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Posted: 12/21/2013 1:31:18 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/21/2013 1:32:24 AM EST by cobra-ak]
I mean why not? If they can skew the US Constitution illegally to satisfy their political whims, it should be used as a tactic to completely ignore the ACA when it finally crashes and burns. Or is it the end of our country after this dangerous precedent?
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Link Posted: 12/21/2013 1:33:58 AM EST
If laws are gonna be ignored why have them.... wouldn't that make you a criminal?..after all didn't we hear the dems scream "it's the law of the land now!"
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 1:36:21 AM EST
In my dream world , we get a veto proof majority and repeal that shit while Hussein is still in office.

The look on that fuckheads face would be priceless.

Other than that, I would give it a shot if I was the Pres.

Id do a presser, tell everyone I signed an EO negating that horseshit law and dare any motherfucker to stop me. You know kinda like Hussein did.

Suck it bitches

Drop the mike and walk off
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 1:51:42 AM EST
Even if they could, there is no way the .gov is going to give up that much control.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 1:56:09 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/21/2013 1:57:20 AM EST by RDak]
I have NO IDEA..........this is such a CLUSTERFUCK that I suppose anything is possible.

I do honestly believe, which means nothing, that this last move by Obama might make Obamacare ineffective.

I hope it is the death knell of this HORRIBLE law.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 1:57:52 AM EST
Unplug the muthafuka.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 1:58:30 AM EST
Its Obamacare.
Since it is his, he can do whatever he wants to with it.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 1:59:45 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:

Its Obamacare. anything.

Since it is his anything, he can do whatever he wants to with it.
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FIFY
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 2:48:14 AM EST
It's not like Obama Care is a amendment to the Constitution.....Of course it can be reversed. Just need the votes and political will to do so.

I see Obama Care as the perfect vehicle to go with the nuclear option on if the GOP gains the Senate and later the WH.

That said if the bugs/costs (more subsidies/insurance company welfare) get worked out before 2017 we will never get shed of it. Four years is a long time for the ACA to get entrenched. Time is not on our side.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 2:53:09 AM EST
I didn't think of that. Apparently Congress gave the POTUS all the power when they passed 0bamacare.

Should be an easy win for any GOP candidate, just state you will completely ignore and not enforce 0bamacare. If that doesn't sway 5% of voters, nothing will.

Knowing the GOP, they'll fuck it up and also let the media paint them as responsible for 0bamacare.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 2:54:36 AM EST
If the next President is a Republican and he tries to ignore ObamaCare the left will file 10,000 lawsuits to force the administration to comply.

Who will file suit to force the current President to comply with the law?
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 3:10:58 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/21/2013 3:11:55 AM EST by pale_pony]
We have officially "stepped through the looking glass".

We'll have to see if the Mad Hatter and the March Hare still keep their heads.




Our founding fathers would have had the NSA breathing down their necks about now.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 3:23:45 AM EST
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Our founding fathers would have had the NSA breathing down their necks about now.
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Before the first shots were fired the Committees of Correspondence set up what amounted to their own postal system. That was done to prevent the British authorities from intercepting and reading the communications between the committees.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 3:24:16 AM EST
I don't see Hillary ignoring it.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 3:25:26 AM EST
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I don't see Hillary ignoring it.
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Link Posted: 12/21/2013 3:31:18 AM EST
Apparently POTUS can ignore any law now, and more and more make laws up through EO and rulemaking that ignores any input.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 3:39:01 AM EST
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I don't see Hillary ignoring it.
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Came here to post the same. I feel at times we are doomed.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 9:21:56 AM EST
"To contend that the obligation imposed on the president to see the laws faithfully executed implies a power to forbid their execution is a novel construction of the Constittution, and is entirely inadmissible" US Supreme Court, 1838
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 9:38:01 AM EST
If the President can ignore a law about health care, why can't he ignore a law about gun control?
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Link Posted: 12/21/2013 9:50:10 AM EST
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:07:11 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Feral:
Pretty much.

Obamacare is nothing more than a Band-Aid applied to a long broken healthcare system. Band-aids have been applied before and eventually the whole thing will come toppling down because of the weight of the "fixes." When that happens, the American people will suffer for it......and .gov will apply more Band-Aids. Success will be declared and YOU WILL BE HAPPY WITH IT. OK?
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Originally Posted By 1srelluc:

That said if the bugs/costs (more subsidies/insurance company welfare) get worked out before 2017 we will never get shed of it. Four years is a long time for the ACA to get entrenched. Time is not on our side.
Pretty much.

Obamacare is nothing more than a Band-Aid applied to a long broken healthcare system. Band-aids have been applied before and eventually the whole thing will come toppling down because of the weight of the "fixes." When that happens, the American people will suffer for it......and .gov will apply more Band-Aids. Success will be declared and YOU WILL BE HAPPY WITH IT. OK?


Stop fucking repeating that god damned lie.

Americans have the best health care in the fucking world.

Everyone who can comes to america for treatment.
best meds, best oncology, best pre natal. every fucking new invention and technique of medicine comes from the US.

That comes at a cost.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:11:03 AM EST
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Originally Posted By dsteelman:
In my dream world , we get a veto proof majority and repeal that shit while Hussein is still in office.

The look on that fuckheads face would be priceless.

Other than that, I would give it a shot if I was the Pres.

Id do a presser, tell everyone I signed an EO negating that horseshit law and dare any motherfucker to stop me. You know kinda like Hussein did.

Suck it bitches

Drop the mike and walk off
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Id like to add my address to your newsletter mailing list please
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:12:42 AM EST

Hillary will ram that through with the grace of a Killdozer.

Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:14:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:


Stop fucking repeating that god damned lie.

Americans have the best health care in the fucking world.

Everyone who can comes to america for treatment.
best meds, best oncology, best pre natal. every fucking new invention and technique of medicine comes from the US.

That comes at a cost.
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Originally Posted By Sylvan:
Originally Posted By Feral:
Originally Posted By 1srelluc:

That said if the bugs/costs (more subsidies/insurance company welfare) get worked out before 2017 we will never get shed of it. Four years is a long time for the ACA to get entrenched. Time is not on our side.
Pretty much.

Obamacare is nothing more than a Band-Aid applied to a long broken healthcare system. Band-aids have been applied before and eventually the whole thing will come toppling down because of the weight of the "fixes." When that happens, the American people will suffer for it......and .gov will apply more Band-Aids. Success will be declared and YOU WILL BE HAPPY WITH IT. OK?


Stop fucking repeating that god damned lie.

Americans have the best health care in the fucking world.

Everyone who can comes to america for treatment.
best meds, best oncology, best pre natal. every fucking new invention and technique of medicine comes from the US.

That comes at a cost.





This, our system was fine until the gov fucked it up like they do everything.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:15:08 AM EST
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Originally Posted By uafgrad:
You're assuming the next POTUS will give a shit
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He is assuming there will be a NEXT POTUS.


PFLOTUS wouldn't
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:16:34 AM EST
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Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
If the next President is a Republican and he tries to ignore ObamaCare the left will file 10,000 lawsuits to force the administration to comply.

Who will file suit to force the current President to comply with the law?
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I have not figured this out yet. Maybe I am too dumb to figure it out.

As I understand HHS and POTUS cannot "change laws" they may be able to "clarify" laws but changing dates, of implementation, coverage etc. is a change to the law Congress needs to do that.

Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:17:45 AM EST
I'm hoping they ignore filling up the EBT cards myself.
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:17:50 AM EST
[Last Edit: 12/21/2013 10:50:12 AM EST by Feral]
Link Posted: 12/21/2013 10:28:00 AM EST
It's not just the President. The senate is also complicent. Without both houses, the presidency is all but a monarchy
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