymnastics these kinds of cases bring out from the ATF
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Posted: 2/20/2015 6:08:46 PM EDT
[#43]
Fine work by Sig's attorneys. That is some good lawyering.
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Posted: 2/20/2015 7:50:02 PM EDT
[#44]
Quote HistoryQuoted:
Objections to Motions for Summary Judgements Plaintiffs-Objections-to-Defendants-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-09-2015) Assented-To-Motion-for-Leave-to-Late-File-Defendants-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-10-2015) Defendants-Memorandum-In-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-11-2015) It's a shame that Sig Sauer has to go to these lengths, but they have done an excellent job of making their case. By contrast, the ATF, although articulate in their response, seems to be claiming that they can read minds. By their reasoning, a person who has both ammonia and bleach in their home is a terrorist with plans to kill children with poison gas. As an organization, they seem to be having paranoid delusions. Is ATF run by meth heads? |
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Posted: 2/20/2015 8:04:06 PM EDT
[#45]
Looks like I need to start supporting Sig.
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Posted: 2/20/2015 8:14:36 PM EDT
[#46]
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Looks like I need to start supporting Sig. buy a p250 and then 3d print a lower http://www.printedfirearm.com 
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Posted: 2/20/2015 8:18:53 PM EDT
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It's a shame that Sig Sauer has to go to these lengths, but they have done an excellent job of making their case. By contrast, the ATF, although articulate in their response, seems to be claiming that they can read minds. By their reasoning, a person who has both ammonia and bleach in their home is a terrorist with plans to kill children with poison gas. As an organization, they seem to be having paranoid delusions. Is ATF run by meth heads? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Objections to Motions for Summary Judgements Plaintiffs-Objections-to-Defendants-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-09-2015) Assented-To-Motion-for-Leave-to-Late-File-Defendants-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-10-2015) Defendants-Memorandum-In-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-11-2015) It's a shame that Sig Sauer has to go to these lengths, but they have done an excellent job of making their case. By contrast, the ATF, although articulate in their response, seems to be claiming that they can read minds. By their reasoning, a person who has both ammonia and bleach in their home is a terrorist with plans to kill children with poison gas. As an organization, they seem to be having paranoid delusions. Is ATF run by meth heads? It wreaks of bracedom, does it not? I see Sig shoving this down their throats, just because; Ya know. |
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Posted: 2/20/2015 8:28:30 PM EDT
[#48]
This would make suppresors cheaper and easier to get
For ones only take a month or so with Efile Quote HistoryQuoted: I look forward to sig winning this and an industry of "double threaded muzzle brakes" starting up because of it, where you buy the tax stamped metal sleeve for a nominal value, especially where they design it so the sleeve fits multiple caliber "muzzle brakes". BATF is trying hard to pretend that "only" word isn't in the definition. |
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Posted: 2/21/2015 11:19:10 AM EDT
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It wreaks of bracedom, does it not? I see Sig shoving this down their throats, just because; Ya know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Objections to Motions for Summary Judgements Plaintiffs-Objections-to-Defendants-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-09-2015) Assented-To-Motion-for-Leave-to-Late-File-Defendants-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-10-2015) Defendants-Memorandum-In-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-11-2015) It's a shame that Sig Sauer has to go to these lengths, but they have done an excellent job of making their case. By contrast, the ATF, although articulate in their response, seems to be claiming that they can read minds. By their reasoning, a person who has both ammonia and bleach in their home is a terrorist with plans to kill children with poison gas. As an organization, they seem to be having paranoid delusions. Is ATF run by meth heads? It wreaks of bracedom, does it not? I see Sig shoving this down their throats, just because; Ya know. Home Depot is operating a silencer/zipgun/bomb parts distribution center. Better shut it down. 
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Posted: 2/21/2015 2:46:44 PM EDT
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It wreaks of bracedom, does it not? I see Sig shoving this down their throats, just because; Ya know. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Objections to Motions for Summary Judgements Plaintiffs-Objections-to-Defendants-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-09-2015) Assented-To-Motion-for-Leave-to-Late-File-Defendants-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-10-2015) Defendants-Memorandum-In-Objection-to-Plaintiffs-Motion-for-Summary-Judgment.pdf(2-11-2015) It's a shame that Sig Sauer has to go to these lengths, but they have done an excellent job of making their case. By contrast, the ATF, although articulate in their response, seems to be claiming that they can read minds. By their reasoning, a person who has both ammonia and bleach in their home is a terrorist with plans to kill children with poison gas. As an organization, they seem to be having paranoid delusions. Is ATF run by meth heads? It wreaks of bracedom, does it not? I see Sig shoving this down their throats, just because; Ya know. I'm grateful for what Sig is doing. This is not a mere case of "sticking it to the man". Sig's actions will hopefully result in court rulings that will help curb ATF abuses. |
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