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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:25:26 AM EDT
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Good! We agree on something! 
You just helped making my point. Yes, we should not have to be forced to have other costumes forced down our throats because someone decided to move here and instead of absorbing our costumes and laws want to force theirs. So, why move here in the first place? Why not stay where they came from if it was so good? Yet, here we are having to accept things like "sharia law", having to be "politically correct" because someone might "feel offended" and plenty other bullshit. Why Ukraine would be different, considering that in its eastern region the pro-Russians are majority? If we cannot fix our own home what kind of moral do we have to condemn someone else? And actually, you make another good point because if it's already bad here the way it is, if the libs get their "immigration reform" we may be looking like Ukraine soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. The point I was attempting to make is that many countries have significant populations of folks native to other countries. Many native Mexicans currently live in Texas, Arizona and California. Some are here legally, many are not. Either way, if some day they suddenly decide to grab those lands and make them a part of Mexico and place them under Mexican rule, that is a problem. And that would not be legal. By coming here and/or deciding to make the United States their home, they are accepting the US way of life as their own. To become citizens, they need to assimilate. I am also of the opinion that if they are unwilling to do this and wish to simply make the US into Mexico North that they need to pack up their shit and return home. I feel the exact same way about native Russians living in Ukraine. Either they need to become fully assimilated, proud Ukrainians. Or they need to pack up their shit and move to Russia where they will find things more agreeable. They have no right to try to take over portions of that country and turn it into Russia West. What these people are doing in Ukraine is simply WRONG. They have a choice to make. Do they want to be Russians or Ukrainians? If the former, they need to move because they aren't sitting on Russian land. Good! We agree on something!
You just helped making my point. Yes, we should not have to be forced to have other costumes forced down our throats because someone decided to move here and instead of absorbing our costumes and laws want to force theirs. So, why move here in the first place? Why not stay where they came from if it was so good? Yet, here we are having to accept things like "sharia law", having to be "politically correct" because someone might "feel offended" and plenty other bullshit. Why Ukraine would be different, considering that in its eastern region the pro-Russians are majority? If we cannot fix our own home what kind of moral do we have to condemn someone else? And actually, you make another good point because if it's already bad here the way it is, if the libs get their "immigration reform" we may be looking like Ukraine soon. Costumes? LMAO! Yes, we should all keep our costumes. Apparently GRU doesn't have spell check. HAHAHAHAHAHA. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:28:09 AM EDT
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And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"? 
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Trying to compare things that aren't really comparable doesn't really prove the point you are trying to make. Some folks raised against a government they do not believe in (for whatever reason) here and in Ukraine. So, in Ukraine, the eastern folks are clearly pro-Russia and do not seem to want anything to do with the new self-appointed government and are raising against it. According to some in this thread, these folks are traitors of Ukraine and just Russian tools. So, how does one define who is a "traitor" (or a puppet) or a "patriot"?
The posters' methodology of selecting who is right or wrong follows the same arbitrary pattern of the dictator they seem to be so adamantly against. So, yes, it's relevant to the point. There is one dictator in your comparison and the people you admire in the Ukraine are fighting for him. His name is Vladimir Putin. And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? Please show me where I praised Obama or stop lying. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:30:02 AM EDT
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Your trolling and failure at logic can again be answered by Citadel's post below. @ ROSSI: I cannot express in words how much I loathe the fact that you still breathe air. I hope you die in a painful, excruciating manner, that Putin himself would think is cruel and unusual. I hope that this death happens in the middle of Siberia, after you've completed your service to your mother Russia.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here the mistake you made. He and the others do not think. They are programmed. They probably did not login to the DU today to get the updated code. 
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LOL, so let me get this straight...you must love Putin to hate Obama and if you hate Putin you must love Obama. Were you this pro protest when it was W. Ukrainians doing it?  @ ROSSI: I cannot express in words how much I loathe the fact that you still breathe air. I hope you die in a painful, excruciating manner, that Putin himself would think is cruel and unusual. I hope that this death happens in the middle of Siberia, after you've completed your service to your mother Russia. Your pathetic attempt of an insult did not work. Actually, how your meager thread about a vote to intervene in Ukraine going? Oh, yes, disappeared into oblivion after the poll results did not go the way you wanted and you also started insulting everyone else there? That tells a lot about you. Cozy basement this one where you spend your wasted life? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:31:23 AM EDT
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Here the mistake you made. He and the others do not think. They are programmed. They probably did not login to the DU today to get the updated code.
You parrot a dictator's propaganda and we're brainwashed? 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:32:56 AM EDT
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...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:33:05 AM EDT
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Trying to compare things that aren't really comparable doesn't really prove the point you are trying to make. Some folks raised against a government they do not believe in (for whatever reason) here and in Ukraine. So, in Ukraine, the eastern folks are clearly pro-Russia and do not seem to want anything to do with the new self-appointed government and are raising against it. According to some in this thread, these folks are traitors of Ukraine and just Russian tools. So, how does one define who is a "traitor" (or a puppet) or a "patriot"?
The posters' methodology of selecting who is right or wrong follows the same arbitrary pattern of the dictator they seem to be so adamantly against. So, yes, it's relevant to the point. There is one dictator in your comparison and the people you admire in the Ukraine are fighting for him. His name is Vladimir Putin. And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? Please show me where I praised Obama or stop lying. After you show where I praised Putin.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:34:15 AM EDT
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And the folks running the new government are models of honesty, right? Are you guys even reading all the news or there's some kind of "filter" that blocks anything you do not want to believe?
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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Neither. If that were Ukraine, those folks above would be the people who put enough pressure on their Russian puppet leader to cause him to flee the country. Yes, but we are past that. Based on the current situation, imagining that "those folks" actually replaced the puppet leader by someone who the "new rebels" think is worse, thus they want to stay with the previous one (the puppet), which happened to have been "democratically elected" and did not "take power through a coup". Also, for the sake of this case, imagine that the "new government" has few to no representation in that region. So, these folks actually, believe that they would better side with Russia and are taking any help they can from their "savior". Are they traitors or patriots? The way I see this is that once someone starts making arbitrary decisions and taking arbitrary steps towards whatever they "believe in" with total disregard for the other parties things can escalate and get messy very fast. Ukraine's "new government" was an arbitrary step from a minority (for whatever reason) and has no legitimacy. Therefore, now everyone over there feels they can do whatever they want. Yeah, if you just forget the widespread accusations of fraud during Yanukovych's election, his cracking down on any opposition , not to mention the jailing of his former opponent in the 2010 election, and press censorship etc. Yeah, your guy who also supports a dictator is a real peach. And the folks running the new government are models of honesty, right? Are you guys even reading all the news or there's some kind of "filter" that blocks anything you do not want to believe?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:35:52 AM EDT
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You parrot a dictator's propaganda and we're brainwashed? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here the mistake you made. He and the others do not think. They are programmed. They probably did not login to the DU today to get the updated code.
You parrot a dictator's propaganda and we're brainwashed? Where do I parrot anything? Just because I do not support military intervention in Ukraine or question some of the information it means I am "parroting propaganda"? Are you guys even reading your posts or copying and pasting from somewhere else?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:38:17 AM EDT
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Your trolling and failure at logic can again be answered by Citadel's post below. @ ROSSI: <snip> Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Here the mistake you made. He and the others do not think. They are programmed. They probably did not login to the DU today to get the updated code.
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LOL, so let me get this straight...you must love Putin to hate Obama and if you hate Putin you must love Obama. Were you this pro protest when it was W. Ukrainians doing it? @ ROSSI: <snip> Dude, be careful. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:39:59 AM EDT
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Good! We agree on something!
You just helped making my point. Yes, we should not have to be forced to have other costumes forced down our throats because someone decided to move here and instead of absorbing our costumes and laws want to force theirs. So, why move here in the first place? Why not stay where they came from if it was so good? Yet, here we are having to accept things like "sharia law", having to be "politically correct" because someone might "feel offended" and plenty other bullshit. Why Ukraine would be different, considering that in its eastern region the pro-Russians are majority? If we cannot fix our own home what kind of moral do we have to condemn someone else? And actually, you make another good point because if it's already bad here the way it is, if the libs get their "immigration reform" we may be looking like Ukraine soon. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. The point I was attempting to make is that many countries have significant populations of folks native to other countries. Many native Mexicans currently live in Texas, Arizona and California. Some are here legally, many are not. Either way, if some day they suddenly decide to grab those lands and make them a part of Mexico and place them under Mexican rule, that is a problem. And that would not be legal. By coming here and/or deciding to make the United States their home, they are accepting the US way of life as their own. To become citizens, they need to assimilate. I am also of the opinion that if they are unwilling to do this and wish to simply make the US into Mexico North that they need to pack up their shit and return home. I feel the exact same way about native Russians living in Ukraine. Either they need to become fully assimilated, proud Ukrainians. Or they need to pack up their shit and move to Russia where they will find things more agreeable. They have no right to try to take over portions of that country and turn it into Russia West. What these people are doing in Ukraine is simply WRONG. They have a choice to make. Do they want to be Russians or Ukrainians? If the former, they need to move because they aren't sitting on Russian land. Good! We agree on something!
You just helped making my point. Yes, we should not have to be forced to have other costumes forced down our throats because someone decided to move here and instead of absorbing our costumes and laws want to force theirs. So, why move here in the first place? Why not stay where they came from if it was so good? Yet, here we are having to accept things like "sharia law", having to be "politically correct" because someone might "feel offended" and plenty other bullshit. Why Ukraine would be different, considering that in its eastern region the pro-Russians are majority? If we cannot fix our own home what kind of moral do we have to condemn someone else? And actually, you make another good point because if it's already bad here the way it is, if the libs get their "immigration reform" we may be looking like Ukraine soon. Um, Mexico is not invading our shores... More herp derp from Putin's stooge. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:42:21 AM EDT
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Neither. If that were Ukraine, those folks above would be the people who put enough pressure on their Russian puppet leader to cause him to flee the country. Yes, but we are past that. Based on the current situation, imagining that "those folks" actually replaced the puppet leader by someone who the "new rebels" think is worse, thus they want to stay with the previous one (the puppet), which happened to have been "democratically elected" and did not "take power through a coup". Also, for the sake of this case, imagine that the "new government" has few to no representation in that region. So, these folks actually, believe that they would better side with Russia and are taking any help they can from their "savior". Are they traitors or patriots? The way I see this is that once someone starts making arbitrary decisions and taking arbitrary steps towards whatever they "believe in" with total disregard for the other parties things can escalate and get messy very fast. Ukraine's "new government" was an arbitrary step from a minority (for whatever reason) and has no legitimacy. Therefore, now everyone over there feels they can do whatever they want. Yeah, if you just forget the widespread accusations of fraud during Yanukovych's election, his cracking down on any opposition , not to mention the jailing of his former opponent in the 2010 election, and press censorship etc. Yeah, your guy who also supports a dictator is a real peach. And the folks running the new government are models of honesty, right? Are you guys even reading all the news or there's some kind of "filter" that blocks anything you do not want to believe?
The only ones accusing the new govt of wrongdoing are the commie putin stooges, like yourself. I am questioning their legitimacy, since it's very clear it's not supported by a very large number of Ukrainians, mostly in the East and South. And their hands are not clean also, as we saw in several news and testimonies already posted. So, do not tell me that I have to bow to a government that got into power via a coup (or whatever you want to call it) and several of its constituents have some shady interests. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:42:46 AM EDT
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After you show where I praised Putin.
You are parroting his propaganda. You obviously believe the shit he spews. Now show me just once where I have praised anything Obama has done. Or stop your childish lies about those who oppose Putin. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:45:23 AM EDT
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Um, Mexico is not invading our shores... More herp derp from Putin's stooge. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. The point I was attempting to make is that many countries have significant populations of folks native to other countries. Many native Mexicans currently live in Texas, Arizona and California. Some are here legally, many are not. Either way, if some day they suddenly decide to grab those lands and make them a part of Mexico and place them under Mexican rule, that is a problem. And that would not be legal. By coming here and/or deciding to make the United States their home, they are accepting the US way of life as their own. To become citizens, they need to assimilate. I am also of the opinion that if they are unwilling to do this and wish to simply make the US into Mexico North that they need to pack up their shit and return home. I feel the exact same way about native Russians living in Ukraine. Either they need to become fully assimilated, proud Ukrainians. Or they need to pack up their shit and move to Russia where they will find things more agreeable. They have no right to try to take over portions of that country and turn it into Russia West. What these people are doing in Ukraine is simply WRONG. They have a choice to make. Do they want to be Russians or Ukrainians? If the former, they need to move because they aren't sitting on Russian land. Good! We agree on something!
You just helped making my point. Yes, we should not have to be forced to have other costumes forced down our throats because someone decided to move here and instead of absorbing our costumes and laws want to force theirs. So, why move here in the first place? Why not stay where they came from if it was so good? Yet, here we are having to accept things like "sharia law", having to be "politically correct" because someone might "feel offended" and plenty other bullshit. Why Ukraine would be different, considering that in its eastern region the pro-Russians are majority? If we cannot fix our own home what kind of moral do we have to condemn someone else? And actually, you make another good point because if it's already bad here the way it is, if the libs get their "immigration reform" we may be looking like Ukraine soon. Um, Mexico is not invading our shores... More herp derp from Putin's stooge. That was not the point, you know it. However, if you want to play: the Mexicans might have something to say about Texas. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:46:33 AM EDT
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You are parroting his propaganda. You obviously believe the shit he spews. Now show me just once where I have praised anything Obama has done. Or stop your childish lies about those who oppose Putin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After you show where I praised Putin.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:54:19 AM EDT
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After you show where I praised Putin.
You are parroting his propaganda. You obviously believe the shit he spews. Now show me just once where I have praised anything Obama has done. Or stop your childish lies about those who oppose Putin. Really? You have to recognize he is acting in Russia's best interest. I.e. "crush America".
The White House commie has been already doing it for five years. I.e. "crush America". So, considering one wants and the other is doing, the first seems a lesser evil option. Meaning, he at least crushes "the other side". http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1531686_From_Russia_with_Spite___Open_Letter_from_Pootty_Poot__Putin__to_America.html&r=42682756&dlnk=1#i42682756 There is your admiration of the dictator. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:01:31 AM EDT
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Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? Really? You haven't heard of the Pogroms under Stalin? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:04:18 AM EDT
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I am questioning their legitimacy, since it's very clear it's not supported by a very large number of Ukrainians, mostly in the East and South. And their hands are not clean also, as we saw in several news and testimonies already posted. So, do not tell me that I have to bow to a government that got into power via a coup (or whatever you want to call it) and several of its constituents have some shady interests. Yeah, news and testimonies from Russian state news and pro-Russian agitators. Yanukovych was replaced by the elected representatives after he and Russia had protestors shot. I guess you're okay with that kind of legitimacy, eh? And who the fuck said you should bow to the new govt? You are a Russian agent, aren't you? You sure as hell can't be a native American considering the way you write and the shit you spew in support of a dictator. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:09:40 AM EDT
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That was not the point, you know it. However, if you want to play: the Mexicans might have something to say about Texas. We are discussing the Ukraine, a country that has been invaded by a country run by a dictator who finally admitted that he sent troops to annex the Crimea. You know the last time a country had part of it annexed? It was by another evil dictator who spewed propaganda that people like you believed. Mexico is not going to invade and annex Texas, not even a decent try. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:12:03 AM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1531686_From_Russia_with_Spite___Open_Letter_from_Pootty_Poot__Putin__to_America.html&r=42682756&dlnk=1#i42682756 There is your admiration of the dictator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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After you show where I praised Putin.
You are parroting his propaganda. You obviously believe the shit he spews. Now show me just once where I have praised anything Obama has done. Or stop your childish lies about those who oppose Putin. Really? You have to recognize he is acting in Russia's best interest. I.e. "crush America".
The White House commie has been already doing it for five years. I.e. "crush America". So, considering one wants and the other is doing, the first seems a lesser evil option. Meaning, he at least crushes "the other side". http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1531686_From_Russia_with_Spite___Open_Letter_from_Pootty_Poot__Putin__to_America.html&r=42682756&dlnk=1#i42682756 There is your admiration of the dictator. What's wrong, comrade? Cat got your tongue? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:12:16 AM EDT
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http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1531686_From_Russia_with_Spite___Open_Letter_from_Pootty_Poot__Putin__to_America.html&r=42682756&dlnk=1#i42682756 There is your admiration of the dictator. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You are parroting his propaganda. You obviously believe the shit he spews. Now show me just once where I have praised anything Obama has done. Or stop your childish lies about those who oppose Putin. Really? You have to recognize he is acting in Russia's best interest. I.e. "crush America".
The White House commie has been already doing it for five years. I.e. "crush America". So, considering one wants and the other is doing, the first seems a lesser evil option. Meaning, he at least crushes "the other side". http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/1531686_From_Russia_with_Spite___Open_Letter_from_Pootty_Poot__Putin__to_America.html&r=42682756&dlnk=1#i42682756 There is your admiration of the dictator. Of you are going to quote at least post the full context. Quoted:
Quoted: Quoted: People are cheering for an asshole that goes to sleep at night counting ICBMs pointing at US cities and the re-emergence of the Glory days of the Soviet Union. What's that say about the Obama administration? What does that say about Americans? That people are so spiteful they would rather cheer for a guy who loved the Soviet Union and wishes he could crush America. You have to recognize he is acting in Russia's best interest. I.e. "crush America". The White House commie has been already doing it for five years. I.e. "crush America". So, considering one wants and the other is doing, the first seems a lesser evil option. Meaning, he at least crushes "the other side". Context is everything: We were discussing internal and external enemies. The commie here in US is actually causing more damage than Putin. Pointing that out does not mean I admire Putin. Furthermore, where was the "propaganda" in that post? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:13:43 AM EDT
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Shall I also post all the times you have linked to Russian state news?
That might take awhile of course.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:15:32 AM EDT
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We are discussing the Ukraine, a country that has been invaded by a country run by a dictator who finally admitted that he sent troops to annex the Crimea. You know the last time a country had part of it annexed? It was by another evil dictator who spewed propaganda that people like you believed. Mexico is not going to invade and annex Texas, not even a decent try. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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That was not the point, you know it. However, if you want to play: the Mexicans might have something to say about Texas. We are discussing the Ukraine, a country that has been invaded by a country run by a dictator who finally admitted that he sent troops to annex the Crimea. You know the last time a country had part of it annexed? It was by another evil dictator who spewed propaganda that people like you believed. Mexico is not going to invade and annex Texas, not even a decent try. Interesting how you always divert pretending you did not understand the point. Anyway... carry on. I'm done for tonight. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:21:01 AM EDT
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Shall I also post all the times you have linked to Russian state news? That might take awhile of course. If that makes you happy. But please remember to also post all the times I linked to other sources.
The difference between us is that I try to get info from both sides, since it's clear we are not being told everything about that mess. You, on the other hand, only accept your one-sided view and whenever proved wrong spills the "Russian propaganda" line. But you already know that, since you are so meticulously tracking my posts.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:21:06 AM EDT
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Context is everything: We were discussing internal and external enemies. The commie here in US is actually causing more damage than Putin. Pointing that out does not mean I admire Putin. Furthermore, where was the "propaganda" in that post? LOL! Yeah, that was admiration. You think a dictator is a lesser of two evils when it comes to an elected asshole who will be gone in 2017. Now, show me where I have ever praised our president's actions or even his fucking suit or apologise for saying I love Obama and must be on welfare or some fucking shit. We can take this to the pit if you want. You show me where I have praised anything in regards to Obama and I will leave or you can apologise right here and right now as a man does when he is wrong. BTW, I'm in the top 10% of wage earners. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:22:14 AM EDT
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If that makes you happy. But please remember to also post all the times I linked to other sources.
The difference between us is that I try to get info from both sides, since it's clear we are not being told everything about that mess. You, on the other hand, only accept your one-sided view and whenever proved wrong spills the "Russian propaganda" line. But you already know that, since you are so meticulously tracking my posts.
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Shall I also post all the times you have linked to Russian state news? That might take awhile of course. If that makes you happy. But please remember to also post all the times I linked to other sources.
The difference between us is that I try to get info from both sides, since it's clear we are not being told everything about that mess. You, on the other hand, only accept your one-sided view and whenever proved wrong spills the "Russian propaganda" line. But you already know that, since you are so meticulously tracking my posts.
Yeah because a Russian propaganda service run news is always equal to the free press...
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:22:58 AM EDT
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...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? Really? You haven't heard of the Pogroms under Stalin? Stalin was Georgian and saw the other Jewish members as a threat to him. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:27:57 AM EDT
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...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? Really? You haven't heard of the Pogroms under Stalin? Stalin was Georgian and saw the other Jewish members as a threat to him. But, but, the commies were mostly jews and would never go specifically after jews and kill more millions of them than Nazi Germany did.... The commies didn't just go after their political opponents, they specifically targeted jews in pogrom after pogrom. They killed many more millions than any other country. And that goes all the way back to the beginnings of Russia. How you gonna try to spin that? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:35:27 AM EDT
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But, but, the commies were mostly jews and would never go specifically after jews and kill more millions of them than Nazi Germany did.... The commies didn't just go after their political opponents, they specifically targeted jews in pogrom after pogrom. They killed many more millions than any other country. And that goes all the way back to the beginnings of Russia. How you gonna try to spin that? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? Really? You haven't heard of the Pogroms under Stalin? Stalin was Georgian and saw the other Jewish members as a threat to him. But, but, the commies were mostly jews and would never go specifically after jews and kill more millions of them than Nazi Germany did.... The commies didn't just go after their political opponents, they specifically targeted jews in pogrom after pogrom. They killed many more millions than any other country. And that goes all the way back to the beginnings of Russia. How you gonna try to spin that? Your starting to confuse Stalinism with communism, Bolshevism and the Russian Empire. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:37:03 AM EDT
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LOL! Yeah, that was admiration. You think a dictator is a lesser of two evils when it comes to an elected asshole who will be gone in 2017. Now, show me where I have ever praised our president's actions or even his fucking suit or apologise for saying I love Obama and must be on welfare or some fucking shit. We can take this to the pit if you want. You show me where I have praised anything in regards to Obama and I will leave or you can apologise right here and right now as a man does when he is wrong. BTW, I'm in the top 10% of wage earners. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Context is everything: We were discussing internal and external enemies. The commie here in US is actually causing more damage than Putin. Pointing that out does not mean I admire Putin. Furthermore, where was the "propaganda" in that post? LOL! Yeah, that was admiration. You think a dictator is a lesser of two evils when it comes to an elected asshole who will be gone in 2017. Now, show me where I have ever praised our president's actions or even his fucking suit or apologise for saying I love Obama and must be on welfare or some fucking shit. We can take this to the pit if you want. You show me where I have praised anything in regards to Obama and I will leave or you can apologise right here and right now as a man does when he is wrong. BTW, I'm in the top 10% of wage earners. Nope. You are making things up and we already went through this. So, for the last time. Read that and you see that I clearly said "both are evil". One is an external evil and the other an internal evil. The latter's damage will not go after he goes away as you keep trying to convince us. It will take a lot of time and money to fix it. Saying that it's not is at least naive. So, do not try to twist what I meant. What being "in the top 10%" has anything to do with this? Actually, the Ukrainian whose ousting you celebrate was also a "top earner". What do you want to infer by that?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:50:04 AM EDT
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Well, ya know, Europe could start stepping up a bit, don'cha think? Doesn't have to be US all the fucking time. That's defeatist commie talk, traveler. If Europeans don't want to defend Ukraine, and Ukrainians don't want to defend Ukraine, well, sounds like a job for Uncle Sam! |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 2:56:02 AM EDT
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Nope. You are making things up and we already went through this. So, for the last time. Read that and you see that I clearly said "both are evil". One is an external evil and the other an internal evil. The latter's damage will not go after he goes away as you keep trying to convince us. It will take a lot of time and money to fix it. Saying that it's not is at least naive. So, do not try to twist what I meant. What being "in the top 10%" has anything to do with this? Actually, the Ukrainian whose ousting you celebrate was also a "top earner". What do you want to infer by that?
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Context is everything: We were discussing internal and external enemies. The commie here in US is actually causing more damage than Putin. Pointing that out does not mean I admire Putin. Furthermore, where was the "propaganda" in that post? LOL! Yeah, that was admiration. You think a dictator is a lesser of two evils when it comes to an elected asshole who will be gone in 2017. Now, show me where I have ever praised our president's actions or even his fucking suit or apologise for saying I love Obama and must be on welfare or some fucking shit. We can take this to the pit if you want. You show me where I have praised anything in regards to Obama and I will leave or you can apologise right here and right now as a man does when he is wrong. BTW, I'm in the top 10% of wage earners. Nope. You are making things up and we already went through this. So, for the last time. Read that and you see that I clearly said "both are evil". One is an external evil and the other an internal evil. The latter's damage will not go after he goes away as you keep trying to convince us. It will take a lot of time and money to fix it. Saying that it's not is at least naive. So, do not try to twist what I meant. What being "in the top 10%" has anything to do with this? Actually, the Ukrainian whose ousting you celebrate was also a "top earner". What do you want to infer by that?
LOL! That was weak as hell! SO, now that I'm not a welfare receiver I should support your communist stooge? Um, no. You clearly showed admiration for him and that he works for his country's interests. It's there in black and white. You continuously refer to Russian state propaganda and call it the truth. That's a fact I am nowhere near alone in recognizing. Now apologise for calling me an Obama supporter. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 3:03:51 AM EDT
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That's defeatist commie talk, traveler. If Europeans don't want to defend Ukraine, and Ukrainians don't want to defend Ukraine, well, sounds like a job for Uncle Sam! Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Posted: 4/18/2014 6:26:52 AM EDT
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And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? I'll only take an obamaphone if it comes with 4G. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 6:42:38 AM EDT
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I almost wish a shooting war would start just so all the purse swinging in here would stop.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:06:24 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Really? You haven't heard of the Pogroms under Stalin? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Originally Posted By Citadel- ...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? Really? You haven't heard of the Pogroms under Stalin? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:23:28 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:24:04 AM EDT
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And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? I'll only take an obamaphone if it comes with 4G. Shit, I just want to see where I praised or supported how Obama is handling this or any other thing. Someone's dogs are not all barking and I don't think it's me. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:24:57 AM EDT
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...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. Well it proves that at some point far right white supremacists started replacing our Gandhi loving protestors. I'm sure they just happened to find all those flags on the way to the protest. As for the Russian's anti semitism you are keeping in mind Kal Marx was a Jew, Lenin was a Jew, most of the original communist party and commissars were Jewish aren't you? Really? You haven't heard of the Pogroms under Stalin? A rose by any other name... I didn't even bring up how the russkies tended to help the Einsatzgruppen kill jews by the millions once they were occupied by the Nazis. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:25:03 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2014 7:28:57 AM EDT
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:23:00 AM EDT
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. The point I was attempting to make is that many countries have significant populations of folks native to other countries. Many native Mexicans currently live in Texas, Arizona and California. Some are here legally, many are not. Either way, if some day they suddenly decide to grab those lands and make them a part of Mexico and place them under Mexican rule, that is a problem. And that would not be legal. By coming here and/or deciding to make the United States their home, they are accepting the US way of life as their own. To become citizens, they need to assimilate. I am also of the opinion that if they are unwilling to do this and wish to simply make the US into Mexico North that they need to pack up their shit and return home. I feel the exact same way about native Russians living in Ukraine. Either they need to become fully assimilated, proud Ukrainians. Or they need to pack up their shit and move to Russia where they will find things more agreeable. They have no right to try to take over portions of that country and turn it into Russia West. What these people are doing in Ukraine is simply WRONG. They have a choice to make. Do they want to be Russians or Ukrainians? If the former, they need to move because they aren't sitting on Russian land. Good! We agree on something!
You just helped making my point. Yes, we should not have to be forced to have other costumes forced down our throats because someone decided to move here and instead of absorbing our costumes and laws want to force theirs. So, why move here in the first place? Why not stay where they came from if it was so good? Yet, here we are having to accept things like "sharia law", having to be "politically correct" because someone might "feel offended" and plenty other bullshit. Why Ukraine would be different, considering that in its eastern region the pro-Russians are majority? If we cannot fix our own home what kind of moral do we have to condemn someone else? And actually, you make another good point because if it's already bad here the way it is, if the libs get their "immigration reform" we may be looking like Ukraine soon. Um, Mexico is not invading our shores... More herp derp from Putin's stooge. yawn.. If someone does not agree with your position doesn't make them a stooge or pro-Putin/Russia. Also, its very telling that someone with such a dogmatic view of the situation throws around the 'brainwashed' label. I am guessing you are over 50 and served during the cold war |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 8:40:41 AM EDT
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Well, ya know, Europe could start stepping up a bit, don'cha think? Doesn't have to be US all the fucking time. That's defeatist commie talk, traveler. If Europeans don't want to defend Ukraine, and Ukrainians don't want to defend Ukraine, well, sounds like a job for Uncle Sam! We are the heavy lifters as always. No other country has our capability or our resources, not to mention sheer size. A free and unthreatened Europe, especially during a shaky economy, is in our national interests. You sure about that? If the EU had worked out like the eurocrats had wanted they would be a quasi nation with 500 million people, advanced technology, deep water ports, advanced military and their own foreign policy. They would have been a direct competitor to our national interest. |
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A free and unthreatened Europe, especially during a shaky economy, is in our national interests. You sure about that? If the EU had worked out like the eurocrats had wanted they would be a quasi nation with 500 million people, advanced technology, deep water ports, advanced military and their own foreign policy. They would have been a direct competitor to our national interest. I guess that would depend on your perception of our national interests. The US has never been afraid of legit economic competition - we've tended to foster it. Its not like we rebuilt western europe, thereby making them competitive again, or anything. Its not like the occupation of Japan and imposition of its constitution led to a stupendous increase in economic output. Man, they don't teach these plants much about all the economic development this country supports. I guess thats by design, though. |
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