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Posted: 3/28/2014 2:29:32 PM EDT
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Super cool, lots of cash and time to recover her. Glad they were able to get flying again.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 2:31:29 PM EDT
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Then the front fell off
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Posted: 3/28/2014 2:48:38 PM EDT
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That was not an inexpensive undertaking. I wonder how much it cost?
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:13:58 PM EDT
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Amazing accomplishment.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:20:41 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:26:40 PM EDT
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That was not an inexpensive undertaking. I wonder how much it cost? ALOT but slightly cheaper than buying a new BT-67 conversion or a used one I would think. They could have easily walked away and left it for good..... but big kudos for saving the plane. Pretty amazing job considering the damage, logistics involved. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:38:37 PM EDT
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Here's the recovery of the other ALCI BT-67, C-GEAJ, "Mia" in 2009.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MOwQuQfquRI |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:42:40 PM EDT
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Pretty cool video about guys doing an amazing job recovering the aircraft! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ruArctYYbM On 20 Dec 2012 C-GEAI was damaged at Antarctica when it hit a snowdrift whilst taking off. A salvaging job started during end of 2013 it was completed in Jan 2014. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:44:24 PM EDT
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Wow, somebody really wanted that plane back. Somebody with money and excellent project management skills.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:45:38 PM EDT
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That was BADASS!!!!!!!!!!!
I especially love the "Keep Calm and Rivet On" sticker from The Yardstore.com. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:45:49 PM EDT
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Wow, somebody really wanted that plane back. Somebody with money and excellent project management skills. Like it was posted before, it was cheaper to recover it in Antarctica than have Basler build another BT-67. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:48:30 PM EDT
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I know some of those guys.
I've got a lot of running around to do on Sunday but I'll stop by Ken Borek and see if somebody will let me in to take a few pics. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:52:13 PM EDT
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Pretty amazing job considering the damage, logistics involved. No kidding. I've helped rebuild smaller aircraft that had crashed, and that was an undertaking. We also had a shop to work in that was heated. What they did was incredible. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:52:39 PM EDT
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Badass was the recovery of the US Navy's LC-130F 17 years after it crashed in Antarctica.
http://www.southpolestation.com/trivia/history/321/321.html http://www.gdargaud.net/Antarctica/D59.html Sorry, no slick Youtube video for this one. 
The recovery of this LC-130 was prompted by three reasons, the Navy needed another LC-130 and was not able to purchase a new one, this one had "low" flight hours (since it had been sitting on the ice for 17 years) and the French were making noises about recovering it to use for their Antarctic program. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:52:56 PM EDT
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I understand they make sense, but those engines are just... wrong.
 There's nothing like a radial! 
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:57:28 PM EDT
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That was not an inexpensive undertaking. I wonder how much it cost? Something said in the video about 5k per day. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 4:59:48 PM EDT
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I understand they make sense, but those engines are just... wrong. There's nothing like a radial! The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:07:27 PM EDT
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Very cool video. I am sure the aircraft company had insurance that would defray the cost substantially if not completely. I would think it is cheaper than a new aircraft. If the expense was $5,000 per day X 42 days=$210,000 I do not know, but my guess is that parts were extra. Props,landing gear, cockpit,etc. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:13:37 PM EDT
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After the Kee Bird fiasco was good to see a success on the ice.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:15:34 PM EDT
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After the Kee Bird fiasco was good to see a success on the ice. That plane's story still pains me when I think about it.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:15:52 PM EDT
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Very cool video. I am sure the aircraft company had insurance that would defray the cost substantially if not completely. I would think it is cheaper than a new aircraft. If the expense was $5,000 per day X 42 days=$210,000 I do not know, but my guess is that parts were extra. Props,landing gear, cockpit,etc. Not really. They went to recover the aircraft because the insurance company told them to go pound sand if I heard some of the guys working on the project correctly. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:15:52 PM EDT
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Does anyone know what a Basler converted DC-3 costs? |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:17:08 PM EDT
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That plane's story still pains me when I think about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After the Kee Bird fiasco was good to see a success on the ice. That plane's story still pains me when I think about it. That story and video is heart wrenching. 
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:17:34 PM EDT
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Very cool video. I am sure the aircraft company had insurance that would defray the cost substantially if not completely. I would think it is cheaper than a new aircraft. If the expense was $5,000 per day X 42 days=$210,000 I do not know, but my guess is that parts were extra. Props,landing gear, cockpit,etc. The cost of a BT-67 conversion is 6.5 million US as of 2012. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:18:31 PM EDT
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Not really. They went to recover the aircraft because the insurance company told them to go pound sand if I heard some of the guys working on the project correctly. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very cool video. I am sure the aircraft company had insurance that would defray the cost substantially if not completely. I would think it is cheaper than a new aircraft. If the expense was $5,000 per day X 42 days=$210,000 I do not know, but my guess is that parts were extra. Props,landing gear, cockpit,etc. Not really. They went to recover the aircraft because the insurance company told them to go pound sand if I heard some of the guys working on the project correctly. OK, but that means they DID have insurance, just that there was a dispute over payments. Lawyers will settle that dispute. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:20:52 PM EDT
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OK, but that means they DID have insurance, just that there was a dispute over payments. Lawyers will settle that dispute. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Very cool video. I am sure the aircraft company had insurance that would defray the cost substantially if not completely. I would think it is cheaper than a new aircraft. If the expense was $5,000 per day X 42 days=$210,000 I do not know, but my guess is that parts were extra. Props,landing gear, cockpit,etc. Not really. They went to recover the aircraft because the insurance company told them to go pound sand if I heard some of the guys working on the project correctly. OK, but that means they DID have insurance, just that there was a dispute over payments. Lawyers will settle that dispute. Yeah it's a big clusterfuck. I'll try to find out more on Sunday. Hangar is about 10 minutes from home. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:22:27 PM EDT
[#27]
Very cool! Thanks for posting!
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:23:54 PM EDT
[#28]
Nice job and a really cool plane
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:24:37 PM EDT
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The research and development of DC3's on skis was done by the US Navy back in the 50's.
The Navy operated 18 ski equipped DC3's (R4D / C-47 / C-117) in Antarctica over the years. 
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:29:24 PM EDT
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6E1BRtypbXc
US Navy R4D JATO shot in Antarctica |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:29:51 PM EDT
[#31]
Thanks for posting this OP.
Made me giggle. My favorite aircraft of all time. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:54:12 PM EDT
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Something said in the video about 5k per day. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That was not an inexpensive undertaking. I wonder how much it cost? Something said in the video about 5k per day. I would think that 5k per day would be just to keep the rebuild crew and their daily necessities at the recovery site. I'm sure the cost of the parts and flying them in totaled much more. |
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Posted: 3/28/2014 5:58:22 PM EDT
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That just sounds so wrong with turbines.  Good video and it's nice that they got it out.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 6:00:03 PM EDT
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Ok, that's cool.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 6:18:01 PM EDT
[#35]
That's awesome.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 9:34:02 PM EDT
[#36]
Very cool.
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Posted: 3/28/2014 9:42:24 PM EDT
[#37]
Thanks for sharing...
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Posted: 3/28/2014 10:01:38 PM EDT
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As someone who has worked aviation maintenance for 24 years that was fucking impressive and commendable for what they accomplished to get that aircraft airworthy. Granted not everything was done according to maintenance manual procedures but what they accomplished was very hard to do.
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Posted: 3/29/2014 12:05:21 AM EDT
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The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand they make sense, but those engines are just... wrong. There's nothing like a radial! The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. I flew on a lot of Convair 580 turboprops when I was young, so those are my favorite - but tail draggers are probably better with skis. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 12:08:15 AM EDT
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Does anyone remember the NOVA special on the B-29 that they attempted to recover from the arctic?
That was one of the most depressing TV shows I've ever seen. ETA: Found it. 
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Posted: 3/29/2014 3:40:39 AM EDT
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Does anyone remember the NOVA special on the B-29 that they attempted to recover from the arctic? That was one of the most depressing TV shows I've ever seen. ETA: Found it.  http://youtu.be/1u4YBwjQTdsYeah, I saw that a long time ago. It was depressing to watch. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 4:02:08 AM EDT
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Does anyone remember the NOVA special on the B-29 that they attempted to recover from the arctic? That was one of the most depressing TV shows I've ever seen. ETA: Found it. http://youtu.be/1u4YBwjQTdsJust what I was thinking.... Went better than this....
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Posted: 3/29/2014 4:21:06 AM EDT
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Great find, thanks for posting that. Kudos to those guys! |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 4:27:30 AM EDT
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It was a cleco Forrest!
Neat!
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Posted: 3/29/2014 5:06:38 AM EDT
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The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand they make sense, but those engines are just... wrong. There's nothing like a radial! The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. I sure as hell would be surprised, I don't know how many other conversion companies there are but looking at Basler they only sell one aircraft every year year and a half. The demand is just not there to support new production. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 5:10:44 AM EDT
[#46]
I miss flying in our DC3.
What a great Story! Thanks for posting that .  |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 5:41:27 AM EDT
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Great thread.
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Posted: 3/29/2014 6:02:19 AM EDT
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The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand they make sense, but those engines are just... wrong. There's nothing like a radial! The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. It hasn't happened because there isn't any money in it considering modern costs and regulations. If there was, it would be done. |
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Posted: 3/29/2014 6:05:25 AM EDT
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Thanks for sharing
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Posted: 3/29/2014 6:12:53 AM EDT
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I sure as hell would be surprised, I don't know how many other conversion companies there are but looking at Basler they only sell one aircraft every year year and a half. The demand is just not there to support new production. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I understand they make sense, but those engines are just... wrong. There's nothing like a radial! The turboprop DC-3's are very popular around here and anywhere the climate is rough. What is amazing is that by modifying the decades old airframe to a commercially viable platform that cannot be met by today's standards is mind blowing. DC-3's should go back in to full production to meet the demands of an affordable, dependable twin engine workhorse. It would not surprise me if it actually happened. I sure as hell would be surprised, I don't know how many other conversion companies there are but looking at Basler they only sell one aircraft every year year and a half. The demand is just not there to support new production. There's a missions organization out of West Palm Beach Florida called Missionary Flights International and they have 3 DC-3's they use to service missionaries in Haiti and around the whole area. One of their planes is fitted with turbo props and I flew with them to Haiti once and it was an incredible trip. Plane built in 1942 and refitted sometime around 2004 with the new engines. Cool! I just looked on the Basler website and they did the conversion for MFI. A pic of the below plane that I flew in is on their website. I seem to remember a cost of 1.5 million for the conversion. It takes 45000 man hours to do the job according to the website. Patrick 
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