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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:46:28 PM EDT
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First of all don't call me dude 13er, you haven't been here long enough to know jack shit. I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Dude just leave it alone already. Wy do you have such a hard-on against this thing. If you're worried, don't get one. All this fear-mongering you're doing in these threads is bullshit, just leave it alone. Or, do what it looks like you really want to do and write a letter to the ATF detailing how "you're just trying to save your fellow gun owner, but it's your duty to let the ATF know it's being used improperly" Yikes man, get off it already. 
All your threads do is draw negative attention to this thing I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Why do you have such a hard on for it jrzy? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:46:49 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'll go with this guy less than 100 post since '07 and he uses this months one to call a spade a spade. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: If the ATF does it will be because of all the f'ing fuds and douchbags crying about it. Just go back to reading your back issues with Zumbo and stay away from inanimate objects that scare you! People like you are worse for gun owners than Pelosi I'll go with this guy less than 100 post since '07 and he uses this months one to call a spade a spade. "because of all the f'ing fuds and douchbags crying about it" That guy? You know all you guys crying about me posting this are mad , why? Because it goes against what you want to be true. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:47:48 PM EDT
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First of all don't call me dude 13er, you haven't been here long enough to know jack shit. I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Dude just leave it alone already. Wy do you have such a hard-on against this thing. If you're worried, don't get one. All this fear-mongering you're doing in these threads is bullshit, just leave it alone. Or, do what it looks like you really want to do and write a letter to the ATF detailing how "you're just trying to save your fellow gun owner, but it's your duty to let the ATF know it's being used improperly" Yikes man, get off it already.
All your threads do is draw negative attention to this thing I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Wow. . . . Lighten the fuck up Francis. that has to be the most pretentious thing I've read on ARF in a long time. . . "Dont call me dude. . .you haven't been here long enough to know jack shit" I take it you know him personally 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:47:53 PM EDT
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Jrzy: In all seriousness, you seem like a good guy and a passionate gun owner. That said, I don't think this is going to go the way you expected. I don't think you'll get anyone in here thanking you for your premonitions or outward rally cries against this brace. If anything, it seems like you have sketchy intentions at best, and bad intentions at worst. If you want to keep arguing with the whole forum go for it, but just realize that no one is seeing you as a white knight. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to provide a little insight as to why the backlash. Also, if what you say about your efforts with the second amendment are true, I applaud you. I too work hard to protect our 2A freedoms, and I think at the end of the day we should keep it in perspective that we're all ultimately on the same side Wow, no clue....
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:48:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted:  A pistol buffer tube works as a stock. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you put a revolver on your shoulder and fire it, does that make it illegal? If you install something that works as a stock you create an SBR Your analogy was deceptive A pistol buffer tube works as a stock. It's as it is made |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:49:07 PM EDT
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First of all don't call me dude 13er, you haven't been here long enough to know jack shit. I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Dude just leave it alone already. Wy do you have such a hard-on against this thing. If you're worried, don't get one. All this fear-mongering you're doing in these threads is bullshit, just leave it alone. Or, do what it looks like you really want to do and write a letter to the ATF detailing how "you're just trying to save your fellow gun owner, but it's your duty to let the ATF know it's being used improperly" Yikes man, get off it already.
All your threads do is draw negative attention to this thing I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Haha, you just pulled rank on another member. You're one of those assholes huh.. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:49:24 PM EDT
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You mean the guy who didn't have the balls to call me a douche bag directly so he says "because of all the f'ing fuds and douchbags crying about it" That guy? You know all you guys crying about me posting this are mad , why? Because it goes against what you want to be true. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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If the ATF does it will be because of all the f'ing fuds and douchbags crying about it. Just go back to reading your back issues with Zumbo and stay away from inanimate objects that scare you! People like you are worse for gun owners than Pelosi I'll go with this guy less than 100 post since '07 and he uses this months one to call a spade a spade. "because of all the f'ing fuds and douchbags crying about it" That guy? You know all you guys crying about me posting this are mad , why? Because it goes against what you want to be true. Or it could just be that it looks like you're kinda being a dick to anyone who disagrees with you in the slightest. But I suppose it could be what you said too. 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:49:41 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: They could do this with a plain pistol buffer tube. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: When the ATF decides it's time They will take a video of some poor schmuck shouldering it at a public range, maybe he even removed the straps from it too. The Fed prosecutor looks at the video, the guy is using it as a stock (against the "used as designed" clause in the tech branch letter) Looks at the definition of a rifle in the federal laws and decides he has a case, at that point sig is not going to help because the guy used it not as intended. I don't want this to happen but stevie wonder could see this coming. They could do this with a plain pistol buffer tube. Also You think looks don't matter? The sig brace looks like a stock |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:49:43 PM EDT
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The letter from the ATF to sig says used as designed I believe In other words the ATf knows people are shouldering it and are waiting for a test case? Anyone here saying they won't fuck gun owners on this issue is delusional according to the track record. Also, who ever owns one of these ask your self this , how would you like to be a test case where the ATF has you of very clear video at a public gun range shouldering this and never using it as a arm brace strapped to your wrist? Think you'd get indicted ? If I have a reg SBR and put a pistol buffer tube on it along with this sig brace think my SBR is no longer an SBR? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Is there talk of the ATF reclassifying it? I thought it was sort of iffy. I bet it was shoulder more often than strapped to ones arm. Who couldn't see it being used as shoulder stock and not an arm brace> In other words the ATf knows people are shouldering it and are waiting for a test case? Anyone here saying they won't fuck gun owners on this issue is delusional according to the track record. Also, who ever owns one of these ask your self this , how would you like to be a test case where the ATF has you of very clear video at a public gun range shouldering this and never using it as a arm brace strapped to your wrist? Think you'd get indicted ? If I have a reg SBR and put a pistol buffer tube on it along with this sig brace think my SBR is no longer an SBR? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:49:53 PM EDT
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Well enjoy guys. I'm out. It's now a pissing thread.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:50:13 PM EDT
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These fucking laws are stupid, like potato stupid.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:51:25 PM EDT
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Just write your fucking letter to the ATF already and stop with these stupid threads. You're worse than lone survivor guy. All you do is bitch and whine about this thing. Isn't that the truth.. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:51:44 PM EDT
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What a douche bag!
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:51:49 PM EDT
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These fucking laws are stupid, like potato stupid. Agreed and now I'm out 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:52:06 PM EDT
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If you put a revolver on your shoulder and fire it, does that make it illegal? If you install something that works as a stock you create an SBR Your analogy was deceptive
A pistol buffer tube works as a stock. It's as it is made So is the arm brace. IT'S NOT MODIFIED. Thanks for writing a letter for all of us on an approved product. Maybe you'll become famous for it, like Gemtech. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:52:57 PM EDT
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I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Didn't you used to pride yourself on being a bad ass street fighter, or am I thinking of a different jrzy? When did you become a hall monitor? That's basically the antithesis of what it means to be a Jersey guy. 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:53:51 PM EDT
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You don't get as good as the sig brace when shouldering Also You think looks don't matter? The sig brace looks like a stock Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the ATF decides it's time They will take a video of some poor schmuck shouldering it at a public range, maybe he even removed the straps from it too. The Fed prosecutor looks at the video, the guy is using it as a stock (against the "used as designed" clause in the tech branch letter) Looks at the definition of a rifle in the federal laws and decides he has a case, at that point sig is not going to help because the guy used it not as intended. I don't want this to happen but stevie wonder could see this coming. They could do this with a plain pistol buffer tube. Also You think looks don't matter? The sig brace looks like a stock I'm saying functionally it doesn't matter. If they were going to press the issue to the point of "if you can shoulder it, it's a stock" then every AR pistol or Mares Leg is now an illegal SBR. If they really wanted to push the definition, using a pistol with two hands could be considered "not using it as designed" to be fired one handed. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:53:58 PM EDT
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Laminate and save your compliance letter that comes with the stabilizer brace All the rest is chicken little bullshit |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:54:21 PM EDT
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And the more dumbasses that get butthurt over it and start threads over its uses are the reason we dont have nice things.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:56:11 PM EDT
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When the ATF decides it's time They will take a video of some poor schmuck shouldering it at a public range, maybe he even removed the straps from it too. The Fed prosecutor looks at the video, the guy is using it as a stock (against the "used as designed" clause in the tech branch letter) Looks at the definition of a rifle in the federal laws and decides he has a case, at that point sig is not going to help because the guy used it not as intended. I don't want this to happen but stevie wonder could see this coming. Aside from all the jibber jabber, what does the LAW say?? I don't much care what ATF says, even though I should.
Define a pistol, using only the federal definition. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:57:04 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Jrzy: In all seriousness, you seem like a good guy and a passionate gun owner. That said, I don't think this is going to go the way you expected. I don't think you'll get anyone in here thanking you for your premonitions or outward rally cries against this brace. If anything, it seems like you have sketchy intentions at best, and bad intentions at worst. If you want to keep arguing with the whole forum go for it, but just realize that no one is seeing you as a white knight. Not trying to be a dick, just trying to provide a little insight as to why the backlash. Also, if what you say about your efforts with the second amendment are true, I applaud you. I too work hard to protect our 2A freedoms, and I think at the end of the day we should keep it in perspective that we're all ultimately on the same side The sig brace does not hurt my business, it has even helped boost sales of the AR Pistols we build (no we don't install these things) We build and sell AR's You have no idea the IM's in support of what I have been saying. What fucking motive could I have to want the ATF to put a stop to these braces being used as stocks? NONE White knight? I don't give a fuck about credit. You know whos fucking everyone who bought the sig brace? The guys who are making it super obvious at public ranges, bragging about it, taking the straps off of it. Have you bothered to read the Sig tech branch letter? It says it's not illegal if used as intended as an arm brace Why do you think the ATF wrote the letter with that language? "Used as intended" Because it left the door open for prosecution in federal court if they so desire. And if you're placing your faith in the ATF and a federal prosecutors good will toward men you're delusional |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:57:18 PM EDT
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Please excuse me while I get on my knees and beg that the robber only takes my money, not my life. That will surely solve everything.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 6:59:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Why do you have such a hard on for it jrzy? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Dude just leave it alone already. Wy do you have such a hard-on against this thing. If you're worried, don't get one. All this fear-mongering you're doing in these threads is bullshit, just leave it alone. Or, do what it looks like you really want to do and write a letter to the ATF detailing how "you're just trying to save your fellow gun owner, but it's your duty to let the ATF know it's being used improperly" Yikes man, get off it already. All your threads do is draw negative attention to this thing I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Why do you have such a hard on for it jrzy? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:01:00 PM EDT
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how is one supposed to hold it if brace is on pistol and you wish not to strap it to your arm?
when used as a cheek weld it appears that its being shouldered when in fact its not an effective stock as it is short.. it needs to come out a few more clicks to be long enough to be a stock. at least for me it would are we still allowed to use two hands?.. and use the buffer as a cheek weld? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:01:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Haha, you just pulled rank on another member. You're one of those assholes huh.. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Dude just leave it alone already. Wy do you have such a hard-on against this thing. If you're worried, don't get one. All this fear-mongering you're doing in these threads is bullshit, just leave it alone. Or, do what it looks like you really want to do and write a letter to the ATF detailing how "you're just trying to save your fellow gun owner, but it's your duty to let the ATF know it's being used improperly" Yikes man, get off it already. All your threads do is draw negative attention to this thing I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Haha, you just pulled rank on another member. You're one of those assholes huh.. It does look assholsih but I don't delete things like that, it reminds me not to be an asshole most of the time |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:01:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: These fucking laws are stupid, like potato stupid. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:02:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: What a douche bag! |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:03:27 PM EDT
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Please excuse me while I get on my knees and beg that the robber only takes my money, not my life. That will surely solve everything. What? Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:03:39 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So is the arm brace. IT'S NOT MODIFIED. Thanks for writing a letter for all of us on an approved product. Maybe you'll become famous for it, like Gemtech. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: If you put a revolver on your shoulder and fire it, does that make it illegal? If you install something that works as a stock you create an SBR Your analogy was deceptive A pistol buffer tube works as a stock. It's as it is made So is the arm brace. IT'S NOT MODIFIED. Thanks for writing a letter for all of us on an approved product. Maybe you'll become famous for it, like Gemtech. I didn't write the tech branch letter |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:04:36 PM EDT
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I don't, I have a real concern for the poor bastard they make an example out of, or all who have taken the straps off and are flaunting it in the ATF's face, like waving a red flag in a Bulls face. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Dude just leave it alone already. Wy do you have such a hard-on against this thing. If you're worried, don't get one. All this fear-mongering you're doing in these threads is bullshit, just leave it alone. Or, do what it looks like you really want to do and write a letter to the ATF detailing how "you're just trying to save your fellow gun owner, but it's your duty to let the ATF know it's being used improperly" Yikes man, get off it already.
All your threads do is draw negative attention to this thing I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Why do you have such a hard on for it jrzy? Have you tried reading your last post? You pulled rank, called him a 13'er, told him not to call you "dude" and then told him he doesn't know shit. If you're concerned, don't buy one and move on. . . . |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:05:04 PM EDT
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There is a lot of wishful thinking in here. The first time I saw a picture of one, I thought to myself that it was a federal prosecution waiting to happen. Anyone that thinks the ATF won't make an example of somebody(s) over something like this is dreaming.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:05:06 PM EDT
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Have you bothered to read the Sig tech branch letter? It says it's not illegal if used as intended as an arm brace I have, it says; "FTB finds the the submitted forearm brace, when attached to a firearm, does not convert the weapon to be fired from the shoulder and would not alter the classification of a pistol or other firearm." Drop it already. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:06:59 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm saying functionally it doesn't matter. If they were going to press the issue to the point of "if you can shoulder it, it's a stock" then every AR pistol or Mares Leg is now an illegal SBR. If they really wanted to push the definition, using a pistol with two hands could be considered "not using it as designed" to be fired one handed. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: When the ATF decides it's time They will take a video of some poor schmuck shouldering it at a public range, maybe he even removed the straps from it too. The Fed prosecutor looks at the video, the guy is using it as a stock (against the "used as designed" clause in the tech branch letter) Looks at the definition of a rifle in the federal laws and decides he has a case, at that point sig is not going to help because the guy used it not as intended. I don't want this to happen but stevie wonder could see this coming. They could do this with a plain pistol buffer tube. Also You think looks don't matter? The sig brace looks like a stock I'm saying functionally it doesn't matter. If they were going to press the issue to the point of "if you can shoulder it, it's a stock" then every AR pistol or Mares Leg is now an illegal SBR. If they really wanted to push the definition, using a pistol with two hands could be considered "not using it as designed" to be fired one handed. The sig brace modifies the AR pistol. Silly silly laws I do not agree with |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:08:24 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Laminate and save your compliance letter that comes with the stabilizer brace All the rest is chicken little bullshit Good luck if the ATF decides to make a test case You might even win (after you are bankrupted) |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:08:30 PM EDT
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Just lock the thread already..... So much Herp Derp spewing from the OP. Ether a troll or just wants some attention
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:08:51 PM EDT
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Not only is ATF going to shut that down soon, but people just tend to ignore state gun laws. If some State Attorney's Office / Sheriff's Office in Florida wanted to push it, that's an illegal SBR under state law.
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:08:58 PM EDT
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Everyone is wrong and I have done stuff that is important, you don't understand because of ATF and what not!! Look at me I need attention!!!
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:09:19 PM EDT
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Mares legs aren't modified, the AR pistol as it comes from the factory is not modified The sig brace modifies the AR pistol. Silly silly laws I do not agree with Quote HistoryQuoted:
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When the ATF decides it's time They will take a video of some poor schmuck shouldering it at a public range, maybe he even removed the straps from it too. The Fed prosecutor looks at the video, the guy is using it as a stock (against the "used as designed" clause in the tech branch letter) Looks at the definition of a rifle in the federal laws and decides he has a case, at that point sig is not going to help because the guy used it not as intended. I don't want this to happen but stevie wonder could see this coming. They could do this with a plain pistol buffer tube. Also You think looks don't matter? The sig brace looks like a stock I'm saying functionally it doesn't matter. If they were going to press the issue to the point of "if you can shoulder it, it's a stock" then every AR pistol or Mares Leg is now an illegal SBR. If they really wanted to push the definition, using a pistol with two hands could be considered "not using it as designed" to be fired one handed. The sig brace modifies the AR pistol. Silly silly laws I do not agree with Sig makes and sells factory AR pistols with the brace 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:09:25 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: And the more dumbasses that get butthurt over it and start threads over its uses are the reason we dont have nice things. You know who hurts good things like these? Idiots who take off the straps and flaunt then at public ranges. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:09:53 PM EDT
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First of all don't call me dude 13er, you haven't been here long enough to know jack shit. I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I wonder what would happen if you were shooting in the woods and a police officer came across you and told you to drop the weapon? What do you do with the thing strapped to your wrist? Oh thats right, it's not strapped to your wrist , it's shouldered and thats what is creating the buzz at the ATF and starting the push to reclassify it. Dude just leave it alone already. Wy do you have such a hard-on against this thing. If you're worried, don't get one. All this fear-mongering you're doing in these threads is bullshit, just leave it alone. Or, do what it looks like you really want to do and write a letter to the ATF detailing how "you're just trying to save your fellow gun owner, but it's your duty to let the ATF know it's being used improperly" Yikes man, get off it already.
All your threads do is draw negative attention to this thing I do moire for the second Amendment in a month than you do all you life. I don't have anything against this, what I do have is a knowledge that someone is going to pay a tab for this brace when they shoulder it and use it not as intended. If it's so cut and dry legal why are you worried about sunshine? I did not write the ATF Tech branch letter for one reason, that is I know what the outcome will be and it's not good for anyone using this as a shouldering device Lastly, don't ever tell me or anyone else what to write, this isn't your site, If I break the COC someone one a lot more knowledgable will come along and tell me about it. Lol. You truly are the baddest guy on the interwebz. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:10:05 PM EDT
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Mares legs aren't modified, the AR pistol as it comes from the factory is not modified The sig brace modifies the AR pistol. Silly silly laws I do not agree with My Sig P556 came with the Sig Brace. How is that modified? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:10:19 PM EDT
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Everyone is wrong and I have done stuff that is important, you don't understand because of ATF and what not!! Look at me I need attention!!! Op is that you? haha 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:10:52 PM EDT
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Laminate and save your compliance letter that comes with the stabilizer brace All the rest is chicken little bullshit This for Pete's sake. Geez 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:11:52 PM EDT
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There is a lot of wishful thinking in here. The first time I saw a picture of one, I thought to myself that it was a federal prosecution waiting to happen. Anyone that thinks the ATF won't make an example of somebody(s) over something like this is dreaming. I thought the same thing. . . I was even more surprised when I saw people putting Magpul AFG's on the same AR-pistols. Happy as hell I at least have the option living in WA state. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:12:01 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: how is one supposed to hold it if brace is on pistol and you wish not to strap it to your arm? when used as a cheek weld it appears that its being shouldered when in fact its not an effective stock as it is short.. it needs to come out a few more clicks to be long enough to be a stock. at least for me it would are we still allowed to use two hands?.. and use the buffer as a cheek weld? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:12:31 PM EDT
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And the more dumbasses that get butthurt over it and start threads over its uses are the reason we dont have nice things. You know who hurts good things like these? Idiots who take off the straps and flaunt then at public ranges. I have yet to see anyone take the straps off |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:12:41 PM EDT
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The arm barce isn't modified, the AR pistol becomes modified when you install the brace on it. I didn't write the tech branch letter What about the pistols that come with it factory installed? And that isn't what the letter says, and you are NO FRIEND of the 2nd for pushing this. Quite the opposite. I'm putting you on ignore before I say what I really think of people like you. |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:13:10 PM EDT
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Laminate and save your compliance letter that comes with the stabilizer brace All the rest is chicken little bullshit This for Pete's sake. Geez PROTIP: If you buy a Magpul MOE+ Pistol Grip, there'e just enough room for a couple letters from the ATF 
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:13:28 PM EDT
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And the more dumbasses that get butthurt over it and start threads over its uses are the reason we dont have nice things. You know who hurts good things like these? Idiots who take off the straps and flaunt then at public ranges. You know what really hurts "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED"? |
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Posted: 1/13/2014 7:13:47 PM EDT
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Laminate and save your compliance letter that comes with the stabilizer brace All the rest is chicken little bullshit This for Pete's sake. Geez How is that going to protect anyone from state laws? *Caveat: I don't care what people do with this stupid product. I think it's gay and has AIDS, but people spend money all kinds of idiotic products for ARs. |
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