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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:12:14 AM EDT
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:15:03 AM EDT
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Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:24:05 AM EDT
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Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Sanctions won't work but the morons in charge of our foreign policy are clueless when it comes to Russia. I suppose its good for a laugh though |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:37:45 AM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:41:43 AM EDT
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What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Sanctions won't work but the morons in charge of our foreign policy are clueless when it comes to Russia. I suppose its good for a laugh though Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Sanctions won't work but the morons in charge of our foreign policy are clueless when it comes to Russia. I suppose its good for a laugh though Force or no force, people have to eat. Russia is a net food importer, is it not? The last time the people of Russia started really feeling economic pain, they murdered the Tsar and his entire family. Putin should be scared. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:48:49 AM EDT
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Force or no force, people have to eat. Russia is a net food importer, is it not? The last time the people of Russia started really feeling economic pain, they murdered the Tsar and his entire family. Putin should be scared. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Sanctions won't work but the morons in charge of our foreign policy are clueless when it comes to Russia. I suppose its good for a laugh though Force or no force, people have to eat. Russia is a net food importer, is it not? The last time the people of Russia started really feeling economic pain, they murdered the Tsar and his entire family. Putin should be scared. oil for food? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:54:48 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryInteresting article. TRG |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:58:01 AM EDT
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What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Sanctions won't work but the morons in charge of our foreign policy are clueless when it comes to Russia. I suppose its good for a laugh though Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Sanctions won't work but the morons in charge of our foreign policy are clueless when it comes to Russia. I suppose its good for a laugh though Nothing will ever last if held together by force. USSR is a prime example that you failed to consider. The state of the economy actually had a massive impact on that breaking apart. Russia is plenty big enough to do it again. 
And I'm by no means arguing that sanctions are the best approach, or more accurately, the best approach to solely take. But they will take a toll and make a difference... whether it is 100% the difference we want is up for debate. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:06:48 AM EDT
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Nothing will ever last if held together by force. USSR is a prime example that you failed to consider. The state of the economy actually had a massive impact on that breaking apart. Russia is plenty big enough to do it again.
And I'm by no means arguing that sanctions are the best approach, or more accurately, the best approach to solely take. But they will take a toll and make a difference... whether it is 100% the difference we want is up for debate. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Sanctions won't work but the morons in charge of our foreign policy are clueless when it comes to Russia. I suppose its good for a laugh though Nothing will ever last if held together by force. USSR is a prime example that you failed to consider. The state of the economy actually had a massive impact on that breaking apart. Russia is plenty big enough to do it again.
And I'm by no means arguing that sanctions are the best approach, or more accurately, the best approach to solely take. But they will take a toll and make a difference... whether it is 100% the difference we want is up for debate. The USSR was a reverse empire, very different. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:18:52 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: The USSR was a reverse empire, very different. Is that like a reverse vampire?
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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:16:50 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryPoor,sad Russians...so abused by Nazis 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:39:46 AM EDT
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Poor,sad Russians...so abused by Nazis Your country is definitely next on the hit list. Might want to make that summer home in MA permanent home. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 12:54:52 PM EDT
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What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Tell that to the USSR. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 2:32:04 PM EDT
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Tell that to the USSR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Tell that to the USSR. Tell that to the confederate south. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:01:20 PM EDT
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Tell that to the confederate south. Quote HistoryQuoted: Tell that to the USSR. Tell that to the confederate south. Okay. "Hey confederate south! Tell that to the USSR!" |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:32:21 PM EDT
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Tell that to the USSR. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Lol. What the fuck is a ruble anyways? Most of the world doesn't even know what they look like. Hey Russia lovers, check this out: I can go any country in the world and pull out a US $100 bill, and every swinging dick knows what it is, and wants it. Take it to Kiev so they can buy another army. Nah, it will increasingly be worth considerably more in mother Russia as Putin's Gambit continues to asphyxiate his struggling economy. If elementary economics and history have taught us anything, wheelbarrow futures will likely skyrocket as the main vehicle for ruble exchange so you may want to look in on getting in on that market on the ground floor... What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Tell that to the USSR. USSR is a poor comparison. See my previous post. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:32:50 PM EDT
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Okay. "Hey confederate south! Tell that to the USSR!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:42:27 PM EDT
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Okay. "Hey confederate south! Tell that to the USSR!" Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 9/17/2014 6:49:47 PM EDT
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USSR is a poor comparison. See my previous post. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Tell that to the USSR. USSR is a poor comparison. See my previous post. Your previous, very silly post calling the USSR a "reverse empire," in no way proves my comparison to be poor. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:39:27 PM EDT
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Posted: 9/17/2014 7:48:19 PM EDT
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Your previous, very silly post calling the USSR a "reverse empire," in no way proves my comparison to be poor. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Tell that to the USSR. USSR is a poor comparison. See my previous post. Your previous, very silly post calling the USSR a "reverse empire," in no way proves my comparison to be poor. Russia had to subsidize the rest of the SU, Wealth outflow= reverse Shows how little you know |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:14:25 PM EDT
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Russia had to subsidize the rest of the SU, Wealth outflow= reverse Shows how little you know Quote HistoryQuoted:
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What you fail to consider is the state of the Russian economy doesn't matter. Russia has never been an economic power and never will be, its simply too large of a country. The empire will be held together by force, its has been that way since the time of the Tsars and is unlikely to change. Tell that to the USSR. USSR is a poor comparison. See my previous post. Your previous, very silly post calling the USSR a "reverse empire," in no way proves my comparison to be poor. Russia had to subsidize the rest of the SU, Wealth outflow= reverse Shows how little you know Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:28:05 PM EDT
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Because it was a reverse empire, it didn't actually collapse, it imploded.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:43:46 PM EDT
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Because it was a reverse empire, it didn't actually collapse, it imploded. Go read a science book. I know you're kidding, but it really didn't do either. The leaders of the three principle SSRs pretty much agreed to not recognize the Soviet leadership, and the Soviet leadership had little political capital left. If Yeltsin had perceived Ukraine and Belarus as part of a Russian Empire, it never would have happened. He and the rest were too busy imagining themselves and their buddies as rich Capitalists with nobody to answer to to consider much else. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 8:59:38 PM EDT
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The USSR was a reverse empire, very different. Now we're going places! Of course I understand what you are talking about, but for our less educated members, would you mind detailing what you mean? Thanks! |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:28:09 PM EDT
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:34:07 PM EDT
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Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:39:18 PM EDT
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I don't think Putin's standard of living will suffer much, and whatever economic hit Russia takes he has sewn up total power there.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:41:33 PM EDT
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Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Russia can't afford this any more than we can. When the people start to really feel the pinch, they will begin to get a bit more pissed about certain things. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:46:20 PM EDT
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Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Russia is a stumbling drunk bully of a country, that can only write cheap ass checks. Going after Ukraine is a pussy ass move that will ruin them financially. Putin isn't any smarter than Jug ears, he is just more aggressive. They do agree on gun control for pretty much the same reasons. Edit: apostrophe |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:49:55 PM EDT
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Russia can't afford this any more than we can. When the people start to really feel the pinch, they will begin to get a bit more pissed about certain things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Russia can't afford this any more than we can. When the people start to really feel the pinch, they will begin to get a bit more pissed about certain things. I wouldn't put much stock in the Russian population. Their dissidents are few and far between and increasingly silenced. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:49:58 PM EDT
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Russia can't afford this any more than we can. When the people start to really feel the pinch, they will begin to get a bit more pissed about certain things. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Russia can't afford this any more than we can. When the people start to really feel the pinch, they will begin to get a bit more pissed about certain things. I'm just saying it's difficulty to cite the dissolution of the USSR as any precedent or normal reaction - it was the action of elites seeking treasure, not "people feeling the pinch." |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:55:44 PM EDT
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I wouldn't put much stock in the Russian population. Their dissidents are few and far between and increasingly silenced. The Russian masses never make history, never have. Even the Revolution was led by elites who wrapped up their rhetoric in a pretty bow of "proletariat" nonsense. The nobility resented the rising power of the bourgeoisie, and Marxism provided a voice and "explanation." There is good reason that Putin tries to keep any influential Russians either in prison or in line. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 9:58:17 PM EDT
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I see the putin cock suckers are still here.
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:18:02 PM EDT
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The USSR was a reverse empire, very different. Oh, yes, because the "Proletariat" had all the power in the USSR. 
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:35:27 PM EDT
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The USSR was a reverse empire, very different. Oh, yes, because the "Proletariat" had all the power in the USSR. nothing to do with the people, regarding outflow of wealth from RU to satellite states. mainly defense |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:37:59 PM EDT
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Some did, others were willing to go all they way to preserve it. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:41:04 PM EDT
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Some did, others were willing to go all they way to preserve it. They couldn't stop Yeltsin, and Gorbachev was feeling pretty unloved by December 1991. Brest was the final nail in the coffin for the USSR. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 10:51:21 PM EDT
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Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Well, their public debt is about 8% of GDP, whereas ours is about 108% of GDP. Funny that Soviet public debt ratio of 20% was enough to be one of the triggers of their downfall, whereas if we hit 20%, the celebrations would never end. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:29:36 PM EDT
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I'm just saying it's difficulty to cite the dissolution of the USSR as any precedent or normal reaction - it was the action of elites seeking treasure, not "people feeling the pinch." Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Russia, or the USSR? Russia wanted out of the USSR. It complicates things, almost like a two popes or two competing emperors dynamic. Russia can't afford this any more than we can. When the people start to really feel the pinch, they will begin to get a bit more pissed about certain things. I'm just saying it's difficulty to cite the dissolution of the USSR as any precedent or normal reaction - it was the action of elites seeking treasure, not "people feeling the pinch." Had a bit to do with their economy, though. It's to to cite the same woes that broke them up, as not being a hindrance to bringing them back together. And let's remember that the economically viable East Ukraine no longer exists. |
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Posted: 9/17/2014 11:31:28 PM EDT
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Well, their public debt is about 8% of GDP, whereas ours is about 108% of GDP. Funny that Soviet public debt ratio of 20% was enough to be one of the triggers of their downfall, whereas if we hit 20%, the celebrations would never end. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Not sure why that is relevant. Also, the three main "subsidizers" were the SSRs that initiated the breakup. But, frankly, I'm really not sure what point either of you are making. The USSR was held together by force, like any other. When it lost the will to bust heads, it lost its empire. Force costs rubles. No rubles = no force =no empire. All the folks in this thread who insist that we have too much debt, and that we can't afford to get militarily involved.... ...doesn't that apply to Russia, too? Well, their public debt is about 8% of GDP, whereas ours is about 108% of GDP. Funny that Soviet public debt ratio of 20% was enough to be one of the triggers of their downfall, whereas if we hit 20%, the celebrations would never end. No comparison. Regardless, one needs capital to buy stuff and wage war. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:07:24 AM EDT
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An anonymous client is offering $30 million reward for information about who shot down MH17 through a German investigation company Wifka.
http://www.wifka.de/who-shot-down-mh17-30-million-dollars-reward-for-information.html And Russia is pushing for an open international investigation into the crash http://en.itar-tass.com/russia/749884 “We should not allow the inquiry in the details of the MH17 crash to be soft-pedalled as this had already happened to many other Ukrainian tragedies, including the sniper shooting of civilians in Kiev in February, massacres in Odessa (Ukrainian Black Sea port) and Mariupol (a city in the Donetsk region) in May and so on,” the foreign minister said. “We will insist with determination on bringing all who are responsible for these crimes to justice,” he added. and requested a security council meeting on Friday. http://en.itar-tass.com/world/750051 |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 3:29:20 AM EDT
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Oh ho!
http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/france-withholds-delivery-of-amphib-aircraft-carriers-f-1630227613 |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 3:51:51 AM EDT
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Oh ho! http://foxtrotalpha.jalopnik.com/france-withholds-delivery-of-amphib-aircraft-carriers-f-1630227613 Isn't that old news? I swear I heard that earlier. ETA: Article is from 9/03. I knew I had heard about this from BBC or some such. |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 10:28:25 AM EDT
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Poroshenko is speaking to a joint session or Congress on C-Span right now.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 1:30:18 PM EDT
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Poroshenko is speaking to a joint session or Congress on C-Span right now. It was a beautiful speech IMHO. BTW, this was posted today on the Tubes: Get your Grad on 
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Posted: 9/18/2014 1:45:51 PM EDT
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First time I'd ever heard him speak English. He did a remarkable job. That's a tough sales pitch to deliver.
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Posted: 9/18/2014 2:02:06 PM EDT
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Poroshenko is just as corrupt as the rest of them. He knows his audience, I'll give him that. He would fit in great with all of the other congressman
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Posted: 9/18/2014 5:42:59 PM EDT
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BBC team attacked in southern Russia 'by at least three men'
18 September 2014 Last updated at 12:51 BST The BBC has lodged a formal protest with the Russian authorities after a news team from the BBC's Moscow bureau was attacked in the south of the country. The cameraman was beaten up and the camera smashed during the attack. The team was investigating reports of Russian personnel being killed near the border with Ukraine. Russian servicemen, according to the official line, are not involved in Ukraine, unless they go on holiday or in their spare time. http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-29249996 |
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Posted: 9/18/2014 6:50:45 PM EDT
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Poroshenko is just as corrupt as the rest of them. He knows his audience, I'll give him that. He would fit in great with all of the other congressman Yes, it's true that Russian propaganda would say something like that. |
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