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Posted: 12/13/2014 8:10:13 AM EDT
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You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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cost caps. How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Not caps but force the top teams to put money in a pool for the lower teams when they over spend. Say the limit is 200 million and Red Bull spends 220. Wel, then the have to put a percentage of 20 mil in a pool for the lower teams, say 25%, or 5 mil. |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 10:32:50 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2014 2:10:11 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not caps but force the top teams to put money in a pool for the lower teams when they over spend. Say the limit is 200 million and Red Bull spends 220. Wel, then the have to put a percentage of 20 mil in a pool for the lower teams, say 25%, or 5 mil. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: cost caps. How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Not caps but force the top teams to put money in a pool for the lower teams when they over spend. Say the limit is 200 million and Red Bull spends 220. Wel, then the have to put a percentage of 20 mil in a pool for the lower teams, say 25%, or 5 mil. So, OccupyF1? If any group needs to come to the table it's the FOM. The teams are private businesses making money - or not - in F1. The FOM controls the worldwide rights and TV distribution of the product, and they control the Concorde agreement which defines the distribution of the funds to the teams based on the Constructors Championship placement. Come in 11th, get $40million. 12th? Zero... Don't 'redistribute' the successful teams budgets. You wouldn't expect Walmart or Target to prop up K-Mart, would you? (Yeah, an imperfect analogy...) No, get the FOM to negotiate the 'prize funds' in a manner that all entrants get some of the payout. Sure, some of the bigger teams may get a few tens of millions less, and they will likely fight tooth and nail to not lose that money, but it's a better solution that forcing the teams to write checks. m |
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Posted: 12/13/2014 3:35:25 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/13/2014 6:34:35 PM EDT
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So, OccupyF1? If any group needs to come to the table it's the FOM. The teams are private businesses making money - or not - in F1. The FOM controls the worldwide rights and TV distribution of the product, and they control the Concorde agreement which defines the distribution of the funds to the teams based on the Constructors Championship placement. Come in 11th, get $40million. 12th? Zero... Don't 'redistribute' the successful teams budgets. You wouldn't expect Walmart or Target to prop up K-Mart, would you? (Yeah, an imperfect analogy...) No, get the FOM to negotiate the 'prize funds' in a manner that all entrants get some of the payout. Sure, some of the bigger teams may get a few tens of millions less, and they will likely fight tooth and nail to not lose that money, but it's a better solution that forcing the teams to write checks. m Quote HistoryQuoted:
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cost caps. How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Not caps but force the top teams to put money in a pool for the lower teams when they over spend. Say the limit is 200 million and Red Bull spends 220. Wel, then the have to put a percentage of 20 mil in a pool for the lower teams, say 25%, or 5 mil. So, OccupyF1? If any group needs to come to the table it's the FOM. The teams are private businesses making money - or not - in F1. The FOM controls the worldwide rights and TV distribution of the product, and they control the Concorde agreement which defines the distribution of the funds to the teams based on the Constructors Championship placement. Come in 11th, get $40million. 12th? Zero... Don't 'redistribute' the successful teams budgets. You wouldn't expect Walmart or Target to prop up K-Mart, would you? (Yeah, an imperfect analogy...) No, get the FOM to negotiate the 'prize funds' in a manner that all entrants get some of the payout. Sure, some of the bigger teams may get a few tens of millions less, and they will likely fight tooth and nail to not lose that money, but it's a better solution that forcing the teams to write checks. m That's where the cash I'm talking about would come from. Ferrari and Mercedes et al get tons of cash just for showing up, marussia and Chaterham get zero. Make them share some of that. Or, give the non factory team an advantage like they can use DRS anywhere or without having to be overtaking. If they podium, the advantage goes away. That's what they do in MotoGP and it seems to work. |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 11:11:54 AM EDT
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That just sounds like a circus with Drs anywhere and what not
What they need to do if they go with a money pool and what not is just make all cars,engine drivetrain etc exactly the same on all cars Leave setups and driving to the crew/drivers But in all honesty I like have 3-5 races in one race the back markers have there on race just as much as the front markers |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:01:54 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: That just sounds like a circus with Drs anywhere and what not What they need to do if they go with a money pool and what not is just make all cars,engine drivetrain etc exactly the same on all cars Leave setups and driving to the crew/drivers But in all honesty I like have 3-5 races in one race the back markers have there on race just as much as the front markers So, you want another IRL series? |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 3:28:04 PM EDT
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Not really I was using that as a reference
I say leave it alone like it is |
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Posted: 12/14/2014 10:21:14 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Not really I was using that as a reference I say leave it alone like it is  |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 7:11:13 AM EDT
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Of course
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Posted: 12/15/2014 2:25:18 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryThat would be a start. The engine rules really need to be based on a displacement formula of number of cylinders versus max displacement. Add in offsets for turbos. Maybe one for energy recovery systems too. No fuel flow limitations. Driver selectable adjustments to fuel mapping, brakes, etc, keep the existing telemetry rules (they seem to be working pretty well) |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 2:33:26 PM EDT
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Estaban Gutierrez is Ferrari's new Test Driver---that's one way to make sure he doesn't get hit by Crashanado again.
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Posted: 12/15/2014 4:37:05 PM EDT
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Prost 1990 Jerez Ferrari 641
Smarmy french prick but the little fucker could drive, like Lauda but not as charming a fellow as Niki |
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Posted: 12/15/2014 5:02:45 PM EDT
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-that's one way to make sure he doesn't get hit by Crashanado again. 
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Posted: 12/15/2014 5:13:03 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: -that's one way to make sure he doesn't get hit by Crashanado again. http://i826.photobucket.com/albums/zz190/meansartin/Mobile%20Uploads/maldo_3095887_zpsupjyaiqe.jpg Desafío aceptado LOL!
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Posted: 12/16/2014 2:50:06 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2014 6:45:52 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2014 6:47:48 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/16/2014 6:53:41 PM EDT
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Prost 1990 Jerez Ferrari 641 Smarmy french prick but the little fucker could drive, like Lauda but not as charming a fellow as Niki  http://youtu.be/CypPQu5tsVQ
Happened to catch my first Formula E race the other day and saw Prost in the pits there. Looked like his kid must've been one of the drivers? I watched for a while... but if the neutered 2014 F1 cars were lacking in sound (and they most definitely ARE!)... then Formula E takes that 10 steps ahead! How the hell am I supposed to get excited about a form of racing with absolutely ZERO visceral stimuli? Okay... a bit of speed maybe. But they freakin sound like little slot cars! 
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Posted: 12/16/2014 8:13:26 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: So, OccupyF1? If any group needs to come to the table it's the FOM. The teams are private businesses making money - or not - in F1. The FOM controls the worldwide rights and TV distribution of the product, and they control the Concorde agreement which defines the distribution of the funds to the teams based on the Constructors Championship placement. Come in 11th, get $40million. 12th? Zero... Don't 'redistribute' the successful teams budgets. You wouldn't expect Walmart or Target to prop up K-Mart, would you? (Yeah, an imperfect analogy...) No, get the FOM to negotiate the 'prize funds' in a manner that all entrants get some of the payout. Sure, some of the bigger teams may get a few tens of millions less, and they will likely fight tooth and nail to not lose that money, but it's a better solution that forcing the teams to write checks. m Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: cost caps. How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Not caps but force the top teams to put money in a pool for the lower teams when they over spend. Say the limit is 200 million and Red Bull spends 220. Wel, then the have to put a percentage of 20 mil in a pool for the lower teams, say 25%, or 5 mil. So, OccupyF1? If any group needs to come to the table it's the FOM. The teams are private businesses making money - or not - in F1. The FOM controls the worldwide rights and TV distribution of the product, and they control the Concorde agreement which defines the distribution of the funds to the teams based on the Constructors Championship placement. Come in 11th, get $40million. 12th? Zero... Don't 'redistribute' the successful teams budgets. You wouldn't expect Walmart or Target to prop up K-Mart, would you? (Yeah, an imperfect analogy...) No, get the FOM to negotiate the 'prize funds' in a manner that all entrants get some of the payout. Sure, some of the bigger teams may get a few tens of millions less, and they will likely fight tooth and nail to not lose that money, but it's a better solution that forcing the teams to write checks. m F1 is not some boxing ring created for companies to test themselves. They are a business providing high tech entertainment and the teams produce that product. |
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Posted: 12/16/2014 8:16:02 PM EDT
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Furthermore... cost caps are the only way costs will be brought under control along with opening the technical rules under those caps. Financial issues will only ever be solved with financial rules. Technical regulations under the guise of cost cutting is asinine and causes an ironic thing to happen: even more money is spent.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 1:31:43 AM EDT
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Ferrari have confirmed the departure of Pat Fry and Nikolas Tombazis from the Scuderi.
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Posted: 12/17/2014 12:58:31 PM EDT
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Ferrari have confirmed the departure of Pat Fry and Nikolas Tombazis from the Scuderi. Purge or exodus? |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:14:10 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Purge or exodus? Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Ferrari have confirmed the departure of Pat Fry and Nikolas Tombazis from the Scuderi. Purge or exodus? Back to McLaren? He was Chief Engineer of Race Development for the MP4-20 and MP4-22 |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 3:17:31 PM EDT
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Ferrari have confirmed the departure of Pat Fry and Nikolas Tombazis from the Scuderi. Purge or exodus? Purge |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:44:15 PM EDT
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If the 'F15T'* is as bad, the Scuderia is going to implode...
m * I don't expect them to continue the naming scheme, really. Too much baggage. |
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Posted: 12/17/2014 6:46:51 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: If the 'F15T'* is as bad, the Scuderia is going to implode... m * I don't expect them to continue the naming scheme, really. Too much baggage. |
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Posted: 12/18/2014 9:20:55 AM EDT
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:13:10 PM EDT
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JEV joins Ferrari as a test driver!
I was kinda hoping to see him in an Indy Car, but it's good he's staying around F1 and at Big Red. They're really making moves in Maranello. |
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Posted: 12/19/2014 5:21:50 PM EDT
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JEV joins Ferrari as a test driver! I was kinda hoping to see him in an Indy Car, but it's good he's staying around F1 and at Big Red. They're really making moves in Maranello. They could just drop Vettel and save quite a bit of money. 
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Posted: 12/19/2014 8:57:24 PM EDT
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They could just drop Vettel and save quite a bit of money. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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JEV joins Ferrari as a test driver! I was kinda hoping to see him in an Indy Car, but it's good he's staying around F1 and at Big Red. They're really making moves in Maranello. They could just drop Vettel and save quite a bit of money. 
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Posted: 12/20/2014 10:33:41 PM EDT
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35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia
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Posted: 12/20/2014 10:58:58 PM EDT
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35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:02:03 PM EDT
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I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. |
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Posted: 12/20/2014 11:24:08 PM EDT
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In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. Correct. I really hate USCC after they punished Corvette for being successful last year. The #4 car was doing average. But it probably wont prevent me from going again this year, it is an awesome experience. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:17:16 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Correct. I really hate USCC after they punished Corvette for being successful last year. The #4 car was doing average. But it probably wont prevent me from going again this year, it is an awesome experience. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Quoted: 35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. Correct. I really hate USCC after they punished Corvette for being successful last year. The #4 car was doing average. But it probably wont prevent me from going again this year, it is an awesome experience.  |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 12:38:54 AM EDT
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Correct. I really hate USCC after they punished Corvette for being successful last year. The #4 car was doing average. But it probably wont prevent me from going again this year, it is an awesome experience. #3 won four races in a row last year because Gavin and Magnussen are awesome. #4 car was running in the pack the whole time. IMSA and ACO added weight to Corvette and gave Ferrari more HP. Corvette racing struggled at the back of the pack for the rest of the season. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 1:05:29 AM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: #3 won four races in a row last year because Gavin and Magnussen are awesome. #4 car was running in the pack the whole time. IMSA and ACO added weight to Corvette and gave Ferrari more HP. Corvette racing struggled at the back of the pack for the rest of the season. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: Correct. I really hate USCC after they punished Corvette for being successful last year. The #4 car was doing average. But it probably wont prevent me from going again this year, it is an awesome experience. #3 won four races in a row last year because Gavin and Magnussen are awesome. #4 car was running in the pack the whole time. IMSA and ACO added weight to Corvette and gave Ferrari more HP. Corvette racing struggled at the back of the pack for the rest of the season. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:05:09 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. Quote HistoryQuoted: Quoted: Quoted: 35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 3:35:19 PM EDT
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This is correct I've always seen the 24 hours of Daytona as the beginning of the racing season for every series. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. This, I always clear my schedule that weekend
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Posted: 12/21/2014 4:41:56 PM EDT
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So, when does testing start?
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Posted: 12/21/2014 5:06:06 PM EDT
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So, when does testing start? Still labeled as "unofficial" February 1-4: Jerez, Spain. February 19-22: Barcelona, Spain. February 26-March 1: Barcelona, Spain. |
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Posted: 12/21/2014 6:06:14 PM EDT
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In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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35 days till Daytona, 81 days till Australia I'm not a big NASCAR fan, but I have to give them credit where due... they race a lot. Most weekends for like nine months a year or something. In this case I believe he's talking about the Rolex 24 at Daytona on January 24/25. The Daytona 500 is about 63 days away. Oh, well then... told you I don't pay attention to NASCAR.
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Posted: 12/23/2014 3:33:15 PM EDT
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There's some testing going on right now.
Isn't this Burbanite's team?
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Posted: 12/23/2014 5:33:12 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/23/2014 5:58:58 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/23/2014 7:52:35 PM EDT
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Good to hear Haas is off to a good start. Maybe they can take all this and get the ball rolling properly.
Love that Santander commercial, that was great of Jenson to do that. |
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Posted: 12/25/2014 3:34:04 PM EDT
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Posted: 12/25/2014 3:39:47 PM EDT
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Quote HistoryQuoted: Good to hear Haas is off to a good start. Maybe they can take all this and get the ball rolling properly. Love that Santander commercial, that was great of Jenson to do that. word is he got Marussias data as well PS: Merry Christmas you psychotic, creepy, bastards |
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Posted: 12/25/2014 3:55:10 PM EDT
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Not caps but force the top teams to put money in a pool for the lower teams when they over spend. Say the limit is 200 million and Red Bull spends 220. Wel, then the have to put a percentage of 20 mil in a pool for the lower teams, say 25%, or 5 mil. Quote HistoryQuoted:
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cost caps. How in the world would you ever enforce something like that? You can't. Well....technically you could. But the money, manpower and legal requirements are pretty unrealistic. Not caps but force the top teams to put money in a pool for the lower teams when they over spend. Say the limit is 200 million and Red Bull spends 220. Wel, then the have to put a percentage of 20 mil in a pool for the lower teams, say 25%, or 5 mil. So now Formula One is FSA 
The team who brings the most cash and can make it work so they can win is what Formula One should be about. All these rule changes are BS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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