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Posted: 1/25/2014 5:07:15 AM EST
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These things are pretty sweet.
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Posted: 1/25/2014 5:28:11 AM EST
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How does this do on penetrating clothing?

It looks at first glance like it would have more difficulty getting through heavy clothing than a standard hollow point.

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They want you to believe each petal in centripetal action creates a saw effect......seemed to work on a water balloon I guess
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Posted: 1/25/2014 5:44:37 AM EST
Must be good stuff. The guy in the video uses the Operator Whisper

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Posted: 1/25/2014 5:50:05 AM EST
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How does this do on penetrating clothing?

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And..isn't this just a Black Talon round with a few more "petals"?



* Defeats all known barriers such as sheet metal, sheet rock, windshields, plywood, heavy winter clothing



all know barriers. Clothing should be no problem, hell it would probably lay waste to chuck norris leather and i'm sure three inches of titanium covered in a thin layer of kryptonite would be no problem either
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I see congress jumping all over this ... Seems very (Familiar)
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If I had to pick between a 9mm gold dot, a 9mm FMJ, a 9mm RIP, or a 22lr:

I'd pick the 9mm RIP. I know it's pretty unlikely to kill me.
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I'm pretty happy with my ammo selection but if you're into the firearms business you should really look into making some sort of a mount or riser that would bring the optic up farther away from the bore so I don't have to hunch down and strain to use it.
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Is that real ballistic gelatin? It looks thinner. The pieces that break off have no penetration. The single piece that penetrates deeper doesn't expand. Explain to me why this round is better than 9mm FMJ? It has a smaller diameter than 9mm so will do even less damage than. 9mm FMJ. Pure gimmick and I would strongly recommend staying away from it.

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That looks more like Perma-Gel than calibrated BG to me...


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Thank you. So we don't even know if it reaches the 10 to 12" of recommended penetration in calibrated ballistic gelatin. Pass.
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Awesome gif!

Aren't solid copper handgun bullets a no-no?
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since when?....

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Didn't see any of the blocks having a bb track, to check calibration...


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Thank you. So we don't even know if it reaches the 10 to 12" of recommended penetration in calibrated ballistic gelatin. Pass.
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Is that real ballistic gelatin? It looks thinner. The pieces that break off have no penetration. The single piece that penetrates deeper doesn't expand. Explain to me why this round is better than 9mm FMJ? It has a smaller diameter than 9mm so will do even less damage than. 9mm FMJ. Pure gimmick and I would strongly recommend staying away from it.

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That looks more like Perma-Gel than calibrated BG to me...


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Thank you. So we don't even know if it reaches the 10 to 12" of recommended penetration in calibrated ballistic gelatin. Pass.



Yeah, they state 16" but I'm sure that's bogus. I actually think there may be merit with shedding the petals as secondary projectiles but breaking out 8 may be too small for any meaningful penetration, even if it's not 12". 4 might work.

As a rule, I am skeptical of any ammo company that reach when using technical terms like "center of mass" "acoustic wave" "predictable vectors" to obfuscate bullshit.
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Yeah, they state 16" but I'm sure that's bogus. I actually think there may be merit with shedding the petals as secondary projectiles but breaking out 8 may be too small for any meaningful penetration, even if it's not 12". 4 might work.

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Originally Posted By C-4:
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Originally Posted By C-4:

Is that real ballistic gelatin? It looks thinner. The pieces that break off have no penetration. The single piece that penetrates deeper doesn't expand. Explain to me why this round is better than 9mm FMJ? It has a smaller diameter than 9mm so will do even less damage than. 9mm FMJ. Pure gimmick and I would strongly recommend staying away from it.

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this
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That looks more like Perma-Gel than calibrated BG to me...


<SNIP>


Thank you. So we don't even know if it reaches the 10 to 12" of recommended penetration in calibrated ballistic gelatin. Pass.



Yeah, they state 16" but I'm sure that's bogus. I actually think there may be merit with shedding the petals as secondary projectiles but breaking out 8 may be too small for any meaningful penetration, even if it's not 12". 4 might work.

As a rule, I am skeptical of any ammo company that reach when using technical terms like "center of mass" "acoustic wave" "predictable vectors" to obfuscate bullshit.


It sounds like they dance around any terms or metrics of legitimate measurement of performance. "But hey we have cool videos!" Extreme Shock anyone?

The supposed blog writing about this ammo is shilling for it more than the videos......"G2 Research has released a new ammo that is taking the market by storm and has gun owners all over the country trying to find where to pick some up." Hahahahahah.
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I'm pretty happy with my ammo selection but if you're into the firearms business you should really look into making some sort of a mount or riser that would bring the optic up farther away from the bore so I don't have to hunch down and strain to use it.



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Aren't solid copper handgun bullets a no-no?

Solid copper is fine. Solid brass is a no go as it would be AP.
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This site has a history of shills. Basically, people with low post counts making posts about gimmicky new gun stuff and asking for opinions all the while basically providing free advertisement for the new product. Typically, the person making the post is tied to the company in someway. Do a search for Anderson Manufacturing's AR15 "top of the line".

Cliffnotes: you're being (passive aggressively) accused of being a shill for Liberty Defense. We eat our own here. Sometimes it's justified. Mostly it's not.

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Am I missing something here ?


This site has a history of shills. Basically, people with low post counts making posts about gimmicky new gun stuff and asking for opinions all the while basically providing free advertisement for the new product. Typically, the person making the post is tied to the company in someway. Do a search for Anderson Manufacturing's AR15 "top of the line".

Cliffnotes: you're being (passive aggressively) accused of being a shill for Liberty Defense. We eat our own here. Sometimes it's justified. Mostly it's not.

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You sure do seem to have this site figured out.

Pretty impressive for the join date.

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If I had to pick between a 9mm gold dot, a 9mm FMJ, a 9mm RIP, or a 22lr:

I'd pick the 9mm RIP. I know it's pretty unlikely to kill me.
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Wouldn't wanna get shot with that, that's for sure


If I had to pick between a 9mm gold dot, a 9mm FMJ, a 9mm RIP, or a 22lr:

I'd pick the 9mm RIP. I know it's pretty unlikely to kill me.



Do you have a 12 inch blubberbelt protecting all of your vital organs? Because, the idea of multiple brass darts radiating through my midsection, seems less appealing than a single .22

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Im not a familiar or trying to advertise for any company. I just have never seen those before and thought they were interesting. If I would have said " look at these stupied shitty bullets that these people arr trying to make cool that obviously dont work well at all" then you guys wouldn't have accused me.
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Do you have a 12 inch blubberbelt protecting all of your vital organs? Because, the idea of multiple brass darts radiating through my midsection, seems less appealing than a single .22
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Wouldn't wanna get shot with that, that's for sure


If I had to pick between a 9mm gold dot, a 9mm FMJ, a 9mm RIP, or a 22lr:

I'd pick the 9mm RIP. I know it's pretty unlikely to kill me.



Do you have a 12 inch blubberbelt protecting all of your vital organs? Because, the idea of multiple brass darts radiating through my midsection, seems less appealing than a single .22


Looking at the gel, which is almost certainly not calibrated, none of those little pieces went more than a few inches deep. In real ballistic gel, I bet they don't perform an better than birdshot. So, yeah, a .22 is more dangerous.
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I wonder how those bullets would do at very high velocities like in a .357 Sig carbine or something. Over-expansion isn't an issue.
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Hell.. It may break up when it hits atmosphere right outside of the muzzle.
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Im not a familiar or trying to advertise for any company. I just have never seen those before and thought they were interesting. If I would have said " look at these stupied shitty bullets that these people arr trying to make cool that obviously dont work well at all" then you guys wouldn't have accused me.
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Originally Posted By m1a1t1t2:
Im not a familiar or trying to advertise for any company. I just have never seen those before and thought they were interesting. If I would have said " look at these stupied shitty bullets that these people arr trying to make cool that obviously dont work well at all" then you guys wouldn't have accused me.


You've got to have pretty thick skin around here my friend.

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Seems like a prosecuting attorney's wet dream
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Agree. Protect yourself with this and you're the bad guy.
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Thank you. So we don't even know if it reaches the 10 to 12" of recommended penetration in calibrated ballistic gelatin. Pass.
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Is that real ballistic gelatin? It looks thinner. The pieces that break off have no penetration. The single piece that penetrates deeper doesn't expand. Explain to me why this round is better than 9mm FMJ? It has a smaller diameter than 9mm so will do even less damage than. 9mm FMJ. Pure gimmick and I would strongly recommend staying away from it.

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That looks more like Perma-Gel than calibrated BG to me...


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Thank you. So we don't even know if it reaches the 10 to 12" of recommended penetration in calibrated ballistic gelatin. Pass.


Actually its Clear Ballistic gel. its on par with calibrated ordnance gel. As for the bullet design its just a pin grabber mod to the old Lehigh subsonic. Nothing new..


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Awesome gif!

Aren't solid copper handgun bullets a no-no?
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Awesome gif!

Aren't solid copper handgun bullets a no-no?


copper HP is Ok.. Brass is no go..
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That was my initial take-away.
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