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Posted: 2/13/2014 10:58:16 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:01:22 AM EDT
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Than.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:02:08 AM EDT
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the original bitching about nick this nick that seems kind of petty to me. as far as suing a site for some member posting feedback? well thats some BS.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:03:22 AM EDT
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Today's litigious society- someone got their feelings hurt.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:04:23 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: the original bitching about nick this nick that seems kind of petty to me. as far as suing a site for some member posting feedback? well thats some BS.  |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:04:25 AM EDT
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Suing on what grounds?
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:04:46 AM EDT
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the original bitching about nick this nick that seems kind of petty to me. as far as suing a site for some member posting feedback? well thats some BS.  http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=VRw1i6WTz2Y white box?
If there are mechanical problems with the gun then yea i get the bitching but the photos he posted seemed pretty petty. Now for 8 G's i guess you got an expectation of perfect and no way im paying 8 grand for a gun so i guess i will never be put in that spot. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:06:15 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Suing on what grounds? |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:08:27 AM EDT
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I'm in. Love me some gun industry drama
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:08:48 AM EDT
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Total Butt Hurt. It is really shady when you try to use the legal system to cover up badly reviewed products.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:11:01 AM EDT
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Florida wins again.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:12:03 AM EDT
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Suing on what grounds? Hahahahaha, good luck with those. 
Gotta love how companies try to cover for badly produced products. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:12:25 AM EDT
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This is amusing.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:14:19 AM EDT
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They're suing over a third party posting a bad review? That sounds like a non starter, not that I know anything about Florida law
edit oh the owner posted a personal negative review
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:15:00 AM EDT
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For $8.000 I ha e expectations of a rifle that in as close to 100% as humanly possible .
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:16:11 AM EDT
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Heh, great.
Now even more folks will see the evidence. nice going. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:16:23 AM EDT
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This is amusing. Indeed. It's an intimidation tactic. Which is legal if you use the courts. Since its a documented complaint, which is still free speach unless it was made up with malice intent, will make for a very short suit. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:23:26 AM EDT
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Indeed. It's an intimidation tactic. Which is legal if you use the courts. Since its a documented complaint, which is still free speach unless it was made up with malice intent, will make for a very short suit. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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This is amusing. Indeed. It's an intimidation tactic. Which is legal if you use the courts. Since its a documented complaint, which is still free speach unless it was made up with malice intent, will make for a very short suit. Stuff like this, and other suits in our industry in the past that were retarded will only protect "here and now" revenue...but as the internet never forgets, think about how much they are loosing down the road in a suit. Will it be a "why us?" link on their site..."not only do we make nice stuff, but we'll sue anyone that says they have had a problem with us." |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:23:59 AM EDT
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Hahahahaha, good luck with those.
Gotta love how companies try to cover for badly produced products. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Suing on what grounds? Hahahahaha, good luck with those.
Gotta love how companies try to cover for badly produced products. Exactly this. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:26:52 AM EDT
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This is amusing. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:27:15 AM EDT
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:28:54 AM EDT
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To be at least a little fair $2300 of the price was the Nightforce NXS. I am in NO WAY defending them though as that was still WAY too much for what was provided in the the end to the customer.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:29:14 AM EDT
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'Truth is an absolute defense to libel and slander.'
Chris |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:29:44 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Stuff like this, and other suits in our industry in the past that were retarded will only protect "here and now" revenue...but as the internet never forgets, think about how much they are loosing down the road in a suit. Will it be a "why us?" link on their site..."not only do we make nice stuff, but we'll sue anyone that says they have had a problem with us." Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: This is amusing. Indeed. It's an intimidation tactic. Which is legal if you use the courts. Since its a documented complaint, which is still free speach unless it was made up with malice intent, will make for a very short suit. Stuff like this, and other suits in our industry in the past that were retarded will only protect "here and now" revenue...but as the internet never forgets, think about how much they are loosing down the road in a suit. Will it be a "why us?" link on their site..."not only do we make nice stuff, but we'll sue anyone that says they have had a problem with us." |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:34:16 AM EDT
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You can't sue for slander or libel if the accusation is true. If they provided a clearly flawed product and there's evidence of that, the libel and slander are outright nonstarters and the assault is ridiculous at best. I hope they get counter sued into oblivion.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:37:46 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: You can't sue for slander or libel if the accusation is true. If they provided a clearly flawed product and there's evidence of that, the libel and slander are outright nonstarters and the assault is ridiculous at best. I hope they get counter sued into oblivion. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:37:58 AM EDT
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Who is Soulie?
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:38:36 AM EDT
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No, that means that snipershide wins $ 75k later after discovery and a jury trial. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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You can't sue for slander or libel if the accusation is true. If they provided a clearly flawed product and there's evidence of that, the libel and slander are outright nonstarters and the assault is ridiculous at best. I hope they get counter sued into oblivion. I hope Frank kicks them in the balls and takes their lunch money |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:40:18 AM EDT
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I appreciate the heads up on a company to not support. Sheesh.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:40:22 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I hope Frank kicks them in the balls and takes their lunch money Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: You can't sue for slander or libel if the accusation is true. If they provided a clearly flawed product and there's evidence of that, the libel and slander are outright nonstarters and the assault is ridiculous at best. I hope they get counter sued into oblivion. I hope Frank kicks them in the balls and takes their lunch money  |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:40:36 AM EDT
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They're suing over a third party posting a bad review? That sounds like a non starter, not that I know anything about Florida law edit oh the owner posted a personal negative review We have had to sue review sites or pay lawyers to write letters to get things taken down on occasion, especially when they were for other companies in the same industry or for areas we didn't do business
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:41:36 AM EDT
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How in the blue fuck does a company think they can stay in this kind of niche, disposable income business with shitty QC, and even worse customer service?
Now I'm no fan of Bill Wilson, but I will say his company does not fuck around with customer service. A brief anecdote from my days in the gun biz: Customer ordered some crazy high-end Wilson Combat 1911 (hell, they're ALL high-end). Pays a shitload of money, gets his gun about 2 months later, and it doesn't work. Customer calls Wilson Combat on Tuesday. Receives prepaid UPS next day box (sent overnight) on Wednesday, sends gun same day, gets gun back (sent overnight again) on FUCKING FRIDAY , running like a Swiss watch, with an extra WC magazine and a hat for his "trouble". That's insane, and that's the kind of service you have to have in the high-end gun business. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:42:17 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: We have had to sue review sites or pay lawyers to write letters to get things taken down on occasion, especially when they were for other companies in the same industry or for areas we didn't do business Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: They're suing over a third party posting a bad review? That sounds like a non starter, not that I know anything about Florida law edit oh the owner posted a personal negative review We have had to sue review sites or pay lawyers to write letters to get things taken down on occasion, especially when they were for other companies in the same industry or for areas we didn't do business |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:44:46 AM EDT
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Is there any joinder going on?
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:45:22 AM EDT
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Tactical Rifles can go fuck themselves. Their shit baggery is well known in the high end rifle community.
Hey cockbreaths, go ahead and sue me too while you're at it 
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:46:56 AM EDT
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what are you talking about? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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They're suing over a third party posting a bad review? That sounds like a non starter, not that I know anything about Florida law edit oh the owner posted a personal negative review We have had to sue review sites or pay lawyers to write letters to get things taken down on occasion, especially when they were for other companies in the same industry or for areas we didn't do business Well we have sued places where bad reviews were posted about our business that showed up including some forums. Once we provided proof we weren't involved in the complaint, reviews were usually removed. Home and gardening forums,Angie's List, yelp! rip off report, etc. Had one from Missouri that showed up I rip off report we only operate in Houston area of TX .
However the butt hurt of the gun community is amazing to me. We have never asked a valid review to be taken down. However we go out of our way to try and track down who it is so we can rectify it. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:47:43 AM EDT
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Today's litigious society- someone got their feelings hurt. Sad really. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:49:02 AM EDT
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Are they owned by SEI?
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:51:00 AM EDT
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The new America. Where you sue if someone says anything disparaging. This is why the high end manufacturers ddon't need to advertise and are backed up for years.
What a joke!!! |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:51:35 AM EDT
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$8600 for that? I've got a $600 Tikka with a better fit & finish. That's insane.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:51:53 AM EDT
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guys rifle shot a best group of .74 out of the box
an $8600 rifle my $849 remington shoots .80! with a $250 scope! jesus! |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:55:06 AM EDT
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Heh, great. Now even more folks will see the evidence. nice going. The Streisand Effect at work. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:56:19 AM EDT
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How in the blue fuck does a company think they can stay in this kind of niche, disposable income business with shitty QC, and even worse customer service? Now I'm no fan of Bill Wilson, but I will say his company does not fuck around with customer service. A brief anecdote from my days in the gun biz: Customer ordered some crazy high-end Wilson Combat 1911 (hell, they're ALL high-end). Pays a shitload of money, gets his gun about 2 months later, and it doesn't work. Customer calls Wilson Combat on Tuesday. Receives prepaid UPS next day box (sent overnight) on Wednesday, sends gun same day, gets gun back (sent overnight again) on FUCKING FRIDAY , running like a Swiss watch, with an extra WC magazine and a hat for his "trouble". That's insane, and that's the kind of service you have to have in the high-end gun business. I had a problem with a GA Precision rifle on a Saturday afternoon. I called, George answered the phone. I explained my problem, he told me how to fix it myself, or I could put it back in the case, ship it to him, and he would fix it and have it back to me on Wed. along with a T-shirt and a hat. I fixed it myself, Like you said, you have to go the extra mile, because, after all, it is someone's hard earned money. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 11:59:05 AM EDT
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guys rifle shot a best group of .74 out of the box an $8600 rifle my $849 remington shoots .80! with a $250 scope! jesus! You ought to watch this video where a real gunsmith takes the $8600 gun apart and shows you the "workmanship". These guys are clowns who bought a mill & a lathe. Why the hell anyone would send them thousands of dollars is a mystery. http://rationalgun.blogspot.com/2013/08/gun-forum-and-industry-drama-for-day.html?m=1 ETA Correction, not that same gun, it's another one from the same company. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:00:07 PM EDT
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Yikes if companies are willing to do that watch out all you guys who bitch about PSA's shipping and CS
I kid I kid.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:02:07 PM EDT
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Haven't these guys had shitty quality for a while now? This is the third post talking about their quality I've seen.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:03:04 PM EDT
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Laws are being strengthened to fuck up anyone, including governments, who do anything that impinges on a company's ability to profit. Have a bad opinion of a company's product and you make it public in a way that can be taken to be detrimental to that company? Get ready for the law suit.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:03:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Nature of Suit:Assault, Libel, and Slander Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Suing on what grounds? The site owner is not liable for the content that someone posts. The site owner must remove it if presented with legal documentation that it is not true. That's about it. Lawyers will still threaten it though. I've been threatened by a lawyer of a home owners association because I registered a site that let people talk about the home owners association. I just ignored it and nothing happened.
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:05:43 PM EDT
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You know, color me "paranoid" but if I were to file a lawsuit...it wouldn't be against a group of people who excel at shooting things from a mile or so away under adverse conditions, without leaving a trace.
I think I might just chalk that up to "lesson learned" and be on my way. But, that's just me. |
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Posted: 2/13/2014 12:07:22 PM EDT
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FOR $8,600+ say it slowly...EIGHT THOUSAND, SIX HUNDRED DOLLARS for a 308... it better be %$#@ING PERFECT...and shoot onto a caliber sized hole...truth of the matter is its shit workmanship and TACTICAL RIFLES got sand in their cybervagina over the bad press he got from two of HIS builds...and again I only get this from following the thread, the people that got TACTICAL RIFLES guns whose builds were sub contracted out to another reputable builder are happy with their rifles from what I've read...
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