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Posted: 2/3/2014 2:53:02 PM EDT
Fancy people don't need to get to Europe quickly anymore?
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed.
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It couldn't pay for itself and the crash highlighted the reduced safety factor of the aircraft.
It was a white elephant. |
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. View Quote That and expensive as hell to buy a ticket. Not so great safety rating too. That last crash in 2000 was the nail in the coffin. It wasn't a very efficient jet either, more like "Hey look what I built! Want to ride?" |
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The Concordes always lost money. They were subsidized by the British and French governments. After the crash, they found their excuse to ground the planes and get out from under the albatross.
There hasn't been interest in developing a replacement, because they'll still cost more to operate than they can generate in revenue. |
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Quoted: Isn't most of the flight over the ocean? ie JFK to LHR View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. They were actually limited to JFK-LHR. They couldn't fly from LHR to LAX, or routes like that due to noise. So their revenue was/is very limited. |
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A lot of the money for its development came from .gov during the Cold War.
There was a ~justifiable "need" for super-sonic transport during the Cold War. Now? Companies are not going to go it alone. There isn't enough of a cost-benefit. |
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That and expensive as hell to buy a ticket. Not so great safety rating too. That last crash in 2000 was the nail in the coffin. It wasn't a very efficient jet either, more like "Hey look what I built! Want to ride?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. That and expensive as hell to buy a ticket. Not so great safety rating too. That last crash in 2000 was the nail in the coffin. It wasn't a very efficient jet either, more like "Hey look what I built! Want to ride?" It was 100% first class, exacerbating the cost. High speed internet and video conferencing also doomed it. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Last I heard when I looked into flying via Concorde. A ticket was $11,000 . Also the Concorde was not allowed to land at MOST US Airports.
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People generally do not mind an extra few hours of flight time IF there are more available flights and they have more destination cities.
The weakness of the Concord was fewer cities open to it from noise and/or range. Also, fewer flights per day. |
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Saw the Concorde fly over my school as a kid in the uk...also saw it at a local airport...a truly amazing piece of equipment that I sadly would never be in a position to experience
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Something I just read about a few weeks back, apparently Boeing was convinced supersonic passenger aircraft were the future too at one point. The 747 was designed to sell a few passenger jets, then convert over to all cargo once the supersonic planes took over.
Bet they were glad to be "behind the curve" on that one. |
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I saw he first test landing at Kennedy, it was an incredible sight.
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That and expensive as hell to buy a ticket. Not so great safety rating too. That last crash in 2000 was the nail in the coffin. It wasn't a very efficient jet either, more like "Hey look what I built! Want to ride?" View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. That and expensive as hell to buy a ticket. Not so great safety rating too. That last crash in 2000 was the nail in the coffin. It wasn't a very efficient jet either, more like "Hey look what I built! Want to ride?" ? Where do you get your facts from? The SST was one of the safest modern aircraft built and it had only 1 accident and that was caused by another aircraft. After 27 years in service, the world’s only supersonic commercial aircraft has also proven to be one of the world’s safest, aviation experts say. “The Concorde is and remains one of the safest aircraft in the air to date,” says Chris Yates, editor of Jane’s Airport Security Standards & Technology. |
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remember hearing them taking off every morning - so fucking awesome
also - small insides for what you're paying for.... |
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They were actually limited to JFK-LHR. They couldn't fly from LHR to LAX, or routes like that due to noise. So their revenue was/is very limited. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. They were actually limited to JFK-LHR. They couldn't fly from LHR to LAX, or routes like that due to noise. So their revenue was/is very limited. I'm actually surprised no one has setup an asian route for an SST. Some long flights! LAX could handle it. |
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I'm actually surprised no one has setup an asian route for an SST. Some long flights! LAX could handle it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. They were actually limited to JFK-LHR. They couldn't fly from LHR to LAX, or routes like that due to noise. So their revenue was/is very limited. I'm actually surprised no one has setup an asian route for an SST. Some long flights! LAX could handle it. What would the range be on a jet like that, though? |
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I'm actually surprised no one has setup an asian route for an SST. Some long flights! LAX could handle it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. They were actually limited to JFK-LHR. They couldn't fly from LHR to LAX, or routes like that due to noise. So their revenue was/is very limited. I'm actually surprised no one has setup an asian route for an SST. Some long flights! LAX could handle it. Malaysia and India both prohibited supersonic overflights. LA to Tokyo is 5474 miles, the Concorde maxed out at 4488 miles, so a fuel stop at Hawaii would be required, not a great selling point for a plane built on speed. Kharn Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Saw the Concorde fly over my school as a kid in the uk...also saw it at a local airport...a truly amazing piece of equipment that I sadly would never be in a position to experience View Quote Saw it fly over my school in the middle of Oklahoma once....must have been a special one-time flight |
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Crazy expensive, but VERY cool. Service was brilliant.
At 60,000 feet you could see the curvature of the earth and up to to black of space. 3 hours and 20 min flight was neat. Hangout in London for the day, leave at 6pm as it was dark. Chase the sun and pass the terminator (solar line that separate day and night) and have dinner with your friends in NYC. Top on my list so when I found out it was leaving service I just had to do it. |
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I passed on a ride in one for a couple hundred bucks. Just a short hop over Canadian airspace.
They were at the Oshkosh Fly In several years. Amazing aircraft to watch do touch and goes. Max performance takeoff from a start shook the earth, and anyone within a mile or so of the flightline. |
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You could fly on a slower plane, in more luxury, for cheaper? If you just want a ride at fighter jet speeds I'm sure there are companies that will take your money and do something a little more thrilling during the flight.
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Concorde could have been more successful if it had been American
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View Quote That is one butt-ugly airframe. |
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View Quote That is one butt-ugly airframe. |
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You can say that again! |
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? Where do you get your facts from? The SST was one of the safest modern aircraft built and it had only 1 accident and that was caused by another aircraft. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted:
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Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. That and expensive as hell to buy a ticket. Not so great safety rating too. That last crash in 2000 was the nail in the coffin. It wasn't a very efficient jet either, more like "Hey look what I built! Want to ride?" ? Where do you get your facts from? The SST was one of the safest modern aircraft built and it had only 1 accident and that was caused by another aircraft. After 27 years in service, the world’s only supersonic commercial aircraft has also proven to be one of the world’s safest, aviation experts say. “The Concorde is and remains one of the safest aircraft in the air to date,” says Chris Yates, editor of Jane’s Airport Security Standards & Technology. Shhh, better watch out, people will think you're mean or something for using facts to prove your point. |
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Quoted: Isn't most of the flight over the ocean? ie JFK to LHR View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. Yes, but Boeing and Airbus planes can fly elsewhere as well. Buying Concorde locks you into flying a certain number of jets on one route. |
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Quoted: I'm actually surprised no one has setup an asian route for an SST. Some long flights! LAX could handle it. View Quote View All Quotes View All Quotes Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Expensive as hell to operate and many cities had noise ordinances in place that wouldn't allow the jet to operate at full speed. They were actually limited to JFK-LHR. They couldn't fly from LHR to LAX, or routes like that due to noise. So their revenue was/is very limited. I'm actually surprised no one has setup an asian route for an SST. Some long flights! LAX could handle it. |
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I never rode one but heard it was cramped, like riding in a tube.
It was a novelty. |
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Worked about 5 miles east of Dulles from 82-86 directly in the landing path. Was really cool to watch is on approach. Couple of the folks I worked with flew it. As others have said. Noisy, inefficient and cramped were its demise.
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Awesome Planes when it comes to looking awesome. Not so much for making ducats
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A group of enthusiasts and retired Concorde mechanics got one of the British ones running on ground power, which was neat to see. Cockpit all lit up, voices on the radio, control surface checks. They were eventually going to restart her engines, but the UK government chickened out, made then stop the entire thing and drain all her hydraulic fluids due to "insurance concerns". So now all the hoses are drying out and she'll be silent forever.
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