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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:49:45 PM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:53:03 PM EDT
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Man, it must be all hands on deck in your GRU section, eh? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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More disinformation as usual. Last two pics are same day when both sides escalated violence. Here are the peaceful protests almost two months prior. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Protesters_throwing_pieces_of_paving_during_and_metal_tubes_at_riot_police_during_clashes_at_Bankova_str%2C_Kiev%2C_Ukraine._December_1%2C_2013.jpg/800px-Protesters_throwing_pieces_of_paving_during_and_metal_tubes_at_riot_police_during_clashes_at_Bankova_str%2C_Kiev%2C_Ukraine._December_1%2C_2013.jpg Man, it must be all hands on deck in your GRU section, eh? Some of the hands are on deck. But clearly, some hands are on dick....Putin's. It is pretty obvious who the owners of those hands are just by taking a look at this thread. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:54:21 PM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html That's not even worth the bother of handing out. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:56:49 PM EDT
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That's not even worth the bother of handing out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html That's not even worth the bother of handing out. Well, ya know, Europe could start stepping up a bit, don'cha think? Doesn't have to be US all the fucking time. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:58:28 PM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html A US division would be greater non-lethal aid than any of that. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 8:58:52 PM EDT
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It's not about the people - it's about the land. The people are a mere excuse. Frankly, Russia could give two shits about the people involved. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. It's not about the people - it's about the land. The people are a mere excuse. Frankly, Russia could give two shits about the people involved. Oh, it is definitely about the land...and the resources. I was just going along with the argument some are putting forth here that this is somehow all about the people. If it were merely about people, the above example would have been put into action by now. The Russians give less than two fucks about native Russians living in Ukraine. They just want to grab another piece of territory and the resources that go along with it. The people make a convenient excuse to accomplish that end goal. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:03:13 PM EDT
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That's not even worth the bother of handing out. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html That's not even worth the bother of handing out. I dunno....I suppose some K-Pots, steel pots or even safety helmets would be a significant improvement over the colander strainers we've seen some of the Ukrainian protestors wearing: 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:06:28 PM EDT
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I dunno....I suppose some K-Pots, steel pots or even safety helmets would be a significant improvement over the colander strainers we've seen some of the Ukrainian protestors wearing: http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01902/Colander-heads_620_1902920a.jpg
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html That's not even worth the bother of handing out. I dunno....I suppose some K-Pots, steel pots or even safety helmets would be a significant improvement over the colander strainers we've seen some of the Ukrainian protestors wearing: http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01902/Colander-heads_620_1902920a.jpg
The strainers are, probably, more comfortable. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 9:08:49 PM EDT
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I dunno....I suppose some K-Pots, steel pots or even safety helmets would be a significant improvement over the colander strainers we've seen some of the Ukrainian protestors wearing: http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01902/Colander-heads_620_1902920a.jpg
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html That's not even worth the bother of handing out. I dunno....I suppose some K-Pots, steel pots or even safety helmets would be a significant improvement over the colander strainers we've seen some of the Ukrainian protestors wearing: http://img.thesun.co.uk/aidemitlum/archive/01902/Colander-heads_620_1902920a.jpg
There was some law against wearing helmets so the Maidan took up wearing some zany shit to protest the law. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:52:13 PM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html I suppose we fired up the printing presses to pay for all of the free shit that Russia will end up with |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 10:56:08 PM EDT
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A US division would be greater non-lethal aid than any of that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html A US division would be greater non-lethal aid than any of that. We don't have a division to send or the logistics needed. And even if we did we would never go to war for Ukraine. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:09:46 PM EDT
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I still say we reduce welfare/ssi/food stamps, then subsidize frakking in Poland, then forward deploy an armored division and a couple squadrons of fighters to Poland.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:24:31 PM EDT
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He has biased opinions, but also some solid work. LTC Oliver North would probably be unknown to us without him. The Wiki on him is extremely informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_%28journalist%29 The Wiki on the October Surprise may help explain why he wrote those Anti-Reagan/Bush comments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Robert Parry is a left wing communist stooge. He has biased opinions, but also some solid work. LTC Oliver North would probably be unknown to us without him. The Wiki on him is extremely informative: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Parry_%28journalist%29 The Wiki on the October Surprise may help explain why he wrote those Anti-Reagan/Bush comments: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/October_Surprise_conspiracy_theory I'm not surprised commie stooges would respect each others work. The October surprise crap is nothing but loose change truther type shit. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:24:33 PM EDT
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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I don't want to alarm you, but it appears all you're derp fell out. You might want to patch that up so you can keep posting. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:34:17 PM EDT
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Bingo you get it. I know people that supported Maidan and the overthrow of Yanukovitch, and later supported Crimea joining Russia. Same people. Ukraine is a failed state, no revenue, no jobs. Yats proposals to increase cost of living, and decrease pensions, in order to get a bailout is a 100% guaranteed losing platform. Add on top of that the racism, and you get what we see now. Common attitude is "The oligarchs stole our money, why should we pay for them to get a bailout". Does that sentiment sound familiar? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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The way I see this is that once someone starts making arbitrary decisions and taking arbitrary steps towards whatever they "believe in" with total disregard for the other parties things can escalate and get messy very fast. Ukraine's "new government" was an arbitrary step from a minority (for whatever reason) and has no legitimacy. Therefore, now everyone over there feels they can do whatever they want. Bingo you get it. I know people that supported Maidan and the overthrow of Yanukovitch, and later supported Crimea joining Russia. Same people. Ukraine is a failed state, no revenue, no jobs. Yats proposals to increase cost of living, and decrease pensions, in order to get a bailout is a 100% guaranteed losing platform. Add on top of that the racism, and you get what we see now. Common attitude is "The oligarchs stole our money, why should we pay for them to get a bailout". Does that sentiment sound familiar? Yes. Very familiar. Difference is that here half population was bribed with freebies and a good portion of the rest considers itself "well educated" (must be one of the biggest delusional beliefs I ever saw) and supports the crooks in power.
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:42:36 PM EDT
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Illegal armed groups to be disarmed? I've only seen Ukrainians arming themselves to defend from Russia.  So Kerry is helping hand Ukraine over to Russia. The RUSSIANS will not turn in arms, so that'll only affect Ukrainians who are trying to fight back. Son of a bitch.  Quote HistoryQuoted:
(CNN) -- Diplomats meeting for emergency talks on the crisis in Ukraine issued a joint statement Thursday aimed at de-escalating the tensions and ensuring the security of all Ukrainians.
It calls for all illegal armed groups to be disarmed, all illegally seized buildings to be returned to legitimate owners, and for all occupied public spaces to be vacated. The statement followed talks lasting several hours between U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, his acting Ukrainian counterpart Andriy Deshchytsia and EU foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton. Illegal armed groups to be disarmed? I've only seen Ukrainians arming themselves to defend from Russia. So Kerry is helping hand Ukraine over to Russia. The RUSSIANS will not turn in arms, so that'll only affect Ukrainians who are trying to fight back. Son of a bitch. We can see the anti-gun retarded hands here. So, they really keep believing, even in a country that could fall into a civil war at any time, that people illegally armed will disarm or let be disarmed? Really? 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:51:30 PM EDT
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:54:30 PM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html I suppose we fired up the printing presses to pay for all of the free shit that Russia will end up with We're giving far more to JoeJack, Ella May, Tyrone, and Bunifa to sit at home and watch Judge Mathis. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:57:41 PM EDT
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A The US division XVIII Airborne Corps would be greater non-lethal aid than any of that. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html A The US division XVIII Airborne Corps would be greater non-lethal aid than any of that. Fixed to reflect my preferences. 
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:58:39 PM EDT
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We're giving far more to JoeJack, Ella May, Tyrone, and Bunifa to sit at home and watch Judge Mathis. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html I suppose we fired up the printing presses to pay for all of the free shit that Russia will end up with We're giving far more to JoeJack, Ella May, Tyrone, and Bunifa to sit at home and watch Judge Mathis. Judge Mathis is presently incarcerated. The Irony. |
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Posted: 4/17/2014 11:59:56 PM EDT
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Fixed to reflect my preferences.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:01:40 AM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html A The US division XVIII Airborne Corps would be greater non-lethal aid than any of that. Fixed to reflect my preferences.
Don't you have a GRU handler to blow or a wall to help rebuild in East Germany? Why are you still here?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:03:21 AM EDT
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Some folks raised against a government they do not believe in (for whatever reason) here and in Ukraine. So, in Ukraine, the eastern folks are clearly pro-Russia and do not seem to want anything to do with the new self-appointed government and are raising against it. According to some in this thread, these folks are traitors of Ukraine and just Russian tools. So, how does one define who is a "traitor" (or a puppet) or a "patriot"?
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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Trying to compare things that aren't really comparable doesn't really prove the point you are trying to make. Some folks raised against a government they do not believe in (for whatever reason) here and in Ukraine. So, in Ukraine, the eastern folks are clearly pro-Russia and do not seem to want anything to do with the new self-appointed government and are raising against it. According to some in this thread, these folks are traitors of Ukraine and just Russian tools. So, how does one define who is a "traitor" (or a puppet) or a "patriot"?
The posters' methodology of selecting who is right or wrong follows the same arbitrary pattern of the dictator they seem to be so adamantly against. So, yes, it's relevant to the point. There is one dictator in your comparison and the people you admire in the Ukraine are fighting for him. His name is Vladimir Putin. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:04:12 AM EDT
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That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. LOL are you implying minorities are not really Americans? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:06:38 AM EDT
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I'm so glad the "pro-Russian militants" are here to save us from all the Right Sector neo-Nazis! Hey, wait a minute... Jews ordered to "register" in Donetsk Jesus. That's just... What possible gain does Russia have from doing that? What's shocking ? Russians hate Jews and have for centuries upon centuries. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Indeed, this is common knowledge despite all of Russia's silly propaganda about fascists and nazis. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:09:34 AM EDT
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More disinformation as usual. Last two pics are same day when both sides escalated violence. Here are the peaceful protests almost two months prior. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/92/Protesters_throwing_pieces_of_paving_during_and_metal_tubes_at_riot_police_during_clashes_at_Bankova_str%2C_Kiev%2C_Ukraine._December_1%2C_2013.jpg/800px-Protesters_throwing_pieces_of_paving_during_and_metal_tubes_at_riot_police_during_clashes_at_Bankova_str%2C_Kiev%2C_Ukraine._December_1%2C_2013.jpg Man, it must be all hands on deck in your GRU section, eh? LOL no shit, another true believer emerges. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:11:08 AM EDT
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Judge Mathis is presently incarcerated. The Irony. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html I suppose we fired up the printing presses to pay for all of the free shit that Russia will end up with We're giving far more to JoeJack, Ella May, Tyrone, and Bunifa to sit at home and watch Judge Mathis. Judge Mathis is presently incarcerated. The Irony. That sucks. I liked his show. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:15:59 AM EDT
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Don't you have a GRU handler to blow or a wall to help rebuild in East Germany? Why are you still here? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Don't you have a GRU handler to blow or a wall to help rebuild in East Germany? Why are you still here? It was funny the first 10 times. Can you think of anything else? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:27:24 AM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html I suppose we fired up the printing presses to pay for all of the free shit that Russia will end up with We're giving far more to JoeJack, Ella May, Tyrone, and Bunifa to sit at home and watch Judge Mathis. Judge Mathis is presently incarcerated. The Irony. That sucks. I liked his show. Judge Joe Brown is locked away, I was mistaken. Call JoeJack, Ella May, Tyrone, and Bunifa and tell them for me
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:28:43 AM EDT
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Except from Putins interview today.
Retired people in Russia are very active. Here’s the next question: “Are there any plans regarding the annexation of Alaska? We would be very happy to see that happen. Thank you. Pensioner Faina Ivanovna.”
KIRILL KLEYMENOV: That’s a popular joke, Mr Putin. They call Alaska “Ice Crimea” in jest. VLADIMIR PUTIN: Yes, I’m aware of that. Faina Ivanovna, why do you need Alaska? By the way, Alaska was sold sometime in the 19th century. Louisiana was sold to the United States by the French at about the same time. Thousands of square kilometres were sold for $7.2 million, although in gold. We can calculate the equivalent amount, but it was definitely inexpensive. Russia is a northern country with 70% of its territory located in the north and the far north. Alaska is not located in the southern hemisphere, either, is it? It’s cold out there as well. Let’s not get worked up about it, all right? http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/transcript-vladimir-putins-april-17-qanda/2014/04/17/ff77b4a2-c635-11e3-8b9a-8e0977a24aeb_story.html |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:30:18 AM EDT
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. LOL are you implying minorities are not really Americans? You understood what I meant. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:31:00 AM EDT
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Ukraine follows a pattern. IMF is not your friend. Spain, Greece, Portugal, etc... all took IMF money and civil unrest followed. IMF "bailouts" = debt slavery, and misery for the people. Yatsenyuk is an IMF stooge, who shipped all of Ukraines gold out of the country and has told the citizens of his country, that he will cut pensions and increase utility costs. That is a very bad way to treat citizens that just rebelled because of poor economic prospects. Once winter sets in again, I think even Western Ukraine will turn on Yats and we will see maidan 3 happen. Now I know for a fact (From my relatives that live in Crimea), that the Russians are paying double salaries and double pensions. So its a very straight forward economic choice, side with Yats, and starve, or side with Russia and have a full belly. Add on top of that the anti Russian racism of the Yats administration, and I think that the situation in eastern Ukraine will be crystal clear. The attitude in this thread is very condescending and assumes that the Ukrainians are incapable of independent thought. Historically, it is a very tough question, what better or worse, to be a debt slave to the IMF or to be a subject of the Russian empire. No one that I have spoken to in Ukraine has any illusion about freedom or any such nonsense. They are faced with very bad choices, and awful economic prospects, so many will follow the money, its a human thing to do. Dah comrade, better to live under dictator! |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:38:18 AM EDT
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. LOL are you implying minorities are not really Americans? You understood what I meant. Strange you would pick that post to quote to make it. You really have a large collection of convoluted and nonsensical derp in this thread. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:41:06 AM EDT
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There is one dictator in your comparison and the people you admire in the Ukraine are fighting for him. His name is Vladimir Putin. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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Trying to compare things that aren't really comparable doesn't really prove the point you are trying to make. Some folks raised against a government they do not believe in (for whatever reason) here and in Ukraine. So, in Ukraine, the eastern folks are clearly pro-Russia and do not seem to want anything to do with the new self-appointed government and are raising against it. According to some in this thread, these folks are traitors of Ukraine and just Russian tools. So, how does one define who is a "traitor" (or a puppet) or a "patriot"?
The posters' methodology of selecting who is right or wrong follows the same arbitrary pattern of the dictator they seem to be so adamantly against. So, yes, it's relevant to the point. There is one dictator in your comparison and the people you admire in the Ukraine are fighting for him. His name is Vladimir Putin. And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:44:40 AM EDT
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And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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Trying to compare things that aren't really comparable doesn't really prove the point you are trying to make. Some folks raised against a government they do not believe in (for whatever reason) here and in Ukraine. So, in Ukraine, the eastern folks are clearly pro-Russia and do not seem to want anything to do with the new self-appointed government and are raising against it. According to some in this thread, these folks are traitors of Ukraine and just Russian tools. So, how does one define who is a "traitor" (or a puppet) or a "patriot"?
The posters' methodology of selecting who is right or wrong follows the same arbitrary pattern of the dictator they seem to be so adamantly against. So, yes, it's relevant to the point. There is one dictator in your comparison and the people you admire in the Ukraine are fighting for him. His name is Vladimir Putin. And clearly you admire the incompetent, corrupt, mediocre and promiscuous little dictator wannabe in the White House. Do you get extra minutes in your free cellphone and more dollars in your EBT card for praising him like you do? LOL, so let me get this straight...you must love Putin to hate Obama and if you hate Putin you must love Obama. Were you this pro protest when it was W. Ukrainians doing it?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:44:49 AM EDT
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A The US division XVIII Airborne Corps would be greater non-lethal aid than any of that. Fixed to reflect my preferences.
Don't you have a GRU handler to blow or a wall to help rebuild in East Germany? Why are you still here? It was funny the first 10 times. Can you think of anything else? Here the mistake you made. He and the others do not think. They are programmed. They probably did not login to the DU today to get the updated code. 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:48:30 AM EDT
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is shit happening yet? Putin just "explained" on national TV that southeastern Ukraine is really Russia, having been only ceded to Ukraine back in the empire days. I'm wondering if MikeEIB has bought a clue, or just took a new assignment. I've been following and enjoying the thread. I am currently on a business trip in Anniston, AL. And I'm sure you know the saying about arguing with retards, hence I've been lurking, and by lurking I mean waiting for new orders from Moscow.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:48:36 AM EDT
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Yes, but we are past that. Based on the current situation, imagining that "those folks" actually replaced the puppet leader by someone who the "new rebels" think is worse, thus they want to stay with the previous one (the puppet), which happened to have been "democratically elected" and did not "take power through a coup". Also, for the sake of this case, imagine that the "new government" has few to no representation in that region. So, these folks actually, believe that they would better side with Russia and are taking any help they can from their "savior". Are they traitors or patriots? The way I see this is that once someone starts making arbitrary decisions and taking arbitrary steps towards whatever they "believe in" with total disregard for the other parties things can escalate and get messy very fast. Ukraine's "new government" was an arbitrary step from a minority (for whatever reason) and has no legitimacy. Therefore, now everyone over there feels they can do whatever they want. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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Neither. If that were Ukraine, those folks above would be the people who put enough pressure on their Russian puppet leader to cause him to flee the country. Yes, but we are past that. Based on the current situation, imagining that "those folks" actually replaced the puppet leader by someone who the "new rebels" think is worse, thus they want to stay with the previous one (the puppet), which happened to have been "democratically elected" and did not "take power through a coup". Also, for the sake of this case, imagine that the "new government" has few to no representation in that region. So, these folks actually, believe that they would better side with Russia and are taking any help they can from their "savior". Are they traitors or patriots? The way I see this is that once someone starts making arbitrary decisions and taking arbitrary steps towards whatever they "believe in" with total disregard for the other parties things can escalate and get messy very fast. Ukraine's "new government" was an arbitrary step from a minority (for whatever reason) and has no legitimacy. Therefore, now everyone over there feels they can do whatever they want. Yeah, if you just forget the widespread accusations of fraud during Yanukovych's election, his cracking down on any opposition , not to mention the jailing of his former opponent in the 2010 election, and press censorship etc. Yeah, your guy who also supports a dictator is a real peach. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:50:17 AM EDT
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. LOL are you implying minorities are not really Americans? You understood what I meant. Strange you would pick that post to quote to make it. You really have a large collection of convoluted and nonsensical derp in this thread. You realize that YOU replied to my comment, correct? I replied to you. So, YOU picked the post.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:52:43 AM EDT
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I'm so glad the "pro-Russian militants" are here to save us from all the Right Sector neo-Nazis! Hey, wait a minute... Jews ordered to "register" in Donetsk Jesus. That's just... What possible gain does Russia have from doing that? What's shocking ? Russians hate Jews and have for centuries upon centuries. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Indeed, this is common knowledge despite all of Russia's silly propaganda about fascists and nazis. Of course no one knows who gave out the pamphlet or if it's a hoax or not as stated in the article. I guess the Russians planted all those neo nazi and confederate flags in the Maiden too. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:54:45 AM EDT
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You realize that YOU replied to my comment, correct? I replied to you. So, YOU picked the post.
It appears you forgot your meds again today. Take a break and go take them. I'll wait. Reading is fundamental. Who had the first post in that block genius, and who quoted it? 
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:55:45 AM EDT
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Yeah, if you just forget the widespread accusations of fraud during Yanukovych's election, his cracking down on any opposition , not to mention the jailing of his former opponent in the 2010 election, and press censorship etc. Yeah, your guy who also supports a dictator is a real peach. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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Neither. If that were Ukraine, those folks above would be the people who put enough pressure on their Russian puppet leader to cause him to flee the country. Yes, but we are past that. Based on the current situation, imagining that "those folks" actually replaced the puppet leader by someone who the "new rebels" think is worse, thus they want to stay with the previous one (the puppet), which happened to have been "democratically elected" and did not "take power through a coup". Also, for the sake of this case, imagine that the "new government" has few to no representation in that region. So, these folks actually, believe that they would better side with Russia and are taking any help they can from their "savior". Are they traitors or patriots? The way I see this is that once someone starts making arbitrary decisions and taking arbitrary steps towards whatever they "believe in" with total disregard for the other parties things can escalate and get messy very fast. Ukraine's "new government" was an arbitrary step from a minority (for whatever reason) and has no legitimacy. Therefore, now everyone over there feels they can do whatever they want. Yeah, if you just forget the widespread accusations of fraud during Yanukovych's election, his cracking down on any opposition , not to mention the jailing of his former opponent in the 2010 election, and press censorship etc. Yeah, your guy who also supports a dictator is a real peach. And the folks running the new government are models of honesty, right? Are you guys even reading all the news or there's some kind of "filter" that blocks anything you do not want to believe?
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:57:36 AM EDT
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Of course no one knows who gave out the pamphlet or if it's a hoax or not as stated in the article. I guess the Russians planted all those neo nazi and confederate flags in the Maiden too. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I'm so glad the "pro-Russian militants" are here to save us from all the Right Sector neo-Nazis! Hey, wait a minute... Jews ordered to "register" in Donetsk Jesus. That's just... What possible gain does Russia have from doing that? What's shocking ? Russians hate Jews and have for centuries upon centuries. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Indeed, this is common knowledge despite all of Russia's silly propaganda about fascists and nazis. Of course no one knows who gave out the pamphlet or if it's a hoax or not as stated in the article. I guess the Russians planted all those neo nazi and confederate flags in the Maiden too. ...unlike your side I am not prone to derpy conspiracies so they (flags) probably were not planted by the Russians, but that hardly proves anything nor does it disprove or undermine Russian anti-Semitism, the irony of it, or anything I said. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 12:58:24 AM EDT
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How do you define "their country" in light of recent events? Maidan was a minority of the population that overthrew the President that most of the south and east voted for. The fundamental problem underlying this whole crisis is that Ukraine as a sovereign country is a joke. East and west don't get along and probably can't. The last decade has been corrupt politician from either side trying to dominate the other part of the country. The people of Ukraine don't have a unifying religion, culture or language. People from east and west have different views of what Ukrainians are. The reason I say Ukraine is a joke is that sovereign states don't allow extremist to capture and vandalize government buildings with impunity. Police and military don't defect and join protesters. They don't allow foreign countries to annex part of their country and offer no military resistance. They don't allow foreign politicians to openly support anti-government protests in the middle of the capital. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Just wondering. If this was in Ukraine, would these folks be considered "pro-Russian traitors" or "infiltrated Russian soldiers"?
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Neither. If that were Ukraine, those folks above would be the people who put enough pressure on their Russian puppet leader to cause him to flee the country. Ukrainian patriots are those who fight for THEIR country, not for Russia. How do you define "their country" in light of recent events? Maidan was a minority of the population that overthrew the President that most of the south and east voted for. The fundamental problem underlying this whole crisis is that Ukraine as a sovereign country is a joke. East and west don't get along and probably can't. The last decade has been corrupt politician from either side trying to dominate the other part of the country. The people of Ukraine don't have a unifying religion, culture or language. People from east and west have different views of what Ukrainians are. The reason I say Ukraine is a joke is that sovereign states don't allow extremist to capture and vandalize government buildings with impunity. Police and military don't defect and join protesters. They don't allow foreign countries to annex part of their country and offer no military resistance. They don't allow foreign politicians to openly support anti-government protests in the middle of the capital. Except that same government who took part of their country is a world power and threatening to take the rest of the country if they act against the protesters. As for two sides of a country not getting along and a country being a joke because of it, you could make that same argument for the US in regards to rural versus urban... Oh and as far as Yanukovych, I suggest you check his recent actions against political opponents and also the 2010 election returns. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:09:19 AM EDT
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. The point I was attempting to make is that many countries have significant populations of folks native to other countries. Many native Mexicans currently live in Texas, Arizona and California. Some are here legally, many are not. Either way, if some day they suddenly decide to grab those lands and make them a part of Mexico and place them under Mexican rule, that is a problem. And that would not be legal. By coming here and/or deciding to make the United States their home, they are accepting the US way of life as their own. To become citizens, they need to assimilate. I am also of the opinion that if they are unwilling to do this and wish to simply make the US into Mexico North that they need to pack up their shit and return home. I feel the exact same way about native Russians living in Ukraine. Either they need to become fully assimilated, proud Ukrainians. Or they need to pack up their shit and move to Russia where they will find things more agreeable. They have no right to try to take over portions of that country and turn it into Russia West. What these people are doing in Ukraine is simply WRONG. They have a choice to make. Do they want to be Russians or Ukrainians? If the former, they need to move because they aren't sitting on Russian land. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:10:04 AM EDT
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It appears you forgot your meds again today. Take a break and go take them. I'll wait. Reading is fundamental. Who had the first post in that block genius, and who quoted it? Was it you by any chance? |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:10:06 AM EDT
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U.S. Sending Ukraine Aid The U.S. will send Ukraine’s military nonlethal aid including "medical supplies, helmets, sleeping mats and water-purification units,” Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel said. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-04-17/u-s-sending-ukraine-aid-from-sleeping-mats-to-helmets.html Shit, that would be better served going to the damn Boyscouts, what a bunch of half assed cunts. |
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:18:59 AM EDT
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Here the mistake you made. He and the others do not think. They are programmed. They probably did not login to the DU today to get the updated code.
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Here the mistake you made. He and the others do not think. They are programmed. They probably did not login to the DU today to get the updated code.
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LOL, so let me get this straight...you must love Putin to hate Obama and if you hate Putin you must love Obama. Were you this pro protest when it was W. Ukrainians doing it? @ ROSSI: I cannot express in words how much I loathe the fact that you still breathe air. I hope you die in a painful, excruciating manner, that Putin himself would think is cruel and unusual. I hope that this death happens in the middle of Siberia, after you've completed your service to your mother Russia.
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Posted: 4/18/2014 1:23:30 AM EDT
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The point I was attempting to make is that many countries have significant populations of folks native to other countries. Many native Mexicans currently live in Texas, Arizona and California. Some are here legally, many are not. Either way, if some day they suddenly decide to grab those lands and make them a part of Mexico and place them under Mexican rule, that is a problem. And that would not be legal. By coming here and/or deciding to make the United States their home, they are accepting the US way of life as their own. To become citizens, they need to assimilate. I am also of the opinion that if they are unwilling to do this and wish to simply make the US into Mexico North that they need to pack up their shit and return home. I feel the exact same way about native Russians living in Ukraine. Either they need to become fully assimilated, proud Ukrainians. Or they need to pack up their shit and move to Russia where they will find things more agreeable. They have no right to try to take over portions of that country and turn it into Russia West. What these people are doing in Ukraine is simply WRONG. They have a choice to make. Do they want to be Russians or Ukrainians? If the former, they need to move because they aren't sitting on Russian land. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You know, if those in the eastern oblasts want to be a part of Russia so badly, and if Russia wants to protect them so badly, there's an easy solution. Load their asses up and bus them a few miles east. Then everyone can get what they want. The native Russians in Ukraine can become Russian citizens ruled by Russian government. And Ukraine can be Ukraine, made up of actual Ukrainians without a bunch of fucking Russians living in their midst and Russian troops on sovereign soil trying to dictate the situation as they see fit. Otherwise, they need to sit down, shut the fuck up and just accept that they are Russians living in a country that belongs to someone else. That does not seem to work anywhere. Look at the US and all the minorities who want THEIR views and rights, screw the rest. So, why a majority in Ukraine would behave differently. The point I was attempting to make is that many countries have significant populations of folks native to other countries. Many native Mexicans currently live in Texas, Arizona and California. Some are here legally, many are not. Either way, if some day they suddenly decide to grab those lands and make them a part of Mexico and place them under Mexican rule, that is a problem. And that would not be legal. By coming here and/or deciding to make the United States their home, they are accepting the US way of life as their own. To become citizens, they need to assimilate. I am also of the opinion that if they are unwilling to do this and wish to simply make the US into Mexico North that they need to pack up their shit and return home. I feel the exact same way about native Russians living in Ukraine. Either they need to become fully assimilated, proud Ukrainians. Or they need to pack up their shit and move to Russia where they will find things more agreeable. They have no right to try to take over portions of that country and turn it into Russia West. What these people are doing in Ukraine is simply WRONG. They have a choice to make. Do they want to be Russians or Ukrainians? If the former, they need to move because they aren't sitting on Russian land. Good! We agree on something!
You just helped making my point. Yes, we should not have to be forced to have other costumes forced down our throats because someone decided to move here and instead of absorbing our costumes and laws want to force theirs. So, why move here in the first place? Why not stay where they came from if it was so good? Yet, here we are having to accept things like "sharia law", having to be "politically correct" because someone might "feel offended" and plenty other bullshit. Why Ukraine would be different, considering that in its eastern region the pro-Russians are majority? If we cannot fix our own home what kind of moral do we have to condemn someone else? And actually, you make another good point because if it's already bad here the way it is, if the libs get their "immigration reform" we may be looking like Ukraine soon. |
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