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I think I'll solve the problem by just calling it "Look in the fucking hole for the thing that goes boom"

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By WesDesRat:
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I think it came from doing it on 1911's (you move the slide back by pressing at the front of it). It's now universal, like Kleenex.

I've never heard someone call it a "brass check".

I'm amazed it took until page two.... And of all people, Subnet... to point this out.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By POLYTHENEPAM:
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But I sort of do, because words mean things.


Then you should express what is really happening.
The process involves checking the chamber for the presence of a cartridge.
Thus the action can only be accurately described as a chamber check or a cartridge check.
This nomenclature also avoids the critical problem of potential confusion resulting from cartridges with aluminum or steel cases.


Or, as I have already explained, use the "Best" term, Systems Check.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JofoShootin:
Originally Posted By wav3form:
Who gives a fuck really.

I don't really give a fuck. But I sort of do, because words mean things. The name "brass check" relays information about what in the hell we're actually doing. And just like the name "press check" has been passed around the cargo-culted, so has the actual check and the reason for it. Now, mainly, people do it because they see other people do it but many of them have no idea why they're supposed to do it. "Oh, I just press the slide back to make sure it's not binding and make sure the slide will cycle" or some other dumbass reason. In a world of acronyms and marketing bullshit, good, descriptive, self-explanatory names are hard to come by. So I hate to see one just tossed aside for no good reason. But other than that, I guess I really don't give a fuck.



No, if you're doing a press check and you know what one is, you're doing it for a reason. Plenty of people don't need the word brass in there to remind them.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 3:51:02 PM
Chamber check is the term that I use when dynamically rocking and driving my platform to the target.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 4:14:26 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JofoShootin:
It's called a "brass check", not a "press check". The name comes from looking into the breech to see brass to double-check that a round got chambered. I started hearing people call it "press check" and at first, I thought I was just hearing them wrong. Now I see people actually writing "press check" all over the place. The best I can figure out is that someone somewhere heard a shooter say "brass check" and thought they heard "press check". Well, tell me then, what in the hell do I "press" on an AR to do a brass check?

Yes, I realize the horse is out of the barn. It's now "press check" forever. But just know that whenever you use that term, people who know better will think less of you.



No, because in the dark, with no light, you are pressing to verify the state.

No brass involved.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
Chamber check is the term that I use when dynamically rocking and driving my platform to the target.


You are so fucking Kinetic.

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Posted: 11/27/2013 4:18:10 PM
Press check originated from pistols, when you press the slide rearward to visually inspect that a round was chambered.

It is used in rifle terminology for disambiguation.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Subnet:
Originally Posted By WesDesRat:

I'm amazed it took until page two.... And of all people, Subnet... to point this out.
When I'm not post whoring here, I do own and shoot quite a few firearms, you know.

I'm sorry, I can't take anyone who drives a Miata seriously....

I think OP was born after the Glock 17 was invented... so I can see why he might have no clue.
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Posted: 11/27/2013 11:22:26 PM
I think you're the only one that heard it wrong. It's a press check and it always has been.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JofoShootin:
Originally Posted By WayneD:
Originally Posted By TREETOP:
Pressing on the front of the slide opens the ejection port enough to see if a round is in there.


This is the correct answer.

So again...what do I "press" on an AR?



You de-press the charging handle/latch...

Always heard press check myself...
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mister-Z:
Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
Chamber check is the term that I use when dynamically rocking and driving my platform to the target.


You are so fucking Kinetic.




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Posted: 11/28/2013 12:56:57 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By feudist:
Jeff Cooper called it a press check



^this. put your thumb in the trigger guard and press the recoil spring plunger on your 1911.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 1:20:51 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By feudist:
Jeff Cooper called it a press check


The old man himself called it a press check, when most of the current ekspurts were still shitting thier pampers, and Disco was still new.

"Brass check" is some new term, thought up to appear as bieng original.
Sounds a bit queer as well...probably came from some hair gel wearing Metro nancy.




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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Originally Posted By feudist:
Jeff Cooper called it a press check

Way back in the 80's I believe...


I know Jeff called it a Press Check in 1986 and most today would say they way I was taught to do a Press Check on a 1911 is unsafe........

Back then a Press Check was done by place the tip of your thumb in the trigger guard and the tip of your index finger on the Recoil Spring Plug and squeeze......

This doesn't work with a full length guide rod.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JofoShootin:
Originally Posted By wav3form:
Who gives a fuck really.

I don't really give a fuck. But I sort of do, because words mean things. The name "brass check" relays information about what in the hell we're actually doing. And just like the name "press check" has been passed around the cargo-culted, so has the actual check and the reason for it. Now, mainly, people do it because they see other people do it but many of them have no idea why they're supposed to do it. "Oh, I just press the slide back to make sure it's not binding and make sure the slide will cycle" or some other dumbass reason. In a world of acronyms and marketing bullshit, good, descriptive, self-explanatory names are hard to come by. So I hate to see one just tossed aside for no good reason. But other than that, I guess I really don't give a fuck.



Well just because you see Brass when you check, how do you know it's a loaded cartridge, not one the failed to eject..........
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JofoShootin:
Originally Posted By WayneD:
Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Originally Posted By feudist:
Jeff Cooper called it a press check

Way back in the 80's I believe...


Possibly earlier.

Marines have been doing "brass checks" at least since the Vietnam war because I remember reading it in a memoir in high school. And Marines were still calling it "brass check" when I went through MCRD and in the fleet in the 90s. I have no idea when this "press check" took hold, maybe it was Cooper in the 80s. Don't know, don't really care. Call it what you want. But know that it makes you sound dumb to people who know better.



If LTC John Dean (Jeff) Cooper USMC (ret) called it a Press Check, I'll take that Marine over yours.............

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Ridgerunner9876:
Originally Posted By OKnativeson:
press check is a 1911 term that is now universal for all arms.



This.

Know how I know the OP doesn't shoot 1911?

The popularity of full length guide rods and the act of putting something inside the trigger guard without wanting to fire the gun has largely done away with the practice. But, a PRESS check is when you hook your left thumb on the trigger guard and PRESS the slide back with your index finger on the recoil spring cap.

Taylor and Cooper both taught this method.


And some people Freak da Fook out when you do it that way......

I was told it was wrong to do that way a few years back at Gunsite.......

I replied to the RO that JC, himself, taught me to do that.......
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Posted: 11/28/2013 1:50:37 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Originally Posted By feudist:
Jeff Cooper called it a press check

Way back in the 80's I believe...




Yes he did. I learned the technique as a "press check" when using a 1911. Ronnie was president then.

Never heard of a "brass check" until this thread.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By 23pistol23:
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No no no. You chamber a round, then drop the mag to see which side the top round is on.

Then you try to remember which side the top round is when only 29 are loaded.

Learned that from Magpul Dynamics.
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I thought a press check is what Haley does when he shoots from behind a car.

1) Pull CH back. Stick finger in and feel something.

2) Hit forward assist about 8.7 5.76 times.

3) Bounce up and down with rifle turned 87 90 degrees.

4) Shoot at a hole in cardboard, If you miss the hole you will be able to see your fuck up. Unless you miss the fuckup area too. Then you argue that it went in the hole.

5) ???

6) Profit


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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bama-Shooter:
It's been called a press check for as long as I can remember.

Brass Check? Never heard of her.
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we should do OP check.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 2:21:43 AM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JofoShootin:
Originally Posted By WayneD:
Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Originally Posted By feudist:
Jeff Cooper called it a press check

Way back in the 80's I believe...


Possibly earlier.

Marines have been doing "brass checks" at least since the Vietnam war because I remember reading it in a memoir in high school. And Marines were still calling it "brass check" when I went through MCRD and in the fleet in the 90s. I have no idea when this "press check" took hold, maybe it was Cooper in the 80s. Don't know, don't really care. Call it what you want. But know that it makes you sound dumb to people who know better.


Never, not in just under 9 years as an 0311 in the Corps (I extended) did I ever hear nor was I taught, any term or technique called a "Brass Check". Not at MCRD San Diego, not at Infantry Training School at Camp Pendleton, not while pulling Barracks Duty on Guam, not in Lima 3/9, not as Range Personnel at Range 214 at Camp Pendleton, and not with Kilo 3/1 13th MEU(SOC). Not EVER! And my NCO's and Senior NCO's had been in Vietnam. My Senior was a Nam Vet, my PMI was a Nam Vet, my Platoon Sgt. at ITS was a Nam Vet, etc. I graduated from Boot in November of 1985.

Many a time I heard "check the chamber" or "inspect the chamber" but never did I hear "brass check". There was not any formal or informal words or commands that corresponded to ensuring a round was chambered in an M-16.

The term "Press Check" has been in use for at least 30 years or more (probably much more, I did not really start reading Cooper until High School 81-85) and as someone stated above, it was the term used to describe the practice of ensuring a round was in the chamber of your 1911 (usually right before stepping in to harms way, or right before holstering and beginning ones forays into the world). As a Marine, whenever I was armed with a 1911 and the single time I had an M9, the chamber was empty. On Guam, where only four of our posts had pistols, the magazines were kept in the pouches and the gun was carried sans mag. I never "Press Checked" any handgun I carried as a Marine.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By whatarippa:
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Jeff Cooper called it a press check

Way back in the 80's I believe...





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Brass check? No brass no ammo Sgt! *braces to get hit under the pretense of it being for a un-expended ammo check*

Oh wait you mean check to see if I have a round in the chamber and my bolts all the way forward? PRESS CHECK
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By whatarippa:
Originally Posted By feudist:
Jeff Cooper called it a press check

Way back in the 80's I believe...





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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By 23pistol23:
No no no. You chamber a round, then drop the mag to see which side the top round is on.

Then you try to remember which side the top round is when only 29 are loaded.

Learned that from Magpul Dynamics.



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By 23pistol23:
No no no. You chamber a round, then drop the mag to see which side the top round is on.

Then you try to remember which side the top round is when only 29 are loaded.

Learned that from Magpul Dynamics.



I love you, man.

I didn't thing this thread could get any better.



Me, nether...
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By BusMaster007:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By 23pistol23:
No no no. You chamber a round, then drop the mag to see which side the top round is on.

Then you try to remember which side the top round is when only 29 are loaded.

Learned that from Magpul Dynamics.



I love you, man.

I didn't thing this thread could get any better.



Me, nether...



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By 23pistol23:
No no no. You chamber a round, then drop the mag to see which side the top round is on.

Then you try to remember which side the top round is when only 29 are loaded.

Learned that from Magpul Dynamics.



I love you, man.

I didn't thing this thread could get any better.


Never seen the guys with "29" written one one side and "30" on the other in sharpie? I've seen a bunch, cracks me up
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By BusMaster007:
Originally Posted By Bohr_Adam:
Originally Posted By 23pistol23:
No no no. You chamber a round, then drop the mag to see which side the top round is on.

Then you try to remember which side the top round is when only 29 are loaded.

Learned that from Magpul Dynamics.



I love you, man.

I didn't thing this thread could get any better.


Me, nether...



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OK, guilty.
In the meantime...PRESS CHECK is correct.



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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By NwG:
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Originally Posted By 23pistol23:
No no no. You chamber a round, then drop the mag to see which side the top round is on.

Then you try to remember which side the top round is when only 29 are loaded.

Learned that from Magpul Dynamics.



I love you, man.

I didn't thing this thread could get any better.


Never seen the guys with "29" written one one side and "30" on the other in sharpie? I've seen a bunch, cracks me up


I'd never heard of it until one of the infamous forward assist threads, where people were dismissing the whole idea of doing a press check on an AR, and offering that Rube Goldberg bullshit as the alternative.

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I believe you press check the muzzle break.

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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
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Originally Posted By Enlightenme556:
Chamber check is the term that I use when dynamically rocking and driving my platform to the target.


You are so fucking Kinetic.




Tactical as fuck.




I'm sort of disappointed. I figured you for operator as fuck.
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Its a perfectly cromulent term.
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[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By JofoShootin:
It's called a "brass check", not a "press check". The name comes from looking into the breech to see brass to double-check that a round got chambered. I started hearing people call it "press check" and at first, I thought I was just hearing them wrong. Now I see people actually writing "press check" all over the place. The best I can figure out is that someone somewhere heard a shooter say "brass check" and thought they heard "press check". Well, tell me then, what in the hell do I "press" on an AR to do a brass check?

Yes, I realize the horse is out of the barn. It's now "press check" forever. But just know that whenever you use that term, people who know better will think less of you.



I'm not sure how long you've been alive or how long you've been doing the gun thing, but as others have said Cooper, if he didn't invent the term was probably using it before you were born.

Brass check ? Nobody has ever heard of that

It's a chamber check and cooper did it as a "press check" on the 1911

Personally we teach "check condition of readiness" which is a chamber and magazine status check.
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I always referred to it when 'press checking' a 1911.
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Posted: 11/28/2013 1:56:49 PM
[Jump To Reply]Originally Posted By Mister-Z:
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Chamber check is the term that I use when dynamically rocking and driving my platform to the target.


You are so fucking Kinetic.




Tactical as fuck.




I'm sort of disappointed. I figured you for operator as fuck.
Tactical as fuck is so............. podunk.



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JMB says - everyone here is wrong...





Jeeze, I've never seen so much squabbling over simple thi... wait, nevermind
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I noticed the OP logged in today, but hasn't posted in this thread in a while...

Think he is embarrassed?
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Who gives a fuck really.

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It's always been a press check on a 1911 as far as I know. That's what my dad called it, and he was a marksmanship instructor at Ft. Benning, with both the Garand and the 1911 during the Korean War, and left there and was an FBI agent from the mid 50s until the mid 60s.

The other thing, is that he always did his from the rear on a 1911, and never under or over the slide in front of the trigger guard. The method he used, and was taught , was to place the hand on the rear of the slide with the thumb of your checking hand over the back of the thumb of your griping hand, or, on the beaver tail, with your check hand stopping behind the ejection port but mostly over the rear sight, and using the rear sight for leverage.

That way, you can't have your hand over the port or in front of the barrel under stress. All you do at that point is squeeze, and the slide will open the ejection port enough to see a round if one is in there, but it cannot go far enough back that it will eject the round, no matter how hard you do it, because you're only squeezing to open the slide, and that limits it's movement.

You can't mess it up that way.

For a Garand, or M14, or anything like that, I couldn't tell you what he called it. It never came up, other than " Check to see if it's loaded, " and you just pulled back a bit on the bolt handle to see the brass.
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