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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:53:24 AM EDT
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got caught up last night. I threw my hands up in the air and shouted YES!!! then I looked at my wife and she said "HOLY SHIT". during the dwarf fight scene they made a point to show all of those who would benefit from the kings death and how un-amused they were by his antics. trying to figure out the "fools" role in this as he whisked Sansa away and said "come with me if you want to live", but not all terminator'ish. me thinks Verys plotted this out and Tyrion kinda stumbled into the blame not having any idea what was going down. also, cersai(sp) is a total cunt  Try reading the last few pages and you'll figure out who and how it was done. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 10:57:06 AM EDT
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I have an odd idea about who may have planned it out, but it would be too good. which in this universe is very likely.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:46:43 PM EDT
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Damn this thread and you guys getting me to read about things I shouldn't be reading yet. I haven't read the books, and a week between episodes is just too long!
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Posted: 4/15/2014 1:56:41 PM EDT
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I have an odd idea about who may have planned it out, but it would be too good. which in this universe is very likely. come on joe, share your thoughts with the class... |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:08:55 PM EDT
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Waiting 7 days between Episodes is a long time. Is it Sunday yet?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:11:40 PM EDT
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Waiting 7 days between Episodes is a long time. Is it Sunday yet? I almost want to wait until the season is done to watch it all at once, but then things will be spoiled for me by the time I get to it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:19:08 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:37:31 PM EDT
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This is the first season I ordered HBO to watch weekly. I like the recap before the opening credits to kinda remind you of what has happened in past episodes that has lead up to this point. Like Sansa saving the fool...had almost forgot about that and to why it was important.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:38:31 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: got caught up last night. I threw my hands up in the air and shouted YES!!! then I looked at my wife and she said "HOLY SHIT". during the dwarf fight scene they made a point to show all of those who would benefit from the kings death and how un-amused they were by his antics. trying to figure out the "fools" role in this as he whisked Sansa away and said "come with me if you want to live", but not all terminator'ish. me thinks Verys plotted this out and Tyrion kinda stumbled into the blame not having any idea what was going down. also, cersai(sp) is a total cunt he managed to offend nearly everyone at the party who wasn't a lannister. that scene was quite different than in the book but i actually liked it better. and yes cersai is a cunt.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:45:30 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I will be seriously pissed if they change that. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Absolutely correct, although I bet we'll see the architect behind the whole thing in the next few episodes. Also... Click To View Spoiler Click To View Spoiler I will be seriously pissed if they change that. Don't worry. I don't see how they can change that part of the story. Twyin: Have her[Shae] brought to the Tower of the Hand. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 2:45:44 PM EDT
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Quote Historyadopt a highway 4 fried chickens and a coke i rost....i fucking rost 
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Posted: 4/15/2014 3:13:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 3:20:44 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 3:27:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 3:32:33 PM EDT
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What a cunt.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:11:28 PM EDT
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Knowing Joffrey was murdered shortly thereafter, I thought this was a nice shot from the last episode.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:16:14 PM EDT
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now it could've been because i haven't read the book in a while but i could've sworn they never really pointed a finger at who did it. or gave us a good idea? i always thought it was a make a guess of your own thing.
in the show it's kind of obvious. but since in the book the whole wedding is in tyrions POV it's pretty hard to pick up on stuff like that.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:23:27 PM EDT
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now it could've been because i haven't read the book in a while but i could've sworn they never really pointed a finger at who did it. or gave us a good idea? i always thought it was a make a guess of your own thing. in the show it's kind of obvious. but since in the book the whole wedding is in tyrions POV it's pretty hard to pick up on stuff like that. It's made quite clear later on. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:27:06 PM EDT
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I'm not talking about what he did or didn't do after he chose his family over the Starks. I'm talking about the actual decision itself. No matter which side he chose he was fucked. If he sides if the Starks he betrays his house and his family and if he sides with his family he betrays his surrogate brother and his best friend. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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Somebody hit me up with a spoiler. What is the purpose of the Theon arc? It never seems to be talked about much in this thread or the last season's thread. Does he ever get "right" again? He's there to show the proper fate for those who betray. Maybe, but personally I don't think "woe unto Theon for siding with his family over the house that kept him hostage for a decade." He was in a true "damned if you do; damned if you don't" situation. No matter which side he chose he would be betraying someone and would be known as a turncloak. I think the betrayal was use of his relationship with the family that raised him (prisoner or no) to come back and take Winterfell. Remember, that action was not what he was asked to do even by his father. He went out on a limb, and the way he chose to do it was piss poor. He did not acquit himself with honor in the process either. I'm not talking about what he did or didn't do after he chose his family over the Starks. I'm talking about the actual decision itself. No matter which side he chose he was fucked. If he sides if the Starks he betrays his house and his family and if he sides with his family he betrays his surrogate brother and his best friend. Hmmmm betray your family of thieving, raping, murdering, rapists or your surrogate family that is the most honorable in the land with a proud history who treated you more like a son than your own father would have and is fighting for the freedom of the realm. Hmmmmmmmm tough choice! Totally understandable to side with your criminal and asshole father who commands people to rape and pillage vulnerable innocents. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:27:45 PM EDT
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now it could've been because i haven't read the book in a while but i could've sworn they never really pointed a finger at who did it. or gave us a good idea? i always thought it was a make a guess of your own thing. in the show it's kind of obvious. but since in the book the whole wedding is in tyrions POV it's pretty hard to pick up on stuff like that. Did they ever point the finger at the exact person? No. But the book made it clear that he (who hasn't been in an episode this season so far) helped plan it. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:35:51 PM EDT
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I'm so glad he died. That makes me happy. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 5:39:50 PM EDT
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What happens to his fancy new sword now?
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:19:27 PM EDT
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What happens to his fancy new sword now? For gods sake, don't Google it. IDK what happens, but there is way to much discussion over it on the internet. It's like the GoT fans version of 9mm/45. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:24:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: For gods sake, don't Google it. IDK what happens, but there is way to much discussion over it on the internet. It's like the GoT fans version of 9mm/45. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: What happens to his fancy new sword now? For gods sake, don't Google it. IDK what happens, but there is way to much discussion over it on the internet. It's like the GoT fans version of 9mm/45. Welp, I lost interest. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:24:50 PM EDT
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I have an odd idea about who may have planned it out, but it would be too good. which in this universe is very likely. come on joe, share your thoughts with the class... I'm thinking the only person who could have plotted something of this magnitude is the only person as cunning and smart as ol tywin himself ;) |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:29:43 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: I'm thinking the only person who could have plotted something of this magnitude is the only person as cunning and smart as ol tywin himself ;) Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: I have an odd idea about who may have planned it out, but it would be too good. which in this universe is very likely. come on joe, share your thoughts with the class... I'm thinking the only person who could have plotted something of this magnitude is the only person as cunning and smart as ol tywin himself ;) It wasn't Tywin. But I loved his smug grin of satisfaction as Joffery lied their choking to death. Tywin is the one benefited the most from Joffs death. He consolidates his power and gets rid of Tyrion. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:40:24 PM EDT
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor.
Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:41:53 PM EDT
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It wasn't Tywin. But I loved his smug grin of satisfaction as Joffery lied their choking to death. Tywin is the one benefited the most from Joffs death. He consolidates his power and gets rid of Tyrion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have an odd idea about who may have planned it out, but it would be too good. which in this universe is very likely. come on joe, share your thoughts with the class... I'm thinking the only person who could have plotted something of this magnitude is the only person as cunning and smart as ol tywin himself ;) It wasn't Tywin. But I loved his smug grin of satisfaction as Joffery lied their choking to death. Tywin is the one benefited the most from Joffs death. He consolidates his power and gets rid of Tyrion. tywin got a shit sandwich. he was already the hand to a king who was uninterested in ruling and nothing more than his puppet. he was a PR nightmare, but so was aerys. at least joffrey could be drugged or cowed as needed without tywin worrying about being roasted alive. tyrion wasn't a threat, he was still too afraid of tywin at this point and hostage to his purse strings. tywin didn't benefit at all, in fact it brings shame to his house that a 2nd king is killed under jaime's watch as kingsguard, and the accused killer is tywin's other son. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:42:38 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. or marcela then tommen... depending on who you are.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:42:56 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:44:48 PM EDT
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. tommen if the king has a child, they're first in line. if not, they go to the king's oldest brother and on down through living male relatives |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:47:30 PM EDT
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tywin got a shit sandwich. he was already the hand to a king who was uninterested in ruling and nothing more than his puppet. he was a PR nightmare, but so was aerys. at least joffrey could be drugged or cowed as needed without tywin worrying about being roasted alive. tyrion wasn't a threat, he was still too afraid of tywin at this point and hostage to his purse strings. tywin didn't benefit at all, in fact it brings shame to his house that a 2nd king is killed under jaime's watch as kingsguard, and the accused killer is tywin's other son. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have an odd idea about who may have planned it out, but it would be too good. which in this universe is very likely. come on joe, share your thoughts with the class... I'm thinking the only person who could have plotted something of this magnitude is the only person as cunning and smart as ol tywin himself ;) It wasn't Tywin. But I loved his smug grin of satisfaction as Joffery lied their choking to death. Tywin is the one benefited the most from Joffs death. He consolidates his power and gets rid of Tyrion. tywin got a shit sandwich. he was already the hand to a king who was uninterested in ruling and nothing more than his puppet. he was a PR nightmare, but so was aerys. at least joffrey could be drugged or cowed as needed without tywin worrying about being roasted alive. tyrion wasn't a threat, he was still too afraid of tywin at this point and hostage to his purse strings. tywin didn't benefit at all, in fact it brings shame to his house that a 2nd king is killed under jaime's watch as kingsguard, and the accused killer is tywin's other son. Jaimie wasn't present when Robert was wounded and later died. Barristan Selmy was when he was mortally wounded though. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:53:42 PM EDT
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Jaimie wasn't present when Robert was wounded and later died. Barristan Selmy was when he was mortally wounded though. make that 3rd then...what i meant was that he was the kg who killed aerys, but yeah, i forgot robert was killed on his watch too. again, not much of a boost to the lannister name |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 6:54:22 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. ETA: Another thought. I'm assuming a king's bastard sons don't count as legitimate heirs that can claim the throne. If that's the case, why did they attempt to find and kill all of Robert's bastards? |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:11:08 PM EDT
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Hmmmm betray your family of thieving, raping, murdering, rapists or your surrogate family that is the most honorable in the land with a proud history who treated you more like a son than your own father would have and is fighting for the freedom of the realm. Hmmmmmmmm tough choice! Totally understandable to side with your criminal and asshole father who commands people to rape and pillage vulnerable innocents. You're making the mistake of looking at it from YOUR perspective. Not Theon's. That is the culture and the world in which Theon was raised. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:12:42 PM EDT
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What happens to his fancy new sword now? Not really a spoiler, but... Click To View Spoiler |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:13:00 PM EDT
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now it could've been because i haven't read the book in a while but i could've sworn they never really pointed a finger at who did it. or gave us a good idea? i always thought it was a make a guess of your own thing. in the show it's kind of obvious. but since in the book the whole wedding is in tyrions POV it's pretty hard to pick up on stuff like that. At least through the 5th book, Martin never comes out and says who was actually responsible. ....that said my own impression was the old lady. Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:16:40 PM EDT
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. Tommen, his younger brother is next in line...IIRC it had to go to a male, which is why the new queen doesn't just take over at fuckwit's death Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:17:05 PM EDT
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Tommen. Also, not a spoiler. Renly explained it first season when he said he was fourth in line behind Robert. Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis, Renly. OK, I forgot Joff had a brother. I'm getting better as the seasons progress, but at times it's hard to keep track of all the characters. ETA: Another thought. I'm assuming a king's bastard sons don't count as legitimate heirs that can claim the throne. If that's the case, why did they attempt to find and kill all of Robert's bastards? Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Tommen. Also, not a spoiler. Renly explained it first season when he said he was fourth in line behind Robert. Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis, Renly. OK, I forgot Joff had a brother. I'm getting better as the seasons progress, but at times it's hard to keep track of all the characters. ETA: Another thought. I'm assuming a king's bastard sons don't count as legitimate heirs that can claim the throne. If that's the case, why did they attempt to find and kill all of Robert's bastards? bastards don't count unless they're legitimized, or if they can raise an army of their own and try to take it by force ala the blackfyre rebellion. kill off the bastards and they can't be legitimized or show a pattern of a certain king's biological children tending to look like his side of the family, dark hair, blue eyes, etc. rather than the blonde and green they all seem to have inherited from their mother's side....now how could that possibly have happened? 
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:17:10 PM EDT
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. The king died without a son so first in the line of succession is Joffrey's younger brother, Tommen. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:18:31 PM EDT
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Tommen, his younger brother is next in line...IIRC it had to go to a male, which is why the new queen doesn't just take over at fuckwit's death Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. Tommen, his younger brother is next in line...IIRC it had to go to a male, which is why the new queen doesn't just take over at fuckwit's death Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile she can't inherit by marriage unless there are absolutely no blood heirs left, i think |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:20:39 PM EDT
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Tommen, his younger brother is next in line...IIRC it had to go to a male, which is why the new queen doesn't just take over at fuckwit's death Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Quote HistoryQuoted:
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. Tommen, his younger brother is next in line...IIRC it had to go to a male, which is why the new queen doesn't just take over at fuckwit's death Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Except for in Dorne. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:21:50 PM EDT
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It wasn't Tywin. But I loved his smug grin of satisfaction as Joffery lied their choking to death. Tywin is the one benefited the most from Joffs death. He consolidates his power and gets rid of Tyrion. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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I have an odd idea about who may have planned it out, but it would be too good. which in this universe is very likely. come on joe, share your thoughts with the class... I'm thinking the only person who could have plotted something of this magnitude is the only person as cunning and smart as ol tywin himself ;) It wasn't Tywin. But I loved his smug grin of satisfaction as Joffery lied their choking to death. Tywin is the one benefited the most from Joffs death. He consolidates his power and gets rid of Tyrion. i didnt say it was tywin, but the only person who can challenge him when it comes to wits and cunning
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:22:50 PM EDT
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. Tommen, his younger brother is next in line...IIRC it had to go to a male, which is why the new queen doesn't just take over at fuckwit's death Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Except for in Dorne. targaryens put women in line too, didn't they? or was that just from the incest... |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:25:22 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:28:22 PM EDT
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So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Not interested in spoilers, just curious who it would go to by the book as it stands right now. Tommen, his younger brother is next in line...IIRC it had to go to a male, which is why the new queen doesn't just take over at fuckwit's death Posted Via AR15.Com Mobile Except for in Dorne. targaryens put women in line too, didn't they? or was that just from the incest... IIRC, no. I think Dorne is the only region of Westeros where the line of succession is by order of birth regardless of gender. |
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:38:16 PM EDT
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Since I have nothing to add to this thread, but love the show.
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:39:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: bastards don't count unless they're legitimized, or if they can raise an army of their own and try to take it by force ala the blackfyre rebellion. kill off the bastards and they can't be legitimized or show a pattern of a certain king's biological children tending to look like his side of the family, dark hair, blue eyes, etc. rather than the blonde and green they all seem to have inherited from their mother's side....now how could that possibly have happened? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: So, now that shit head is dead, who would the crown go to? Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't think there is a clear successor. Tommen. Also, not a spoiler. Renly explained it first season when he said he was fourth in line behind Robert. Joffrey, Tommen, Stannis, Renly. OK, I forgot Joff had a brother. I'm getting better as the seasons progress, but at times it's hard to keep track of all the characters. ETA: Another thought. I'm assuming a king's bastard sons don't count as legitimate heirs that can claim the throne. If that's the case, why did they attempt to find and kill all of Robert's bastards? bastards don't count unless they're legitimized, or if they can raise an army of their own and try to take it by force ala the blackfyre rebellion. kill off the bastards and they can't be legitimized or show a pattern of a certain king's biological children tending to look like his side of the family, dark hair, blue eyes, etc. rather than the blonde and green they all seem to have inherited from their mother's side....now how could that possibly have happened? Thanks!
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:41:13 PM EDT
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Posted: 4/15/2014 7:52:37 PM EDT
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