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Posted: 3/10/2014 8:56:37 PM EDT
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But its modular man! And I can dress up my AR differently every time I take it out! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A rail system that doesn't require the cheese grater bulk and weight of the rail sections. There are a lot of accessories coming out that connect directly to the keymod slots. Basically shaving some considerable weight while giving you a nice smooth grip that can't be as easily damaged by dings and drops. No need for covers. Just like every other well thought out lightweight non keymod rail? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile But its modular man! And I can dress up my AR differently every time I take it out! My old rail wears the same shit day in day out and complains and says its to tired or has a headache... 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 8:58:10 PM EDT
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Keymod could be ok if more direct keymod attachments would come out. You get a lower profile with attachments if its used properly.
Right now, it ain't all that. But it's getting there. Does look like some Home Depot shelves though.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 8:58:23 PM EDT
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A rail system that doesn't require the cheese grater bulk and weight of the rail sections. There are a lot of accessories coming out that connect directly to the keymod slots. Basically shaving some considerable weight while giving you a nice smooth grip that can't be as easily damaged by dings and drops. No need for covers. Just like every other well thought out lightweight non keymod rail? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile But its modular man! And I can dress up my AR differently every time I take it out! You two do realize that with those other "well thought out systems" you still have to attach a rail in order to attach your accessories, right? With this system the accessories attach without a rail.. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 8:59:12 PM EDT
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AKs had throw lever quick release mounts before ARs had rails. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How easy is it to mount something to an AK?  AKs had throw lever quick release mounts before ARs had rails. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Isn't that because the gas system was designed that way? 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 8:59:19 PM EDT
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Keymod could be ok if more direct keymod attachments would come out. You get a lower profile with attachments if its used properly. Right now, it ain't all that. But it's getting there. Does look like some Home Depot shelves though. Heres someone using his head. 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:01:03 PM EDT
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You two do realize that with those other "well thought out systems" you still have to attach a rail in order to attach your accessories, right? With this system the accessories attach without a rail.. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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A rail system that doesn't require the cheese grater bulk and weight of the rail sections. There are a lot of accessories coming out that connect directly to the keymod slots. Basically shaving some considerable weight while giving you a nice smooth grip that can't be as easily damaged by dings and drops. No need for covers. Just like every other well thought out lightweight non keymod rail? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile But its modular man! And I can dress up my AR differently every time I take it out! You two do realize that with those other "well thought out systems" you still have to attach a rail in order to attach your accessories, right? With this system the accessories attach without a rail.. So we went from standardized to non standardized? I honestly dont see the need. There are rails out there for any kind of config you can imagine. Seems more like someone needed to reinvent the wheel to make more money. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:01:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You two do realize that with those other "well thought out systems" you still have to attach a rail in order to attach your accessories, right? With this system the accessories attach without a rail.. No I don't. The rails I use on my MK4s and URX3s are built in.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:01:27 PM EDT
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Heres someone using his head. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keymod could be ok if more direct keymod attachments would come out. You get a lower profile with attachments if its used properly. Right now, it ain't all that. But it's getting there. Does look like some Home Depot shelves though. Heres someone using his head. Yeah, but those shelves does not have a captive screw nut system, and will require access to both sides to attach anything. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:01:32 PM EDT
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A sneaky way for manufacturers to trick you into having a bunch of tiny dicks on your free floats After careful consideration, I believe this answer to be correct. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:01:55 PM EDT
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Mobile site induced doubletap.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:03:20 PM EDT
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Yeah, but those shelves does not have a captive screw nut system, and will require access to both sides to attach anything. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Keymod could be ok if more direct keymod attachments would come out. You get a lower profile with attachments if its used properly. Right now, it ain't all that. But it's getting there. Does look like some Home Depot shelves though. Heres someone using his head. Yeah, but those shelves does not have a captive screw nut system, and will require access to both sides to attach anything. Negative |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:03:30 PM EDT
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Plus keymod looks fugly. Nor do I think its too comfortable, plus the size of the "keymod" cuts forces designs to have more metal = heavier.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:04:02 PM EDT
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Rails are optional.....http://<a href=http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y200/bstonemega/IMAG1752_zpsa0ce843d.jpg</a>" /> So - you use picatinny key mod rails so you can put picatinny rail covers on your picatinny key mod rails so your hands don't get cut on the optional picatinny key mod rails? I'm not seeing the point of having optional picatinny key mod rails here. Light weight and tactical universal oneness, or something I guess. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Lighter weight taticooler universe. http://www.apcustomusa.com/images/tacticaltable.jpg http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/v/vspfiles/photos/AP-CF-T-2T.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not really any savings over a sub $200 MI gen2 ss. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:10:26 PM EDT
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Big fan of my Fortis handguards.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:12:55 PM EDT
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Can I attach the skinny plastic carbine handguards to it? I really like the skinny plastic carbine handguards. They're so nontactical they're awesome.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:14:23 PM EDT
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those covers mount without rails (direct to the keymod) only reason I have is because they were cheap https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/v/t1/999614_10202269021703734_164850819_n.jpg?oh=eeed5612c8fc15a1e5e94f4b2df6bd9b&oe=53978E4B Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So - you use picatinny key mod rails so you can put picatinny rail covers on your picatinny key mod rails so your hands don't get cut on the optional picatinny key mod rails? I'm not seeing the point of having optional picatinny key mod rails here. those covers mount without rails (direct to the keymod) only reason I have is because they were cheap https://scontent-a-iad.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/v/t1/999614_10202269021703734_164850819_n.jpg?oh=eeed5612c8fc15a1e5e94f4b2df6bd9b&oe=53978E4B NOW I get it! Keymod is so you can put your picatinny rail covers on the Keymod handguard so you won't cut your hands on the picatinny rails that aren't even THERE! That IS light! 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:20:20 PM EDT
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It's the new big thing, I'm waiting for someone to come out with different length keymod sections that I can add onto my existing picatinny railed handguard.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:20:39 PM EDT
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Not really any savings over a sub $200 MI gen2 ss. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So - you use picatinny key mod rails so you can put picatinny rail covers on your picatinny key mod rails so your hands don't get cut on the optional picatinny key mod rails? I'm not seeing the point of having optional picatinny key mod rails here. Light weight and tactical universal oneness, or something I guess. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Lighter weight taticooler universe. http://www.apcustomusa.com/images/tacticaltable.jpg http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/v/vspfiles/photos/AP-CF-T-2T.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not really any savings over a sub $200 MI gen2 ss. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:21:26 PM EDT
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Accidental discharge
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:24:03 PM EDT
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Will this finally allow me to attach my Magpul sling to my Magpul MOE handguard?
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:25:36 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: AKs had throw lever quick release mounts before ARs had rails. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: How easy is it to mount something to an AK? AKs had throw lever quick release mounts before ARs had rails. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:25:59 PM EDT
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Love me some keymod.
I like a thin profile and light rail for competition. Smaller profile is easier to be inserted into barricades, and not risk resting on barrel. Need to be able to get the hand forward on the rail. When I shoot a night/low light match, it is so nice to be able to quickly add a light and then remove it without messing with backer plates like on some handguards. Certainly, if not for competition, I'd be interested in something more utilitarian, and would probably just keep using LaRue's. 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:27:55 PM EDT
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Remington had awkward giant lever safeties before Ak's had giant awkward lever safeties, so what? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How easy is it to mount something to an AK? AKs had throw lever quick release mounts before ARs had rails. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They are talking about the lever to remove AK hand guards. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:27:59 PM EDT
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Will this finally allow me to attach my Magpul sling to my Magpul MOE handguard? https://store.magpul.com/product/MAG504/104 |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:28:18 PM EDT
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Tactical warehouse racking with auto loosen feature.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:30:37 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Lighter weight taticooler universe. http://www.apcustomusa.com/images/tacticaltable.jpg http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/v/vspfiles/photos/AP-CF-T-2T.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not really any savings over a sub $200 MI gen2 ss. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile http://www.troll.me/images/y-u-no-guy/brain-y-u-no-understand-math.jpg |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:31:34 PM EDT
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probly answered already, but whatever
It was and is designed to be a universal attachment / mounting system for ALL accessories. The ability to add picatinny rail sections is only a hold over until more parts and accessories are available to mount to it. Think of if surefire came out with a Scout light that attached directly to Keymod slots. It's designed to be able to mount everything from lights/lasers/vert-grips etc... directly to the handguard without using picatinny rails at all. Eventually even optics will likely come out to attach directly to Keymod slots. They attach quickly and theoretically should retain zero if the mounts / keymod holes are made to spec. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:31:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are talking about the lever to remove AK hand guards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Remington had awkward giant lever safeties before Ak's had giant awkward lever safeties, so what? They are talking about the lever to remove AK hand guards. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:33:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The ability to add picatinny rail sections is only a hold over until more parts and accessories are available to mount to it. Think of if surefire came out with a Scout light that attached directly to Keymod slots. If only they had first made a light with a 1913 STD base on it so you didn't need a mount at all.  It would look like...http://www.surefire.com/m952v-millenniumuniversalweaponlight.html |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:34:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They are talking about the lever to remove AK hand guards. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: How easy is it to mount something to an AK? AKs had throw lever quick release mounts before ARs had rails. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They are talking about the lever to remove AK hand guards. As mentioned, he was talking about the crap AK mounting position for optics utilizing a gigantic mount that hooks to the interface slathered on the side of a piece of sheet metal... |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:34:52 PM EDT
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I was making light, implying that just because something is shitty first, doesn't make it better... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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How easy is it to mount something to an AK? AKs had throw lever quick release mounts before ARs had rails. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile They are talking about the lever to remove AK hand guards. Well I'm just off on everything tonight. 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:36:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Well I'm just off on everything tonight. Quote HistoryQuoted: snip Well I'm just off on everything tonight. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:37:14 PM EDT
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I was talking about the optic mounts that most AKMs have. The ones with repeatable zero and optics with integrated mounts. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Remington had awkward giant lever safeties before Ak's had giant awkward lever safeties, so what? They are talking about the lever to remove AK hand guards. Optics and zeros with an AK? I thought those were the guns you just kinda aim in some general direction and pray for Allah to guide the bullets?
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:38:03 PM EDT
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Their 15 incher WITHOUT the barrel nut is 9.3 ounces. The MI Gen2 SS FF is 10.9 WITH steel barrel nut. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lighter weight taticooler universe. http://www.apcustomusa.com/images/tacticaltable.jpg http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/v/vspfiles/photos/AP-CF-T-2T.jpg Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Not really any savings over a sub $200 MI gen2 ss. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile http://www.troll.me/images/y-u-no-guy/brain-y-u-no-understand-math.jpg A mil-spec barrel nut is 1.3 ounces. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:38:14 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:41:13 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: A mil-spec barrel nut is 1.3 ounces. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Not really any savings over a sub $200 MI gen2 ss. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile http://www.troll.me/images/y-u-no-guy/brain-y-u-no-understand-math.jpg A mil-spec barrel nut is 1.3 ounces. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:46:42 PM EDT
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Will this finally allow me to attach my Magpul sling to my Magpul MOE handguard? https://store.magpul.com/product/MAG504/104 Like this? 
If so they either have, or will be releasing one in the near future. Skip to 8:50 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:50:22 PM EDT
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I didn't read page 2 but adding modular strips of rails are not new and the idea is good in that your handguard is thus thinner versus the older quad railed handguards; the keymod goes another step in that you do not have to "fish" the nuts to bolt down your rail strips, keymod strips IIRC have bolts with retained nuts (yes funny I know) so they slide into place you lock down and you are done.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:52:43 PM EDT
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Making the carbon fiber handguard only .3 ounces lighter than a sub $200 MI unit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not really any savings over a sub $200 MI gen2 ss. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile http://www.troll.me/images/y-u-no-guy/brain-y-u-no-understand-math.jpg A mil-spec barrel nut is 1.3 ounces. 10.6 is still < 10.9 It's also a $155 unit after JoeBob saves you $10.95http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/AP_Custom_Tactical_Carbon_Fiber_Handguard_p/ap-cf-t.htm |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:56:27 PM EDT
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Don't think this is some sort of thread about an AK guy whining about not having cool toys. They have Home Depot'ed up AKs too.
http://strikeindustries.com/shop/index.php/rifle-enhancements/ak-platform/mega-fins-ak-modular-key-mod-handguard-rail.html http://www.krebscustom.com/products/79/Krebs-Custom-UFM-Keymod-System-for-Saiga-Rifles |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:57:16 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: 10.6 is still < 10.9 It's also a $155 unit after JoeBob saves you $10.95http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/AP_Custom_Tactical_Carbon_Fiber_Handguard_p/ap-cf-t.htm Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Making the carbon fiber handguard only .3 ounces lighter than a sub $200 MI unit. 10.6 is still < 10.9 It's also a $155 unit after JoeBob saves you $10.95http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/AP_Custom_Tactical_Carbon_Fiber_Handguard_p/ap-cf-t.htm ETA: Compare to http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/Midwest_Industries_SS_Series_Rail_Black_Gen_2_p/mi-ss-railblack-g2.htm |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 9:58:57 PM EDT
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Add $54 for 15" and you have to buy a barrel nut.
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Making the carbon fiber handguard only .3 ounces lighter than a sub $200 MI unit. 10.6 is still < 10.9 It's also a $155 unit after JoeBob saves you $10.95http://www.joeboboutfitters.com/AP_Custom_Tactical_Carbon_Fiber_Handguard_p/ap-cf-t.htm
You got me I was looking at the midlength.
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Posted: 3/10/2014 10:04:21 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You got me I was looking at the midlength.Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Add $54 for 15" and you have to buy a barrel nut. You got me I was looking at the midlength. |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 10:04:21 PM EDT
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I know it seems gimmicky but I don't care for quardails, mostly due to cheese grating.
I really enjoy the light weight and reduced width of the NSR, so I went with it. I admit that the keymod accessories are lacking, but I thought why not give it a try. 
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Posted: 3/10/2014 10:05:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Like this? http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/static/images/productimage-picture-lmt-heavy-duty-push-button-qd-swivel-15_jpg_640x480_q85.jpg If so they either have, or will be releasing one in the near future. Skip to 8:50  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0LEpnOzPoQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Will this finally allow me to attach my Magpul sling to my Magpul MOE handguard? https://store.magpul.com/product/MAG504/104 Like this? http://www.impactweaponscomponents.com/static/images/productimage-picture-lmt-heavy-duty-push-button-qd-swivel-15_jpg_640x480_q85.jpg If so they either have, or will be releasing one in the near future. Skip to 8:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zz0LEpnOzPo |
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Posted: 3/10/2014 10:12:43 PM EDT
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Posted: 3/11/2014 2:05:31 AM EDT
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Obvious man here. They do this stuff in the name of innovation and making your rail "lighter" and "more comfortable" when in reality they are convincing you that last years model is problematic and all the cool kids are using this years model. I don't think there's much markup or margin in AR rifles when they can be had for $600. I think there's a ton to be made selling $250 rails to attach $175 flashlights. This guy drives a kia and refuses to believe a Lexus is any better. |
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Posted: 3/11/2014 2:09:15 AM EDT
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Its those awesome holes found in bed frames for locking them together as well as steel shelving systems.
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Posted: 3/11/2014 2:21:18 AM EDT
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Keymod removes a lot of excess, unused material found in normal picatinny quad rails... but does so at the price of more expensive/complicated accessories hardware.
However, given that most people just mount a light, and a very tiny fraction add a laser too... it's a net loss of weight for most rifle set ups. With quad rails you had all that extra aluminum, which you then add even more weight to by added rail covers. I do suspect that Keymod does lose some durability when compared to Picatinny, mostly on account of how thin the rails are and the spacing between the keys. I have noticed some manufacturers (PWS, Parallax Tactical) have taken steps to beef up their Keymod specs while remaining in spec to the universal Keymod dimensions. Just recently the spec was revised again for manufacturers though, so I don't know what's going on there. I still prefer the old Mk4 Geissele SMR, but the newer Mk4 SMR with Keymod does allow for easy attachment of rail panels. 
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Posted: 3/11/2014 2:22:37 AM EDT
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